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sassypance
2007-08-20, 03:49 PM
Has anyone read this??
I'm considering reading it, but I have some qualms with finding out information that I could do without. It's pretty blatant and I was told there is a whole chapter on bowel movements alone... yyyyyeah....
Here's an overview if you haven't heard of it:
I have read many books since going vegetarian, then vegan, so I know much of the stuff in this book about the hormones and antibiotics and carcinogens in meat, dairy, and eggs, not to mention the treatment of the animals. I am all too aware that the government just doesn't give a sh*t about your health (in the words of the authors), and that the inmates are running the asylum when it comes to the USDA. I have read many of the books they recommend and use as sources. But I have never read a book that talks to you like an old friend to whom you can say almost anything and who can say just about anything to you.
Yes, they can be vulgar, and if you're offended by certain words, you maybe should find an alternative book. But this book will kick you in the butt about what you eat and the brainwashing of the meat industry, the dairy industry, the egg industry.
I want to know more about what's really in our food, but then I track back to being blissfully ignorant. Once I read it, that blissful ignorance is out the door. I'm interested in this subject now after taking my Tech & Society class and writing so many papers on the globalization of agriculture and GMOs and such. The thing is, I am a huge fan of red meat. I've sworn off bacon/pork/ribs after seeing the South Korean protest pictures and I really do not want to be turned off of red meat by vividly explicit descriptions of slaughterhouses and the like. I want to know what's going on, but I don't. WTS. I know I don't want to be a Vegan, it's not my thing. I am carnivore and I will be a very unhappy girl if I can't eat red meat after reading this *IF* I decide to read this. Also from what I see on Amazon it's more of a diet book and I'm not interested in that aspect.
Obviously, the jury's still out. Thoughts or suggestions on similar but probably better books?
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 03:58 PM
The thing is, I am a huge fan of red meat. I've sworn off bacon/pork/ribs after seeing the South Korean protest pictures
ok, im sorry but thats a pretty stupid/irrelevant reason to stop eating pork...that south korean protest picture had nothing to do with pigs/slaughterhouses/quality of meat/hormones in meat/humane treatment of pigs/intelligence of pigs/vegetarianism/veganism etc. etc. etc. (all of which are at least in my opinion viable reasons to stop eating pork) ... the fact that a group of persons used one maliciously in a protest completely unrelated to nething regarding eating meat/pork just doesnt logically lead to a decision to then stop eating pork ... at least not any logic that i can fathom
Alexis
2007-08-20, 04:01 PM
"The Meat You Eat" is supposed to be good.
"The Omnivores Dilemma" and "Fat Land" are both recommended reading.
I like these kinds of books too. I don't think you are going to find any books in this vein that will present the facts to you in a way that won't make you swear off steak.
Zodiac*Blue
2007-08-20, 04:03 PM
Read it! Ignorance is just temporary bliss.
Then, be prepared to buy all organic food.
I may have to check this book out.
Other books I've read of the sort:
1) The Cure for All Diseases by Hulda Regehr Clark, Ph.D.,N.D.
-More of a problem/treatment book with alot of her patient's case historys. Set up as a sort of reference for many homeopathic/herbal remedies and other alternative treatments.
2) Natural Cures "They don't want you to know about" by Kevin Trudeau
-This guy isn't as knowledgable as Dr. Clark but he has a very good perspective on the effects of capitalism with regard to the Phamaceutical and Food industries. This is an good beginner read to get you interested in body input awareness. He seems to repeat himself alot in the book which is kind of annoying IMO.
Precious12
2007-08-20, 04:05 PM
then maybe you shouldn't read the book then...? :shrug:
you should always know what you're putting in your body regardless of how unpleasant the information is.
Alexis
2007-08-20, 04:09 PM
Then, be prepared to buy all organic food.
If you do end up going "organic" you should check out the local farmers markets. Yes, you have to get up a little earlier on Saturday to go but you would be supporting local farmers and buying organic. Most farmers markets are open into fall so you still have time!
EmmaK
2007-08-20, 04:17 PM
Thoughts or suggestions on similar but probably better books?
Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know About (Kevin Trudeau)
I'm not vouching for everything in the book, but it would be worth a read.
I've started it; came recommended by my father (a physician).
Tallgirl502
2007-08-20, 04:19 PM
I actually have it and started reading it. It's pretty graphic with the "what happens to animals" discussion and there's a lot of language ( :freakout: F-bomb oh nooooes!)...
On the - side: it's very much a diet book.
On the + side: it's very short and won't take you long to read.
zartan
2007-08-20, 04:38 PM
the fact that a group of persons used one maliciously in a protest completely unrelated to nething regarding eating meat/pork just doesnt logically lead to a decision to then stop eating pork .
it can trigger a line of thinking about the nature of what we do to pigs completely legitimately. i stopped eating meat after i saw someone club a rabbit to death.
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 04:42 PM
it can trigger a line of thinking about the nature of what we do to pigs completely legitimately. i stopped eating meat after i saw someone club a rabbit to death.
:elad: i just dont see it...to me its like stating "omg i ate a rotten apple one day and it made me sick so now im never going to eat oranges"
there is no logical connection...at least not in my head
sassypance
2007-08-20, 04:46 PM
ok, im sorry but thats a pretty stupid/irrelevant reason to stop eating pork...that south korean protest picture had nothing to do with pigs/slaughterhouses/quality of meat/hormones in meat/humane treatment of pigs/intelligence of pigs/vegetarianism/veganism etc. etc. etc. (all of which are at least in my opinion viable reasons to stop eating pork) ... the fact that a group of persons used one maliciously in a protest completely unrelated to nething regarding eating meat/pork just doesnt logically lead to a decision to then stop eating pork ... at least not any logic that i can fathom
Please don't ruin my thread. I'm allowed to choose whatever reason I see fit to stop eating something.
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 04:49 PM
Please don't ruin my thread. I'm allowed to choose whatever reason I see fit to stop eating something.
no.
i do what i want.
sassypance
2007-08-20, 04:50 PM
I like these kinds of books too. I don't think you are going to find any books in this vein that will present the facts to you in a way that won't make you swear off steak.
There's no excuse for ignorance but honestly I would just rather be blissful when it comes to red meat. Can't always get what you want though...
