Losing Weight

[oceanbreeze19]

Can someone please tell me how to lose my extra weight that I have gained over the past year. I would like to tone up my body and hopefully get a flatter tummy, but I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I'm on the southbeach diet, and I jog .....any suggestions?

If anyone serious out there can help me, I would like to know the proper foods and fitness to do..

Thanks!!!

[ramz]

weight training! And, really, any variation on the Atkins formula that is dedicated to controlling carb intake is ridiculously laughable and must be avoided at all costs, especially if you are male. Males _NEED_ some carbohydrates to convert lipids to energy. Best advice is to monitor your caloric intake, fat intake, protein and limit your carbs to complex ones like whole wheats, etc. Almost anything white is bad for you (sugar, bleached flours, refined anything, pastas, white rice) with obvious exceptions like tofu and fish, etc. Pre-prepared meals should also be avoided like the plague.

Just jogging is an inefficient weight loss method as well as an unnecessarily time consuming one. If you can't get to the gym, so body weight exercises like push ups, sit ups, pull ups, dips, squats (lots of squats), lunges, etc. This will give you a more thorough workout. Intensity is far more important than quantity of your workout. You can get more benefit from 20 minutes of hard weight training than an hour of running @ 6MPH on a treadmill...

Anyone that's been following my training progress will be tired of hearing me beat this same drum again, but, seriously: www.crossfit.com

[badkitty3804]

I prefer the binge and purge method myself.

All of the pretty people taste food twice.
(joooooking.)

If you're serious, you need to determine your goals as well as your 'food weaknesses'. Your personality type will show how you need to attack the whole situation. What's your lifestyle like? Diseases such a diabetes or other health factors? How did you put on the weight?

Etc. etc.

Weight loss isn't as simple as setting goals of eating right (which is easier said than done) and exercising.

[Shawn_E]

Simple and the best advice:

Burn more calories than you consume.

[badkitty3804]

P.S - as far as your food intake goes, you should NEVER start any form of ddiet that you can't see yourself keeping permanently. All diets fail eventually, lifestyle changes are what keep you healthy.

I suggest kicking the southbeach diet and start focusing in on a real structured overall diet that maintains health, not just weight loss.

[Shakey]

see a dietitian.

[Bioteknik]

Simple and the best advice:

Burn more calories than you consume.

and patience, patience, patience...

[Bioteknik]

P.S - as far as your food intake goes, you should NEVER start any form of ddiet that you can't see yourself keeping permanently. All diets fail eventually, lifestyle changes are what keep you healthy.

I suggest kicking the southbeach diet and start focusing in on a real structured overall diet that maintains health, not just weight loss.

well following southbeach is a real structured overall diet that maintains health and not just weight loss.

[Cambria]

not eating up to four hours before you go to bed is helpful as well, no matter what diet you are on, if you can stop the food at night it helps burn more before you sleep

[K-netic]

http://www.myfooddiary.com is actually a site that helps you track your food intake, water consumption, exercise, etc. This way, when you eat that 4 million calorie cheese steak, you see visually how that will affect your progress before you see it visually on your belly. Also, you can see how much excercise you need to do to reverse the effects.

[BuzzCat]

I disagree that the South Beach diet is as bad as Atkins. The SB diet is designed to re-train your body to want to eat only the proper amount, and good kind of carbs. Hence, the no carb part is only the first two weeks. Once you rid your body of the addiction to over processed starch's, it weens you back on whole grains, and healthy carbs. I did it for my wedding a couple years ago and lost over 20lbs. The only reason I put it back on was I stopped exercising and started eating REALLY bad. I never felt starved or unhealthy while I was doing it.

[housecat]

I hear that new diet pill Alli is flying off the shelves. The side effects are so awesome. You get to poop your pants and have gas(w/possible poopage) at work.

NO WHITE PANTS FOR YOU!

http://www.newstarget.com/019387.html

[FutonBunny]

P.S - as far as your food intake goes, you should NEVER start any form of ddiet that you can't see yourself keeping permanently. All diets fail eventually, lifestyle changes are what keep you healthy.

I suggest kicking the southbeach diet and start focusing in on a real structured overall diet that maintains health, not just weight loss.

That is unless you're talking about some sort of diet with a short term goal right? I'm thinking about the detox diet you tried. I've still been throwing the idea of trying it back and forth in my head to use it as some sort of jumping off point with a healthier diet. Would you still recommend it?

[FutonBunny]

I hear that new diet pill Alli is flying off the shelves. The side effects are so awesome. You get to poop your pants and have gas(w/possible poopage) at work.

NO WHITE PANTS FOR YOU!

http://www.newstarget.com/019387.html

:haha:

Yeah I saw one of those books about it in the grocery store. I picked it up and flipped to the back and saw a couple of good recipes so I took it home (I had no freakin idea what alli was). I got home and started reading it and man...that's hilarious.

A terrible trick to play on someone would be to get them to take one of those pills and then feed them a really high fat dinner. The book pretty much says that if you keep your fat consumption below like 15 grams you'll be less likely to have the olean butt esplosions.

[housecat]

Yeah, otherwise it leaks outta you. That is so hot.

:chilly:

[ramz]

:haha:

Yeah I saw one of those books about it in the grocery store. I picked it up and flipped to the back and saw a couple of good recipes so I took it home (I had no freakin idea what alli was). I got home and started reading it and man...that's hilarious.

A terrible trick to play on someone would be to get them to take one of those pills and then feed them a really high fat dinner. The book pretty much says that if you keep your fat consumption below like 15 grams you'll be less likely to have the olean butt esplosions.
15g per meal or 15g per day?!? I could see the former, but I'm definitely doing ~50g per day...

[FutonBunny]

15g per meal or 15g per day?!? I could see the former, but I'm definitely doing ~50g per day...
Per meal.

They also advise that you always have a change of clothes with you.

[Cambria]

Per meal.

They also advise that you always have a change of clothes with you.


something makes me happy about hearing "butt explosions" i can't quite put my finger on it






nor would i want to

[Shakey]

once again, see a dietitian if you seriously want/need to lose weight.
he will run all sorts of tests, and customize a meal/exercise plan.
it really is the best way. not cheap, but you will get the best results.

