Doctor Called Me a Fatty so now I want your Help

[ChicoMDK]

Yeah so Yesterday I saw a doctor for lik a regualr check up and stuff for the first time ever. All in all i am good health say for one thing. I am 5'7" 192 lbs so the Doc said I border on Obesity. So he said that i need to loose some this weight. So what i would like are some recommendations. I can give up alot say like sodas sweet juice drinks fast foods and junk food. The one thing i think i would really have a problem giving up is pasta I love Pasta and bread. So what you guys think are my chances of dropping 20 pounds by the end of summer if not at least by the end year.

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

eat whole wheat pastas and breads :D

[Funshine]

Switch to whole grain pasta and bread :yes:

[BuzzCat]

What they said. If you eat a LOT of pasta and bread, then cut down some. Cutting out sodas (regular and diet), juices, and alcohol will help a ton too.

[method]

use a BMR estimator and actually count your calories for a week; this will give you a rough idea of how much you need to cut back your intake.

and exercise.

whole grain stuff is good as far as GI tract health and keeping you feeling fuller longer, but the caloric content is the same.

[jibboo]

eat whole grains instead of processed pasta and bread

[ChicoMDK]

use a BMR estimator and actually count your calories for a week; this will give you a rough idea of how much you need to cut back your intake.

and exercise.


Well I play hockey 2-3 times a week and i m buying a moutain bike soon. I ve also considered joing a Gym just need to find one i like.

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

keep dancing like a robot :D

[ChicoMDK]

keep dancing like a robot :D


well that goes without saying i just can't believe i am this over weight I never thought it would happen to me and now it just seems so hard to loose it

maybe i should start purging liek you do doh

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

well that goes without saying i just can't believe i am this over weight I never thought it would happen to me and now it just seems so hard to loose it

maybe i should start purging liek you do doh


:flamethrower:

[uberclkgtr]

DON'T SWITCH TO WHOLE-GRAIN PASTA! It is terrible. Stick to a normal, good pasta, like Barilla. You don't see many fat Italians in Italy. There's a reason for it. Change the amount of sauce you put on your pasta though, and change the overall amount of food you eat during a meal. Whole grain breads, or denser breads made with natural ingredients are better for you too. On the ingredients label, if you can't pronounce it, don't put it in your body.

But try to eat less, and go for more natural foods, i.e. not TV dinners or stuff containing high fructose corn syrup (such as soda). If you're hungry after eating smaller amounts, go for things that have more protein or more fat, as they will make you feel satisfied more.

And exercise more. Use more calories than you take in, and you will lose weight. =]

[bboyneko]

A grilled Chicken breast is only like 130 calories. Basically make all of your meals much less calories, completely eliminate fat calories/empty calories. Coffee is only like 9 calories a cup, sparingly use sugar in it and drink a lot of it, it's a good appetite suppressant. Eliminate soda 100%. Pasta and bread is ok jus don't eat a ton of it. Up your cardio. Use fat-free dressings on salads. Avoid cheese. Don't eat anything fried. No fast food at all.

Weight loss comes slow, it takes 3,500 or so calories to lose a pound, if for example you consume only like 1,800 calories a day, and you need 2,500, you'll lose a pound in 5 days. In a month you'll lose 6 pounds.

So youll have to stick to a lower calorie diet for a long time to see results. Fat loss from cardio only occurs after 20 minutes of continuous cardio.

[jibboo]

what uberclkgtr said

basically, the less processed the better

eat fresh fruits and veggies, whole grains, etc.

[method]

DON'T SWITCH TO WHOLE-GRAIN PASTA! It is terrible.

??? i actually prefer the taste of wholewheat pasta. are you referring to it being terrible for another reason?

[bboyneko]

whole-grain pasta tastes like shit

[The Logic Theorist]

??? i actually prefer the taste of wholewheat pasta. are you referring to it being terrible for another reason?

Cosigned.

And Jason's thread has a ton of good advice, probably all the same advice you would get if this one went on for 15 pages.

