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zartan
2007-05-03, 01:42 PM
Good news for the tanned... I've read about this before, basically staying out of sunlight helps you avoid skin cancer (which is easy to diagnose and treat) but causes vitamin deficiencies which may be more dangerous than smoking in terms of health risk!

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Vitamin D casts cancer prevention in new light
MARTIN MITTELSTAEDT

From Saturday's Globe and Mail

April 28, 2007 at 1:20 AM EDT

For decades, researchers have puzzled over why rich northern countries have cancer rates many times higher than those in developing countries — and many have laid the blame on dangerous pollutants spewed out by industry.

But research into vitamin D is suggesting both a plausible answer to this medical puzzle and a heretical notion: that cancers and other disorders in rich countries aren't caused mainly by pollutants but by a vitamin deficiency known to be less acute or even non-existent in poor nations.

Those trying to brand contaminants as the key factor behind cancer in the West are "looking for a bogeyman that doesn't exist," argues Reinhold Vieth, professor at the Department of Nutritional Sciences at the University of Toronto and one of the world's top vitamin D experts. Instead, he says, the critical factor "is more likely a lack of vitamin D."

What's more, researchers are linking low vitamin D status to a host of other serious ailments, including multiple sclerosis, juvenile diabetes, influenza, osteoporosis and bone fractures among the elderly.

Not everyone is willing to jump on the vitamin D bandwagon just yet. Smoking and some pollutants, such as benzene and asbestos, irrefutably cause many cancers.

But perhaps the biggest bombshell about vitamin D's effects is about to go off. In June, U.S. researchers will announce the first direct link between cancer prevention and the sunshine vitamin. Their results are nothing short of astounding.

A four-year clinical trial involving 1,200 women found those taking the vitamin had about a 60-per-cent reduction in cancer incidence, compared with those who didn't take it, a drop so large — twice the impact on cancer attributed to smoking — it almost looks like a typographical error.

And in an era of pricey medical advances, the reduction seems even more remarkable because it was achieved with an over-the-counter supplement costing pennies a day.

One of the researchers who made the discovery, professor of medicine Robert Heaney of Creighton University in Nebraska, says vitamin D deficiency is showing up in so many illnesses besides cancer that nearly all disease figures in Canada and the U.S. will need to be re-evaluated. "We don't really know what the status of chronic disease is in the North American population," he said, "until we normalize vitamin D status."

Sunshine vitamin

For decades, vitamin D has been the Rodney Dangerfield of the supplement world. It's the vitamin most Canadians never give a second thought to because it was assumed the only thing it did was prevent childhood rickets, a debilitating bone disease. But the days of no respect could be numbered. If vitamin D deficiency becomes accepted as the major cause of cancer and other serious illnesses, it will ignite the medical equivalent of a five-alarm blaze on the Canadian health front.

For many reasons, Canadians are among the people most at risk of not having enough vitamin D. This is due to a quirk of geography, to modern lifestyles and to the country's health authorities, who have unwittingly, if with the best of intentions, played a role in creating the vitamin deficiency.

Authorities are implicated because the main way humans achieve healthy levels of vitamin D isn't through diet but through sun exposure. People make vitamin D whenever naked skin is exposed to bright sunshine. By an unfortunate coincidence, the strong sunshine able to produce vitamin D is the same ultraviolet B light that can also causes sunburns and, eventually, skin cancer.

Only brief full-body exposures to bright summer sunshine — of 10 or 15 minutes a day — are needed to make high amounts of the vitamin. But most authorities, including Health Canada, have urged a total avoidance of strong sunlight or, alternatively, heavy use of sunscreen. Both recommendations will block almost all vitamin D synthesis.

Those studying the vitamin say the hide-from-sunlight advice has amounted to the health equivalent of a foolish poker trade. Anyone practising sun avoidance has traded the benefit of a reduced risk of skin cancer — which is easy to detect and treat and seldom fatal — for an increased risk of the scary, high-body-count cancers, such as breast, prostate and colon, that appear linked to vitamin D shortages.

The sun advice has been misguided information "of just breathtaking proportions," said John Cannell, head of the Vitamin D Council, a non-profit, California-based organization.

