breaks in the northeast...

[daniella downs]

i got the quote from the bang/whistle thread. it just got me thinking about how little parties around you all, and north especially cater to breaks fans.

and i just want to vent some more.


and we want to see "The Return of Boo" this year for real, come on Local 13


why, so they can book the same damn house/techno/dnb/hardcore/trance lineup that every party north of dc does?

you know the thing that baffles me?

people move 3000 miles away to get decent breaks lineups, and it still doesnt show others that they should have just been booking decent breaks all along.

i know i personally would not have thought about moving if the mid/north east wasnt complete crap (for the most part, other than a select few) for breaks.

so yeah, get ready for your adam x, and your pleasurehead, and your icey, and your blah- blah-stuck-in-a-timewarp-rave-lineup-blah

[imabagel]

so... hows the west coast treatin' ya?

[dj intreeg]

Corey Haim for president 2008.

[TsunamiOne]

tell us how you really feel!

[daniella downs]

so... hows the west coast treatin' ya?


dude.

i'm saying this not to make sf sound better than dc, but honestly because it's true -

so far here, i have seen -

blim
kid blue
atomic hooligan
plaza de funk
nick thayer
lee coombs
keith mackenzie
simply jeff

i have missed (because i was doing something else, or just didnt go out) -

the freestylers
bassnectar
bassbin twins
krafty kuts
meat katie
deekline
drumattic twins
myagi
dylan rhymes
stabilizer
soul of man
rogue element
30hz
elite force (although i'm going to see him on thursday)

and that's just breaks/techfunky stuff.

keep in mind that i've only been here since february.

sf kills it for breaks mid/head liners.

Corey Haim for president 2008.


no lie on that one.


tell us how you really feel!

i dunno man. i just don't understand it.

[Abduction]

and as bad as it is in DC - it's even worse in other big cities

[psion's gate]

my prediction is that you'll see me out your way within 1 year.

[psion's gate]

I think you could also chalk it up to the backwardsness of the northeast rave scene. People seem rarely able to get excited about something new or unique or innovative or interesting; which is IMO where breaks leads the pack. There's no surprise to me that even where breaks are prominent here (DC, VA, and Bmore), the sound relies heavily on sounding like DNB or upon mimicking electro. I have nothing against these influences, and often like a variety, but I think it shows that folks are stuck in those modes around here. There's no risk taking in bookings. There's no developing and exposing new artists. (with complete respect and exception of Essential Breaks and 5 Spot).

[kindofblue272]

SF huh? :chin:

[Abduction]

Not that I don't agree with Ian's points but we've had these DJ's in our area over the past year:


lee coombs
keith mackenzie X 3 (in August)
simply jeff

bassbin twins X 2
krafty kuts X 2 (in July)
deekline X 2
myagi
rogue element
30hz

While not great, it isn't the same repeat of Baby Anne/Icey

[psion's gate]

experiment:
Everyone go to www.bijoubreaks.com, events section, and count how many breaks parties are happening this month in SF or LA or in between.

I mean, Freaky Chakra played two weeks ago. I used to love their shit, and have NEVER seen them around here. Legends. Atomic Hooligan at Mighty. Jnr Hacksaw and Phat Conductor in SF. June 1st was Bassnectar, Cut Chemist, Glitch Mob, An-tan-ae, and tons more. JEEBUS.

Now look at events over here. Northeast.
Icey, Feeland, um...that's about it.

[beth]

dude.

i'm saying this not to make sf sound better than dc, but honestly because it's true -

so far here, i have seen -

blim
kid blue
atomic hooligan
plaza de funk
nick thayer
lee coombs
keith mackenzie
simply jeff

i have missed (because i was doing something else, or just didnt go out) -

the freestylers
bassnectar
bassbin twins
krafty kuts
meat katie
deekline
drumattic twins
myagi
dylan rhymes
stabilizer
soul of man
rogue element
30hz
elite force (although i'm going to see him on thursday)

and that's just breaks/techfunky stuff.

keep in mind that i've only been here since february.

sf kills it for breaks mid/head liners.



:crying2:

[Funshine]

my prediction is that you'll see me out your way within 1 year.
I was planning on moving to SF a little over two/two and a half years ago... and this weekend I started to seriously consider it again.

[psion's gate]

Not that I don't agree with Ian's points but we've had these DJ's in our area over the past year:


lee coombs
keith mackenzie X 3 (in August)
simply jeff

bassbin twins X 2
krafty kuts X 2 (in July)
deekline X 2
myagi
rogue element
30hz

While not great, it isn't the same repeat of Baby Anne/Icey

Sure. Agreed. Except there are no real surprises there besides maybe 30 hz or myagi. In fact, I believe Myagi's gig in Bmore was cancelled. Also, like I said with respect to Essential Breaks and 5 Spot...

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

dude.

i'm saying this not to make sf sound better than dc, but honestly because it's true -

so far here, i have seen -

blim
kid blue
atomic hooligan
plaza de funk
nick thayer
lee coombs
keith mackenzie
simply jeff

i have missed (because i was doing something else, or just didnt go out) -

the freestylers
bassnectar
bassbin twins
krafty kuts
meat katie
deekline
drumattic twins
myagi
dylan rhymes
stabilizer
soul of man
rogue element
30hz
elite force (although i'm going to see him on thursday)

and that's just breaks/techfunky stuff.

keep in mind that i've only been here since february.

sf kills it for breaks mid/head liners.




no lie on that one.




i dunno man. i just don't understand it.

"sf kills it for breaks mid/head liners."

shit, SF kills it for everything, from DnB to Techno as well. And random parties, street festivals, shit to get in to when you don't feel like drinking, shit loads of fun ass dive bars, etc...

and it's not that the scenes here are bigger, it's that they have variety...i STILL haven't seen the same headliner ONCE since i've been out here.

[Abduction]

I agree Josh, but DC (can't speak for b-more) has a huge venue issue...club owners are not going to take a chance on a experimental or "new" sound for a breaks DJ when they are guaranteed money by booking the same shit month in and month out.

Trust me, I would love to book all the DJs Ian has mentioned but I have 350 person max venue and $2,000.00 booking limit so that pretty much negates 75% of bookings out there.

Plus, if I ever try to charge $10 for an event all the bamas out there will bitch and complain (sorry, /rant on bamas). I'd feel like a tard if I booked a Mass Transit for Meat Katie or whomever and we only had 80-90 people there.

For me personally, I would love to book James Lauer or Timothy Heit but a. most people have never heard of them b. I'm tired of losing money. [both are prog DJs, don't worry about it :)]

[psion's gate]

I was planning on moving to SF a little over two/two and a half years ago... and this weekend I started to seriously consider it again.

Our whole crew is looking into it, and looking into warehouses as well ;)

In fact, there's about 10 times more work available in the Bay area for what I do (event managment, brand promotion, concert prodution etc...) Looking on Craigslist is enlightening really. The list is long and diverse: Meyer sound, Swank audio, Classic party rentals...

[Funshine]

Our whole crew is looking into it, and looking into warehouses as well ;)

In fact, there's about 10 times more work available in the Bay area for what I do (event managment, brand promotion, concert prodution etc...) Looking on Craigslist is enlightening really. The list is long and diverse: Meyer sound, Swank audio, Classic party rentals...
My job actually has an office out in SF already, so at the very least I know it'll be pretty easy to transfer out there and still have a job!

It just seems like that sort of area is more my speed.

And good luck to both you and your entire crew!!!

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

Our whole crew is looking into it, and looking into warehouses as well ;)

In fact, there's about 10 times more work available in the Bay area for what I do (event managment, brand promotion, concert prodution etc...) Looking on Craigslist is enlightening really. The list is long and diverse: Meyer sound, Swank audio, Classic party rentals...

if you need any info on real estate other than CL, hit me up...about 1/10 of the shit out here is on there.

[psion's gate]

I agree Josh, but DC (can't speak for b-more) has a huge venue issue...club owners are not going to take a chance on a experimental or "new" sound for a breaks DJ when they are guaranteed money by booking the same shit month in and month out.

Trust me, I would love to book all the DJs Ian has mentioned but I have 350 person max venue and $2,000.00 booking limit so that pretty much negates 75% of bookings out there.

Plus, if I ever try to charge $10 for an event all the bamas out there will bitch and complain (sorry, /rant on bamas). I'd feel like a tard if I booked a Mass Transit for Meat Katie or whomever and we only had 80-90 people there.

For me personally, I would love to book James Lauer or Timothy Heit but a. most people have never heard of them b. I'm tired of losing money. [both are prog DJs, don't worry about it :)]

No doubt that these are issues everywhere. 10 bucks is not alot if the production is good and the music kicks ass. I hate it when I have to pay alot and it's for nothing! ha. The key to this area is in finding venues that are NOT clubs. People flock in groves when there is an alternative to expensive bar tabs, asshole security, and early closing times.

[Funshine]

if you need any info on real estate other than CL, hit me up...about 1/10 of the shit out here is on there.
May I do this as well? It's a little ways off, but I should know in about a year exactly what my plan is :yes:

[psion's gate]

You know what it is???

THE SHITTY WEATHER. period.

[daniella downs]

Sure. Agreed. Except there are no real surprises there besides maybe 30 hz or myagi. In fact, I believe Myagi's gig in Bmore was cancelled. Also, like I said with respect to Essential Breaks and 5 Spot...


and the sad thing, is that i had a part in both of those.

and yeah, the other myagi gig was cancelled.

buzzlife/sonar will bring in BIG people, but honestly, the only person bringing in mid/mid-head level talent through that area is randy.

[daniella downs]

I agree Josh, but DC (can't speak for b-more) has a huge venue issue...club owners are not going to take a chance on a experimental or "new" sound for a breaks DJ when they are guaranteed money by booking the same shit month in and month out.

Trust me, I would love to book all the DJs Ian has mentioned but I have 350 person max venue and $2,000.00 booking limit so that pretty much negates 75% of bookings out there.

Plus, if I ever try to charge $10 for an event all the bamas out there will bitch and complain (sorry, /rant on bamas). I'd feel like a tard if I booked a Mass Transit for Meat Katie or whomever and we only had 80-90 people there.

For me personally, I would love to book James Lauer or Timothy Heit but a. most people have never heard of them b. I'm tired of losing money. [both are prog DJs, don't worry about it :)]

see tho -

i'd pay 10 dollars for someone i really wanted to see.

shit, i paid 15 for atomic hooligan.

i realize not everyone is like that, tho. and knowing what you all are doing coming up, give is rockin it.

[Abduction]

I lived in SF from 2001-2002 and my Dad and Stepmom still live out there - I honestly loved the Bay Area but I couldn't stand the work environment or ethic out there. Being a jaded East Coast person who was very career minded at the time, the sooner I left SV, the sooner I was able to nail down a better job. Out there I was a dime a dozen.


Still, my goal is to end up there eventually...

[psion's gate]

see tho -

i'd pay 10 dollars for someone i really wanted to see.

shit, i paid 15 for atomic hooligan.

i realize not everyone is like that, tho. and knowing what you all are doing coming up, give is rockin it.

I'm the same way. I have no problem paying for a good show. I payed 20 to see Coldcut a ways back.

[psion's gate]

I lived in SF from 2001-2002 and my Dad and Stepmom still live out there - I honestly loved the Bay Area but I couldn't stand the work environment or ethic out there. Being a jaded East Coast person who was very career minded at the time, the sooner I left SV, the sooner I was able to nail down a better job. Out there I was a dime a dozen.


