Effeminate Men

[beatgeek]

Been thinking about this recently...

What do you think about married men who stay home to take care of the kids while their wives work?

What do you think about men who follow "feminine" career paths, like being a nurse, a seamstress, or a preschool teacher?

Are gender roles limiting, or are they a necessary thread of the fabric of society?

What do you think of men who are sensitive, compassionate, and not very aggressive? How about women who are ambitious, independent, and less in touch with emotions?

Do you think gender identity is determined by biology, environment, or both?

[Alexis]

Originally posted by beatgeek

How about women who are ambitious, independent, and less in touch with emotions?

Do you think gender identity is determined by biology, environment, or both?

I put myself in the ambitious, independant, and clueless on emotions category, and I believe it has a lot to do with both biology AND enviornment. It's in both my nature and the way that I was brought up. I know people who are other good examples of this as well.

:not agaaain:

[Gizmo]

eh. People should just be themselves. :gotme:

[tigermomma]

I was actually just talking to my friend about this last night.

In the 70's a set of male twins was born in Canada (I think). During circumcision there was an accident with one of the boys. The parents decided to change "he" into a "she" so the child could have a somewhat normal life instead of having "inadequate" equipment.

Growing up the child had identity issues. Playing with boys, liking boy toys, having crushes on girls. Yet "she" was raised strictly as a female. At 18 she became suicidal and her parents told her everything that had happened. Crystal clarity ensued and she got another sex change back to her "true" self.

Bad thing was the psychiatrist that headed her case printed hundreds of magazine articles and was heralded as causing a turning point in the nature v. nurture debate. He lied. The bastid.

Anyway, when I had my daughter (my son was first) she NATURALLY gravitated towards the girl toys. She had no interaction with other kids her age besides Kevin, and most of the toys I had for her were his old ones. Yet, she still preferred the feminine toys.

What makes us true women and men is completely nature. What makes us strong, weak, nice, mean....effeminate, masculine...those things are given to us from the nurture aspect of it and the environment in which we are raised.

Just my opinion though.

[DNAgirl]

I think you should do whatever fits. Meaning if you are a male and want to be a nurse you should go for it.

On the other hand, if he wanted to stay home with the kids for the first couple years I'd probably be pissed because that would be what I'd want to do. But thats just me, plus I wouldn't be able to feed the family with my pay ever.

But, I think it all depends on the situation.

[Article One]

Originally posted by beatgeek
Been thinking about this recently...

What do you think about married men who stay home to take care of the kids while their wives work?

dude, if i met and fell in love with a woman who said, "i make MORE than enough for our family to live very comfortably. stay home and watch the kids and the house."

you bet your ass id do it. why the hell not? youd get to spend alot of time with your children. being a house dad would be cool. i mean really, who wants to WORK?????

[tigermomma]

From experience,

Being a stay at home parent is a million times more difficult then working. When I started saying I had to go "potty" when I was with my adult friends...uhm...yeah.

My credo is now "quality time" vs "quantity time"

But I may be in the minority in my opinion on this.

You know how they say that if you always spend time with a S.O. that the relationship will feel cramped? Thats the way your relationship with your children is as well.

[judson]

there are a whole lot of questions here, but i just address one. i think gender roles are extremely limiting and cause people to conform without identifying who they are and what they are really about. [that's a long sentence]. gender roles also stifle individuality and the open exchange of ideas.

out,
judson

[Article One]

"So what do you do Greg?"

"Im a nurse."

[laughter].."Thats a good one...haha...no seriously...what do u do?"

"...I'm...a nurse."

[DNAgirl]

Is that from Scrubs?

[velvetgoldmire]

Meet the Parents

[Ragin Bajin]

Originally posted by DNAgirl
Is that from Scrubs?

Nope, it's from Meet the Parents with Ben Stiller and Robert Deniro..

[El Magnifico]

Originally posted by Article One



dude, if i met and fell in love with a woman who said, "i make MORE than enough for our family to live very comfortably. stay home and watch the kids and the house."

you bet your ass id do it. why the hell not? youd get to spend alot of time with your children. being a house dad would be cool. i mean really, who wants to WORK?????

:werd: Though, raising kids is hard work, it would definitely be more rewarding than working for "the man."

[uberclkgtr]

what does gender role-defined work have to do with being effeminate? further, how is "sensitive, compassionate, and not very aggressive" effeminate? poor choice of wording i think. :shrug:

[Steel Magnolia]

Originally posted by Article One



dude, if i met and fell in love with a woman who said, "i make MORE than enough for our family to live very comfortably. stay home and watch the kids and the house."

you bet your ass id do it. why the hell not? youd get to spend alot of time with your children. being a house dad would be cool. i mean really, who wants to WORK?????

Raising children and taking care of a house isn't work? I'll take you on any day. I don't get an hour lunch break, no 15 minute breaks. I pee with a baby crawling all over me. It's 24/7, no vacations, no sick days. I love my baby more than anything, but don't be fooled, it's real work. Hopefully she will be a genius and world class dancer and I can take the credit. :raveon: