OK, so you're beatmatched and cued up and cruising along...

[twochordcool]

and you start to bring the fader over or channel fader up and you're committed and there's no going back.

All of a sudden you sense driftage and you need to correct -

(obviously with the pitch control)

Do YOU know for sure which way to correct, + or - ?

How?!

Because, unfortunately for me it's like a crap shoot.

Also, as a DJ, do you think you hear and notice things about your mixes that drive you nuts that probably or most likely are not noticed by your average person on the dancefloor?

And one final thing, I've heard that A list DJ's spend weeks on their compilations - do you think this is because they want to get them just right, and/or because in reality they are mere mortals like the rest of us and have to kick around tunes for hours at a time, in search of tunes that go together perfectly?!

JUST CURIOUS!

[zartan]

Do YOU know for sure which way to correct, + or - ?


yes

[Skandalus]

and you start to bring the fader over or channel fader up and you're committed and there's no going back.

All of a sudden you sense driftage and you need to correct -

(obviously with the pitch control)

Do YOU know for sure which way to correct, + or - ?

How?!

Because, unfortunately for me it's like a crap shoot.



After years of practice that sort of thing becomes second nature. or, well, it shoud (I have known a couple people in my experiences that claim to have been spinning for years, but still have issues with beatmatching :shrug:).

the only advice anyone here is going to give you is to practice.

[RypTide]

and you start to bring the fader over or channel fader up and you're committed and there's no going back.

There's always going back. Being a good DJ means knowing how to recover.


Do YOU know for sure which way to correct, + or - ?

Yes. Takes practice.


Also, as a DJ, do you think you hear and notice things about your mixes that drive you nuts that probably or most likely are not noticed by your average person on the dancefloor?

Yes. You are and will always be your own worst critic.


And one final thing, I've heard that A list DJ's spend weeks on their compilations - do you think this is because they want to get them just right, and/or because in reality they are mere mortals like the rest of us and have to kick around tunes for hours at a time, in search of tunes that go together perfectly?!

Some spend that much time. I find I burn out if I do that, which is probably why I haven't recorded a mix in a long time.

[ramz]

both is good... - is a finger drag on the side of the deck; + is a hearty clockwise twist on the spindle... just remember that vocals and other melodic stuff shows pitch bend worse than anything else, so it's best, usually to adjust the track without melodic stuff going on... Also, I usually use the rule of thumb of adjusting the track where the kick/bassline isn't...

[RypTide]

... just remember that vocals and other melodic stuff shows pitch bend worse than anything else, so it's best, usually to adjust the track without melodic stuff going on...

Course, you could be using CDs with master tempo buttons, which will keep the song in the key it was written without the pitch wiggling. But that can get you in trouble too, of course.

[ramz]

Course, you could be using CDs with master tempo buttons, which will keep the song in the key it was written without the pitch wiggling. But that can get you in trouble too, of course.
my numark TT's have pitch lock and alls I have to say is: holy overrated feature of a deck... I've never actually used it...

[Skandalus]

If you want to be a beatmatching master, you must learn the secret technique called Locking.

[Skandalus]

It involves a wrist watch and magic.

[Master Miguel Lush]

both is good... - is a finger drag on the side of the deck; + is a hearty clockwise twist on the spindle...
yes and no.... i did that a lot, and it can be extremely useful, however it is really dangerous.
after a while i've noticed that the less you touch the plate, record, spindle, the better.
Not all records react equally, neither do needles, turntables, etc. with a shitty tonearm, you try to adjust the record doing that, and it could skip.
the cleanest way for me to fix any little driftage or whatever problem there is is actually playing with the pitch-shifter. you should be able to recognize how much faster/slower your record need to go for it to be synced again, do it with the pitchshifter, and drag it back to where it was: less pitch bending noises, no skipping risk.

[empath]

The answer to all your questions is that you need to practice more.

[ramz]

yes and no.... i did that a lot, and it can be extremely useful, however it is really dangerous.
after a while i've noticed that the less you touch the plate, record, spindle, the better.
Not all records react equally, neither do needles, turntables, etc. with a shitty tonearm, you try to adjust the record doing that, and it could skip.
the cleanest way for me to fix any little driftage or whatever problem there is is actually playing with the pitch-shifter. you should be able to recognize how much faster/slower your record need to go for it to be synced again, do it with the pitchshifter, and drag it back to where it was: less pitch bending noises, no skipping risk.
if you're cueing stuff up, sure... but I don't think that's the way you quick fix in the middle of a mix... just my opinion...

the reality is, however, that eventually, you'll beatmatch, cue, launch, and play the tracks side by side with no adjustment whatsoever after a little while... if it's drifting, it's not beatmatched...

[daniella downs]

Do YOU know for sure which way to correct, + or - ?


in the beginning, no.

with years of practice, yes.

[ramz]

if you're cueing stuff up, sure... but I don't think that's the way you quick fix in the middle of a mix... just my opinion...quick amendment to what I said... addendum is likely the better word choice... what I can't stand is people that don't have shit beatmatched that wanna try to fix it all by manipulating the plate.... I just wanna scream, "FUCKING MOVE THE PITCH FADER, DUMBASS!"

[twochordcool]

My BIGGEST PROBLEM is, even though I know how to beatmatch, I HAVE NOT figured out how to correct a drifting beatmatch in the CORRECT direction EACH AND EVERY time - so half of my mixes sound worse before they sound better.

And that is COMPLETELY unacceptable, to myself, and anyone that would critique a demo of mine.

Now it might be in how I set up my headphones - I just can't tell which one is doing what for sure - I can hear them coming apart, but I can't say "this one is doing this and that one is doing that".

Can anyone try to explain how they do it - the process - and how to differentiate the records?

[Master Miguel Lush]

My BIGGEST PROBLEM is, even though I know how to beatmatch, I HAVE NOT figured out how to correct a drifting beatmatch in the CORRECT direction EACH AND EVERY time - so half of my mixes sound worse before they sound better.

And that is COMPLETELY unacceptable, to myself, and anyone that would critique a demo of mine.

Now it might be in how I set up my headphones - I just can't tell which one is doing what for sure - I can hear them coming apart, but I can't say "this one is doing this and that one is doing that".

Can anyone try to explain how they do it - the process - and how to differentiate the records?
i don't think is te headphones... i usually take my headphones off after i've matched the beat, and then just rely on the monitor... you need to know your tracks.... really know them, so if both are playing at the same time, you know that this snare comes from track a and that hat tracks comes from track b etc.... it takes a lot of times of practice.... but it can be done

[Jay Selway]

The answer to all your questions is that you need to practice more.

Psha! You can't even beatmatch.

You suck.




































jk.

[SCHLiTZ]

if you're cueing stuff up, sure... but I don't think that's the way you quick fix in the middle of a mix... just my opinion...

the reality is, however, that eventually, you'll beatmatch, cue, launch, and play the tracks side by side with no adjustment whatsoever after a little while... if it's drifting, it's not beatmatched...


I've found this to be a pretty good way to fix minor mistakes. The key is to keep one finger where pitch slider was and then pitch up/down and back to the original position. This is basically what the jog wheel on a Pioneer CDJ does.

Unfortunately, touching the platter is a hard habit to break.

[MURAMASA]

:werd:

Practice. A lot.

One piece of advice I can give you would be to play around with it at home -- don't keep trying to do things the same way every time. When you start to lose it gradually (at home) and you can't tell, don't fix it until you've figured out which way to adjust. Eventually with practice, it will take you less and less time to figure it out. It may also help to play with the volume of the incoming track a bit. The quicker you can discern the tracks from each other, the quicker you can figure out which direction you need to go. I hope that helps!

Oh, also - practice using the pitch to adjust your tracks, and touch the platter as little as possible. Eventually you may pick up a combination of using the two depending on what eq range is playing, but I would wait until you've developed your ears a bit or else it could lead to some bad habits.

Best of luck, let us know your progress!

[Stryda!]

cut and run bitches.... cut and run!

[MURAMASA]

:afterbuzz:

[twochordcool]

The answer to all your questions is that you need to practice more.

I think that it's quite possible that I have stubbornly developed bad habits...and practicing will NOT undo them - I need to learn what I am doing wrong from other DJ's - people like you guys - I really believe that once I have learned the method and technique it will just come together and I'll develop the consistency I should have had ages ago.

Ramiro can vouch for that.

[ramz]

i don't think is te headphones... i usually take my headphones off after i've matched the beat, and then just rely on the monitor... you need to know your tracks.... really know them, so if both are playing at the same time, you know that this snare comes from track a and that hat tracks comes from track b etc.... it takes a lot of times of practice.... but it can be done
:werd: after you launch, take your headphones off and just listen to the monitors... this is the point at which you have to learn to trust what you already did in the headphones when you were cueing because all too often people correct/overcorrect unnecessarily because they won't they their cans off their head... the speed of sound is finite and everything you hear from a source right next to your head is going to be a bit ahead of stuff coming from monitors that are feet away... sometimes people laugh when I bring this up, but the ear is almost certainly the most discerning instrument of detection in the human body... even the slightest misalignment is obvious...

[ramz]

practice doesn't make perfect; only perfect practice makes perfect...

[ramz]

I've found this to be a pretty good way to fix minor mistakes. The key is to keep one finger where pitch slider was and then pitch up/down and back to the original position. This is basically what the jog wheel on a Pioneer CDJ does.

Unfortunately, touching the platter is a hard habit to break.
:shrug:/:elad: I do it... all the time, even... and, frankly, I'll never stop doing it...

[Joe L.]

and you start to bring the fader over or channel fader up and you're committed and there's no going back.

All of a sudden you sense driftage and you need to correct -

(obviously with the pitch control)

Do YOU know for sure which way to correct, + or - ?

How?!

Because, unfortunately for me it's like a crap shoot.

Also, as a DJ, do you think you hear and notice things about your mixes that drive you nuts that probably or most likely are not noticed by your average person on the dancefloor?

And one final thing, I've heard that A list DJ's spend weeks on their compilations - do you think this is because they want to get them just right, and/or because in reality they are mere mortals like the rest of us and have to kick around tunes for hours at a time, in search of tunes that go together perfectly?!

JUST CURIOUS!


You should be able to tell using your headphones (that's what they are there for)

and a lil hint w/ beatmatching. If you are using a mixer that has a cue knob for mixing in your headphones.... don't use it. It's a bad habit. just run your cue record through the headphones only. If I have both channels running through the phones and there is a slight drift, it's really hard for me tell which is drifting in what direction. But once you isolate each channel (headphones for your cue record, monitor for the record playing to the crowd) you can easily tell which record is going faster or slower.

Once I know which record to correct I typically use the pitch control only to make minor adjusments as you won't hear the record suddenly speed up or down (which might happen if you touch the record.) This is basic info, but you'll get the hang of it w/ more practice and develop your own techniques.

[Joe L.]

:werd: after you launch, take your headphones off and just listen to the monitors...


I always use my headphones.....

[Jay Selway]

My BIGGEST PROBLEM is, even though I know how to beatmatch, I HAVE NOT figured out how to correct a drifting beatmatch in the CORRECT direction EACH AND EVERY time - so half of my mixes sound worse before they sound better.

And that is COMPLETELY unacceptable, to myself, and anyone that would critique a demo of mine.

Now it might be in how I set up my headphones - I just can't tell which one is doing what for sure - I can hear them coming apart, but I can't say "this one is doing this and that one is doing that".

Can anyone try to explain how they do it - the process - and how to differentiate the records?


Keep one headphone ear on one ear, and one off your ear. Listen to the mixing in record thru your headphone that is on your ear. If you hear the kick drum in there first before the one from your monitor, that means your mixing in record is going to fast. Slow it down.

[time0000]

Practice!!! our Mr doom will come eat you alive.

[ramz]

Keep one headphone ear on one ear, and one off your ear. Listen to the mixing in record thru your headphone that is on your ear. If you hear the kick drum in there first before the one from your monitor, that means your mixing in record is going to fast. Slow it down.
if they're exactly matched from the perspective of the crowd, the one directly on your ear will always hit before the one from the monitor... sorry, Jay... you're a great DJ, but I have to disagree...

[jukata]

My BIGGEST PROBLEM is, even though I know how to beatmatch, I HAVE NOT figured out how to correct a drifting beatmatch in the CORRECT direction EACH AND EVERY time - so half of my mixes sound worse before they sound better.

it's your pants. are they too tight? that'll do it.


bak-inda-day when I was a little head with my drugmoney bought first tables back in 19so-damn-long-ago-that-I'm-super-cool I used this idea for the same problem while learning:
I would get the trackes matched up, then intentionally speed the one I was bringing up just a hair... that way you know you're gonna ride the platter edge, not the spindle. You'll be sure that you have to slow down, not speed up. Start to hear any drifting and you just drag your finger until it sounds right.

Want to practice keeping beats matched? Try mixing some 70's rock or soul music. The tempo drifts all over the place! if you can keep that shit matched the whole way through you will rule at electronic tempo-based music.

[twochordcool]

practice doesn't make perfect; only perfect practice makes perfect...

EXACTLY - that's what I'm trying to say.

[Joe L.]

Want to practice keeping beats matched? Try mixing some 70's rock or soul music. The tempo drifts all over the place! if you can keep that shit matched the whole way through you will rule at electronic tempo-based music.

Agreed!

beats that aren't quantized are difficult to mix but it's a lot of fun.

[twochordcool]

and a lil hint w/ beatmatching. If you are using a mixer that has a cue knob for mixing in your headphones.... don't use it. It's a bad habit. just run your cue record through the headphones only. If I have both channels running through the phones and there is a slight drift, it's really hard for me tell which is drifting in what direction

And that's EXACTLY what I have been doing for 6 or so years - beatmatching with both tunes equally in both ears. I've been told that it's IMPOSSIBLE to correct a drifting beatmatch properly using this method - but it's the only way that doesn't sound "foreign" and "weird" to me.


But once you isolate each channel (headphones for your cue record, monitor for the record playing to the crowd) you can easily tell which record is going faster or slower

I guess I'm going to have to take steps backwards in order to relearn to do it the right way and fix my current problem.


Once I know which record to correct I typically use the pitch control only to make minor adjusments as you won't hear the record suddenly speed up or down (which might happen if you touch the record.) This is basic info, but you'll get the hang of it w/ more practice and develop your own techniques.

I ONLY correct using the pitch control - it'll feel so good when I have the confidence and know that I am correcting in the right direction every time - not have to cringe and hold my breath when I move the pitch control until I find out if I went the right way or not!

[ramz]

cue knobs are the fucking devil... :D

[twochordcool]

I would get the trackes matched up, then intentionally speed the one I was bringing up just a hair... that way you know you're gonna ride the platter edge, not the spindle. You'll be sure that you have to slow down, not speed up. Start to hear any drifting and you just drag your finger until it sounds right

I've considered that, but then there is always a period of time when it DEFINITELY IS off - even if ever so slightly.

That is the problem, however, with getting it so damn close - when it does go out you just don't know which way to correct.

[ramz]

I've considered that, but then there is always a period of time when it DEFINITELY IS off - even if ever so slightly.

That is the problem, however, with getting it so damn close - when it does go out you just don't know which way to correct.
you learn... it takes time, but you learn... you'll start to hear which track is fucking up your universe nearly instantaneously, especially if you really get to know your tracks... my advice: take 10 tracks and spin nothing but those... in fact, fuck that... take 2 tracks and mix them back and forth into each other until it's flawless every time... make sure they aren't tracks you really, really like because you'll never be able to play them again... Also, stop worrying about shit like EQs and faders and other "more advanced" stuff... get the beatmatching down before you move on...

[Joe L.]

And that's EXACTLY what I have been doing for 6 or so years - beatmatching with both tunes equally in both ears. I've been told that it's IMPOSSIBLE to correct a drifting beatmatch properly using this method - but it's the only way that doesn't sound "foreign" and "weird" to me.


I don't know who told you that, but it's not true. And I know quite a few DJs that trot the globe using this method.

Also, if you're doing long extended mixes (several minutes) you are practically always going to have to fix drift, so you need to learn how to do it so it's practically 2nd nature.

[Sloane]

if they're exactly matched from the perspective of the crowd, the one directly on your ear will always hit before the one from the monitor... sorry, Jay... you're a great DJ, but I have to disagree...

No I agree with Jay you should mix with one earphone on and one earphone off......just listening to the monitors after you started the mix wont cut it.

[ramz]

meh... I guess we all have our own process... All I can tell you is that I made quantum leaps in capability as a beginner DJ by changing a few small things, one of which was taking the headphones off my head...

[john c]

if he hasnt learned how to beatmatch in 6 yrs he never will.
i suggest u hang up ur headphones and call it a hobbie.

its simple, u learn to fucking listen. its not the actual technique thats hard, its the listening. the being able to hear 2 songs simultaneously and being able to tell which is faster, which is slower. Thats it!

[john c]

and btw, I agree with Jay and Sloane.

[romy]

I have a numark beatcounter/keeper I can sell to anyone who needs it to learn to beatmatch, makes you an A List dj in 2 days :)

PS: I am not even kidding, i really do have a rack mounteable beatcounter, that is in perfect condition, and I feel bad throwing it away. I will even sell it for .........
yes - 3.50!!!!!!

[john c]

i will buy it for $3.50 so i can sell it on ebay for $4.50.