Still, my goal is to end up there eventually...

what is it that you do?

[psion's gate]

Dude, ILM is hiring for a production coordinator. DREAM JOB right there.

[psion's gate]

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/tfr/352339246.html

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

Dude, ILM is hiring for a production coordinator. DREAM JOB right there.

ILM is always hiring, as is skywalker sound...they will lay your ass off though once the project is done, but it looks damn good on the resume...out by the airport though there are a ton of video game companies hiring all sorts of positions, but really require a car to get to.

There is a ton of shit in this city, and once im done with my MCSE, im switching careers asap.

[Muramasa]

Apparently Krystle may get worker's comp for her hands, so we'll have some extra money. She'll be able to quit her job and finish her degree, and then we'll be in moving mode once we have the money. I'd absolutely *love* to live in an area where booking 2nd and 3rd tier headliners is less of a gamble, there's a stronger viral market, and you don't have to be the one booking an act for them to come through. The graphic arts schools out in San Fran and Pasadena seem to be pretty awesome as well, so Krystle is gung ho about it. Ian, I may be hitting you up for guest lists sooner than you think.

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

No doubt that these are issues everywhere. 10 bucks is not alot if the production is good and the music kicks ass. I hate it when I have to pay alot and it's for nothing! ha. The key to this area is in finding venues that are NOT clubs. People flock in groves when there is an alternative to expensive bar tabs, asshole security, and early closing times.

out here there are bar tending services that have their own liquor license and can supply it for your event. I know they allow roaming licenses in DC, VA and MD, so there has to be services that allow it.

There are a shit ton of public and private use venues that aren't being utilized...in D.C., all anyone is looking at is the clubs that are opening and catering to a dance music crowd and i damn well know there are other places to hold shit.

One other thing i noticed out here is that promoters hit the college campuses hard, they also hit downtown spots during the day, night clubs that don't cater to their music and the like...they don't waste time promoting to people who already know what the fuck is up :)

[Abduction]

what is it that you do?

I was/am a Network Engineer and unless I wanted to work in San Jose at Cisco or pretend that I was from India or Pakistan - I wasn't getting a job that paid well. My apartment in Embarcadero was ok priced but I knew I was there only temporary (I was married at the time and my ex-wife was ready to leave).

Anyways...that whole work scene has changed so I probably would do a lot better there now.

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

I was/am a Network Engineer and unless I wanted to work in San Jose at Cisco or pretend that I was from India or Pakistan - I wasn't getting a job that paid well. My apartment in Embarcadero was ok priced but I knew I was there only temporary (I was married at the time and my ex-wife was ready to leave).

Anyways...that whole work scene has changed so I probably would do a lot better there now.

yes you will :)

if you're microsoft based, you can find any job you want in the financial district alone, not to mention all of the start-ups in SOMA or even some of the larger places out in the east bay(BART accesible)

average pay for an MCSE is about 75k out here...cisco is even more and in even higher demand.

[daniella downs]

Apparently Krystle may get worker's comp for her hands, so we'll have some extra money. She'll be able to quit her job and finish her degree, and then we'll be in moving mode once we have the money. I'd absolutely *love* to live in an area where booking 2nd and 3rd tier headliners is less of a gamble, there's a stronger viral market, and you don't have to be the one booking an act for them to come through. The graphic arts schools out in San Fran and Pasadena seem to be pretty awesome as well, so Krystle is gung ho about it. Ian, I may be hitting you up for guest lists sooner than you think.


wicked!


honestly, at the end of the day, i want the same thing i've always wanted.

for more people in the mid/north east area to be exposed to awesome breaks talent.