[method]

Fat loss from cardio only occurs after 20 minutes of continuous cardio.

not entirely true. it takes that long before your body depletes it's glycogen reserves and starts burning fat directly (tho it begins to burn muscle tissue shortly thereafter as well)

your body will replenish it's muscular glycogen, which will require calories that will hopefully be taken from your adipose tissue (fat).

[Methodus]

I just sent this to a friend, and i posted some of this before:

This is where I got started, there lots to read in this forum, take your time:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=16

These topics are good:
John Stone - his website is good and he has made awesome progress
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=115248

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=538637
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=81315
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=301683

This is the website I use to track my caloric intake. Create an account, and enter everything you eat, plus the activities you do:

http://www.fitday.com/

And these are some essential things you have to do:
Calculate your Basal Metabolic Rate
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/

Determine your Daily Caloric Needs "maintenance calories" using the Harris Benedict Equation
http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/

Subtract 500 (you should only cut 500 calories from your "maintenance" calories

Divide by 6, and eat 6 "clean" meals a day with those calories, every 3 hours.

Stop drinking alcohol except for on special occasions. Drink lots of water. Don't drink soda's. Avoid High Fructose Syrups, avoid hydrogenated oils, etc.

I've already lost 10lbs. Do it. And hit the gym to retain muscle mass, and mix in some light cardio.

And most of all, be patient.

[Methodus]

and wholewheat pasta is good... even though it's somewhat blasphemous

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

??? i actually prefer the taste of wholewheat pasta. are you referring to it being terrible for another reason?


me too actually

[ChicoMDK]

Thanks everyone so hopefully by end of the year i can drop at least 20lbs then i'll be all lean and sexy well lean anyway

[sassypance]

remember: one serving of pasta is equal to the size of your fist.

[method]

that's not a very easy unit of measurement considering most pastas won't fit in the palm of your hand. it would be easier to go by %age of the box (check the servings per container on the nutritional infor and divide it up into individual portions), or if you really wanna get accurate, fork out the $10 and buy a kitchen scale.

[sassypance]

also, if you think you're not getting enough fiber in your diet, try eating almonds, organic cereals (i like nature's path cereals), and up your green vegetable intake.

[sassypance]

um once you cook it and it's all in it's squiggly ball of deliciousness, it should be about the size of your fist. eat it at the beginning of your day because it will give you energy to get through the day and definitely helps having it on board when you're doing cardio. don't do anything on an empty stomach.

[maynard]

remember: one serving of pasta is equal to the size of your fist.

I get the feeling there is quite a large difference between your fist and mine. However, what constitutes a serving for you and for me isn't going to be that far off.

[sassypance]

our bodies are much different in size meaning that your fist full is adequate for you and my fist full is an adequate amount for me.

[method]

that doesn't help when estimating how much to cook...

and would you wait for your pasta to cool before eating it?

i'm not trying to give you shit, i just don't think your tip is really practical, although it's probably correct.

[jibboo]

*waits for the fist-off to commence*

[maynard]

*waits for the fist-off to commence*

You missed it, it was 3 years ago.

Actually, weren't you there? Not *there* there, but there?

[sassypance]

that doesn't help when estimating how much to cook...

and would you wait for your pasta to cool before eating it?

i'm not trying to give you shit, i just don't think your tip is really practical, although it's probably correct.

ask any nutritionist it's a rule of thumb in figuring out what constitutes a single serving of pasta because most people eat 3 or more servings at one sitting. it's a reality check. and if he cooks too much then he'll know for next time and have left overs for the next day.

[jibboo]

You missed it, it was 3 years ago.

Actually, weren't you there? Not *there* there, but there?
*has ptsd flashback*

*curls up in fetal position under desk*

*weeps uncontrolably*

[ZRilla]

Yeah, most people don't like whole grain pasta. Some people do a 50/50 split of whole grain mixed with regular pasta.

Cardio, cardio, cardio!

[method]

ask any nutritionist it's a rule of thumb in figuring out what constitutes a single serving of pasta because most people eat 3 or more servings at one sitting. it's a reality check. and if he cooks too much then he'll know for next time and have left overs for the next day.

yeah that's great, i'm not saying you're wrong, i'm just saying it's not as nearly useful as trying to figure out how much to cook beforehand.