[Skandalus]

if he hasnt learned how to beatmatch in 6 yrs he never will.
i suggest u hang up ur headphones and call it a hobbie.

its simple, u learn to fucking listen. its not the actual technique thats hard, its the listening. the being able to hear 2 songs simultaneously and being able to tell which is faster, which is slower. Thats it!
woah.. I didn't catch that part...

hmm... after 6 years I would have to agree with John here.


I guess it's possible to still have trouble with beatmatching after 6 years if you never really practiced that intensively or for very often at a time.

I dunno though... after 6 years beatmatching is one of those dj skills you shouldn't really be having trouble with anymore. At least for the most part; there are of course exceptions due to bad equipment or monitors and even the best djs have a wreck now and again.

Ultimately, after that long, a dj should be about 90% consistant with beatmatching and should definitely be able to hear whether a record is faster or slower and know how to adjust accordingly.


I call inconsistant practice here, or a fudging of the amount of years spinning.

[MURAMASA]

i will buy it for $3.50 so i can sell it on ebay for $4.50.

And then charge $80 for shipping & handling - BRILLIANT! ;)

[romy]

Dont forget to cover the E-bay and Paypal fees, and make sure to get the address right when you are shipping it to that nice guy in Nigeria

[RypTide]

woah.. I didn't catch that part...

hmm... after 6 years I would have to agree with John here.


I guess it's possible to still have trouble with beatmatching after 6 years if you never really practiced that intensively or for very often at a time.

I dunno though... after 6 years beatmatching is one of those dj skills you shouldn't really be having trouble with anymore. At least for the most part; there are of course exceptions due to bad equipment or monitors and even the best djs have a wreck now and again.

Ultimately, after that long, a dj should be about 90% consistant with beatmatching and should definitely be able to hear whether a record is faster or slower and know how to adjust accordingly.


I call inconsistant practice here, or a fudging of the amount of years spinning.

Inconsistent practice is likely.

Honestly, I'd be a much much much much better DJ if I had the self discipline to spin more than I do. Shit, I don't even have my gear set up at home half the time. In fact, lately I've basically only been spinning at gigs, and my gigs haven't even been my primary genre so I'm WAY out of touch.

Gah. This thread makes me want to go home and woodshed it for hours and hours. Perhaps I will.

Anyway, what everybody is saying is right on point. Practice practice practice. Get pointers from other DJs but ultimately it's going to be something you figure out on your own as far as what works best for you.

[twochordcool]

if he hasnt learned how to beatmatch in 6 yrs he never will.
i suggest u hang up ur headphones and call it a hobbie.

its simple, u learn to fucking listen. its not the actual technique thats hard, its the listening. the being able to hear 2 songs simultaneously and being able to tell which is faster, which is slower. Thats it!

(Just remember that you drew first blood.)

First of all, dickhead, I've learned how to beatmatch.

I think it's fair to separate beatmatching from making very fine corrections while in the mix.

MY PROBLEM IS with perfecting the latter.

[kindofblue272]

(Just remember that you drew first blood.)

First of all, dickhead, I've learned how to beatmatch.

I think it's fair to separate beatmatching from making very fine corrections while in the mix.

MY PROBLEM IS with perfecting the latter.

didn't we go through this exact same shit a couple weeks ago? why the fuck do you keep starting threads so people can tell you exactly what they told you the last time? and he didn't call you names. he told you to quit cause you suck.

later.

[Funshine]

Hey guys, take the personal attacks to PMs please.

[twochordcool]

didn't we go through this exact same shit a couple weeks ago? why the fuck do you keep starting threads so people can tell you exactly what they told you the last time? and he didn't call you names. he told you to quit cause you suck.

later.

And who the fuck is talking to you, little man?!

[Jay Selway]

(Just remember that you drew first blood.)

First of all, dickhead, I've learned how to beatmatch.

I think it's fair to separate beatmatching from making very fine corrections while in the mix.

MY PROBLEM IS with perfecting the latter.


Duh, if the beats aren't staying matched - you aren't beatmatching.

Just fucking bump one of the records up in speed and notice how one kick hits after the other? Do that for a year and you'll figure out which track is playing faster.

Seriously, one trick that I used when I first started out.. i just put two records on randomly without using headphones and both channels at full volume... a trainwreck. Then i'd fuck with the records and get them lined up. also a good trick to get out of a wreck if a needle skpped or something.

6 years?

[Jay Selway]

didn't we go through this exact same shit a couple weeks ago? why the fuck do you keep starting threads so people can tell you exactly what they told you the last time? and he didn't call you names. he told you to quit cause you suck.

later.


:lol:

[Jay Selway]

Hey guys, take the personal attacks to PMs please.

macaca.

[empath]

If you can't get it in 6 _months_ you should probably hang up the headphones, let alone 6 years.

[PimpZtress RaH]

um..i'm no ninja. BUT...when I can't discern which way it is going too + or too - (when slipping), PICK A TRACK...listen to the main one....tap your foot or whatever...get that beat...then, what is the one doing coming in? is is too fast or too slow? -- or there is the ever popular cut it quick and WOOT! to your friends (who if they are your REAL friends) will surely talk shit about you later. :D
Yeahhhh!!
:P

[zartan]

if they're exactly matched from the perspective of the crowd, the one directly on your ear will always hit before the one from the monitor... sorry, Jay... you're a great DJ, but I have to disagree...

put your monitors 2' from your head. the effect of this is really miniscule ramz especially for someone with this big of an issue.

dude your problem is listening to the mix in your headphones. listen ONLY to the cue track in one ear and ONLY the room sound in the other ear. before bringing the cue in start grooving to the room sound. drop the cue. listen to it in one ear. correct. believe me if you do this for one hour over and over and still aren't feeling like you are starting to figure it out DJing is not for you. neither is driving a motor vehicle, quite frankly.

[twochordcool]

Duh, if the beats aren't staying matched - you aren't beatmatching

WRONG ASSHAT - you will have to make minor corrections during long mixes MOST OF THE TIME. FACT.