"Fifteen hundred Americans die every year from [skin cancers]. Fifteen hundred Americans die every day from the serious cancers."

Health Canada denies its advice might be dangerous. In an e-mailed statement, it said that most people don't apply sunscreen thoroughly, leaving some skin exposed, and that people spend enough time outside without skin protection to make adequate amounts of vitamin D.

However, the Canadian Cancer Society last year quietly tweaked its recommendation to recognize that limited amounts of sun exposure are essential for vitamin D levels.

Avoiding most bright sunlight wouldn't be so serious if it weren't for a second factor: The main determinant of whether sunshine is strong enough to make vitamin D is latitude. Living in the north is bad, the south is better, and near the equator is best of all.

Canadians have drawn the short straw on the world's latitude lottery: From October to March, sunlight is too feeble for vitamin D production. During this time, our bodies draw down stores built by summer sunshine, and whatever is acquired from supplements or diet.

Government regulations require foods such as milk and margarine to have small amounts of added vitamin D to prevent rickets.

Other foods, such as salmon, naturally contain some, as does the cod liver oil once commonly given to children in the days before milk fortification. But the amounts from food are minuscule compared to what is needed for cancer prevention and what humans naturally can make in their skin.

Vitamin D levels in Canada are also being compromised by a lifestyle change. Unlike previous generations that farmed or otherwise worked outside, most people now spend little time outdoors.

One survey published in 2001 estimated office- and homebound Canadians and Americans spend 93 per cent of waking time in buildings or cars, both of which block ultraviolet light.

Consequently, by mid-winter most Canadians have depleted vitamin D status. "We're all a bit abnormal in terms of our vitamin D," said Dr. Vieth, who has tested scores of Canadians, something done with a simple blood test.

How much is enough?

Just how much vitamin D is required for optimum health is the subject of intense scientific inquiry.

Dr. Vieth has approached the matter by asking: What vitamin D level would humans have if they were still living outside, in the wild, near the equator, with its attendant year-round bright sunshine? "Picture the natural human as a nudist in environments south of Florida," he says.

He estimates humans in a state of nature probably had about 125 to 150 nanomoles/litre of vitamin D in their blood all year long — levels now achieved for only a few months a year by the minority of adult Canadians who spend a lot of time in the sun, such as lifeguards or farmers.

For the rest of the population, vitamin D levels tend to be lower, and crash in winter. In testing office workers in Toronto in winter, Dr. Vieth found the average was only about 40 nanomoles/L, or about one-quarter to one-third of what humans would have in the wild.

The avalanche of surprising research on the beneficial effects of vitamin D could affect dietary recommendations as well. Health Canada says that, in light of the findings, it intends to study whether recommended dietary levels need to be revised, although the review is likely to be years away.

A joint Canadian-U.S. health panel last studied vitamin D levels in 1997, concluding the relatively low amounts in people's blood were normal. At the time, there was speculation vitamin D had an anti-cancer effect, but more conclusive evidence has only emerged since.

"There needs to be a comprehensive review undertaken and that is planned," says Mary Bush, director general of Health Canada's office of nutrition policy and promotion.

But Ms. Bush said the government doesn't want to move hastily, out of concern that there may be unknown risks associated with taking more of the vitamin.

Those who worry about low vitamin D, however, say this stand is too conservative — that the government's caution may itself be a health hazard.

To achieve the vitamin D doses used for cancer prevention through foods, people would need to drink about three litres of milk a day, which is unrealistic.

If health authorities accept the new research, they would have to order a substantial increase in food fortification or supplement-taking to affect disease trends. As it is, the 400 IU dosage included in most multivitamins is too low to be an effective cancer fighter.

Dr. Vieth said any new recommendations will also have to reflect the racial and cultural factors connected to vitamin D. Blacks, South Asians and women who wear veils are at far higher risks of vitamin D deficiencies than are whites.

Although humans carry a lot of cultural baggage on the subject of skin hue, colour is the way nature dealt with the vagaries of high or low vitamin D production by latitude.

Those with very dark skins, whose ancestors originated in tropical, light-rich environments, have pigmentation that filters out more of the sunshine responsible for vitamin D; in northern latitudes, they need more sun exposure — often 10 times as much — to produce the same amount of the vitamin as whites.