[Funshine]

Apparently Krystle may get worker's comp for her hands, so we'll have some extra money. She'll be able to quit her job and finish her degree, and then we'll be in moving mode once we have the money. I'd absolutely *love* to live in an area where booking 2nd and 3rd tier headliners is less of a gamble, there's a stronger viral market, and you don't have to be the one booking an act for them to come through. The graphic arts schools out in San Fran and Pasadena seem to be pretty awesome as well, so Krystle is gung ho about it. Ian, I may be hitting you up for guest lists sooner than you think.
ZOMG! San Fran anime party FTW!

[JacobDaniel]

for more people in the mid/north east area to be exposed to awesome breaks talent.

I agree with this %100. Even when club audio aka the valley center starting doing bigger events, it wasn't the same shit all the time. Within 2 or 3 months there, I saw Sharaz, Spice, Brad Smith, Keith Mackenzie, Monk, Icey, Knightlife, and a shit load of other awesome breaks DJs!!

[Abduction]

yes you will :)

if you're microsoft based, you can find any job you want in the financial district alone, not to mention all of the start-ups in SOMA or even some of the larger places out in the east bay(BART accesible)

average pay for an MCSE is about 75k out here...cisco is even more and in even higher demand.


I have my CCIE (written) and CISSP and the pay scale I'm looking for is a bit higher than what you've mentioned...trust me, I look every week and the scale from what I make here in DC is VERY comparable to what I would make out there.

Anyways...

I'm just waiting for the right moment...but even with that, DC has grown on me so I think I'm going to stick it out here for a while.

[Muramasa]

ZOMG! San Fran anime party FTW!

We have to get DC out of the way first! :P

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

I have my CCIE (written) and CISSP and the pay scale I'm looking for is a bit higher than what you've mentioned...trust me, I look every week and the scale from what I make here in DC is VERY comparable to what I would make out there.

Anyways...

I'm just waiting for the right moment...but even with that, DC has grown on me so I think I'm going to stick it out here for a while.

more power to ya... then definitely check out the things i posted above about the roaming liquor licenses and the like and alternate venues...when not dealing with club owners, you'll find you have the ability to make your money back in spades.

[DjLantern]

Not that I don't agree with Ian's points but we've had these DJ's in our area over the past year:


lee coombs
keith mackenzie X 3 (in August)
simply jeff

bassbin twins X 2
krafty kuts X 2 (in July)
deekline X 2
myagi
rogue element
30hz

While not great, it isn't the same repeat of Baby Anne/Icey

Within the past year or so 5 spot has also had

Aquasky
Ed209
DJ Mondo

I think a few others I can't remember

[cleophite]

dude.

i'm saying this not to make sf sound better than dc, but honestly because it's true -

so far here, i have seen -

blim
kid blue
atomic hooligan
plaza de funk
nick thayer
lee coombs
keith mackenzie
simply jeff

i have missed (because i was doing something else, or just didnt go out) -

the freestylers
bassnectar
bassbin twins
krafty kuts
meat katie
deekline
drumattic twins
myagi
dylan rhymes
stabilizer
soul of man
rogue element
30hz
elite force (although i'm going to see him on thursday)

and that's just breaks/techfunky stuff.

keep in mind that i've only been here since february.

sf kills it for breaks mid/head liners.




no lie on that one.




i dunno man. i just don't understand it.
Yeah, I have to agree with you, I've only been in LA for 3 weeks and the lineups here have so much more variety. I may actually get to see several of those acts before the end of the year.

[Funshine]

We have to get DC out of the way first! :P
A reunion party, then :yes:


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[daniella downs]

Within the past year or so 5 spot has also had

Aquasky
Ed209
DJ Mondo

I think a few others I can't remember


randy is not included in this rant. either are the boston breaks kids...cuz they do push breaks lineups. honestly, any crew mainly geared towards breaks is excluded from this rant.

this is more directed at shit like local 13, and whoever else from virginia all the way to ny.

[daniella downs]

Yeah, I have to agree with you, I've only been in LA for 3 weeks and the lineups here have so much more variety. I may actually get to see several of those acts before the end of the year.


i am sure you will.

and you all better come see me when i play at a bijou event in LA.

there's no date for that yet, but there will be.

