Shampoo/Conditioner Thread

[sassypance]

Right now I'm using Jonathan Volumizing Shampoo and Conditioner and I love it but as with all shampoo's and conditioner's you have to rotate them and I'm looking for something comparable. I'm considering going back to Redken, but would like to try something new, any suggestions ladies?

[ChildoftheBeat]

Frederick Fekkai is the absolute most amazing I've ever used ( I like his "Technician" stuff), but its some serious $$$ for shampoo.

Have you tried any of the other Jonathan products? I have Dirt and although its not bad I was expecting much better. I need a new pomade/wax product and new hairspray if anyone wants to throw those suggestions into the mix.

[sassypance]

http://a1377.g.akamai.net/7/1377/8278/20061012202722/www.sephora.com/assets/dyn/product/P159003/P159003_hero.jpg

Create Weightless Smooth No-Frizz Hydrating Balm
What it is:
A smoothing, hydrating, frizz-taming styling balm.

What it is formulated to do:
This lightweight styling treatment hydrates, controls frizz, and smoothes and softens even the driest hair. It shields the hair from environmental damage and color fading, improves manageability, adds shine, and smoothes damaged hair cuticle (the hair's outer-most layer).

What else you need to know:
This product is 100 percent vegan, contains no animal, wheat gluten, or gluten-derived ingredients. Silky dirt is also free of mineral oil, synthetic colors, and DEA.

I have this and I like it very much.

I've been meaning to try Frederick Fekkai's line. It's probably comparable in price to Jonathan products.

[ChildoftheBeat]

Hm that looks interesting... does it also help hair get piece-y?

[badkitty3804]

lol - on the cheap - Garnier Sleek and Smooth

[housecat]

lol - on the cheap - Garnier Sleek and Smooth
I use this stuff too and love it. Smells good too. I'm a CVS whore. I splurge on actual hair product more than shampoo's/conditioner's.

[Killary]

http://images.ciao.com/iuk/images/products/normal/955/product-6561955.jpg

Sebastian has an obscure line called "Body Double". I have the shampoo, conditioner and mousse, called 'Thickify Styler'. The smell reminds me of an Armani cologne, but it's feminine, and I adore it.

I doubt it's meant to protect color-treated hair, but I haven't found it to be especially damaging to my color.

[sassypance]

Hm that looks interesting... does it also help hair get piece-y?

No it's more of a smoothing balm. Depending on whether or not I'm straightening my hair I go between that and the CHI Silk Infusion.

[FutonBunny]

My favorite that I've ever used was bumble and bumble's thickening shampoo. I loved the way my hair felt and looked when I used it. I can't cope with the $30 a bottle price tag though :sadblue: (and that's for the small bottles)

[slim pickinz]

help yourself to the mane and tail, but hands off the verticoli

[sassypance]

help yourself to the mane and tail, but hands off the verticoli

Isn't Mane and Tail Horse Shampoo?

Thanks to Google I've found out that it is. Ew.

[Don Miguel Lush]

hey guys, what's going on here?




/waves dreads around

[Killary]

My favorite that I've ever used was bumble and bumble's thickening shampoo. I loved the way my hair felt and looked when I used it. I can't cope with the $30 a bottle price tag though :sadblue: (and that's for the small bottles)

B&B is definitely fabulous, but definitely expensive as hell. I was once talked into a 40$ tin of styling goo by a stylist, and I had to start mixing the goo with other goo once I got down to the last half ounce. Mmm, hair crack.

[Killary]

hey guys, what's going on here?




/waves dreads around

Keep waving them, Mr. Lush. Just don't ever have a sleep-over at my place, or you'll wake up to me wearing them as a wig. :yummy:

[FutonBunny]

B&B is definitely fabulous, but definitely expensive as hell. I was once talked into a 40$ tin of styling goo by a stylist, and I had to start mixing the goo with other goo once I got down to the last half ounce. Mmm, hair crack.

My boyfriend used my shampoo once. He got a lecture.

[ChildoftheBeat]

My boyfriend used my shampoo once. He got a lecture.
Lol yes. I enacted a strict "no touchy" policy on my Fekkai.


B&B has this product calles "Brilliantine" that I absolutely ADORE. I'd buy it by the case if I could.