[Shawn_E]

not eating up to four hours before you go to bed is helpful as well, no matter what diet you are on, if you can stop the food at night it helps burn more before you sleep


MYTH, it doesn't matter what time of day you eat your food as long as your calorie intake remains at the amount you are allocating each day to lose the weight you need.

[Shawn_E]

I disagree that the South Beach diet is as bad as Atkins. The SB diet is designed to re-train your body to want to eat only the proper amount, and good kind of carbs. Hence, the no carb part is only the first two weeks. Once you rid your body of the addiction to over processed starch's, it weens you back on whole grains, and healthy carbs. I did it for my wedding a couple years ago and lost over 20lbs. The only reason I put it back on was I stopped exercising and started eating REALLY bad. I never felt starved or unhealthy while I was doing it.


But that's the thing all these diet fads are just that, they will temporally have you lose the weight but eventually you put it back on. To maintain the weight you want you simply have to do an overhaul of your eating habits and choose the right foods daily.

[Shakey]

MYTH, it doesn't matter what time of day you eat your food as long as your calorie intake remains at the amount you are allocating each day to lose the weight you need.


actually, i think it is true.
i think while you are sleeping, your digestive system goes into a sort of hibernation mode just like the rest of your body.
i could be completely full of shit, but it makes sense to me.

[badkitty3804]

It's been shown to be myth. There's a ton of research behind it, but here's one...
http://www.ohsu.edu/ohsuedu/landingpages/latenighteating.cfm

The only thing that having a cut off time for eating is helping to cut out late night snacking.

[ramz]

actually, i think it is true.
i think while you are sleeping, your digestive system goes into a sort of hibernation mode just like the rest of your body.
i could be completely full of shit, but it makes sense to me.
:no: digestive system works 24-7. and if you can get into the habit of eating tough to process junk before you go to sleep (celery, other high fiber stuff, etc.) , you'll give your digestive system a workout for the night that will actually allow you to burn fat as you sleep...

[Shawn_E]

actually, i think it is true.
i think while you are sleeping, your digestive system goes into a sort of hibernation mode.
i could be completely full of shit, but it makes sense to me.


Wrong, I used to be a personal trainer, it's really simple. You take your weight, for instance I weigh 199lbs right now * 12 = 2,388 give or take a few calories is my daily intake.

To lose weight at a healthy pace, e.g 1 to 2 pounds a week, I need to burn about 4,000 calories, so that means my daily intake needs to become 1,816 calories. While it's better to eat most of the carbs you'll take in during the beginning of the day for energy, it doesn't matter if you eat a good portion of those calories at night. Your metabolism will burn them regardless or store the ones not needed away.

So if I eat 1816 today and continue to do that I will lose a pound in 7 days regardless if I ate most of those at night.

Oh and the only thing that goes into hiberation is you at night lol.

[Shakey]

It's been shown to be myth. There's a ton of research behind it, but here's one...
http://www.ohsu.edu/ohsuedu/landingpages/latenighteating.cfm

The only thing that having a cut off time for eating is helping to cut out late night snacking.
werd, thanks!
i believed it my whole life!
:sillyme:

[Shawn_E]

werd, thanks!
i believed it my whole life!
:sillyme:

lol just like Tommy lee said in MIB, we always think we know things for certain in life :afterbuzz:

[Shakey]

:no: digestive system works 24-7. and if you can get into the habit of eating tough to process junk before you go to sleep (celery, other high fiber stuff, etc.) , you'll give your digestive system a workout for the night that will actually allow you to burn fat as you sleep...
awesome. thanks.
not that i need to lose weight or anything, im actually 2 pounds above my ideal weight.
i just like knowing info.

[Cambria]

Wrong, I used to be a personal trainer, it's really simple. You take your weight, for instance I weigh 199lbs right now * 12 = 2,388 give or take a few calories is my daily intake.

To lose weight at a healthy pace, e.g 1 to 2 pounds a week, I need to burn about 4,000 calories, so that means my daily intake needs to become 1,816 calories. While it's better to eat most of the carbs you'll take in during the beginning of the day for energy, it doesn't matter if you eat a good portion of those calories at night. Your metabolism will burn them regardless or store the ones not needed away.

So if I eat 1816 today and continue to do that I will lose a pound in 7 days regardless if I ate most of those at night.

Oh and the only thing that goes into hiberation is you at night lol.


yes but that and the article only prove it doesn't lead to weight gain. and being a personal trainer means nothing. i have taken the courses that lead me to my certification, only to find out that almost any college student can do the same thing without taking the classes.

fact: you burn more calories my moving
fact: you need to burn calories to lose weight

eating earlier in the day and avoiding late night snacking is helpful in your weight loss goal because it keeps your eating on a schedule and avoid anytime snacking, especially later at night when to tend eat food higher in sugar and fats because being tired can actually cause your body to crave those types of foods

[Shakey]

so, eating on a regular, set schedule (around the same times every day) helps?
also, does it really make any difference if instead of having 3 large meals, one were to have 5 or 6 smaller meals? i've heard that it makes a difference.

[Cambria]

oh and http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/weight_loss/losing_weight/eating_time.htm

i can come up with just as many links that support my theory

[Cambria]

so, eating on a regular, set schedule (around the same times every day) helps?
also, does it really make any difference if instead of having 3 large meals, one were to have 5 or 6 smaller meals? i've heard that it makes a difference.


yes, it boosts your metabolism. everything likes a schedule, kids, pets, your body, we all work better with one. regular exercise and eating schedule trains your body. if you eat 3 large meals a day, you are giving body huge chunks of calories to burn but if you eat small meals you are helping your body to burn calories at a more steady pace

[Shakey]

yes, it boosts your metabolism. everything likes a schedule, kids, pets, your body, we all work better with one. regular exercise and eating schedule trains your body. if you eat 3 large meals a day, you are giving body huge chunks of calories to burn but if you eat small meals you are helping your body to burn calories at a more steady pace
awesome, thanks for the info. :thumbsup:

[badkitty3804]

awesome, thanks for the info. :thumbsup:

The exact time between meals is actually a huge debate. The whole question of cortisol comes up and a lot of people theorize that you have to eat every 4 hours to prevent cortisol from being over-produced.