We're not talking one record at 130 BPM and the other one at 126 BPM - we're talking one being at 127 BPM and the other one at 127.09 BPM - only noticeable after letting it go out for a while.

And when you get it SO DAMN CLOSE it can be hard to tell which way to correct.

So go take your shitty record that few will buy and shove it up your ass.

[zartan]

cool it bro.

and, seriously, djs with enough practice can get 2 records perfectly beatmatched so they do not drift at all. they can mix for several minutes with no correction. believe it.

[twochordcool]

put your monitors 2' from your head. the effect of this is really miniscule ramz especially for someone with this big of an issue.

dude your problem is listening to the mix in your headphones. listen ONLY to the cue track in one ear and ONLY the room sound in the other ear. before bringing the cue in start grooving to the room sound. drop the cue. listen to it in one ear. correct. believe me if you do this for one hour over and over and still aren't feeling like you are starting to figure it out DJing is not for you. neither is driving a motor vehicle, quite frankly.

Dude, I'd love to take your advice, especially if it would help me improve - but anyone that looks up to Rick Santorum has completely lost my respect from the get-go.

"Duh, ladies and gentleman, we have found the WMD's!" Er, 3 and a half years after the start of the war and they weren't even WMD's! Even fellow Republican's were standing clear of him!

He might as well just come out and said "My approval rating is in the shitter - only morons still support me - PLEASE reelect me!"

P A T H E T I C !

Just kidding.

I'll try your recommendation with the headphones.

[time0000]

I mix with both my headphones on and off with one ear been doing this for a year almost and can nail my beat matching over 90% of the time do you know how to count beat or anythng about timeing like4/4 3/4 or takin anytype of music classes. find a way that works for you try it every which way. i am on my table sofr about 1 and a half hours to 2 hours a day am now starting turntablism . find a way that works for you is all I have to say. I thknk someone said you need to know you records no you dont you have to be able to reconize the count on the rythem sry i know i spelled it wrong but iam tired.Kepp tring diffrent things till you find something that works. All the advice in the world could or could help but just try it all.

g'luck with that.

peas

[romy]

:hilarious:

[romy]

So go take your shitty record that few will buy and shove it up your ass.

:lame:

:needpics:

[zartan]

lol. the santorum thing is sarcastic homey. i can't stand that motherfucker.

[empath]

cool it bro.

and, seriously, djs with enough practice can get 2 records perfectly beatmatched so they do not drift at all. they can mix for several minutes with no correction. believe it.
I don't do it often, because its just as easy for me to correct as I go, but I have done it when I have a long time to cue up before mixing in, just so I look like I'm doing something other than standing around drinking.

[Jay Selway]

WRONG ASSHAT - you will have to make minor corrections during long mixes MOST OF THE TIME. FACT.

We're not talking one record at 130 BPM and the other one at 126 BPM - we're talking one being at 127 BPM and the other one at 127.09 BPM - only noticeable after letting it go out for a while.

And when you get it SO DAMN CLOSE it can be hard to tell which way to correct.

So go take your shitty record that few will buy and shove it up your ass.


I don't know why I'm even bothering trying to help you.

[Jay Selway]

Dude, I'd love to take your advice, especially if it would help me improve - but anyone that looks up to Rick Santorum has completely lost my respect from the get-go.

"Duh, ladies and gentleman, we have found the WMD's!" Er, 3 and a half years after the start of the war and they weren't even WMD's! Even fellow Republican's were standing clear of him!

He might as well just come out and said "My approval rating is in the shitter - only morons still support me - PLEASE reelect me!"

P A T H E T I C !

Just kidding.

I'll try your recommendation with the headphones.


Seriously, how has this guy not been banned?

He asks people for advice on how to spin, we give it to him, he doesn't believe that it just takes practice then starts off on a wild rampage attacking people over their political beliefs?

[Jay Selway]

:lame:

:needpics:

:yikes:

[DJ Ciconte]

Really it takes practice... just practice more...

Try to teach yourself how to separate out the beat from the record that is playing verses the beat of the incoming record... once you have that down you will hear whether the incoming record is slower or faster and than you can use one of the methods discussed above to correct it.

[john c]

So go take your shitty record that few will buy and shove it up your ass.

you are easily the biggest tool to ever step into this messageboard as far as im concerned. And here's a newsflash kid: DJing is much harder and much less fun when one thinks ALL music these days blows (im not even goin to go huntin' for quotes). Give up DJ-ing cause you are a joke. and i am laughing at you. so thank you. :D

[Jay Selway]

Yeah honestly, it doesn't make any sense..

"I hate all music."

"omg i want to be a dj?"

what gives?

[daniella downs]

you are easily the biggest tool to ever step into this messageboard as far as im concerned. And here's a newsflash kid: DJing is much harder and much less fun when one thinks ALL music these days blows (im not even goin to go huntin' for quotes). Give up DJ-ing cause you are a joke. and i am laughing at you. so thank you. :D


LOL!

ARMANI EXCHANGE FTW!! :raveon:

[dubsteptim]

WRONG ASSHAT - you will have to make minor corrections during long mixes MOST OF THE TIME. FACT.

We're not talking one record at 130 BPM and the other one at 126 BPM - we're talking one being at 127 BPM and the other one at 127.09 BPM - only noticeable after letting it go out for a while.

And when you get it SO DAMN CLOSE it can be hard to tell which way to correct.

So go take your shitty record that few will buy and shove it up your ass.

dude i dont even DJ but how the fuck are you gonna bite at others tryin to help yo' sorry punk ass... especially good DJs at that that are givin you tips that you seem to take and just shove up your ass!:nutpunch:

[5l1mm]

im not sure weather this thread has inspired me, entertained me, or just made me very sad.
i was thinking about talking shit just for fun.
but i dont have the energy today to keep up with you kids these days.

[Alter-Ego]

this thread lol

I would have a witty responce but I believe everything has allready been said therefore.