[shade]

i started using some of that new stuff now that's body wash and shampoo and conditioner all in one. i dont even think they bother to market it to women.. there are a few men's versions though.

jury's still out on this one i think. it's not bad though.

[AmandaHuie]

i started using some of that new stuff now that's body wash and shampoo and conditioner all in one. i dont even think they bother to market it to women.. there are a few men's versions though.

jury's still out on this one i think. it's not bad though.

not good. nothing that is a shampoo and conditioner is any good unless you also use a seperate conditioner.

[Don Miguel Lush]

Keep waving them, Mr. Lush. Just don't ever have a sleep-over at my place, or you'll wake up to me wearing them as a wig. :yummy:
damn........

sassy.

I'll make sure i wear a helmet next time i see you



:ohnoes:

[shade]

not good. nothing that is a shampoo and conditioner is any good unless you also use a seperate conditioner.

yeah thats the part that's lacking.. the conditioning. otherwise it seems okay.

[Hitoi]

Man, these threads always make me feel less like a woman. I buy whatever is under $6 and has a cute bottle and catchy name ("None Of Your Frizzness, you say? I'll take it!")

But it's got me thinking: this is our hair we're talking about here. Why wouldn't I spend a little more money to buy a more quality product? I guess I always figured shampoo is shampoo is shampoo.


I'm going to take notes and buy a salon-quality shampoo/conditioner this week. It sounds like it works wonders for some of you ladies.

[AmandaHuie]

in most ways a shampoo is a shampoo is a shampoo, etc.

quality conditioner is what really matters. (and hair treatment products)

[EmmaK]

Great thread, I've been searching for a shampoo and conditioner that I'll actually be happy with.

Since I've been really happy with mop's styling products, yesterday I picked up a bottle of their conditioner from the "glisten" line (http://www.bathandbodyworks.com/sm-mop-glisten-conditioner-12-50--pi-2366355.html). I'll report back with my results after several days' of use :wink:


(fyi, MOP = modern organic products)

[Hitoi]

in most ways a shampoo is a shampoo is a shampoo, etc.

quality conditioner is what really matters. (and hair treatment products)

Good to know.

I've been annoyingly frugal with my beauty/health products since moving. Maybe I can avoid some of the sticker shock by keeping my "cute bottle" shampoo and investing in a good conditioner instead.

[Funshine]

Is panteen pro-v a decent conditioner?

I dunno. I just use the massive bottles of shampoo and conditioner that Costco sells.

[EmmaK]

in most ways a shampoo is a shampoo is a shampoo, etc.

quality conditioner is what really matters. (and hair treatment products)
:werd: When my conditioner sucks, so does my hair.


Also recently bought some Frederic Fekkai Apple Cider Clarifying Shampoo, to use maybe once a week. Haven't used it yet, but several years ago (~5?) I used his Apple Cider Clearing Rinse, and remember being pleased. At bare minimum, it smells good ;)

[Killary]

But it's got me thinking: this is our hair we're talking about here. Why wouldn't I spend a little more money to buy a more quality product? I guess I always figured shampoo is shampoo is shampoo.

Once you bring yourself to accept spending the extra money, you'll see where it goes.

Before I started working in a salon, I really didn't care. Then I got to sample all the stuff that I had deemed unecessary, and I went to a few classes that taught me a lot about caring for your hair with quality vs. cheapness. Now I preach about biting the bullet and spending your money on a product that's going to be worthwhile in the long run.

Let us know what you decide to try.

:step down from box:

[EmmaK]

Wait, so you have great salon-ready hair but you wear wigs? Craziness.

[AmandaHuie]

another thing I have found about the expensive conditioners I use is that I use less. when i use a store brand conditioner i tend to put on a whole hand full, they have a lot more water in them.

or maybe that is just me justifying my spending.

[Killary]

Is panteen pro-v a decent conditioner?

I dunno. I just use the massive bottles of shampoo and conditioner that Costco sells.

:no:

Pantene's shampoo strips your hair of its oils, and the conditioner contains wax that is supposed to give the illusion of a lustrous shine. But that conditioner interferes with your scalp's natural ability to replace its own oil, and eventually you could be dealing with harsh over-drying or oily build-up that leads to dandruff.

I hate Pantene. I want it to die.