Dr. Vieth says it is urgent to provide information about the need for extra vitamin D in Canada's growing non-white population to avoid a future of high illness rates in this group.

Researchers suspect vitamin D plays such a crucial role in diseases as unrelated as cancer and osteoporosis because the chemical originated in the early days of animal evolution as a way for cells to signal that they were being exposed to daylight.

Even though living things have evolved since then, almost all cells, even those deep in our bodies, have kept this primitive light-signalling system.

In the body, vitamin D is converted into a steroid hormone, and genes responding to it play a crucial role in fixing damaged cells and maintaining good cell health. "There is no better anti-cancer agent than activated vitamin D. I mean, it does everything you'd want," said Dr. Cannell of the Vitamin D Council.

Some may view the sunshine-vitamin story as too good to be true, particularly given that the number of previous claims of vitamin cure-alls that subsequently flopped. "The floor of modern medicine is littered with the claims of vitamins that didn't turn out," Dr. Cannell allowed.

But the big difference is that vitamin D, unlike other vitamins, is turned into a hormone, making it far more biologically active. As well, it is "operating independently in hundreds of tissues in your body," Dr. Cannell said.

Referring to Linus Pauling, the famous U.S. advocate of vitamin C use as a cure for many illnesses, he said: "Basically, Linus Pauling was right, but he was off by one letter."

method
2007-05-03, 01:46 PM
cool.

cal-mag+D ftw

uberclkgtr
2007-05-03, 02:08 PM
fascinating. it will be interesting to see where the research on this heads.

Funshine
2007-05-03, 02:10 PM
Well fuck. Guess I better spoil this milky white complexion...

madeofwires
2007-05-03, 02:19 PM
someone make up their mind! should we go outside or not?!?!?!?!

LilLemur416
2007-05-03, 02:24 PM
I think I've heard something about this before - I definately remember hearing that a limited amount of exposure to the sun, daily, is healthy & normal - and it's primarily when you're doing long exposures or getting burned that you have to worry about skin cancer - so it sounds like they're promoting a happy medium... :shrug:

Only brief full-body exposures to bright summer sunshine — of 10 or 15 minutes a day — are needed to make high amounts of the vitamin. But most authorities, including Health Canada, have urged a total avoidance of strong sunlight or, alternatively, heavy use of sunscreen. Both recommendations will block almost all vitamin D synthesis.

There are going to be some people that read this article, ignore the above statement & justify baking themselves for hours a day - which can still lead to cancer...

john c
2007-05-03, 02:51 PM
for jews like me, the sun can easily cause melanoma. se we are basically screwed

The Logic Theorist
2007-05-03, 03:03 PM
The sun is anti-semitic.

john c
2007-05-03, 03:04 PM
if u read this though, they havent proved this at all. its just a theory that teeters on the causation doesnt not equal corrolation flaw. im not convinced.

Verbal Radiation
2007-05-03, 03:07 PM
Mabbe a list of things that DONT cause cancer would be better

zartan
2007-05-03, 03:10 PM
the point is that skin cancer is actually very detectable and treatable, while the cancers that vitamin d apparently protects against are extremely dangerous. i've read quite a lot about this over the past few years and am convinced.

john c
2007-05-03, 03:58 PM
does sunblock block out all the vitamin d ud be getting? or does it still seep through?

GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-05-03, 03:59 PM
get vitamin D milk and/or supplements


problem solved


/i didnt read the article all the way through so if its not that simple, sorry

SiKniSS
2007-05-03, 04:18 PM
i've heard from quite a few people playing WOW is equal to spf 93....

Verbal Radiation
2007-05-03, 04:27 PM
i've heard from quite a few people playing WOW is equal to spf 93....
LOL!
woot! i got that covered!

zartan
2007-05-03, 04:32 PM
how about people read the article instead of posting a bunch of questions answered clearly, with references, in it? just a thought.