And in general with this thread, there's always going to be differences since Health is a HUGE and widely changing science (with a hint of psychology mixed in). No one is every going to be 100% right due to the fact that new things are always being discovered just when we think we understand the human body and the fact that people differ so much that everyone has very different diet and exercise needs.

[Cambria]

The exact time between meals is actually a huge debate. The whole question of cortisol comes up and a lot of people theorize that you have to eat every 4 hours to prevent cortisol from being over-produced.

And in general with this thread, there's always going to be differences since Health is a HUGE and widely changing science (with a hint of psychology mixed in). No one is every going to be 100% right due to the fact that new things are always being discovered just when we think we understand the human body and the fact that people differ so much that everyone has very different diet and exercise needs.


very very right...i was just about the add that.

everyone has to find what works or them.

it's like eggs...first they are good for you, then they are bad, then are good, then they are bad

every body is so unique, it is up to the individual to find their ideal exercise and meal routine

key thing to remember, your body responds best to schedules, kind they schedule that works best and get your body into it

especially a sleep schedule, sleep has a lot to do with the food choices we make

[badkitty3804]

The egg example was the first thing to pop to mind.

Same with Milk, Carbs, etc. etc.

Health is about a good balance and catering to your OWN body's needs. Not the latest fads and health crazes. Like I said in my first post, the original poster needs to make with a bit more information if they want some decent suggestions.

[Bioteknik]

But that's the thing all these diet fads are just that, they will temporally have you lose the weight but eventually you put it back on. To maintain the weight you want you simply have to do an overhaul of your eating habits and choose the right foods daily.

yeah.. south beach wasn't designed to help people lose a few pounds, but change the lifestyle of obese people with hypertension.

[Shawn_E]

Sleep plays a vital role in you losing weight also, if you aren't getting the recommend amount of sleep each night, good luck trying to take the weight off.

[Precious12]

what time you go to sleep now shawn?



lol

[Shawn_E]

This is what I do to personally stay on track. I know I work every day and my job has restrurants, ice cream shops right in it. I wake up early enough to have a full breakfast (this can be done if you just go to bed on time).

I have a healthy breakfast, usually consisting of oatmeal, an omelet using egg whites, low fat cheese and lean turkey, glass of OJ. I pack my lunches at night which are usually dinner I cooked. I make dinner for 2 (to eat that night and to pack away for the next day) that way I am not tempted to spend money during lunch and eat out which can rack on the calories.

I have two snacks in between big meals, when I grocery shop I do it by meals, breakfast, lunch dinner and snacks. I substitute bad things for the good, brown rice for white, yoguart and fruit bars instead of ice cream etc. No soda, water, gatorade, tea and coffee with splenda no sugar.

little things like this add up to weight loss and maintaining it for myself, may not work for you.

[Shawn_E]

what time you go to sleep now shawn?



lol


11pm nowadays :mj2: wake up at 6:45 to start mah day

[Cambria]

This is what I do to personally stay on track. I know I work every day and my job has restrurants, ice cream shops right in it. I wake up early enough to have a full breakfast (this can be done if you just go to bed on time).

I have a healthy breakfast, usually consisting of oatmeal, an omelet using egg whites, low fat cheese and lean turkey, glass of OJ. I pack my lunches at night which are usually dinner I cooked. I make dinner for 2 (to eat that night and to pack away for the next day) that way I am not tempted to spend money during lunch and eat out which can rack on the calories.

I have two snacks in between big meals, when I grocery shop I do it by meals, breakfast, lunch dinner and snacks. I substitute bad things for the good, brown rice for white, yoguart and fruit bars instead of ice cream etc. No soda, water, gatorade, tea and coffee with splenda no sugar.

little things like this add up to weight loss and maintaining it for myself, may not work for you.


i like propel and whole wheat pasta they are great substitutes

[Shawn_E]

i like propel and whole wheat pasta they are great substitutes


Yep, here's a short list of my substitutes:

Butter used to cook with - pam or smart choice
Sugar - splenda
White rice - brown rice
Sweet cravings - yoguart, fruit bars, blueberries, strawberries, or and a lot of people don't think about this, brush your teeth! If you are craving sweets brush your teeth, the change in the taste inside your mouth will help quiet that craving.
meats - chicken breast, fish, shrimp, steak - not filet mignon = fattening
Veggies - steamed
whole wheat bread
lean lunch meats, turkey mostly
hamburger = ground turkey
Soda = water, gatorade, tea, coffee
chips = tortillas with salsa

[Bioteknik]

if you're going to have steak, wouldn't you want the leanest cut of mean, i.e. a filet? I love ribeyes, but that's why I don't eat 'em that much because they're one of the worst cuts for you.

[Cambria]

gonna have to agree, a filet is the leanest cut of them all

[BuzzCat]

But that's the thing all these diet fads are just that, they will temporally have you lose the weight but eventually you put it back on. To maintain the weight you want you simply have to do an overhaul of your eating habits and choose the right foods daily.

Yeah, that was my point. It's not a temporary diet, it's a diet plan that teaches you how to overhaul your food life and eat correctly.

[Bioteknik]

yeah.. most of Shawn's suggestions would be something you'd find in the south beach diet, considering all the low fat items he named.

[Precious12]

you shouldnt have to follow anything with a trademarked name.

Just drink lots of water, switch up your cardio every once in a while so you don't plateau, consume lots of fruits and veggies and dont inhale a lot of carbs (fruit, rice, sugar (esp), breads and potatoes) and you should be golden.

refined sugar is evil.

Allow yourself to 'cheat' occasionally so you dont crave the bad things and gorge on them. like pop tarts and cheeseburger quesadillas n shit.

[BuzzCat]

Some people need a diet to get started, as something to follow or for food ideas besides what they usually eat that got them into trouble in the first place.

[Bioteknik]

well before it was a trademarked name, it was a plan devised by a cardiologist for people who needed to change their eating habits.

[ramz]

wasn't/isn't Atkins an MD?

[Bioteknik]

I believe so, it's a good idea in theory, but too many jacknuts go ahead and eat 50 slices of bacon to make up for no carbs.

[Shawn_E]

I believe so, it's a good idea in theory, but too many jacknuts go ahead and eat 50 slices of bacon to make up for no carbs.


That's the thing, you NEED carbs lol , especially men. I think a lot of people would be better off if they took a really GOOD look at their grocery list, then said ok, this this and this isn't healthy, so what is a good substitute that doesn't taste like cardboard but is healthy for me.