Thank you for the suggestions!
sassypance
2007-08-20, 04:51 PM
no.
i do what i want.
http://neubranderinc.com/images/cartman_whatever.jpg
Sorry I just saw that episode... too reminiscent.
bboyneko
2007-08-20, 04:51 PM
Please don't ruin my thread. I'm allowed to choose whatever reason I see fit to stop eating something.
she is also free to critisize your reason.
As for me, I stopped eating pork over a year ago, and my reasoning was pig intelligence.
sassypance
2007-08-20, 04:52 PM
Everything she's saying was in the South Korean protest thread, she's just repeating herself at this point. I understand exactly where she's coming from and we disagree. Should be the end of that.
:deadhorse:
bboyneko
2007-08-20, 04:57 PM
To stop eating pork just because you were grossed out by an image is not necessarily a logical course of action but an emotional one.
You will not find happy images of animals being killed, it is all disturbing imagery. But if you find that you can't allow yourself to consume a meat knowing an animal was killed to provide you that meal, then you may need to switch to vegetarianism. You'd want to look up books that discuss how to eat a balanced diet while avoiding meat.
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 05:00 PM
http://sellingstupid.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/cow-slaughter-kosher.jpg
are you going to stop eating steaks now?
probably not...
see where your need to keep bringing up the "south korean protests" pisses me off?
at least this picture is one of cows getting slaughtered for food...
sassypance
2007-08-20, 05:02 PM
it can trigger a line of thinking about the nature of what we do to pigs completely legitimately. i stopped eating meat after i saw someone club a rabbit to death.
LOOK stop putting me on trial here. Here is my reasoning for not eating pork. As Eric said above, imagery as such can trigger you to think along the lines of how fucked up it is that we treat animals with extraordinary brain power the way that we do. That's exactly what happened for me, so please don't give me shit because I'm not here to be on a power trip, I'm simply asking for people that are interested in books like these to recommend some other titles or give opinions on the one I mentioned. FIN
Zodiac*Blue
2007-08-20, 05:03 PM
http://sellingstupid.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/cow-slaughter-kosher.jpg
:drool: That actually makes me hungry.
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 05:03 PM
LOOK stop putting me on trial here. Here is my reasoning for not eating pork. As Eric said above, imagery as such can trigger you to think along the lines of how fucked up it is that we treat animals with extraordinary brain power the way that we do. That's exactly what happened for me, so please don't give me shit because I'm not here to be on a power trip, I'm simply asking for people that are interested in books like these to recommend some other titles or give opinions on the one I mentioned. FIN
well then logically you should stop eating red meat right now too
fucking koreans...they ruined meat for everyone
sassypance
2007-08-20, 05:04 PM
I eat red meat for reasons that you don't really need to privvy to but I actually have to have it in my diet, so please do whatevah you want elsewhere.
I eat red meat for reasons that you don't really need to privvy to but I actually have to have it in my diet, so please do whatevah you want elsewhere.
terrorist
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 05:05 PM
I eat red meat for reasons that you don't really need to privvy to but I actually have to have it in my diet, so please do whatevah you want elsewhere.
meh, nm i just dont care
sassypance
2007-08-20, 05:09 PM
terrorist
:deathstar:
:deathstar:
i don't think you care about black people (or koreans for that matter)
zartan
2007-08-20, 05:10 PM
i just dont see it...to me its like stating "omg i ate a rotten apple one day and it made me sick so now im never going to eat oranges"
some people are cold, uncaring and lacking in the ability to empathize and refine the ethical choices they make throughout their lives; others aren't.
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 05:15 PM
some people are cold, uncaring and lacking in the ability to empathize and refine the ethical choices they make throughout their lives; others aren't.
i still dont see it...a pig getting killed for some protest that is completely unrelated to any issues regarding the morality of eating pigs being the reason why someone refuses to eat pigs is illogical...it may be more logical if she gave up eating meat all together...why is seeing a pig suffer different from seeing a cow suffer (or any other animal that we eat for that matter)? why draw the connection to a refusal of eating pork but not red meat?
and i refuse to believe that any medical condition requires someone to eat red meat...id be willing to bet there are dietary supplements that would more than accommodate whatever it is that she requires by eating red meat
Don Miguel Lush
2007-08-20, 05:18 PM
some people are cold, uncaring and lacking in the ability to empathize and refine the ethical choices they make throughout their lives; others aren't.
that's one big load of pure quailty bullshit.
just because something you experience affected you somehow and lead you to not eating meat doesn't mean you are more ethical/sympathetic/whatever word makes you feel better about yourself
it just means you reacted different than others.
sassypance
2007-08-20, 05:18 PM
Thank you Dr. Doh, I'll be sure to let me doc know that my supplements are not good enough for your standards.
Thank you for the hijack, now back on topic... Alexis I'm going to start reading the reviews on Amazon about the books you recommended thank you. Emma and Kevin, same deal :)
Chrississippi
2007-08-20, 05:20 PM
All that you get from meat that you can't find elsewhere is Vitamin B12 and the supplements that come with meat that aid in the digestion of B12. This isn't in response to any post in particular, just sayin.
I wish animals were killed more humanely, but I feel no remorse at all for eating meat. how silly. do you think a lion feels bad for killing its dinner? it's not my fault that I just happened to be born at the top of the food chain.
housecat
2007-08-20, 05:20 PM
Awwww for cryin out loud. What makes sense for one person isn't gonna make sense for everyone.
:bacon:
i still dont see it...a pig getting killed for some protest that is completely unrelated to any issues regarding the morality of eating pigs being the reason why someone refuses to eat pigs is illogical...it may be more logical if she gave up eating meat all together...why is seeing a pig suffer different from seeing a cow suffer (or any other animal that we eat for that matter)? why draw the connection to a refusal of eating pork but not red meat?
and i refuse to believe that any medical condition requires someone to eat red meat...id be willing to bet there are dietary supplements that would more than accommodate whatever it is that she requires by eating red meat
Why are you letting this get to you? Does her decision to not eat meat effect you in any way, shape, or form? Does the reasoning behind her decision, again, effect you in any way, shape, or form? Are you taking it personal because it had to do with something that happened in Korea? Can you not disassociate yourself with your fellow race enough to know that her decision has nothing to do with the race of the people giving protest? Do you really think we're going to believe you don't care about the topic at hand when your posts are clearly very heated and arguementative?
zartan
2007-08-20, 05:20 PM
that's one big load of pure quailty bullshit.
lol i'm just provoking the self righteous carnivore.
still dont see it...a pig getting killed for some protest that is completely unrelated to any issues regarding the morality of eating pigs being the reason why someone refuses to eat pigs is illogical
seeing something like this can give someone a new perspective on something he or she had not previously considered in that light.
zartan
2007-08-20, 05:21 PM
oh i missed the other thread is this some kind of defensiveness-about-koreans thing?