[slim pickinz]

Isn't Mane and Tail Horse Shampoo?

Thanks to Google I've found out that it is. Ew.
it is, and that was a line from blades of glory. i thought it was funnier than anyone else, and i'm ok with that.

[Killary]

Wait, so you have great salon-ready hair but you wear wigs? Craziness.

That's just because of my hair length not working with my costumes.

And my laziness...

[Funshine]

:no:

Pantene's shampoo strips your hair of its oils, and the conditioner contains wax that is supposed to give the illusion of a lustrous shine. But that conditioner interferes with your scalp's natural ability to replace its own oil, and eventually you could be dealing with harsh over-drying or oily build-up that leads to dandruff.

I hate Pantene. I want it to die.
Hmmm, well, I've been using it since middle school with no issues of harsh over-drying or oily build-up yet. When my hair is oily, it's because I haven't washed it, lol. Anyways, yeah, I've heard it wasn't the best to use on my hair.

Whee. Guess it's time I got some new hair care product.

[EmmaK]

Hmmm, well, I've been using it since middle school with no issues of harsh over-drying or oily build-up yet. When my hair is oily, it's because I haven't washed it, lol. Anyways, yeah, I've heard it wasn't the best to use on my hair.

Whee. Guess it's time I got some new hair care product.
I've heard bat things about it too, but when I use it occasionally, it doesn't cause problems for me. I do think it fucked with my hair when my hair was really unhealthy late-spring/early-summer, but that's b/c I was using it a lot more. I also do not like John Frieda Brilliant Brunette Conditioner; you might as well just skip conditioner for all it's worth, and if it dries on your shower walls, it's a pain in the ass to scrub off.

But anyway, if you can spring for something that's a bit more money, I'd say it's worth it.

[Killary]

Hmmm, well, I've been using it since middle school with no issues of harsh over-drying or oily build-up yet. When my hair is oily, it's because I haven't washed it, lol. Anyways, yeah, I've heard it wasn't the best to use on my hair.

Whee. Guess it's time I got some new hair care product.

You must have the same hair chemistry as those women who would refuse my recommendations. "I've been using Pantene for years, I don't need to switch." And I would reply, "well, your hair's pH must be so accustomed to being out of balance that it decided to adapt." And they would scoff at me and flip their hair, lol.

Hey, some people swear by it. :shrug:

[EmmaK]

Being lectured at a salon is one of the most annoying and uncomfortable experiences, that may contribute to the scoff & flip. There are always ways to gently guide people's decisions without putting them in the line of fire. Hence why I will never return to one particular salon in Canton.

[Funshine]

You must have the same hair chemistry as those women who would refuse my recommendations. "I've been using Pantene for years, I don't need to switch." And I would reply, "well, your hair's pH must be so accustomed to being out of balance that it decided to adapt." And they would scoff at me and flip their hair, lol.

Hey, some people swear by it. :shrug:
Yeah, I think I must have just gotten lucky to have been able to use pantene for so many years with no issues. I'll still scoff and flip my hair if you want me too, but I think I'll go out shampoo shopping this weekend for something else.

[housecat]

One shampoo/conditioner that I don't like is Paul Mitchell stuff. I have the kind of shampoo for colored hair at home. It smells great but it never seems to lather. WTF. I do like Paul Mitchell's hair products tho. When I had really short spikey hair I lived by Bed Head/Paul Mitchell products to get that spikey effect.

Bumble and Bumble Conditioners are by far the best I've used. I'd never buy it myself tho.

[EmmaK]

Your hair might not be wet enough if the shampoo won't lather :shrug:

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

i use this stuff

http://www.thisnext.com/media/230x230/garnier-fructis-fortifying_7A3D4B70-value-yellow.jpg



i go cheap when it comes to shampoo/conditioner

[EmmaK]

Isn't Mane and Tail Horse Shampoo?

Thanks to Google I've found out that it is. Ew.
For a while that stuff was in magazine chatter non-stop. That still did not sell me on it.

[housecat]

Your hair might not be wet enough if the shampoo won't lather :shrug:
I thought that too but that wasn't the case. It's the only brand that won't lather much with my hair.