LilLemur416
2007-05-03, 04:42 PM
does sunblock block out all the vitamin d ud be getting? or does it still seep through?
:no:
Only brief full-body exposures to bright summer sunshine — of 10 or 15 minutes a day — are needed to make high amounts of the vitamin. But most authorities, including Health Canada, have urged a total avoidance of strong sunlight or, alternatively, heavy use of sunscreen. Both recommendations will block almost all vitamin D synthesis.


get vitamin D milk and/or supplements


problem solved


/i didnt read the article all the way through so if its not that simple, sorry
Vitamin D milk doesn't even come close to the levels you need...
Canadians have drawn the short straw on the world's latitude lottery: From October to March, sunlight is too feeble for vitamin D production. During this time, our bodies draw down stores built by summer sunshine, and whatever is acquired from supplements or diet.

Government regulations require foods such as milk and margarine to have small amounts of added vitamin D to prevent rickets.

Other foods, such as salmon, naturally contain some, as does the cod liver oil once commonly given to children in the days before milk fortification. But the amounts from food are minuscule compared to what is needed for cancer prevention and what humans naturally can make in their skin.

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To achieve the vitamin D doses used for cancer prevention through foods, people would need to drink about three litres of milk a day, which is unrealistic.

If health authorities accept the new research, they would have to order a substantial increase in food fortification or supplement-taking to affect disease trends. As it is, the 400 IU dosage included in most multivitamins is too low to be an effective cancer fighter.

john c
2007-05-03, 04:47 PM
been busy at work to read the whole thing
searched for sunscreen but its sunblock i nthe article lol
what is defined as "heavy use" of sunbock though? shrug

LilLemur416
2007-05-03, 04:57 PM
been busy at work to read the whole thing
searched for sunscreen but its sunblock i nthe article lol
what is defined as "heavy use" of sunbock though? shrug

I don't know what "heavy use" is - but when most people apply sunscreen, they're trying to prevent exposure to the same rays that help build Vit. D.

I think the key here, as in most things, is moderation... Don't spend too much time out in the sun, but don't hide from it either - it's not natural to avoid the sun :funshine:

GiveMeFunkyBeats
2007-05-03, 05:01 PM
how about people read the article instead of posting a bunch of questions answered clearly, with references, in it? just a thought.



no

The Logic Theorist
2007-05-03, 05:16 PM
I don't know what "heavy use" is - but when most people apply sunscreen, they're trying to prevent exposure to the same rays that help build Vit. D.

I think the key here, as in most things, is moderation... Don't spend too much time out in the sun, but don't hide from it either - it's not natural to avoid the sun :funshine:

*ding*

I think the problem is most people only get sunlight when they're going from the apartment to the car and the car to the office most of the time, then they want to go to the beach and lay out for 6 hours. It doesn't work like that.

LilLemur416
2007-05-03, 05:21 PM
*ding*

I think the problem is most people only get sunlight when they're going from the apartment to the car and the car to the office most of the time, then they want to go to the beach and lay out for 6 hours. It doesn't work like that.

I don't even get that... I go garage to garage... But I drive with my sunroof open & windows down a lot. And try to *ease* into spending time in the sun. Laura + lots of sun = :no:

ChicoMDK
2007-05-03, 05:37 PM
I really like i m damned if i do damned if i dont so i guess i m suppose to walkaround side but stay in the shade I dunno someone tell me what am i suppose to do :crying2:

john c
2007-05-03, 05:49 PM
so moral of the story: go do something outside for like 2 hours each day but dont sit in the sun and burn urself at the beach.

i want to see if people in warm climates like Cali have much lower cancer rates than say places like Minnesota.

zartan
2007-05-03, 06:01 PM
i think the bottom line with so much shit like this is to try to live as close to the way you evolved to live and you're going to be in good shape. so never getting sunlight (either because inside all the time or using sunblock) is bad. eating a pound of charred red meat every day is bad. never getting off your ass is bad. etc etc.

there was a really good artile in the NY Times Magazine a few weeks back about how virtually every food has been various identified as a miraculous health cure all and/or a catastrophic detriment to your health. The point of the article was the best way to avoid being taken in by fads that later turn out to be inaccurate is to try and eat FOOD - stuff that is recognizably food, that your grandmother would recognize the ingredients in, etc. Seems like the same thing would apply to sun exposure.

method
2007-05-03, 06:07 PM
:yes:

common sense ftw

what else is new?