:beaker:
Chrississippi
2007-08-20, 05:21 PM
Awwww for cryin out loud. What makes sense for one person isn't gonna make sense for everyone.
:bacon:
:star:
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 05:23 PM
Why are you letting this get to you? Does her decision to not eat meat effect you in any way, shape, or form? Does the reasoning behind her decision, again, effect you in any way, shape, or form? Are you taking it personal because it had to do with something that happened in Korea? Can you not disassociate yourself with your fellow race enough to know that her decision has nothing to do with the race of the people giving protest? Do you really think we're going to believe you don't care about the topic at hand when your posts are clearly very heated and arguementative?
bc i can and i want to...
that's one big load of pure quailty bullshit.
just because something you experience affected you somehow and lead you to not eating meat doesn't mean you are more ethical/sympathetic/whatever word makes you feel better about yourself
it just means you reacted different than others.
and yes, I agree with this...your original post (zartan) is the type of mentality (read: smug) that is stereotypically assumed to be the entire mentality of the vegitarian community. You (zartan) have claimed many times that you don't feel like you are better than anyone else because of your choice, but this demonstrates a flaw in your previous arguements.
bc i can and i want to...
so basically you're saying you're childish, and are throwing a tantrum just to get attention
AWESOME! :thumbsup:
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 05:26 PM
so basically you're saying you're childish and are throwing a tantrum just to get attention
AWESOME! :thumbsup:
im not being childish or throwing a tantrum...im just pointing out the illogical nature of her argument for not eating pork
Zodiac*Blue
2007-08-20, 05:27 PM
Damnit! I'm all out of popcorn :sadpanda:
sassypance
2007-08-20, 05:28 PM
Live and let live.
im not being childish or throwing a tantrum...im just pointing out the illogical nature of her argument for not eating pork
again
WHAT DOES IT FUCKING MATTER?
Don Miguel Lush
2007-08-20, 05:29 PM
http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/images/mockery/emoticons/meat.gif
sassypance
2007-08-20, 05:29 PM
:spit:
I literally burst out loud with laughter Brock. LOL
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 05:31 PM
again
WHAT DOES IT FUCKING MATTER?
why does anything ever effing matter?
why do you care so much?
why why why :elad:
sassypance
2007-08-20, 05:32 PM
Doh, my reasoning should not affect your day. Really. Just let it go.
Now if you have something constructive to say regarding why we should or shouldn't eat any animal we can bludgeon to death, please be my guest. Just don't tell other people that their opinions are wrong. Thanks.
Alexis
2007-08-20, 05:33 PM
do you think a lion feels bad for killing its dinner? it's not my fault that I just happened to be born at the top of the food chain.
You don't personally kill your dinner so I don't think it's fair to compare humans and lions.
I think everyone who eats meat would be less inclined to do so if they had to kill it, clean it, and cook it themselves.
zartan
2007-08-20, 05:34 PM
and yes, I agree with this...your original post (zartan) is the type of mentality (read: smug) that is stereotypically assumed to be the entire mentality of the vegitarian community. You (zartan) have claimed many times that you don't feel like you are better than anyone else because of your choice, but this demonstrates a flaw in your previous arguements.
no i was messing with this pushy carnivore is all, i was kidding around. note i was reacting to her bizarro "you shouldn't feel what you feel because i say it doesn't make sense to feel that way" post. which is the kind of defensiveness you always hear from insecure carnivores.
Don Miguel Lush
2007-08-20, 05:35 PM
I think everyone who eats meat would be less inclined to do so if they had to kill it, clean it, and cook it themselves.
bullshit again
humanity has done it for years and we just kept eating.
only until very recently (compared to humankind existence) our societies allowed a system were someone else would do it for us.
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 05:36 PM
Doh, my reasoning should not affect your day. Really. Just let it go.
Now if you have something constructive to say regarding why we should or shouldn't eat any animal we can bludgeon to death, please be my guest. Just don't tell other people that their opinions are wrong. Thanks.
its really not affecting my day...
i didnt say ur opinion was wrong...i said it was illogical...
Zodiac*Blue
2007-08-20, 05:36 PM
You don't personally kill your dinner so I don't think it's fair to compare humans and lions.
I think everyone who eats meat would be less inclined to do so if they had to kill it, clean it, and cook it themselves.
Sheet.
I'd kill my dinner.
I just wouldn't want to butcher and clean it.
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 05:37 PM
no i was messing with this pushy carnivore is all, i was kidding around. note i was reacting to her bizarro "you shouldn't feel what you feel because i say it doesn't make sense to feel that way" post. which is the kind of defensiveness you always hear from insecure carnivores.
im not an insecure carnivore...im quite happy with my decision to eat meat :elad:
Chrississippi
2007-08-20, 05:40 PM
You don't personally kill your dinner so I don't think it's fair to compare humans and lions.
I think everyone who eats meat would be less inclined to do so if they had to kill it, clean it, and cook it themselves.
I dunno. Humans killed their own meat for thousands and thousands of years and still chose to eat it, even after they domesticated farming and could basically grow whatever they want. The Amish def don't need to eat meat, and yet they still do (as an example of a group who eats meat from desire and not necessity).
sassypance
2007-08-20, 05:42 PM
i didnt say ur opinion was wrong...i said it was illogical...
Semantics...
no i was messing with this pushy carnivore is all, i was kidding around. note i was reacting to her bizarro "you shouldn't feel what you feel because i say it doesn't make sense to feel that way" post. which is the kind of defensiveness you always hear from insecure carnivores.
yeah, i saw that after i posted...and i guess i should have assumed you were playing devils advocate
Don Miguel Lush
2007-08-20, 05:44 PM
this thread is full of cattle and killed-to-eat animal shit.
why does anything ever effing matter?
why do you care so much?
why why why :elad:
things generally matter to us because they effect us personally...
it matters to me because it's a topic that has weighed heavily on my mind lately (not eating meat)
and i'm giving you shit because you're interrupting the flow of the conversation basically because you feel slighted because you're korean, and koreans had some sort of influence on why kristen stopped eating meat
Alexis
2007-08-20, 05:46 PM
I dunno. Humans killed their own meat for thousands and thousands of years and still chose to eat it, even after they domesticated farming and could basically grow whatever they want. The Amish def don't need to eat meat, and yet they still do (as an example of a group who eats meat from desire and not necessity).
I'm not trying to argue with history at all. If tomorrow I was unable to go to the store and buy a steak you wouldn't catch me in my yard hunting squirrels to get my meat fix. That's all I'm saying.
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 05:47 PM
things generally matter to us because they effect us personally...
it matters to me because it's a topic that has weighed heavily on my mind lately (not eating meat)
(insert "what does it fucking matter" in huge, bold font scrolling across post)
Precious12
2007-08-20, 05:47 PM
jus cause i'm bored
http://jumi.lut.fi/~japalvia/pics/retard.gif
Funshine
2007-08-20, 05:51 PM
http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/images/mockery/emoticons/meat.gif
http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/images/smilies/emot-taco.gif
Don Miguel Lush
2007-08-20, 05:52 PM
http://www.therpgsite.com/forums/images/smilies/emot-taco.gif
http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/images/mockery/emoticons/hotdog.gif
I'm not trying to argue with history at all. If tomorrow I was unable to go to the store and buy a steak you wouldn't catch me in my yard hunting squirrels to get my meat fix. That's all I'm saying.
no doubt...why do that when picking up road kill is so much easier?
(insert "what does it fucking matter" in huge, bold font scrolling across post)
re-read the last line of my post you quoted
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 05:55 PM
re-read the last line of my post you quoted
ok...so??? :elad:
(insert "what does it fucking matter" in huge, bold font scrolling across post)
FutonBunny
2007-08-20, 05:56 PM
I tried the vegetarian thing. I ended up feeling like shit all the time because I wasn't balancing it well at all :sadblue:
sassypance
2007-08-20, 05:56 PM
*head in hands*
Someone make it stop :crying2:
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 05:56 PM
*head in hands*
Someone make it stop :crying2:
no. :arg:
ok...so??? :elad:
(insert "what does it fucking matter" in huge, bold font scrolling across post)
/fail
/ignore
:byebye:
Funshine
2007-08-20, 05:58 PM
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http://www.llamasery.com/forums/images/smilies/fastfood.gif
sassypance
2007-08-20, 05:58 PM
F this I'm mobile. A beer is much more worthy.
Doh you can have my thread.
Don Miguel Lush
2007-08-20, 06:01 PM
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Funshine
2007-08-20, 06:02 PM
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Precious12
2007-08-20, 06:08 PM
is it too early to lock this shit up?
please?
zartan
2007-08-20, 06:08 PM
im not an insecure carnivore...im quite happy with my decision to eat meat
why do you feel the need to so aggressively question someone else's decisions and feelings about what they eat and why? in my experience people like that are insecure with their own choices and lash out because someone else making other choices calls their decisions into question
Don Miguel Lush
2007-08-20, 06:13 PM
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Zodiac*Blue
2007-08-20, 06:16 PM
I think I'll have dolphin for dinner tonight :ponder:
Don Miguel Lush
2007-08-20, 06:17 PM
I think I'll have dolphin for dinner tonight :ponder:
they are not that tasty
sharks are good tho
DJ KonviKt
2007-08-20, 06:21 PM
I think I'll have dolphin for dinner tonight :ponder:
I hope its tuna free.
K-netic
2007-08-20, 06:26 PM
You don't personally kill your dinner so I don't think it's fair to compare humans and lions.
I think everyone who eats meat would be less inclined to do so if they had to kill it, clean it, and cook it themselves.
Some people would be less inclined, but I think more people than you would imagine would be happy to hunt their own meals. Partially because you would know that the animal was killed humanely (hopefully).
I think when you kill, clean, and cook your own food you actually have more respect for the animal you are eating.
With that said, I eat animals because they taste good.
EmmaK
2007-08-20, 06:36 PM
Awwww for cryin out loud. What makes sense for one person isn't gonna make sense for everyone.
:bacon:
Thank you.
Why are you letting this get to you? Does her decision to not eat meat effect you in any way, shape, or form? Does the reasoning behind her decision, again, effect you in any way, shape, or form? Are you taking it personal because it had to do with something that happened in Korea? Can you not disassociate yourself with your fellow race enough to know that her decision has nothing to do with the race of the people giving protest? Do you really think we're going to believe you don't care about the topic at hand when your posts are clearly very heated and arguementative?
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Kif again.
EmmaK
2007-08-20, 06:40 PM
You don't personally kill your dinner so I don't think it's fair to compare humans and lions.
I think everyone who eats meat would be less inclined to do so if they had to kill it, clean it, and cook it themselves.
I'm not trying to argue with history at all. If tomorrow I was unable to go to the store and buy a steak you wouldn't catch me in my yard hunting squirrels to get my meat fix. That's all I'm saying.
I very much agree with this. Same goes for wearing leather.
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 08:18 PM
why do you feel the need to so aggressively question someone else's decisions and feelings about what they eat and why? in my experience people like that are insecure with their own choices and lash out because someone else making other choices calls their decisions into question
bc it doesnt make sense...if shes so offended by the inhumane way in which a pig was treated and thereby decides to not eat pigs nemore...why does she continue to eat other meats? cows and chickens are treated just as inhumanely :elad: why is that standard of inhumanity only relevant to pigs for her??? why does she get to conveniently ignore that same standard of inhumane treatment for other animals...
its a selfish decision of convenience and i think its both completely illogical and dumb...and no, me posting this does not stem from some insecurity i have about vegetarians and my decision to eat meat or wahtever the hell else you want to impose on me...
zartan
2007-08-20, 08:54 PM
if shes so offended by the inhumane way in which a pig was treated and thereby decides to not eat pigs nemore...why does she continue to eat other meats?
looks like you love cats. how can you possibly have a cat as a pet and eat cows or pigs?
your differentiation between pets and meat is a selfish decision of convenience and i think its both completely illogical and dumb...
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-20, 09:05 PM
looks like you love cats. how can you possibly have a cat as a pet and eat cows or pigs?
your differentiation between pets and meat is a selfish decision of convenience and i think its both completely illogical and dumb...
if it were offered to me id try cat meat :elad:...id also try dog meat too if it were offered to me (id probably be able to get dog meater easier than i could get cat meat)
and im not just saying this prove a point altho it may seem like it
in the future if it were possible with my living situation id like to own a pot bellied pig as a pet, theyre suppose to make great pets...if i did i wouldnt have any problems eating bacon for breakfast
zartan
2007-08-20, 09:18 PM
Good for you. We all have our own ways of judging the morality of our actions.
If anyone wants to eat some italian sausage come over my place tonight around 12am when badkitty is sleeping.
:tarvis:
Bioteknik
2007-08-20, 10:59 PM
screw you all for this being a new post, I think I just read 4 pages of this crap.. now I want that part of my life back.
Bioteknik
2007-08-20, 11:02 PM
looks like you love cats. how can you possibly have a cat as a pet and eat cows or pigs?
your differentiation between pets and meat is a selfish decision of convenience and i think its both completely illogical and dumb...
uh.. what?
zartan
2007-08-20, 11:11 PM
your differentiation between pets and meat is a selfish decision of convenience and i think its both completely illogical and dumb...
uh.. what?
what part are you not agreeing with or clear on? There is no moral difference between a dog and a pig. end of story.
Don Miguel Lush
2007-08-21, 09:51 AM
Good for you. We all have our own ways of judging the morality of our actions.
i'm sorry zartan but using the moral argument to blame meateaters is selfish, close minded and biased.
there are several reasons vegetarians use to support their point that i can understand and respect, but morality of pet/dinner dilemma is just pure bullcrap (no pun intended)
Funshine
2007-08-21, 09:52 AM
http://planetsmilies.net/eat-drink-smiley-7848.gif
Oooohhh... very nice!
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Don Miguel Lush
2007-08-21, 09:54 AM
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Funshine
2007-08-21, 09:56 AM
http://www.ragingstorm.org/images/patrick/thankssmilie5.gif
You b-..... I was about to post that one.
Oh well.
Guess it's time to bring out the Big Guns.. just remember, you made me do it.
http://www.longhaircareforum.com/forums/images/smilies/club.gif
Don Miguel Lush
2007-08-21, 10:01 AM
http://www.smilietv.philaforum.com/Bilder/smilie.gif
Funshine
2007-08-21, 10:09 AM
Oooohhhh... I <3 your smilies. (stupid work distracting me)..
Funshine
2007-08-21, 10:10 AM
http://www.longhaircareforum.com/forums/images/smilies/beer5.gif
Don Miguel Lush
2007-08-21, 10:31 AM
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SiKniSS
2007-08-21, 10:33 AM
dead meat.... yay!
http://www.smilietv.philaforum.com/upload/14/1144877590.gif
Funshine
2007-08-21, 10:33 AM
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Funshine
2007-08-21, 10:38 AM
dead meat.... yay!
http://www.smilietv.philaforum.com/upload/14/1144877590.gif
Huh... smilietv... I gotta check that site out.
GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-08-21, 10:54 AM
dead meat.... yay!
http://www.smilietv.philaforum.com/upload/14/1144877590.gif
points!
zartan
2007-08-21, 11:19 AM
i'm sorry zartan but using the moral argument to blame meateaters is selfish, close minded and biased.
i don't understand.
Bioteknik
2007-08-21, 11:42 AM
what part are you not agreeing with or clear on? There is no moral difference between a dog and a pig. end of story.
I didn't know your opinion was fact.
K-netic
2007-08-21, 11:47 AM
i don't understand.
That's most likely because you need to eat more meat.
Don Miguel Lush
2007-08-21, 01:51 PM
i don't understand.
you are setting a base of standards based on your beliefs to discredits other peoples choices.
just because you feel bad eating meat doesn't make meat eaters immoral.
it's a pretty simple dichotomy you are tracing and you are mining the debate with faith-driven statements.
just because you believe is not ok, doesn't make it wrong!
sassypance
2007-08-21, 01:52 PM
This thread isn't dead yet?
KILL IT WITH FIRE! QUICK!
EmmaK
2007-08-21, 03:19 PM
If anyone wants to eat some italian sausage come over my place tonight around 12am when badkitty is sleeping.
:tarvis:
Ha! Some things never change.
zartan
2007-08-21, 03:39 PM
you are setting a base of standards based on your beliefs to discredits other peoples choices.
just because you feel bad eating meat doesn't make meat eaters immoral.
it's a pretty simple dichotomy you are tracing and you are mining the debate with faith-driven statements.
i'm saying dogs and pigs are morally the same. i never said meat eaters are immoral and have no problem with meat eaters who decide to eat meat who don't hide from the truth about their choices. i do have an issue with people who get up in arms about a pig getting tortured in a video or a dog getting drowned but turn a blind eye to conditions in factory farms.
xgirl
2007-08-22, 12:36 AM
i would have loved to have just read a discussion about 'skinny bitch'.
sassypance
2007-08-22, 12:38 AM
Ditto.
EmmaK
2007-08-22, 10:26 AM
Wow, I was just about to say "then post this in chick-shat"....well what do you know, they've infected our nice sub-forum.
:gtfo: if you can't stay on topic in a chick-friendly way, dorkos.
Shawn_E
2007-08-22, 10:30 AM
it can trigger a line of thinking about the nature of what we do to pigs completely legitimately. i stopped eating meat after i saw someone club a rabbit to death.
so you were a big rabbit eater before that? I don't get it. :whack:
Shawn_E
2007-08-22, 10:35 AM
You don't personally kill your dinner so I don't think it's fair to compare humans and lions.
I think everyone who eats meat would be less inclined to do so if they had to kill it, clean it, and cook it themselves.
That's logical bullshit right there, what do you think your ancesters did to survive? Or mankind for that reason? Or hell, people in W. Va NOW for that reason?
Funshine
2007-08-22, 10:38 AM
Can we please perma-ban Shawn from the Chick forum?
:ontome:
housecat
2007-08-22, 10:41 AM
For serious.
We aren't cavemen anymore and have *gasp* options. If I couldn't buy meat at the grocery or restaurants anymore I'd be fine. I was a vegetarian for 6+ years and it's no biggie for me. I don't even cook meat I only eat it out. I'm not gonna preach anything because that's just me.
Wasn't this thread originally just to get opinions on the book or something. The fuck happened here? Anyway, I haven't read it but apparently it's up there on celeb's list of reading's.
Alexis
2007-08-22, 10:46 AM
That's logical bullshit right there, what do you think your ancesters did to survive? Or mankind for that reason? Or hell, people in W. Va NOW for that reason?
Did you even read my follow up post? I'm glad you think my bullshit is logical.
EmmaK
2007-08-22, 10:48 AM
Can we please perma-ban Shawn from the Chick forum?
:ontome:
Co-signed.
Shawn_E
2007-08-22, 10:49 AM
Co-signed.
Expected. Why not name this forum the nazi's forum? Seriously, you can all invade other people threads starting shit but let someone come this way, you want to get up in arms and get emotional over the internets zomg!
housecat
2007-08-22, 10:53 AM
I don't think we're being nazi's. We just want to discuss girly topics. If we wanted to dispute to eat meat or not we'd go to Political Action or something. Jeeeeeeeez people.
Shawn_E
2007-08-22, 10:53 AM
Has anyone read this??
I'm considering reading it, but I have some qualms with finding out information that I could do without. It's pretty blatant and I was told there is a whole chapter on bowel movements alone... yyyyyeah....
Here's an overview if you haven't heard of it:
I have read many books since going vegetarian, then vegan, so I know much of the stuff in this book about the hormones and antibiotics and carcinogens in meat, dairy, and eggs, not to mention the treatment of the animals. I am all too aware that the government just doesn't give a sh*t about your health (in the words of the authors), and that the inmates are running the asylum when it comes to the USDA. I have read many of the books they recommend and use as sources. But I have never read a book that talks to you like an old friend to whom you can say almost anything and who can say just about anything to you.
Yes, they can be vulgar, and if you're offended by certain words, you maybe should find an alternative book. But this book will kick you in the butt about what you eat and the brainwashing of the meat industry, the dairy industry, the egg industry.
I want to know more about what's really in our food, but then I track back to being blissfully ignorant. Once I read it, that blissful ignorance is out the door. I'm interested in this subject now after taking my Tech & Society class and writing so many papers on the globalization of agriculture and GMOs and such. The thing is, I am a huge fan of red meat. I've sworn off bacon/pork/ribs after seeing the South Korean protest pictures and I really do not want to be turned off of red meat by vividly explicit descriptions of slaughterhouses and the like. I want to know what's going on, but I don't. WTS. I know I don't want to be a Vegan, it's not my thing. I am carnivore and I will be a very unhappy girl if I can't eat red meat after reading this *IF* I decide to read this. Also from what I see on Amazon it's more of a diet book and I'm not interested in that aspect.
Obviously, the jury's still out. Thoughts or suggestions on similar but probably better books?
On a more serious note though, and to stay on topic, why do you need someone's book to tell you what to eat? If you have always been a carnivore and you admit to being such, why fix something that's not broke? :shrug:
Meat has been part of mankind's diet for quite sometime, and I don't see any truly adverse results of such, the species still continues on, minus mad cow and all the other stuff associated with meat but that's the exception rather than the rule.
EmmaK
2007-08-22, 11:17 AM
I don't think we're being nazi's. We just want to discuss girly topics. If we wanted to dispute to eat meat or not we'd go to Political Action or something. Jeeeeeeeez people.
Exactly. It's not a difficult concept to understand :shrug:
EmmaK
2007-08-22, 11:19 AM
Anyway sassydoll, let us know if you start reading one of the books that have been recommended. And if you end up reading 'Natural Cures', def lemme know, maybe we could chat about it while we're working through it :)
K-netic
2007-08-22, 12:33 PM
I don't think we're being nazi's. We just want to discuss girly topics. If we wanted to dispute to eat meat or not we'd go to Political Action or something. Jeeeeeeeez people.
I thought whether or not to eat meat was a girly topic.
Feel free to take that as sexist: Men don't discuss eating meat, we just do it (because steak tastes good).
OR
Feel free to take that as sexual: You know - "Eating meat." You chicks talk about it. Don't lie.
housecat
2007-08-22, 12:42 PM
:haha:
Only a guy would take it there.
:twatpunch:
sassypance
2007-08-22, 12:44 PM
On a more serious note though, and to stay on topic, why do you need someone's book to tell you what to eat? If you have always been a carnivore and you admit to being such, why fix something that's not broke? :shrug:
Meat has been part of mankind's diet for quite sometime, and I don't see any truly adverse results of such, the species still continues on, minus mad cow and all the other stuff associated with meat but that's the exception rather than the rule.
If you read my original posting my reasoning is to be educated as to exactly what's in our food. It's a topic that I'm interested in learning more about. It's not a matter of 'fixing something that's not broke' as you would say...
sassypance
2007-08-22, 12:45 PM
Anyway sassydoll, let us know if you start reading one of the books that have been recommended. And if you end up reading 'Natural Cures', def lemme know, maybe we could chat about it while we're working through it :)
Of course I will. I'm going to head up to Barnes and Noble next week and just sit in an aisle and thumb through them until I decide which one I would like to read.
Precious12
2007-08-22, 01:01 PM
this shit is so not fun anymore
Don Miguel Lush
2007-08-22, 01:22 PM
this shit is so not fun anymore
seconded.... we need sexist jokes and stupid moralist wannabe comments.
so, hmm, ok...
you, arghh, WOMAN!
ha!
PotBelly
2007-08-22, 01:29 PM
after watching that protest video I've decided to stop eating Koreans. They are just so intelligent and passionate. It breaks my heart to BBQ their juicy thighs.
Funshine
2007-08-22, 01:30 PM
Would you consider a dry rub?
housecat
2007-08-22, 01:32 PM
Despite the fact that I was a vegetarian for so long and don't cook meat myself @ Renn Fest this year I plan on eating a huge chunk of meat on the bone Flinstone style.
DON'T JUDGE ME! :booty:
SiKniSS
2007-08-22, 01:33 PM
Would you consider a dry rub?
no way .. that causes chafing
PotBelly
2007-08-22, 01:33 PM
Despite the fact that I was a vegetarian for so long and don't cook meat myself @ Renn Fest this year I plan on eating a huge chunk of meat on the bone Flinstone style.