[Killary]

Being lectured at a salon is one of the most annoying and uncomfortable experiences, that may contribute to the scoff & flip. There are always ways to gently guide people's decisions without putting them in the line of fire. Hence why I will never return to one particular salon in Canton.

It's true, I've experienced it firsthand. However, I ran the salon, I was not a stylist. Most stylists will push and push because they earn commission on the products they sell and they are assigned a quota for the week. I didn't make any money, I was just suggesting the right products for their hair type.

Trust me, the same women who would scoff and flip were the anti-tippers (the kind that not only do not tip, but find reasons to get a discounted price for their service).

If you got badgered, I suspect your stylist was a greedy hair-nazi, and I recommend people stay clear of those.

[FutonBunny]

btw, how do you all feel about Treseme (or however you spell it). I've tried it and it's ok for those days when I'm just pulling my hair back in a pony tail. Does it do damage like Pantene?

[EmmaK]

Trust me, the same women who would scoff and flip were the anti-tippers (the kind that not only do not tip, but find reasons to get a discounted price for their service)
That is fucked up. If you cannot afford to do a 20-25% tip, you cannot afford that salon.
(Even more annoying/rude when people can afford to do it, and choose not to.)

[MandyPants]

btw, how do you all feel about Treseme (or however you spell it). I've tried it and it's ok for those days when I'm just pulling my hair back in a pony tail. Does it do damage like Pantene?

I just started using Treseme too and, even those its a cheap shampoo, I've been really impressed with it. Is there anything negative about it??

[Killary]

btw, how do you all feel about Treseme (or however you spell it). I've tried it and it's ok for those days when I'm just pulling my hair back in a pony tail. Does it do damage like Pantene?

Tresemme is not as taboo as Pantene, but it's not considered an overall quality line. I've gotten different opinions over time. Some products were okay, some were made cheaply, one stylist loved the hairspray but hated the shampoo, another hated the hairspray but loved the gel, etc etc.

I don't think the ingredients are as good as those that you would find in a more expensive brand. However, for the price, it's a step up IMO.

(Personally, I dig the pomade. But that's about it.)

[Killary]

That is fucked up. If you cannot afford to do a 20-25% tip, you cannot afford that salon.
(Even more annoying/rude when people can afford to do it, and choose not to.)

It's true. And it is definitely one thing that'll make your stylist give a fuck less about you when you come back to them.

I can't count how many times I'd see a woman wearing Gucci shades and Tiffany jewelry leave a 5$ tip on a 200$ service.

[xgirl]

Being lectured at a salon is one of the most annoying and uncomfortable experiences, that may contribute to the scoff & flip. There are always ways to gently guide people's decisions without putting them in the line of fire. Hence why I will never return to one particular salon in Canton.

i HATE HATE HATE this. since i've moved out here i've gone 2 different places - i don't want to hear that you think the last person did a horrible job and you would have never done it that way. i often wonder if they actually mean that or if they are just doing it to tear you down so you feel 1000% better when they not only make you look better but shower you in compliments when you leave.

ugh.

i find that no matter what i use, i need to switch it up every now and then. i've been using bumble & bumble for warm brunettes, KMS california flat out shampoo, and some random products that a salon out here makes. i definitely need to change a fair amount to make my hair look and feel better.

[JuliaP]

Now you tell me.. I learned the hard way away back that PANTENE SUXXXXXXX

[Killary]

i HATE HATE HATE this. since i've moved out here i've gone 2 different places - i don't want to hear that you think the last person did a horrible job and you would have never done it that way. i often wonder if they actually mean that or if they are just doing it to tear you down so you feel 1000% better when they not only make you look better but shower you in compliments when you leave..

Some stylists are being sincere, but for the most part, that talk is indeed BS. We had a workshop for our stylists that encouraged them to use sales-person-esque tactics (I disapproved of the corporate-ness and eventually lost my job, LOLZ). It's effective to tell someone that their current hairdo is a spoof of quality when you didn't do it and get to remake it. Then you do it differently and pat yourself on the back out loud. Sadly, it's brilliant marketing and a lot of gals get suckered into becoming regulars when they hear that crap.


i find that no matter what i use, i need to switch it up every now and then. i've been using bumble & bumble for warm brunettes, KMS california flat out shampoo, and some random products that a salon out here makes. i definitely need to change a fair amount to make my hair look and feel better.

Technically, you are supposed to switch up your shampoo/conditioner as often as your toothbrush. Your hair can and will acclimate to the products you are using, lessening their effectiveness. So keep on keeping on!

[ChicoMDK]

I just use a bar of soap on this mop i call my hair

[Killary]

I just use a bar of soap on this mop i call my hair

Bad Chico! Bad! :spankdajunkie:

[FutonBunny]

Tresemme is not as taboo as Pantene, but it's not considered an overall quality line. I've gotten different opinions over time. Some products were okay, some were made cheaply, one stylist loved the hairspray but hated the shampoo, another hated the hairspray but loved the gel, etc etc.

I don't think the ingredients are as good as those that you would find in a more expensive brand. However, for the price, it's a step up IMO.

(Personally, I dig the pomade. But that's about it.)

shampoo that's not quality I can deal with. I have the shampoo and conditioner for days when It's really not worth putting effort into my hair. As for days I do feel like it I've been using Marc Antony instantly Thick Shampoo

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21AQSHT9J3L._SS500_.jpg

It's ok, I'm not so in love with it. I think my favorite mid-priced Shampoo/Conditioner is probably Catwalk's Sexed-Up

http://www.haircareusa.com/images/tigi/tigi_catwalk_sexed_up_shampoo.jpg

It smells great, it's relatively thick and creamy and I've noticed that it does help boost my roots a little.

[Killary]

I think my favorite mid-priced Shampoo/Conditioner is probably Catwalk's Sexed-Up

http://www.haircareusa.com/images/tigi/tigi_catwalk_sexed_up_shampoo.jpg

It smells great, it's relatively thick and creamy and I've noticed that it does help boost my roots a little.

Oh lawd, when my salon sold CW stuff I was all over it. Then we had to clear it out and I died a little. I can't remember the name of the hairspray that I love, but I used like 4 pounds of it in a week. Mmmm. :yummy:

[mouse]

I use Sunsilk's Smooth something or other. It's the one in the light purple bottle. Im running out of conditioner though and that's Herbal Essences

[ChicoMDK]

Bad Chico! Bad! :spankdajunkie:


what ? :shrug:

[sassypance]

it is, and that was a line from blades of glory. i thought it was funnier than anyone else, and i'm ok with that.

I have yet to see Blades of Glory. It just came on OnDemand though so I'll be ordering it this week.

[Alexis]

I use Biolage Smooth therapie products right now and they're great. Once a week I do a frederic fekkai protein rx hair mask treatment and it makes my hair all shiny.

The Biolage proucts are the only ones that really help reduce the frizz. I still can't wash and wear my hair but the difference is noticeable.

[FutonBunny]

Oh lawd, when my salon sold CW stuff I was all over it. Then we had to clear it out and I died a little. I can't remember the name of the hairspray that I love, but I used like 4 pounds of it in a week. Mmmm. :yummy:

They sell it at CVS for like 10 bucks now.

[uberclkgtr]

I just switched to Pantene for both 'poo and conditioner, and I don't like it, though it's a slight improvement over the the Freida Brunette crap I was using before.

I really liked American Crew conditioner I used a while back, but it's so expensive.

[MandyPants]

What's the best shampoo and conditioner out there that's reasonably priced?? The last salon 'poo/conditioner I purchased was Bumble and Bumble and I wasn't super impressed with it.

[goodgrrl27]

I switch up between Big Sexy Hair by Sexy Hair and All Soft by Redken. I like both a lot, but the All Soft stuff makes my hair feel wonderful! The Big Sexy hair stuff has a stupid name, but I do have to admit that it does give my hair a lot of volume.

[EmmaK]

I forgot, there's another product that I love. It's the best leave-in conditioner/detangler ever. Not that I've actually tried others, but it's amazing. If possible, have your stylist use it on you to see if you like it, then buy it online. I paid like $18 for it at Bang, but it's online for much less...hmph. O_o

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/317KX3XHHFL._SS500_.jpg

[FutonBunny]

I actually used infusium 23 for years in my hair as a leave in conditioner. It worked gloriously, I should start using it again.

[Hitoi]

Sweet, more questions.

I noticed CVS carries a few different brands of salon products but on the bottle it usually says something like "ONLY sold in salons." But they all look like the real deal. Can I just buy from there?

I bought a Matrix straightening spray to use before I flat iron my hair. I noticed it leaves a slightly "tacky" feel to my hair after applying, instead of like a conditioned feel. Is this normal? I thought maybe it was necessary to protect the hair when flat ironing but I'm not too sure...

[sassypance]

I don't care for Matrix or Paul Mitchell. Stay away from their products!
*edit: The only Matrix product I've ever liked was Biolage, so that gets a reprieve.

[Jill]

I suck at being a girl when it comes to hair. I own one can of hairspray that I've probably had for several years, and I buy whatever shampoo/conditioner is on sale or is a store brand. As long as it cleans and detangles, it works for me.

I must have been absent the day they taught all this stuff in school.

[housecat]

I don't know if it's already been said but I steal my mom's KMS stuff when I see her. I think it's called KMS. Their hair products are great if you got frizzies. I used to use this thing called Flat Out.

[FutonBunny]

I don't care for Matrix or Paul Mitchell. Stay away from their products!
*edit: The only Matrix product I've ever liked was Biolage, so that gets a reprieve.

I always liked the Matrix Volumize shampoo :shrug:

[Hitoi]

I just spent 50 buckolas on Matrix stuff last night...bah.

I didn't recognize any of the brands so I panicked and went with the Matrix sleek.look line because well, to be honest...Matrix is a dnb producer and it just felt comforting.

I will say that I definitely noticed a difference in the way my hair felt after using the shampoo and conditioner. I'm just undecided about the straightening spray.

[sassypance]

That's just my personal opinion. If it works for you that's great. I just didn't care for it. :shrug:

[housecat]

I think different hair types work with different products no? So not every product will work well with everyone.

God damn I'm smart.

[Hitoi]

I think I could've gotten any product and it would've made an immediate difference, mainly because my hair's just relieved that I used anything but the stuff I'm using now (which I've been using nonstop for, oh, 6-7 months.)

[sassypance]

I switch shampoo and conditioner about once a week just to get any build up off my hair. I should be using a Clarifying shampoo though.

[housecat]

Is there any brand that works well for colored hair or are they all pretty much the same? I currently have a Paul Mitchell Color Protectant shampoo but am not happy w/it. I usually go drug store with shampoo's and spend more on conditioners.

[EmmaK]

I switch shampoo and conditioner about once a week just to get any build up off my hair. I should be using a Clarifying shampoo though.
I really liked my new Apple Cider Fekkai stuff, which I used last night.

[juicyjay]

i use this stuff

http://www.thisnext.com/media/230x230/garnier-fructis-fortifying_7A3D4B70-value-yellow.jpg



i go cheap when it comes to shampoo/conditioner

i use this too

however for leave in conditioner i use potion 9

[FutonBunny]

I just spent 50 buckolas on Matrix stuff last night...bah.

I didn't recognize any of the brands so I panicked and went with the Matrix sleek.look line because well, to be honest...Matrix is a dnb producer and it just felt comforting.

I will say that I definitely noticed a difference in the way my hair felt after using the shampoo and conditioner. I'm just undecided about the straightening spray.

I used to use that stuff, it was a bad idea for me since I have stick straight hair. The way my stylist explained it to me (since I told her this crap I bought wasn't working) is that it has a product in it that builds up on your hair to relax it. Her daughter (who had uber curly hair) used it and loved it.

[xgirl]

I don't know if it's already been said but I steal my mom's KMS stuff when I see her. I think it's called KMS. Their hair products are great if you got frizzies. I used to use this thing called Flat Out.

that is what i recommend as well. they are currently having a special at ULTA where you get the shampoo and then the anti-frizz gel for $19.95. they are typically $15 each.

[punkasschikadee]

im a big fan of

www.sexyhair.com

products

the soy milk very healthy hair is my fav.. I love the way it makes my hair look and smell

though I havent been able to bring myself to spend the $$ on it as of late.. if you dont get it on sale its $20 (per shampoo and conditioner) they sometimes have deals though, both for $20

i also use their frizz eliminator, which seems to work great - I havent been using it now that im on pantene because it makes my hair too oily with the combo - but i think I remember someone mentioning earlier about pantene having a problem doing that to your hair.. time to switch!