When it slips just have you saftey net dj jump on and save the day!

[daniella downs]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to altered. again.

[DJ Ciconte]

It's all about the safety net DJ... dude...

But I gotta ask why you are going out of your way to piss of people that are just trying to help you... We have all been through the learning phase...

I got some points for altered.

[twochordcool]

Really it takes practice... just practice more...

Try to teach yourself how to separate out the beat from the record that is playing verses the beat of the incoming record... once you have that down you will hear whether the incoming record is slower or faster and than you can use one of the methods discussed above to correct it.

Yeah man, I know, but this is EXACTLY what I have a hard time with - telling them apart when they are REALLY RREEAALLLLYY close together.

[twochordcool]

But I gotta ask why you are going out of your way to piss of people that are just trying to help you... We have all been through the learning phase...

If you're fair, observant and intelligent you would notice that I am only being nasty with the people that have taken a nasty tone with me.

[daniella downs]

Yeah man, I know, but this is EXACTLY what I have a hard time with - telling them apart when they are REALLY RREEAALLLLYY close together.


dude, i have to ask you this.

and for once, don't bullshit us.

you say you have been dj'ing for years, but (and this has been said to you before), but you ask the most elementary of questions.

and then you get pissed off at people.

it sounds like you get pissed off because people know you're full of shit. it's ok man, we've all lied about something at some point.

i'm sure if you just came clean, people would be a lot nicer to you, because then we'd all at least understand how such a "seasoned dj" could ask the stuff you ask.

i'm being 100% straight with you here man.

[twochordcool]

you are easily the biggest tool to ever step into this messageboard as far as im concerned. And here's a newsflash kid: DJing is much harder and much less fun when one thinks ALL music these days blows (im not even goin to go huntin' for quotes). Give up DJ-ing cause you are a joke. and i am laughing at you. so thank you. :D

Dude, I think MOST music coming out nowaday sucks - take yours for example.

Now you might be a better DJ than me in a "technical" way - but I'm NEARLY CERTAIN that my record collection takes a HUMUNGOUS DUMP on your record collection - so if I ever can iron out my technical problems...........

I've been into this FAR LONGER than you, I'm sure, so why don't you take YOUR arrogant ass and shitty produced music and fuck off back to where YOU came from?!

By the way, I RREEAALLLLYY think your produced music sucks, I'm not only saying that because we are having a nasty discussion here.

big-headed asshole.

[empath]

dude, i have to ask you this.

and for once, don't bullshit us.

you say you have been dj'ing for years, but (and this has been said to you before), but you ask the most elementary of questions.

and then you get pissed off at people.

it sounds like you get pissed off because people know you're full of shit. it's ok man, we've all lied about something at some point.

i'm sure if you just came clean, people would be a lot nicer to you, because then we'd all at least understand how such a "seasoned dj" could ask the stuff you ask.

i'm being 100% straight with you here man.
These are definitely "I've been djing in my bedroom for 6 months, but..." questions.

[empath]

Dude, I think MOST music coming out nowaday sucks - take yours for example.

Now you might be a better DJ than me in a "technical" way - but I'm NEARLY CERTAIN that my record collection takes a HUMUNGOUS DUMP on your record collection - so if I ever can iron out my technical problems...........

I've been into this FAR LONGER than you, I'm sure, so why don't you take YOUR arrogant ass and shitty produced music and fuck off back to where YOU came from?!

By the way, I RREEAALLLLYY think your produced music sucks, I'm not only saying that because we are having a nasty discussion here.

big-headed asshole.
Does anybody else picture the comic-book-guy saying this?

Cause I do.

[romy]

twochordcool plays trance :gasp: pass it on...


HAHAHAHAH - My Record collection can beat up your Record Collection

[jukata]

consider promoting / lighting / production
.
.
.
.

(j/k - keep practicing and don't over-analyse this, it's music not rocket-surgery)


I've considered that, but then there is always a period of time when it DEFINITELY IS off - even if ever so slightly.

That is the problem, however, with getting it so damn close - when it does go out you just don't know which way to correct.

[shade]

Dude, I think MOST music coming out nowaday sucks - take yours for example.

Now you might be a better DJ than me in a "technical" way - but I'm NEARLY CERTAIN that my record collection takes a HUMUNGOUS DUMP on your record collection - so if I ever can iron out my technical problems...........

I've been into this FAR LONGER than you, I'm sure, so why don't you take YOUR arrogant ass and shitty produced music and fuck off back to where YOU came from?!

By the way, I RREEAALLLLYY think your produced music sucks, I'm not only saying that because we are having a nasty discussion here.

big-headed asshole.

okay, look man. enough of this.

consider this an official warning.

i have read this thread several times over, and while some people exercised less patience with you than others, you are the one who has started and escalated pretty much all this bickering.

stop with the attacks immediately or you will be banned from this thread, and further action against you discussed.

this is not the first instance that we've had issues with the way you conduct yourself here. i am really hoping it is the last.


everybody else - please chill.

[twochordcool]

dude, i have to ask you this.

and for once, don't bullshit us.

you say you have been dj'ing for years, but (and this has been said to you before), but you ask the most elementary of questions.

and then you get pissed off at people.

it sounds like you get pissed off because people know you're full of shit. it's ok man, we've all lied about something at some point.

i'm sure if you just came clean, people would be a lot nicer to you, because then we'd all at least understand how such a "seasoned dj" could ask the stuff you ask.

i'm being 100% straight with you here man.

HAVE owned turntables and TONS of music for a long time.

THIS is what I have told you guys.

YOU ASSUMED that I have been playing out - I haven't.

[daniella downs]

Does anybody else picture the comic-book-guy saying this?

Cause I do.


LOL.

YES!!!!!!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/79/The_Simpsons-Jeff_Albertson.png/222px-The_Simpsons-Jeff_Albertson.png

MY TRANZ IS BETTR THAN UR TRANZ!