[daniella downs]

later this year we plan on bringing through, or assisting with bringing through the likes of flore, kickflip, and no hands just to start off.

west coast breakbeat massive yay.

you will love it here charly and lauren.

and lil lauren, how are you and j liking la? have you run into beth phares yet?

[psion's gate]

ah, see I'm not extremely interested in working at a desk or on a computer. In fact, I loathe it. I'm into off-site production of events, trade shows, concerts, A/V, Decor, Corporate marketing, etc... That industry is strong and growing, especially in that region.

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

ah, see I'm not extremely interested in working at a desk or on a computer. In fact, I loathe it. I'm into off-site production of events, trade shows, concerts, A/V, Decor, Corporate marketing, etc... That industry is strong and growing, especially in that region.

yeah it is...lots and lots of work out here in that. A lot of regional touring companies, in house positions, etc. are based in the city and in Oakland.

Infact, the pay out here is pretty decent for people doing that, much better than DC

[DjLantern]

randy is not included in this rant. either are the boston breaks kids...cuz they do push breaks lineups. honestly, any crew mainly geared towards breaks is excluded from this rant.

this is more directed at shit like local 13, and whoever else from virginia all the way to ny.

oh hmmmmmm

baby anne for the win!

lol

:urinal:

[JacobDaniel]

oh hmmmmmm

baby anne for the win!

lol

:urinal:

OMG, I think me and you were in the middle of a conversation when she was at five the last time and she hit pause on the cdj. That shit was hilarious.

[cleophite]

later this year we plan on bringing through, or assisting with bringing through the likes of flore, kickflip, and no hands just to start off.

west coast breakbeat massive yay.

you will love it here charly and lauren.

and lil lauren, how are you and j liking la? have you run into beth phares yet?So far, we love the west coast. Better weather, better food, better music :)

We haven't met up with Beth yet, but I am sure we will once she gets done with moving, etc. We have already decided we have to go shopping.

[cleophite]

i am sure you will.

and you all better come see me when i play at a bijou event in LA.

there's no date for that yet, but there will be.
Um, hell yes, that sounds like a plan. Shoot me a PM or email when you have details!

[brian hinson]

Not that I don't agree with Ian's points but we've had these DJ's in our area over the past year:


lee coombs
keith mackenzie X 3 (in August)
simply jeff

bassbin twins X 2
krafty kuts X 2 (in July)
deekline X 2
myagi
rogue element
30hz

While not great, it isn't the same repeat of Baby Anne/Icey
virginia isnt the fucking northeast

[DjLantern]

virginia isnt the fucking northeast

he's not talking about Virginia

those artists have come to VA/DC/MD area

[TsunamiOne]

and if the crystal method play another DJ set here again i'm going to cut my own eyes out.

[JacobDaniel]

and if the crystal method play another DJ set here again i'm going to cut my own eyes out.

LOL

[daniella downs]

and if the crystal method play another DJ set here again i'm going to cut my own eyes out.



FTW!!!!

[Rican]

and if the crystal method play another DJ set here again i'm going to cut my own eyes out.

Don't go to Virgin Festival then lol...

[Bioteknik]

see tho -

i'd pay 10 dollars for someone i really wanted to see.

shit, i paid 15 for atomic hooligan.

i realize not everyone is like that, tho. and knowing what you all are doing coming up, give is rockin it.

haha.. I remember seeing atomic hooligan at casablanca about 5 years ago...

[Don Miguel Lush]

OMG teh breakZ ppl are bitching about TEH scene

:freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout: :freakout:

[TsunamiOne]

Don't go to Virgin Festival then lol...


shit!

[TsunamiOne]

great. my wish (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2397401#post2397401) has come true...december 14th.




fuck.

[dj intreeg]

youtube that shit.