[The Logic Theorist]

yeah that's great, i'm not saying you're wrong, i'm just saying it's not as nearly useful as trying to figure out how much to cook beforehand.

I think the more important question is, "Can you fit your fist in your mouth?"

[sassypance]

whole grain pasta just helps keep the pipes running smoothly, it's got maybe 10 less calories per serving if not the same.

[sassypance]

yeah that's great, i'm not saying you're wrong, i'm just saying it's not as nearly useful as trying to figure out how much to cook beforehand.

as i said he'll figure out how much to cook next time if he cooks too much. practicality dude.

[The Logic Theorist]

whole grain pasta just helps keep the pipes running smoothly, it's got maybe 10 less calories per serving if not the same.

Calorie count is not the be all end all of why you should choose one food over another.

[sassypance]

fine, total/sat. fat, carb count, sugar and protein amounts as well.

[sassypance]

chico, start taking a men's multivitamin as well.

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

whole grain pasta just helps keep the pipes running smoothly, it's got maybe 10 less calories per serving if not the same.


THEY MAKE YOU POO!!

[uberclkgtr]

??? i actually prefer the taste of wholewheat pasta. are you referring to it being terrible for another reason?

no, i just think it tastes bad. i'm a traditionalist. i like traditional italian food. italians don't eat whole-wheat pasta, and generally their dishes don't taste good when you use it. there may be good whole-wheat pasta dishes, but i've never had 'em. maybe if you make some new american style cooking dishes, it can be good. how do you prepare it?

whole wheat pasta isn't lower calorie though, nor is it much more nutritious, so you should just eat what you like. it does have more fiber, but you should be getting plenty of fiber elsewhere.

[Verbal Radiation]

NO MORE BEER for joo
stick to liquor...its quicker

[ChicoMDK]

remember: one serving of pasta is equal to the size of your fist.


not a plate the size of head like they give me at olive gardern or Macaroni grill

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

not a plate the size of head like they give me at olive gardern or Macaroni grill


just say no to never ending pasta

do they still do that at olive garden?

[sassypance]

yes they do.

exactly chico.

[The Logic Theorist]

not a plate the size of head like they give me at olive gardern or Macaroni grill

Seriously, the portions you get at most places out to eat are HUGE. They are made for HUGE people, which is what more and more Americans are becoming, and if you eat them on the regular you become huge too.

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

Seriously, the portions you get at most places out to eat are HUGE. They are made for HUGE people, which is what more and more Americans are becoming, and if you eat them on the regular you become huge too.


:freakout:

[ChicoMDK]

Seriously, the portions you get at most places out to eat are HUGE. They are made for HUGE people, which is what more and more Americans are becoming, and if you eat them on the regular you become huge too.


i ve actually recently started not eating as much when i go out to eat i will usally try to only eat half and take the other half home for later. Unless it's really good and I am really hungry.

[sassypance]

ask them to box up atleast half before bringing out the dish. be good about potatoes, corn and other starches as well.

[method]

practicality dude.

i'm sorry you feel the need to be condescending to perpetuate a false impression that what you say is the best possible advice to give. i'll just avoid saying things to you in the future.

[sassypance]

:jerkit:

make a mountain of a mole hill if you will.

[method]

anyway enough hijacking chico's thread with lame bs...

mountain biking can be an awesome workout - there are some seriously kickass trails in great falls if you live anywhere near there.

[jibboo]

anyway enough hijacking chico's thread with lame bs...

mountain biking can be an awesome workout - there are some seriously kickass trails in great falls if you live anywhere near there.
http://bikewashington.org/trails/

[method]

cool - the ones i'm thinking of aren't "official" trials - no paving or limestone; just serious fun and some killer hills!

[jibboo]

cool - the ones i'm thinking of aren't "official" trials - no paving or limestone; just serious fun and some killer hills!
for good single track trails check out:

http://www.thebicycleescape.com/wheretoride.html

Schaeffer Farms is a good beginner trail

[The Logic Theorist]

i ve actually recently started not eating as much when i go out to eat i will usally try to only eat half and take the other half home for later. Unless it's really good and I am really hungry.