[dubsteptim]

dudez EVRY1Z i jwn a kenw00d turntable to play classic rox lpz some1 teach me to spinz dope tunes OH YEAH MUZAK SUX A55 + FUK EWE if youz attck m3!!!!!!

[twochordcool]

okay, look man. enough of this.

consider this an official warning.

i have read this thread several times over, and while some people exercised less patience with you than others, you are the one who has started and escalated pretty much all this bickering.

stop with the attacks immediately or you will be banned from this thread, and further action against you discussed.

this is not the first instance that we've had issues with the way you conduct yourself here. i am really hoping it is the last.

everybody else - please chill.

THAT'S BULL SHIT - JOHN C AND JAY SELWAY STARTED WITH THE SHIT TALKING - I MIGHT HAVE ESCALATED IT AFTER THEIR JABS AT ME - BUT THEIR JABS AT ME WERE MALICIOUS AND I'M NOT GONNA KICK BACK AND TAKE THAT - IN REAL LIFE OR AT A MESSAGE BOARD.

[Alter-Ego]

god I love tuff talk on a msg board.

just relax dude, its just a msg board, we all talk shit some time or another.

Not me tho, Ive never gotten neg rep, or been involved in any bickering :ANden:

[daniella downs]

HAVE owned turntables and TONS of music for a long time.

THIS is what I have told you guys.

YOU ASSUMED that I have been playing out - I haven't.

no, i did not assume you have been playing out. it's obvious that you havent.

[dubsteptim]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n61/chibichazoo/INTERNETFIGHT.gif

[shade]

THAT'S BULL SHIT - JOHN C AND JAY SELWAY STARTED WITH THE SHIT TALKING - I MIGHT HAVE ESCALATED IT AFTER THEIR JABS AT ME - BUT THEIR JABS AT ME WERE MALICIOUS AND I'M NOT GONNA KICK BACK AND TAKE THAT - IN REAL LIFE OR AT A MESSAGE BOARD.

nobody took any jabs at you, man.

people tried to help you. there are about 4 pages of this thread with very helpful advice, and then you lost it.

even jay and john c were trying to help you before you started attacking them.

you said that they drew first blood in this post: http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2163121&postcount=49

there is no attack against you in what is being said, but you got overly defensive and started calling names and attacking everyone who had been trying to help you.

this is not up for argument.

[empath]

THAT'S BULL SHIT - JOHN C AND JAY SELWAY STARTED WITH THE SHIT TALKING - I MIGHT HAVE ESCALATED IT AFTER THEIR JABS AT ME - BUT THEIR JABS AT ME WERE MALICIOUS AND I'M NOT GONNA KICK BACK AND TAKE THAT - IN REAL LIFE OR AT A MESSAGE BOARD.
wow

[daniella downs]

this is not up for argument.


:mandaba:

SHADE WITH THE DOWNTEMPO UPPERCUT OF DEATH.

[Scorched Earth]

and, seriously, djs with enough practice can get 2 records perfectly beatmatched so they do not drift at all. they can mix for several minutes with no correction. believe it.

I've done it countless times. Practice and this level of perfection can be achieved.

On a pair of 1200s, this can be done easily. Even on some lower quality decks.

How else could people play on three turntables?

[john c]

By the way, I RREEAALLLLYY think your produced music sucks, I'm not only saying that because we are having a nasty discussion here.

big-headed asshole.

i know. i th3 sux. can u touch me how to make good tunes? ive been producing for 6 yrs now. i still cant figure out where to place the kickdrums though. its like my beat is close to sounding like house but not quite. hopefully you can shed some light on this matter as you are much more experienced than everybody and your record collection blows all of ours away. Thanks bro.

[shade]

let it go, john :)

[shade]

:mandaba:

SHADE WITH THE DOWNTEMPO UPPERCUT OF DEATH.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/liamomalley/moderating.jpg

[Steve Synth]

http://www.teachmix.co.uk

"Carl Cox Approved"

LOL

[jukata]

Shade brings down the Warhammer of Doom!! Moderator with mojo.
http://www.trueswords.com/images/prod/c/TS-MEDHAMINF_540.jpg


nobody took any jabs at you, man.

people tried to help you. there are about 4 pages of this thread with very helpful advice, and then you lost it.

even jay and john c were trying to help you before you started attacking them.

you said that they drew first blood in this post: http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2163121&postcount=49

there is no attack against you in what is being said, but you got overly defensive and started calling names and attacking everyone who had been trying to help you.

this is not up for argument.

[ramz]

I think the problem is that you need some of those inflatable headless cingular guys...without a pair of those things, you can't spin with mad skillz like teh DJ Tiesto...

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/topdjgear_1926_48163121

[spiggums]

HAVE owned turntables and TONS of music for a long time.

THIS is what I have told you guys.

YOU ASSUMED that I have been playing out - I haven't.
who assumed that?

I mean, with the questions you've asked after your "years of practice" I can only assume that if you HAD played out you weren't asked back.

(edit: and now that i read the last page I see Ian said essentially the same thing.. doh)

[jukata]

These can also help you learn to swim. Shouldn't there be a cup holder or 2 though?


I think the problem is that you need some of those inflatable headless cingular guys...without a pair of those things, you can't spin with mad skillz like teh DJ Tiesto...

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/topdjgear_1926_48163121

[Jill]

I think the problem is that you need some of those inflatable headless cingular guys...without a pair of those things, you can't spin with mad skillz like teh DJ Tiesto...

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/topdjgear_1926_48163121

Hilariously enough, I have a friend who works for Cingular so I have access to as many of those as I want. In giant sizes.

[PimpZtress RaH]

Hilariously enough, I have a friend who works for Cingular so I have access to as many of those as I want. In giant sizes.
ooOOo can I get one for my computer/production chair? DAMN...my ass goes to sleep sitting at this thing!! :D -- Just think. It will also prevent me from skipping!! (that is always a good thing ;)

[ramz]

I've often wondered what I could buy you that would prevent you from skipping...