If you went down your list and did this, and did the research to come up with an answer if you were stomped by not knowing I think you would see your weight change for the better.

[Shawn_E]

wasn't/isn't Atkins an MD?


Yep he was a md.

[LilLemur416]

and I jog .....any suggestions?

I'm a little suprised that this hasn't come up yet... How much & how often do you jog? You may not be getting enough exercise to make a difference and just increasing the intensity a little could do the trick - but that depends on what you define as "jog" how often you go and how long/far you go each time. (ie - I know people who consider a moderate walk as "jogging")

[Methodus]

As suggest numerous times before in this forum, intake less calories than you burn. To find out how, calculate your BMR - http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

From there, calculate your daily caloric needs:
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/

Then divide that number by how many meals you eat per day (should be 5 to 6) and go!

And remember to eat clean, healthy foods. I also suggest at least a 40%/30%/30% mix of Protein/Carbohydrates/Fats respectively.

Protein is very important in your first meal of the day (although I'm guilty of violating that one), and Post workout (some say pre-workout as well).

More good information:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=16

[Methodus]

Also, do HIIT (High Impact Interval Training) cardio. Skip Jogging. If you like to run, sprint, walk, sprint, walk, etc.

[Shawn_E]

As suggest numerous times before in this forum, intake less calories than you burn. To find out how, calculate your BMR - http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

From there, calculate your daily caloric needs:
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/

Then divide that number by how many meals you eat per day (should be 5 to 6) and go!

And remember to eat clean, healthy foods. I also suggest at least a 40%/30%/30% mix of Protein/Carbohydrates/Fats respectively.

Protein is very important in your first meal of the day (although I'm guilty of violating that one), and Post workout (some say pre-workout as well).

More good information:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=16

:star:

[Precious12]

well before it was a trademarked name, it was a plan devised by a cardiologist for people who needed to change their eating habits.

everyone and their mom has a 'plan'.....legit or not.

[badkitty3804]

Some people need a diet to get started, as something to follow or for food ideas besides what they usually eat that got them into trouble in the first place.

"Some People" being the key part. But for the general public, it's just a distraction from what really needs to be done.

Women are at a higher risk of failing in maintaining health goals because we're more likely to go 100% from the beginning when it should be more of a transition in our lives. Think about it, how many women to you know that say "omg, I'm starting my diet tomorrow" and go from eating like crap to eating a tiny breakfast, salad and piece of chicken all day long? Destined to fail. Now if you slowly transition into something by replacing the crap slowly with healthly food, why bother with taking the stop of a diet that is eventually going to be ending one way or another?

It's the equivalent of going from being a couch potato to running a 20k marathon overnight. It's just not going to work out, you're either quit because it's too much or you will physically not be able to cope.

[Bioteknik]

everyone and their mom has a 'plan'.....legit or not.


Cardiologist>> Rayvnn

[Methodus]

clean food = complex carbohydrates (no refined shit, white bread, etc), whole grains, skip sugars, skip alcohol, skip hydrogenated oils, skip fructrose syrups, etc.

BTW - Trader Joes has some FREAKING AWESOME Meats/Poultry/Fish that come in individual servings ready for the oven. Last weekend I bought several things:

Chicken Breast w/ cranberry almond stuffing - 350cal per serving
Chicken Cordon Bleu chicken breast - ~300 cal
Pacific Flounder w/ Crab Meat stuffing (it was just so-so) - 310cal
Stuffed Salmon Belle Mer (fucking awesome!!!) - 340cal

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

BTW - Trader Joes has some FREAKING AWESOME Meats/Poultry/Fish that come in individual servings ready for the oven. Last weekend I bought several things:

Chicken Breast w/ cranberry almond stuffing - 350cal per serving
Chicken Cordon Bleu chicken breast - ~300 cal
Pacific Flounder w/ Crab Meat stuffing (it was just so-so) - 310cal
Stuffed Salmon Belle Mer (fucking awesome!!!) - 340cal


i love trader joes :affection:

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

I hear that new diet pill Alli is flying off the shelves. The side effects are so awesome. You get to poop your pants and have gas(w/possible poopage) at work.

NO WHITE PANTS FOR YOU!

http://www.newstarget.com/019387.html

so no different than normal...

SOLD!

seriously though, it's all a matter of what goes in vs. what gets burned off.

weight training is your best bet, and it WILL give you a better body. it takes YEARS to get huge like bodybuilders, so don't worry about that.

also, start eating better...no fast food, no alcohol(yeah, i said it, stfu), no fried foods...in fact, stop eating processed foods as a whole.

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

clean food = complex carbohydrates (no refined shit, white bread, etc), whole grains, skip sugars, skip alcohol, skip hydrogenated oils, skip fructrose syrups, etc.

BTW - Trader Joes has some FREAKING AWESOME Meats/Poultry/Fish that come in individual servings ready for the oven. Last weekend I bought several things:

Chicken Breast w/ cranberry almond stuffing - 350cal per serving
Chicken Cordon Bleu chicken breast - ~300 cal
Pacific Flounder w/ Crab Meat stuffing (it was just so-so) - 310cal
Stuffed Salmon Belle Mer (fucking awesome!!!) - 340cal

AND most of the stuff is made from unprocessed foods, is low in sodium other random chemicals...shit is damn tasty too.

[badkitty3804]

weight training is your best bet, and it WILL give you a better body. it takes YEARS to get huge like bodybuilders, so don't worry about that.

Listen to this man.

I used to buy into the really common belief that high weight circuit work would lead to big bulky man muscles on me, so I always did high rep/low weight work. Since I switched my sets up, I've seen MUCH more from my workouts.

P.S. - Resistance Pilates = <3

[FutonBunny]

Soda = gatorade


:confused: doesn't gatoraide have as much sugar as soda?

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

Listen to this man.

I used to buy into the really common belief that high weight circuit work would lead to big bulky man muscles on me, so I always did high rep/low weight work. Since I switched my sets up, I've seen MUCH more from my workouts.

P.S. - Resistance Pilates = <3

<3

can you post progress pics of your ass?

kthnx

[badkitty3804]

Gatorade at least helps you keep hydrated so it is a *bit* better.