I actually eat most of what I get, particularly for lunch, but then I do something active almost every day, and I run out of calories if I don't eat a lot.

It's the eating all that and not excersizing that gets you.

Also, everyone's coming down on carbs right now like they're the devil, but the AHA has put out a study that says high protein, low carb diets are usually bad for you.

What's bad is the empty carbs, processed sugar, white bread, white grains, etc.

http://www.kidshealth.org/PageManager.jsp?dn=ghs&lic=173&cat_id=5&article_set=40332

[ChicoMDK]

well i think i am gonna get a mountainbike like sometime in the next few weeks I am just gonna pick one up at walmart or something becuase i dont know much about MB and I just wanna get into ridding unless someone wants to help me out in picking a bike I only play to spen like 150-200 tops on bike. Any suggestions anyone. Help me be sexy again

[Verbal Radiation]

Help me be sexy again

start by puttin something over your head to hide your face.
=)

[Verbal Radiation]

oh ya
also try just eating till your not hungry...
not till you are full.

alot of people have grown up about not wasting food, and being stuffed is being full.
FUCK IT waste the food...better in the trash than being fat on your body.

[ChicoMDK]

start by puttin something over your head to hide your face.
=)

Georgy Hines!!! I thought you died dont you have a tap movie you should be in

back on topic so it looks like i have lot work and self control i m gonna have to start work on

[method]

best thing to do as far as exercise goes is to find something you actually enjoy doing.

if you think going to the gym is boring as shit, you probably won't go as often as you should, or even stick with it at all.

if you can find something you like doing, your chances of making it part of your routine are very very good :)

[ChicoMDK]

best thing to do as far as exercise goes is to find something you actually enjoy doing.

if you think going to the gym is boring as shit, you probably won't go as often as you should, or even stick with it at all.

if you can find something you like doing, your chances of making it part of your routine are very very good :)

well i already play ice hockey 2-3 times week i am gonna try and up it alittle more and i really think i m gonna start biking.

[bboyneko]

The hype is real, Subways 6 grams or leff sammiches are good for you and very low in calories and fat.

Eat subway for lunch, (6gram or less of fat menu) dont add mayo, cheese or oil to your sammich, eat it with baked Lays chips (1.5 gram of fat, only 130 calories) and some juice and you have a very healthy, low-fat meal that has lots of fresh veggies, protein, vitamins and yumminess.

[ChicoMDK]

The hype is real, Subways 6 grams or leff sammiches are good for you and very low in calories and fat.

Eat subway for lunch, (6gram or less of fat menu) dont add mayo, cheese or oil to your sammich, eat it with baked Lays chips (1.5 gram of fat, only 130 calories) and some juice and you have a very healthy, low-fat meal that has lots of fresh veggies, protein, vitamins and yumminess.


no cheese oh man how about if i ask for half cheese

[5l1mm]

?
whenever i notice myself getting chunky again
i just switch from beer to liquor only.
i always thought sugar did the most damage(as far as getting big from it)
i also dont eat fast food, unless im really drunk.
like really drunk.

[uberclkgtr]

And don't buy into the low-fat diets, or the no-carb diets. It's bullshit and unhealthy.

Fat for instance, is necessary to your diet. You just want to avoid bad fat, and eat good fat. Olive oil is good fat. Butter and margarine (or crisco) is bad fat. Fat is good to have in your diet, as it helps you feel full when eating a meal.

For instance, I use olive oil for everything - from my grilled cheese sammiches (yes the cheese has saturated fat) to pan-fried stuff. It tastes great and is healthy.

There's some great info on fats on the Harvard School of Public Health page

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/fats.html

[uberclkgtr]

no cheese oh man how about if i ask for half cheese

if you make your own sammiches, you can buy yogurt cheese, which is made from greek yogurt. it has little fat (compared to normal cheese), but can the same texture and richness. of course it's not going to be cheddar, but it's nice for certain things.

[bkidz]

Chico I hope all goes well with the new lifestyle, in the mean time. . . . . .:ontome:


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[jasoncerna]

If you haven't already, increase your intake of water.

Forget about that 8 glasses of water a day crap. Shoot for a gallon of water a day.

Yes, you will be pissing a lot. But once your body is hydrated you won't feel as hungry in between meals.

[jibboo]

well i think i am gonna get a mountainbike like sometime in the next few weeks I am just gonna pick one up at walmart or something becuase i dont know much about MB and I just wanna get into ridding unless someone wants to help me out in picking a bike I only play to spen like 150-200 tops on bike. Any suggestions anyone. Help me be sexy again
got to a bike shop, pretended like you're gonna buy, get fitted for a bike then go shopping on craig's list

[Kill Box]

i was in the same situation. that's well beyond obese, tbh... assuming you don't have a load of muscle. i've since dropped to about 170. i just starved myself for about 4 days, drinking only water. then i ate about 500 calories a day or less with lots of water and vitamins, coupled with walking at least 2 miles a day and sometimes up to 6 when i had the time. i lost it in no time. my goal is getting down to about 150ish though.

[ChicoMDK]

I ctually do have a fair amount of muscel actually thats why the doc said i might horrible but i do need to shed weight the ideal weight for my height is suppose to be 153 i can deal with being that skinny. i wanna be around 175 so thats about 20lbs lless

[Methodus]

no, i just think it tastes bad. i'm a traditionalist. i like traditional italian food. italians don't eat whole-wheat pasta, and generally their dishes don't taste good when you use it. there may be good whole-wheat pasta dishes, but i've never had 'em. maybe if you make some new american style cooking dishes, it can be good. how do you prepare it?

whole wheat pasta isn't lower calorie though, nor is it much more nutritious, so you should just eat what you like. it does have more fiber, but you should be getting plenty of fiber elsewhere.

I eat it... I'm mostly italian ;-). That doesn't mean I don't prefer regular pasta for taste, but when it comes to eating healthy, I'm all for it. It's all about the sauce anyways...

[Methodus]

The hype is real, Subways 6 grams or leff sammiches are good for you and very low in calories and fat.

Eat subway for lunch, (6gram or less of fat menu) dont add mayo, cheese or oil to your sammich, eat it with baked Lays chips (1.5 gram of fat, only 130 calories) and some juice and you have a very healthy, low-fat meal that has lots of fresh veggies, protein, vitamins and yumminess.

I pound subway almost everyday, or quiznos's small bourbon chicken sammich

[Methodus]

i was in the same situation. that's well beyond obese, tbh... assuming you don't have a load of muscle. i've since dropped to about 170. i just starved myself for about 4 days, drinking only water. then i ate about 500 calories a day or less with lots of water and vitamins, coupled with walking at least 2 miles a day and sometimes up to 6 when i had the time. i lost it in no time. my goal is getting down to about 150ish though.

I'm sure that worked for you, but that's really bad advice. People with eating disorders don't each much and they look like shit, because their body goes into starvation mode and holds on to everything they actually do consume. Eat right, or pay the price in losing muscle mass with the fat. The scale will go down, but you will still look like shit w/ out any muscle.

[Jenni XO]

I'm sure that worked for you, but that's really bad advice. People with eating disorders don't each much and they look like shit, because their body goes into starvation mode and holds on to everything they actually do consume. Eat right, or pay the price in losing muscle mass with the fat. The scale will go down, but you will still look like shit w/ out any muscle.



Totally agreed.

I did what Killbox mentioned.. only I worked and rode horses at the barn eight hours a day. My diet included yogurt and soup, and icey pops to keep off cravings. I dropped 30lbs in 30 days, but my health has suffered for it. I still deal with incredibly low blood pressure.

And I'm a recovered eating disordered person.. so I can attest that the advice given was bad advice. Getting pregnant and having kids set my ass straight tho. :yes:

[cleophite]

no, i just think it tastes bad. i'm a traditionalist. i like traditional italian food. italians don't eat whole-wheat pasta, and generally their dishes don't taste good when you use it. there may be good whole-wheat pasta dishes, but i've never had 'em. maybe if you make some new american style cooking dishes, it can be good. how do you prepare it?

whole wheat pasta isn't lower calorie though, nor is it much more nutritious, so you should just eat what you like. it does have more fiber, but you should be getting plenty of fiber elsewhere.
Amen to that. I'm not a big fan of the whole wheat pasta and neither is my Nona.