[PimpZtress RaH]

...but I feel so free when I am skipping!!

The wind in my armpits...the bugs in my teeth...
Even Depech' Knows what I am talking about "I just can't get enough..."

[Jay Selway]

Dude, I think MOST music coming out nowaday sucks - take yours for example.

Now you might be a better DJ than me in a "technical" way - but I'm NEARLY CERTAIN that my record collection takes a HUMUNGOUS DUMP on your record collection - so if I ever can iron out my technical problems...........

I've been into this FAR LONGER than you, I'm sure, so why don't you take YOUR arrogant ass and shitty produced music and fuck off back to where YOU came from?!

By the way, I RREEAALLLLYY think your produced music sucks, I'm not only saying that because we are having a nasty discussion here.

big-headed asshole.

John C = PVD Playlisted.


PVD Playlisted > Opinion of someone who can't even beatmatch.

[Jay Selway]

THAT'S BULL SHIT - JOHN C AND JAY SELWAY STARTED WITH THE SHIT TALKING - I MIGHT HAVE ESCALATED IT AFTER THEIR JABS AT ME - BUT THEIR JABS AT ME WERE MALICIOUS AND I'M NOT GONNA KICK BACK AND TAKE THAT - IN REAL LIFE OR AT A MESSAGE BOARD.

wtf are you talking about?

I was just trying to help you learn how to beat match.

[Jay Selway]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n61/chibichazoo/INTERNETFIGHT.gif

HAHAHHAHA

[PimpZtress RaH]

(U all need to do more skipping)

Ever fight and skip? or Yell and smile? it is really difficult. That is what I do.

heheheheeee......
:P (or I "cut a bitch")

[romy]

jay can you help me learn to warp :) i've been practicing for 6 months and just cant get it perfect :(

[john c]

shade; okay okay! i resign from this convo. but ill still read if others keep up the shannanigans. good times indeed. :D

[romy]

john you cant teach me to warp too :)

Is this where everyone tells me that practice makes perfect :( sigh...

[Jay Selway]

jay can you help me learn to warp :) i've been practicing for 6 months and just cant get it perfect :(

It's just a step to the left...

http://www.sbfilmfestival.org/blog/uploaded_images/timewarp2-730186.jpg

[JuliaP]

(U all need to do more skipping)

Ever fight and skip? or Yell and smile? it is really difficult. That is what I do.

heheheheeee......
:P (or I "cut a bitch")

I quiver when I hear the pgrase "cut a bitch" lol

[Jill]

ooOOo can I get one for my computer/production chair? DAMN...my ass goes to sleep sitting at this thing!! :D -- Just think. It will also prevent me from skipping!! (that is always a good thing ;)

As soon as I see him next I will request that he bring me some.

[twochordcool]

no, i did not assume you have been playing out. it's obvious that you havent.

You're SO full of shit.

Then what's with this?:


dude, i have to ask you this.

and for once, don't bullshit us.

you say you have been dj'ing for years, but (and this has been said to you before), but you ask the most elementary of questions.

and then you get pissed off at people.

it sounds like you get pissed off because people know you're full of shit. it's ok man, we've all lied about something at some point.

i'm sure if you just came clean, people would be a lot nicer to you, because then we'd all at least understand how such a "seasoned dj" could ask the stuff you ask.

i'm being 100% straight with you here man

[twochordcool]

nobody took any jabs at you, man.

people tried to help you. there are about 4 pages of this thread with very helpful advice, and then you lost it.

even jay and john c were trying to help you before you started attacking them.

you said that they drew first blood in this post: http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2163121&postcount=49

there is no attack against you in what is being said, but you got overly defensive and started calling names and attacking everyone who had been trying to help you.

this is not up for argument.

That's a bunch of crap man - read what he wrote and how he wrote it and any sane and reasonable person would see that he wasn't trying to help and was just being nasty - I don't need to argue with you - I'm a sharp and observant person and I know how shit went down.

[Jay Selway]

That's a bunch of crap man - read what he wrote and how he wrote it and any sane and reasonable person would see that he wasn't trying to help and was just being nasty - I don't need to argue with you - I'm a sharp and observant person and I know how shit went down.

:tool:

[twochordcool]

John C = PVD Playlisted.

PVD Playlisted > Opinion of someone who can't even beatmatch.

WOW!

In a period of time when music seems to be at it's worst one of the cheesiest DJ's in existence is playing his record!

I'm SSOO fucking impressed.

:jerkit:

[dubsteptim]

WOW!

In a period of time when music seems to be at it's worst one of the cheesiest DJ's in existence is playing his record!

I'm SSOO fucking impressed.

:jerkit:

seriously d00d, if you're "SSOO fucking impressed.", then why did you even bother to ask ANYONE here for help?

[Master Miguel Lush]

this thread LOL x 10
This week the board has been on a roll, first the breaks forum, now this.... oh,what a christmassy week!

[spiggums]

You're SO full of shit.

Then what's with this?:
let me help you here

DJ'ing in this case != playing out...

you've claimed SEVERAL times to have been at this for "6 years"...

but if you have half a brain, you should have already known the difference... I suspect you're simply trying to draw connections where there aren't any just to keep an argument going on..

cause I mean... no one can be THAT dumb can they?

[shade]

That's a bunch of crap man - read what he wrote and how he wrote it and any sane and reasonable person would see that he wasn't trying to help and was just being nasty - I don't need to argue with you - I'm a sharp and observant person and I know how shit went down.


i'm closing this thread.

you obviously didnt start it for advice.

furthermore, you don't need to talk to me like i haven't read the thread. this "sane and reasonable" person has read it many times over, as i've already stated, and -gasp- i have a different perspective than you. just like everybody else here who was trying to help you in the first place.

you will be notified of any further actions that may be taken. in the meantime, i suggest you print out our FAQ and get yourself away from a computer so you can settle down just a bit and drop all this.

PM me if you have any further questions.