Water FTW.

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

:confused: doesn't gatoraide have as much sugar as soda?

and as many calories too.

just drink water people.

[badkitty3804]

<3

can you post progress pics of your ass?

kthnx

Plurhaps....

I'm down to 110lbs and getting all kinds of rawr.

Not the badkitty ass, but the most recent pic:
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2989/starscapetm2.th.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=starscapetm2.jpg)

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

Plurhaps....

I'm down to 110lbs and getting all kinds of rawr.


i just realized that at optimal weight for me, i am still twice as heavy as you.

sweet jesus.

[Shawn_E]

Yep generally when you go grocery shopping, the aisle in the middle (frozen food areas) are horrible for you, stick to the aisles on the outside (produce, meats, etc)

[badkitty3804]

i just realized that at optimal weight for me, i am still twice as heavy as you.

sweet jesus.


:afterbuzz:

You could probably juggle me at this point. If you come back out this way soon or when I hit up LA/Cali, you must give me an airplane ride. I'll make laser sounds as you spin me around. :yes:

[Precious12]

Cardiologist>> Rayvnn


see all that isnt neccessary.

but i dont see how this 'plan' is any different than say the Food Pyramid or weight watchers. it's all about moderation and common sense.

[Shawn_E]

:confused: doesn't gatoraide have as much sugar as soda?


Hell no, and a not nearly as many calories-

Mountain dew = 170 calories and 46g of sugar!!!, and it has freakin high fructose corn syrup- avoid this shit like the plague.

Gatorade has 50 calories and 14g of sugar big difference.

[Precious12]

Hell no, and a not nearly as many calories-

Mountain dew = 170 calories and 46g of sugar!!!, and it has freakin high fructose corn syrup- avoid this shit like the plague.

Gatorade has 50 calories and 14g of sugar big difference.


***and electrolytes***

[FutonBunny]

Hell no, and a not nearly as many calories-

Mountain dew = 170 calories and 46g of sugar!!!, and it has freakin high fructose corn syrup- avoid this shit like the plague.

Gatorade has 50 calories and 14g of sugar big difference.

and the serving sizes are the same? huh :tmyk:

[ramz]

Glaceau Vitamin Water has been my drink of choice lately... love that stuff... :thumbsup:

[Precious12]

Glaceau Vitamin Water has been my drink of choice lately... love that stuff... :thumbsup:


:star: i drink it like its going out of style.

[Shawn_E]

and the serving sizes are the same? huh :tmyk:


Um there's more gatorade then mountain dew in the bottle but the dew is worse period, so I don't get what you are trying to say in this response? :toofless:

[FutonBunny]

Um there's more gatorade then mountain dew in the bottle but the dew is worse period, so I don't get what you are trying to say in this response? :toofless:

how many servings of each are in each bottle?

As in, if there are 3 servings of gatoraide in each bottle you'd have to multiply those numbers by 3 if you had a whole serving. Is a bottle of mountaindew one serving or 3?

I would look it up but I'm lazy

[Jenni XO]

I don't do diets anymore. All they make me want to do is eat what I'm telling myself I shouldn't be eating. And I eat relatively healthy to begin with.

I've just been cutting all my meals in half, except for dinner. Smaller dinners just make me feel like I'm starving in the morning, and I'll eat more at breakfast.

Breakfast is like half a bagel and some fruit.

Snacks lately have been bagel chips and hummus.

Lunch is like soup or some pasta.. sometimes a sandwich.

Dinner is usually some sort of meat with veggies, and probably something like rice.


I always weigh myself after a night of lots of activity [like going to a club or something], because I pretty much have little to no water weight.. because I tend to forget to drink water, etc., and dance just about the entire night. I weigh myself first thing in the morning, and I know what my actual weight is.. as opposed to weighing myself throughout the week, and getting pissed because I'm seeing my weight plus the water weight I'm carrying around.


Weight loss has been lacking lately tho. With all the traveling I've been doing this month, all I've had time to focus on is cleaning our place, getting all plans finalized, and then getting in the car and driving.


Next month I'll get back on track with going to the gym and riding again. June's been mad crazy for me.

[Precious12]

how many servings of each are in each bottle?

As in, if there are 3 servings of gatoraide in each bottle you'd have to multiply those numbers by 3 if you had a whole serving. Is a bottle of mountaindew one serving or 3?

I would look it up but I'm lazy

Gatorade:

Serving Size Cals Fat Carb Pro
1 cup, 8 fl oz 55 0 14 0
20 fl oz Bottle 140 0 28 0
32 fl oz Bottle 220 0 56 0


Coke:


Serving Size Cals Fat Carb
8 fl.oz Cup 100 0 25
12 fl. oz Can 150 0 37
20 fl.oz Bottle 250 0 63
1 litre Bottle 400 0 100
2 litre Bottle 800 0 200

[Cambria]

Glaceau Vitamin Water has been my drink of choice lately... love that stuff... :thumbsup:


loves it and i still oves me some propel

[BuzzCat]

clean food = complex carbohydrates (no refined shit, white bread, etc), whole grains, skip sugars, skip alcohol, skip hydrogenated oils, skip fructrose syrups, etc.

BTW - Trader Joes has some FREAKING AWESOME Meats/Poultry/Fish that come in individual servings ready for the oven. Last weekend I bought several things:

Chicken Breast w/ cranberry almond stuffing - 350cal per serving
Chicken Cordon Bleu chicken breast - ~300 cal
Pacific Flounder w/ Crab Meat stuffing (it was just so-so) - 310cal
Stuffed Salmon Belle Mer (fucking awesome!!!) - 340cal


We just did the same thing, and I bought that Stuffed salmon as well. I haven't tried it yet, but I will this week. I LOVE the prepared stuff. Last night I made a redleaf / spinach salad with peacans and feta on top to go with the pieces of fish I made.

God, now I'm starving.

[Shawn_E]

Gatorade:

Serving Size Cals Fat Carb Pro
1 cup, 8 fl oz 55 0 14 0
20 fl oz Bottle 140 0 28 0
32 fl oz Bottle 220 0 56 0


Coke:


Serving Size Cals Fat Carb
8 fl.oz Cup 100 0 25
12 fl. oz Can 150 0 37
20 fl.oz Bottle 250 0 63
1 litre Bottle 400 0 100
2 litre Bottle 800 0 200


hmm I wonder which one I would choose:
20 fl oz Bottle 140 0 28 0
gatorade

orrr


soda 20 fl.oz Bottle 250 0 63
0...