DON'T JUDGE ME! :booty:
I love that at the renn fest. After I eat one of those I go throw an axe for extra man points.
spatulagirl
2007-09-09, 12:36 AM
Meat has been part of mankind's diet for quite sometime, and I don't see any truly adverse results of such, the species still continues on, minus mad cow and all the other stuff associated with meat but that's the exception rather than the rule.
I think the main issue is that red meat today is not the red meat of 100 years ago. All those extra hormones and antibiotics people are ingesting through red meat are not good for you. Especially now that studies are proving red meat can increase prostate, colon and breast cancer.
I am a vegan (for many reasons) but if I were to eat red meat, I would do so from a local certified organic farmer. And I would probably buy the entire cow (or split one with someone).
Americans are not willing to spend a lot of money on food and it is starting to show in the general population. There is this disconnect with food and where it comes from. People don't know the farmers that grow their food, nor do they care. They just want it fast, cheap and they don't care what gets harmed in the process.
I make it a priority to know where my food comes from. If I haven't grown it myself I buy it from a few farmers I have relationships with. My favourite farmers sell in DC on Saturday mornings at the farmers market. One hundred percent organic and they use biodiesel as well.
Anyway, I think knowing what I eat and what I feed my family contributes to our good health.
The book sounds interesting.
BuzzCat
2007-09-11, 06:43 PM
bc it doesnt make sense...if shes so offended by the inhumane way in which a pig was treated and thereby decides to not eat pigs nemore...why does she continue to eat other meats?
I'm going to throw in a bit of a personal example here:
When my aunt was little, she lived on a farm. They slaughtered animals there and ate them, and she never thought much of it, until she actually witnessed the slaughtering of a pig. (She was probably a pre-teen.) The act of seeing a pig, which even though they weren't going to eat personally, and then seeing ham or bacon a plate, was too much for her. She stopped eating all pork immediately. Soon after she stopped eating red meat, and about ten years down the line stopped eating meat all together.
It was the initial act of seeing something gross and connecting it to something she ate, that made her want to stop. It wasn't that she felt it was morally wrong, it's just that she couldn't get the connection out of her head.
Say like... you go to drink a bottle of gatorade on a coffe table. And when you drink it, you find out somebody has ashed in it or something nasty. From them on, you don't really want to drink gatorade anymore even though you know it tastes good. You just can't get the connection out of your head.
It bothers me to eat red meat, but not to the point I've stopped permantly yet. I do not eat pork 99% of the time, because I have an affinity for pigs and I think things like turkey bacon taste better. I doubt I'll ever stop eating chicken, just because I hate birds. lol. Is there a set thought process for making these decisions? No. It's an emotional one, but that doesn't make it less logical. It just means other people won't be able to follow your reasonings as often.
sassypance
2007-09-12, 12:47 PM
After listening to the President of PETA say that meat eaters are the cause of global warming because of methane emissions into the atmosphere from cow's burping and farting constantly, I gave a little more thought to giving up meat because she said you can't be a 'meat eating environmentalist' so I don't know, I'll probably give it up one of these days. Probably after I graduate and have my splenectomy. It's supposed to be curative.
EmmaK
2007-09-12, 01:09 PM
After listening to the President of PETA say that meat eaters are the cause of global warming because of methane emissions into the atmosphere from cow's burping and farting constantly, I gave a little more thought to giving up meat because she said you can't be a 'meat eating environmentalist' so I don't know, I'll probably give it up one of these days. Probably after I graduate and have my splenectomy. It's supposed to be curative.
O_o
Kristin. How can you lend credence (enough to doubt your own decision-making, which is based on your life as opposed to a group's agenda) to someone who says global warming is a result of cow burps and farts--and means it?
maynard
2007-09-12, 01:12 PM
Furthermore, why on EARTH would you listen to anything PETA has to say?
They're propagandists, same as special interest groups and political glad-handers. Their HQ is in Norfolk, when I lived there they would do all kinds of shit. They don't care about disrupting other people's lives so long as they can stand in the middle of Granby Street and wave signs.
After listening to the President of PETA
that's where you went wrong, sweetie
sassypance
2007-09-12, 01:13 PM
OKOK wait.
I knew I should have put a preface to this. Give me a minute to type LOL
sassypance
2007-09-12, 01:16 PM
Alright I think it's ridiculous to say that methane emissions from cow burp's and fart's are causing the permafrost to melt, but the factory farming is what got me thinking. (Sorry I should have been more clear, I also thought more people watched Bill Maher...) Basically it's being wasteful to feed these animals as much as we are and getting maybe a few pounds of meat from them in return. These factory farms are responsible for greenhouse gas emissions mostly and that was an interesting view that I hadn't considered before. Yes, it's from the president of PETA, but the factory farming portion of the argument is stable. I just started to explain what she was saying and didn't finish it, my fault.
Funshine
2007-09-12, 01:16 PM
...meat eaters are the cause of global warming because of methane emissions into the atmosphere from cow's burping and farting constantly...
:afterbuzz:
Sorry, that's just HILARIOUS to me.
sassypance
2007-09-12, 01:19 PM
It is. I was like WTF lady. But it led on to a more convincing side of her argument and it may have a *LITTLE* bit of truth to it, but I don't think cow farts are responsible for glacial melting. :haha:
:afterbuzz:
Sorry, that's just HILARIOUS to me.
Methane (CH4) is the primary component of natural gas and an important energy source. Methane is also a greenhouse gas, meaning that its presence in the atmosphere affects the Earth’s temperature and climate system. Due to its relatively short life time in the atmosphere (9-15 years) and its global warming potency — 20 times more effective than carbon dioxide (CO2) in trapping heat in the atmosphere — reducing methane emissions should be an effective means to reduce climate warming on a relatively short timescale.
http://www.climatescience.gov/infosheets/highlight1/default.htm
sassypance
2007-09-12, 01:22 PM
I believe she was laughing at the cow burps and farts.