Moderation, moderation, moderation.

[Shawn_E]

oh ya
also try just eating till your not hungry...
not till you are full.

alot of people have grown up about not wasting food, and being stuffed is being full.
FUCK IT waste the food...better in the trash than being fat on your body.


Or just package it for lunch the next day :shrug: never waste food, there are starving people in other countries.

[Verbal Radiation]

Or just package it for lunch the next day :shrug: never waste food, there are starving people in other countries.

fine
then Fedex ur left overs to the starving people =)

[The Logic Theorist]

Or just package it for lunch the next day :shrug: never waste food, there are starving people in other countries.

A lot of what we eat would barely be recognizable as food to people in other countries.

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

fine
then Fedex ur left overs to the starving people =)


:rofl:

[method]

maybe if you make some new american style cooking dishes, it can be good. how do you prepare it?


http://buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85883&page=4

[Shawn_E]

A lot of what we eat would barely be recognizable as food to people in other countries.


It doesn't have to be they are starving, and if you are starving you'll eat what's put in front of you, it being edible of course.

[The Logic Theorist]

It doesn't have to be they are starving, and if you are starving you'll eat what's put in front of you, it being edible of course.

I'm saying if you put this:

http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/twinkie.jpg

or this:

http://ryansankey.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/Lucky.jpg

or this:

http://www.ezthemes.com/previews/m/mountaindew.jpg

and so on in front of a starving person from a 3rd world country, their first reaction would probably be more like confusion than a desire to eat.

[Shawn_E]

I'm saying if you put this:

http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/twinkie.jpg

or this:

http://ryansankey.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/Lucky.jpg

or this:

http://www.ezthemes.com/previews/m/mountaindew.jpg

and so on in front of a starving person from a 3rd world country, their first reaction would probably be more like confusion than a desire to eat.


Have you ever been to see them in person? I have, and I beg to differ, that lucky charm box would be shredded with the contents devoured, before they could be confused about what they just ate.

[The Logic Theorist]

Have you ever been to see them in person? I have, and I beg to differ, that lucky charm box would be shredded with the contents devoured, before they could be confused about what they just ate.

I have not, but the point I'm making stands. What we buy and consume is far far removed from what food should look like.

[Shawn_E]

I have not, but the point I'm making stands. What we buy and consume is far far removed from what food should look like.


now that point is valid, maybe I misunderstood you. Because I thought you were saying the food we eat wouldn't be eaten by them because they wouldn't recognize it

[Shawn_E]

Oh I don't consider that stuff food in my eyes either btw.

[The Logic Theorist]

now that point is valid, maybe I misunderstood you. Because I thought you were saying the food we eat wouldn't be eaten by them because they wouldn't recognize it

I was exaggerating to make a point. I still think they might shy away from the twinkie though. :D

[Methodus]

I have not, but the point I'm making stands. What we buy and consume is far far removed from what food should look like.

I agree with you, but don't underestimate what starving people will eat, nutritional value aside.

[The Logic Theorist]

I agree with you, but don't underestimate what starving people will eat, nutritional value aside.

Well, that's the flip side of it, I'm sure anyone who was genuinely starving would end up sick from the sugar rush from eating any of that crap.

[Kill Box]

I'm sure that worked for you, but that's really bad advice. People with eating disorders don't each much and they look like shit, because their body goes into starvation mode and holds on to everything they actually do consume. Eat right, or pay the price in losing muscle mass with the fat. The scale will go down, but you will still look like shit w/ out any muscle.

i lift weights and do other excecise as well, but i know a crash diet is not recommended and definitely isn't good for you. it's just the only way i was able to shrink my stomach enough to start eating less.

[cleophite]

Eeep. Crash diets mess with your metabolism. Not a good long-term strategy.

[ChicoMDK]

I totally agree about eatign right and not starvign myself to loose the weight. I am willing to take it slow becuase i wanna be healty and fit, not just skinny.