I rest my case

[BuzzCat]

see all that isnt neccessary.

but i dont see how this 'plan' is any different than say the Food Pyramid or weight watchers. it's all about moderation and common sense.


If people need a plan, to mentally be able to push through it, then that's ok.

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

Hell no, and a not nearly as many calories-

Mountain dew = 170 calories and 46g of sugar!!!, and it has freakin high fructose corn syrup- avoid this shit like the plague.

Gatorade has 50 calories and 14g of sugar big difference.

per SERVING

170 is one can, and one small bottle of gatorade has 2.5 servings in it, so it's more like 100 calories if you matched them up.

so yeah, they are both shite.

if you're gonna drink something to restore certain nutrients, take a protein shake...same amount of calories as a mountain dew, none of the sugar, also helps build muscle.

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

Plurhaps....

I'm down to 110lbs and getting all kinds of rawr.

Not the badkitty ass, but the most recent pic:
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2989/starscapetm2.th.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=starscapetm2.jpg)

i see we are showing our stomach proudly :)

[Bioteknik]

see all that isnt neccessary.

but i dont see how this 'plan' is any different than say the Food Pyramid or weight watchers. it's all about moderation and common sense.

huh? the same food pyramid that had refined grains as the staple?

[FutonBunny]

Gatorade:

Serving Size Cals Fat Carb Pro
1 cup, 8 fl oz 55 0 14 0
20 fl oz Bottle 140 0 28 0
32 fl oz Bottle 220 0 56 0


Coke:


Serving Size Cals Fat Carb
8 fl.oz Cup 100 0 25
12 fl. oz Can 150 0 37
20 fl.oz Bottle 250 0 63
1 litre Bottle 400 0 100
2 litre Bottle 800 0 200

Thank you, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

[Funshine]

huh? the same food pyramid that had refined grains as the staple?
They came out with a new one, apparently.

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

huh? the same food pyramid that had refined grains as the staple?

yeah, that one.

white bread for the...uh...loss?

1. don't trust your government on what to eat...the presidential fitness shit in the 80's was sponsored by mcdonalds.

2. dieting doesn't work, only eating the proper amount of food and either restricting or adding caloric intake for the desired result.

3. ravynn, i don't mean to be mean, but i've seen your pics and you are overweight(so am i, so wait a sec and read)...i've lost 30 or so pounds eating properly, with 90% of my info coming from www.bodybuilding.com in their nutrition section...they have people who have degrees out the ass and give nutritional advice for a living...every single one of them HATES the pyramid and prescribes the eating method of eating up to 6 meals a day, small portions, evenly spaced out with proper macro nutrients for each individual.

[BuzzCat]

huh? the same food pyramid that had refined grains as the staple?

They changed the pyramid many years ago. Your thinking of the ones from elementary school.

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

http://www.diet-blog.com/archives/2007/04/26/what_do_300_calorie_meals_look_like.php?page=4

[Precious12]

first of all john i'm not referring to the pyramid as what I go by. It was a simple reference. Second of all if you would like to pay to reduce these 38DDs that never went down from my pregnancy then go right ahead, I'll send you a thank you card. Sorry but i cant run those off. The information I provided to Ocean was simple and pretty sensible. It's my personal opinion if I don't go running out and buying every 'trademarked' product in order to do something that can be done w/common sense and moderation. end of discussion.

[oceanbreeze19]

nice advice people

[oceanbreeze19]

My weakness is that when I'm on the go with work and my after work activities that I stop at fast food places because I don't have the time to stop anywhere else..... HELP!!!!

[Shawn_E]

My weakness is that when I'm on the go with work and my after work activities that I stop at fast food places because I don't have the time to stop anywhere else..... HELP!!!!

Easy...BEFORE you are OUT on the go, make sure you PACK with you sensible items to eat so when you are on the GO, you eat HEALTHY.

Preparation met with dedication and a drive to do good = results!

[badkitty3804]

My weakness is that when I'm on the go with work and my after work activities that I stop at fast food places because I don't have the time to stop anywhere else..... HELP!!!!

There are plenty of healthy places you can stop that take just as much time - subway for example, and they even have more healthy sides. And fast food places nowadays have healthy options on the menu so that they don't lose the entire health conscious community from walking in, assuming of course that you have the willpower to see the crappy food and still choose healthy.

Not a valid reason for being unhealthy. :nono:

[Bioteknik]

They changed the pyramid many years ago. Your thinking of the ones from elementary school.

Well it was 2 years ago and still has grains as the largest group, but considering that the guy created the diet in the 80's I believe, it is a good comparison. He thought up the diet through lots of research on how certain food raises blood sugar because the USDA reccomendations of a high carb/low fat diet just weren't working for people in the long term.

white bread raises your blood sugar just as fast, if not faster than a candy bar.

[Shawn_E]

I can't even stomach white bread anymore, it's funny that your taste really is conditioned, and people don't realize that.

If you are truly against healthy food the best thing is to just submit to the "Torture" and adjust, soon you'll wonder why you were ever a slave to honey buns

[Methodus]

I don't do diets anymore. All they make me want to do is eat what I'm telling myself I shouldn't be eating. And I eat relatively healthy to begin with.


Increase the amount of meals you eat. If you eat 6 meals a day, trust me, you wont ever be hungry. The key is to never get that hungry feeling, but never get a full feeling either. Calculate your BMR/daily caloric needs, subtract 500 (if trying to lose weight), and divide by how many meals per day (5 or 6). If you eat those many calories every 3 hours 6 times a day, you will never feel hungry or full.

[Shawn_E]

Coffee is a great appetite suppressant, know you are going to get a candy bar when you get to the counter of the store? Then grab a power bar instead - tips for the day

[Methodus]

My weakness is that when I'm on the go with work and my after work activities that I stop at fast food places because I don't have the time to stop anywhere else..... HELP!!!!

Plan ahead... there's no excuse to eat fast food ;-)

When I'm on the go, and I don't have time to make myself a meal, that's when I typically just have a protein shake.