Funshine
2007-09-12, 01:23 PM
Yeah, I was talking about the cows burping and farting :afterbuzz:
sassypance
2007-09-12, 01:24 PM
OK I hope to have redeemed myself a little because I'm off to my pork-free lunch now. :D
I believe she was laughing at the cow burps and farts.
oh, i know, was just putting in a little scientific fact along with it
FARTS!
sassypance
2007-09-12, 01:26 PM
Cow farts...
now we're fucked.
oh no its nick
2007-09-12, 01:26 PM
It is. I was like WTF lady. But it led on to a more convincing side of her argument and it may have a *LITTLE* bit of truth to it, but I don't think cow farts are responsible for glacial melting. :haha:
Isn't that the same woman that's vehemently against any and all kinds of animal testing but uses insulin for her diabetes? "I'm not a hypocrite because I use the insulin to stay strong and keep fighting the good fight for animals." :delirious:
maynard
2007-09-12, 01:26 PM
It is. I was like WTF lady. But it led on to a more convincing side of her argument and it may have a *LITTLE* bit of truth to it, but I don't think cow farts are responsible for glacial melting. :haha:
Studies have shown PETA is the leading cause of Zealotitis, a condition that turns the victim into a smug, self-righteous, hypocritical shitbag.
From July 1998 through the end of 2005, PETA killed over 14,400 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals" -- at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That's more than five defenseless animals every day. Not counting the dogs and cats PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 90 percent of the animals it took in during 2005 alone.
In addition to the thousands of animals that were killed at their headquarters, two PETA employees in North Carolina admitted to killing dozens of dogs and cats in a roving “death van” and tossing their bodies into a trash dumpster.
:thumbsdown:
Funshine
2007-09-12, 01:27 PM
oh, i know, was just putting in a little scientific fact along with it
FARTS!
:afterbuzz:
And I always enjoy a little scientific fact along with my burp/fart jokes. Helps make the world go 'round.
sassypance
2007-09-12, 01:28 PM
I do not support PETA. The woman had ONE point. Just one.
EmmaK
2007-09-12, 01:28 PM
but the factory farming is what got me thinking. (Sorry I should have been more clear, I also thought more people watched Bill Maher...) Basically it's being wasteful to feed these animals as much as we are and getting maybe a few pounds of meat from them in return. These factory farms are responsible for greenhouse gas emissions mostly and that was an interesting view that I hadn't considered before.
But that is also something you learn in like, junior high or high school health class. I can't remember if the exact term is secondary source, but the more direct the source of the food you're eating is, the more nutritious it is on a very basic level.
Sun-->Plants-->Animals.
Something like that.
BuzzCat
2007-09-12, 01:49 PM
Isn't that the same woman that's vehemently against any and all kinds of animal testing but uses insulin for her diabetes? "I'm not a hypocrite because I use the insulin to stay strong and keep fighting the good fight for animals." :delirious:
Well, we don't have to eat meat to live. We also don't have to shave bunnies in order to find out if the shaving cream is going to give us a rash. Diabetics have to use insulin to live.
EmmaK
2007-09-12, 01:52 PM
Well, we don't have to eat meat to live. We also don't have to shave bunnies in order to find out if the shaving cream is going to give us a rash. Diabetics have to use insulin to live.
True, but wasn't insulin's efficacy probably tested on animals in the beginning? (I don't know the history of it.)
BuzzCat
2007-09-12, 02:07 PM
True, but wasn't insulin's efficacy probably tested on animals in the beginning? (I don't know the history of it.)
Yes, it was. It still is. But we have to test it on other living beings in order to save our own kind.
I like cows and mice, but I'm not giving up my life for them.
cows are tasty, idk about mice though, not enough meat to really be worth the effort
BuzzCat
2007-09-12, 02:13 PM
I was thinking of sticking them on a kabob stick and onto the grill.
Funshine
2007-09-12, 02:17 PM
Don't forget the A1!
EmmaK
2007-09-12, 05:20 PM
My god do I love A1 sauce. :drool:
EmmaK
2007-09-12, 05:20 PM
Yes, it was. It still is. But we have to test it on other living beings in order to save our own kind.
I like cows and mice, but I'm not giving up my life for them.
TERRORIST.
Of love :tarvis:
My god do I love A1 sauce. :drool:
eh...I've always prefered Heinz 57 (if I want to ruin some meat with shitty sauce that is)
maynard
2007-09-12, 05:34 PM
A1 is the jam for underseasoned or ill-prepared steaks.
But a steak, properly marinated, needs no sauce - it'll be juicy and flavorful enough as is.
I've never been a fan of steak sauce.
When eating a good cut of meat, I see no reason to ruin it any extra flavor.
EmmaK
2007-09-12, 05:39 PM
It's great with burgers.
And chicken.
maynard
2007-09-12, 05:40 PM
It IS great on burgers, though. I always get them to pour it on when I go to Five Guys. :D
:werd:
I just don't like it in general. :D
Phoenix
2007-09-12, 05:43 PM
the fact that a group of persons used one maliciously in a protest completely unrelated to nething regarding eating meat/pork just doesnt logically lead to a decision to then stop eating pork ... at least not any logic that i can fathom
It's logical in that Kristin's brain can't separate the idea of slaughtered Korean protest pigs from the pigs she eats. It's a conditioned response just like Pavlov's Dog or why hypnotism can cure smoking (though there's a little more manipulation in that).
BuzzCat
2007-09-12, 05:45 PM
Pavlov's dogs was the first example I thought of too.
Phoenix
2007-09-12, 05:48 PM
Pavlov's dogs was the first example I thought of too.
:hifive:
:D
The Logic Theorist
2007-09-12, 05:58 PM
I'm not going to get into any debate about who should eat meat or not eat meat or why, but some books I'd recommend:
John Robbins - Diet for a New America
John Robbins - The Food Revolution
Eric Schlosser - Fast Food Nation
All three of those books touch heavily on factory farming and the issues with how our food is made and brought to us. They all also focus on the health issues with regard to eating meat and the differences between a meat and plant based diet. And all 3 are backed with loads of scientific fact pulled from studies, no crazy PETA propaganda.
The Logic Theorist
2007-09-12, 06:02 PM
And I think I'm going to order and read this, it looks very interesting:
http://www.amazon.com/Omnivores-Dilemma-Natural-History-Meals/dp/0143038583/ref=pd_bbs_9/104-2446116-9515115?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189630583&sr=8-9
EmmaK
2007-09-12, 06:07 PM
And I think I'm going to order and read this, it looks very interesting:
http://www.amazon.com/Omnivores-Dilemma-Natural-History-Meals/dp/0143038583/ref=pd_bbs_9/104-2446116-9515115?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189630583&sr=8-9
:ponder: looks interesting...