This is by far the best protein shake I've ever had, and it's affordable. 10 lbs for $55 or something from Optimum Nutrition:
http://www.supplementcentral.com/products/optimum_nutrition/optimum_nutrition_100_whey_protein_gold_standard_10lb_bag

When you first start it, a real good mixture is 8oz of Milk to two scoops of protein mix. The milk has protein too so that adds up to about 56g of protein and ~ 350 calories.

As I've gotten used to it, and I've tried to cut milk from the diet, I do 8 oz of water & 3 scoops of protein mix which totals 72g of protein and 360 calories.

[Methodus]

The 6 inch turkey on wheat at subway has like 360 calories as long as you exclude mayo, and other dressings.

[Precious12]

Coffee is a great appetite suppressant, know you are going to get a candy bar when you get to the counter of the store? Then grab a power bar instead - tips for the day


Coffee also dehydrates you as well so definitely consume an adequate amount of water.

[Funshine]

The 6 inch turkey on wheat at subway has like 360 calories as long as you exclude mayo, and other dressings.
I always get the club on wheat and then add on lettuce, onions, green peppers, cucumbers, vinegar, oregano, and black pepper.

Heavenly.


OMG. I want one for lunch today.

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

I always get the club on wheat and then add on lettuce, onions, green peppers, cucumbers, vinegar, oregano, and black pepper.

Heavenly.


OMG. I want one for lunch today.


mmm i always get the italian bmt and lots of mayo and spicey mustard...:drool: omg my mouth is watering

[Funshine]

And people say Quiznos is better. PFFFT, I say, PFFT!

[Methodus]

Quiznos is better. Just not as healthy, which is probably why.

[Funshine]

I dunno.. the past two times I've had Quiznos, it's made me sick.



Don't mind me, I'm just a hater.

[Methodus]

Quiznos also won't release their nutrition information -- pretty lame.

[housecat]

http://www.dietfacts.com/search.asp?searchkey=quiznos&page=2

It says Australia but I can't imagine them being much different than the sammiches at US Quizno's.

Did you know Quizno's serves breakfast? I didn't. Just noticed it on their site but it looks kinda gross. They're sub sammiches and it just doesn't look right. Muffin's or stfu.

[oh no its nick]

Increase the amount of meals you eat. If you eat 6 meals a day, trust me, you wont ever be hungry. The key is to never get that hungry feeling, but never get a full feeling either. Calculate your BMR/daily caloric needs, subtract 500 (if trying to lose weight), and divide by how many meals per day (5 or 6). If you eat those many calories every 3 hours 6 times a day, you will never feel hungry or full.

Amen. The diet I'm on now is 6 meals a day and I'm never hungry...in fact I consistently feel full...but even though I am technically eating -more- and feeling full all the time I'm actually getting way, way leaner. Then again the diet is not for everyone :FUBAR:

meal 1

3 eggwhites 1 yolk
3/4 cup oatmeal 1% milk
three scoops whey

meal2

can of tuna
1/2 cup rice
light italian dressing(olive oil)

meal 3

6-8oz chicken
1/2 cup green beans
4 tbsp peanut butter
three scoops whey


meal 4

1 can of tuna
1/2 cup rice
light italian (olive oil)

train

meal 5

2 scoops whey, 1 gatorade

meal 6

6-8oz sirloin or steak
large dinner salad with red wine vinegar/olive oil

comes out to around a 3604cal/89fat/340carb/355protein macro

[Methodus]

http://www.dietfacts.com/search.asp?searchkey=quiznos&page=2

It says Australia but I can't imagine them being much different than the sammiches at US Quizno's.

Did you know Quizno's serves breakfast? I didn't. Just noticed it on their site but it looks kinda gross. They're sub sammiches and it just doesn't look right. Muffin's or stfu.

It's different. Also, the regular in Austrailia is apparently the U.S. small. But why would trust those numbers? They are so reluctant to release the US numbers which leads me not to believe that the Austrailian ones are comparable.

[Methodus]

Amen. The diet I'm on now is 6 meals a day and I'm never hungry...in fact I consistently feel full...but even though I am technically eating -more- and feeling full all the time I'm actually getting way, way leaner. Then again the diet is not for everyone :FUBAR:

meal 1

3 eggwhites 1 yolk
3/4 cup oatmeal 1% milk
three scoops whey

meal2

can of tuna
1/2 cup rice
light italian dressing(olive oil)

meal 3

6-8oz chicken
1/2 cup green beans
4 tbsp peanut butter
three scoops whey


meal 4

1 can of tuna
1/2 cup rice
light italian (olive oil)

train

meal 5

2 scoops whey, 1 gatorade

meal 6

6-8oz sirloin or steak
large dinner salad with red wine vinegar/olive oil

comes out to around a 3604cal/89fat/340carb/355protein macro

Damn that's a lot of calories! You must be huge. Right now I'm doing 1800-2400 per day. Are you bulking?

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

comes out to around a 3604cal/89fat/340carb/355protein macro


if ure trying to lose weight shouldnt you be consuming far less than 3604 calories :elad:

[housecat]

Touche. Our portions when eating out in the States is insane compared to other countries. My mom and her man went to Madrid a couple years ago. They'd go out to dinner and her hubby would still be hungry and want to go out to eat again! LOL. He's a big guy and so used to eating more so he wasn't used to it. Soda cans were smaller there too.

[housecat]

if ure trying to lose weight shouldnt you be consuming far less than 3604 calories :elad:
Not if he's super active and used to eat a LOT more than that. I think.

[Methodus]

if ure trying to lose weight shouldnt you be consuming far less than 3604 calories :elad:

He might not be trying to lose, or maybe he's 8 ft tall. I'm betting on bulking.

[Cambria]

Coffee is a great appetite suppressant, know you are going to get a candy bar when you get to the counter of the store? Then grab a power bar instead - tips for the day


coffee also works a diaretic and laxative....

i'm getting to know the laxative part quite well...everymorning between 8:40 and 10

[oh no its nick]

if ure trying to lose weight shouldnt you be consuming far less than 3604 calories

Honestly, for guys 3600 isn't that high. My training partner for instance takes in about ~5100cals a day and it still takes him a while to grow. Another guy I've trained with takes in around 3500 to lose weight/lean down before competitions. Other friends I have only need 2300 to gain weight. Everyone's maintenance level varies.

I'm not big, I'm 5'10"ish and 190, but as far as my maintenance caloric intake goes, I maintain weight at around 3200 calories a day. I can get away with lots of carbs because I'm very active (road biking + farmers walks weekly) and I basically bumped up the maintenance level to slowly try and bulk. I'm also still young and can get away with the high carbs too, just because my body is as active as it'll ever get.

Man do I miss buffalo wings :(

Damn that's a lot of calories! You must be huge. Right now I'm doing 1800-2400 per day. Are you bulking?

I was 5'10" 140 a year ago so I've definitely made some progress, but in my head I'm still a skinny punk brat. So nah, I don't think I'm huge at all. I could post a progress pic or two but I'd need to track em down (at work now). I wish I could take in 2400 a day and grow, eating all the time like this gets rough certain days :raven:

Not if he's super active and used to eat a LOT more than that. I think.

Yeah, last summer I ate about 4500 a day, lots of junk too...did the trick for gaining weight but I got a bit chubby, had to stop around 180 and diet down to 170 for several months until I started dieting the right way again to slowly put on LBM.

[oh no its nick]

I forgot to add that the reason I posted that diet up as an example is that the threadstarter said they wanted to flatten their tummy, etc...losing weight won't necessarily do that, but reducing bodyfat will, and the way to do that is via a clean diet. The diet is also a good example of foods to take in...you could cut it in half or remove the things like PB and whey shakes and it'd easily reduce to a 2000/day diet

[Bioteknik]

I like the peanut butter with chicken meal, sounds grrrrreat!!

[oh no its nick]

I like the peanut butter with chicken meal, sounds grrrrreat!!

haha i eat those separately...together...ugh

the rice + tuna + light oil/balsamic dressing is actually goddamn delicious, it's the one meal in there I don't get sick of

[Methodus]

Ok, so you are bulking... i'm cutting, which his why my intake is so much lower.

[oh no its nick]

Ok, so you are bulking... i'm cutting, which his why my intake is so much lower.

yep, pretty much

when i cut i go on around 2200-2500...it's easier on the supermarket bills for sure :cross:

[Shawn_E]

coffee also works a diaretic and laxative....

i'm getting to know the laxative part quite well...everymorning between 8:40 and 10


:poop: :uhhok: :afterbuzz:

[ransom]

Man do I miss buffalo wings :(

"Excuse me sir, but where exactly are you parked?"

I like the peanut butter with chicken meal, sounds grrrrreat!!

Sounds almost like satay actually.

[Shawn_E]

when using www.peapod.com, not only does it just kick ass because you don't have to go to the grocery store, it helps you from impulse buying because you take the time to create your grocery list without the temptation of food around you.

Plus, with that said list you can count the calories for meals, etc and know exactly what you are eating. /free tip

[badkitty3804]

NEVER go to the market hungry.

omg. some of the weird ass food combos you end up with...lol.

I did it once a while ago and came home with likw tofu, huge jar of deli pickles, chocolate milk and popsicles. Then had the worst time figuring out what to make for dinner.

[Shawn_E]

NEVER go to the market hungry.

omg. some of the weird ass food combos you end up with...lol.

I did it once a while ago and came home with likw tofu, huge jar of deli pickles, chocolate milk and popsicles. Then had the worst time figuring out what to make for dinner.


:afterbuzz: :swoon:

[oh no its nick]

"Excuse me sir, but where exactly are you parked?"

"Wing Zone" http://smiliesftw.com/x/wtcrun.gif

[Shawn_E]

I soo want this exercise equipment for my garage and I want to look like my boy John stone

http://www.johnstonefitness.com/php/homegym.php

Seriously if you want motivation and advice check his page out

the guy went from

http://www.johnstonefitness.com/all/front/1.jpg to
http://www.johnstonefitness.com/all/front/1608.jpg

on his own because he got fed up.

[badkitty3804]

My home gym:

http://www.badbacks.com.au/images/products/RepBandGreen_180.jpg
http://www.pilatesfitness.co.uk/pics/anti_burst_balls.jpg
http://images.shopping.msn.com/img/6/2991/80/17734817.jpg
http://www.cheahfitness.com/images/p53d.jpg

:affection:

[Big McLargeHuge]

My home gym:



http://images.shopping.msn.com/img/6/2991/80/17734817.jpg


:affection:

just got two of those last night, two ten pound hard balls like that to add to my collection of medicine balls. those things, the hard rubber ones, i got two so i could do pushups on them, and for one arm throws. best thing you can do, those pushups, works the hell out of your stabalizer muscles as the balls are trying to roll every which way while you do your pushups, and you go down between them

[badkitty3804]

Holy crap they're expensive.

I really like the Nike ones though, the grip and textured surface is awesome.

[oh no its nick]

Holy crap they're expensive.

I really like the Nike ones though, the grip and textured surface is awesome.

great for tricking friends too with a nice toss in their direction - "Nobody knows this kickball looking thing weighs 10lbs until it's too late"

[CareBear]

1200 Calories a Day
64 Oz X2 of water before 12:00Noon
64 Oz X2 of water by 6:00pm
No eatting after 7pm (within 4 hours of sleep)
30 mintues of extra exercise everyday.

Best advice ever given to me!

[Cambria]

1200 Calories a Day
64 Oz X2 of water before 12:00Noon
64 Oz X2 of water by 6:00pm
No eatting after 7pm (within 4 hours of sleep)
30 mintues of extra exercise everyday.

Best advice ever given to me!


i would be peeing ALL day and night



oh and ps


I WANT A BEAN

http://www.harrietcarter.com/resources/harrietCarter/images/products/processed/6696.zoom.a.jpg

[Bioteknik]

yikes.. 1200 calories.. sounds like starvation

[Bioteknik]

neat link I found from harvard school of public health

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html

which is basically validating a large portion of the 'plan' called the south beach diet, only 20 years afterwards.

[Shawn_E]

yikes.. 1200 calories.. sounds like starvation


That basically is considering your body uses just about that amount to have your organs function :wtf:

[Shawn_E]

great for tricking friends too with a nice toss in their direction - "Nobody knows this kickball looking thing weighs 10lbs until it's too late"


that made me el oh el :traviswork: :whack: