Can someone please explain to me...

[Alter-Ego]

Why High Contrast has done another remix of a top 40 hip hop tune? First there was the Gold Digger rmx, now hes done a remix of a Missy Elliot track called "We Run This" (Ive never heard of it but Im assuming its top 40) I mean I like his production, but he needs to stay with dnb and let the top 40 hip hop world decay on its own.

http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/237172-01.htm



(Ian, proceed with the lame comments about how junglists are so snobby or mean or whatever you say everytime thios matter comes up)

[Cakes]

His first few bits on hospital were fresh because he was leading that housey funk movement from the front. Then somewhere around 2002 he became a hybrid parody of himself and John B. That's when you should have stopped listening because that's when it stopped being about the music. He's been a gimmick producer for a while now and this is just more evidence of that.

[RickyRicardo]

it's a progression.

first goes the hair.....then goes the talent.

[proximity]

never liked HC personally. handbag disco diva shit, pop, and DnB = bad combination

[Alter-Ego]

it's a progression.

first goes the hair.....then goes the talent.

Well the hair certainly needed to go

[RickyRicardo]

oh, did he cut it again? I haven't really kept up w/ the fast-paced world of dnb producer cosmotology ;-)

[Alter-Ego]

Me neither, last I saw he still had the mop top, I dont keep up with him at all

[upfrontdc]

Gold Digger was a white label.

Missy Elliot called High Contrast and requested he remix this for her. Big up.

[jibboo]

haterz r funny

[Alter-Ego]

haterz r funny

People that cant tell the difference between "hate'n" and "opinions" are funny

[Verbal Radiation]

DnB is pretty much Hip Hop sped up....
i like how the cross stuff over like that, in doing that they reach a wider audience like when Redman had that DnB track.
I think the next step for hiphop is prolly a hybrid of DnB and hiphop
Personally if you could get a Rapper( not n MC) with lyrical skills and place it over DnB you could really grab the market...like BOB by Outcast...it wasnt much different from DnB and people ate that shit up.
BUUUUTTTTT....
people are to afraid to stray from the path...so in prolly 5 years, you will say...hey that one guy said this was gonna happen!!

[Heider]

http://www.pcbypaul.com/wpclipart/money/money-rain.png

[Alter-Ego]

DnB is pretty much Hip Hop sped up....


Not exactly



Oh and there allready is a Hybrid, its called Hip-step

Like Akshun and Odi

[Verbal Radiation]

i said pretty much...
no exactly =P
and it has roots in hiphop, salsa, amoung others
to deny this is to deny the very essences of musket rat love
and you dont wanna piss off the musket rats..right?

[daniella downs]

high contrast rules.

but contrary to your belief brad, i like the music in the song, but not the vocals.

i'd think a dub would be cooler.

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

Why High Contrast has done another remix of a top 40 hip hop tune? First there was the Gold Digger rmx, now hes done a remix of a Missy Elliot track called "We Run This" (Ive never heard of it but Im assuming its top 40) I mean I like his production, but he needs to stay with dnb and let the top 40 hip hop world decay on its own.

http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/237172-01.htm



(Ian, proceed with the lame comments about how junglists are so snobby or mean or whatever you say everytime thios matter comes up)

meh, let him do what he wants?

seriously, if you don't like it, don't buy it

[daniella downs]

meh, let him do what he wants?

seriously, if you don't like it, don't buy it


that wouldnt be very junglist.

[Alter-Ego]

Why is anyone with an opinion that is anything but positive about a certain dj/producer is labeled as a hater?

[Heider]

Why is anyone with an opinion that is anything but positive about a certain dj/producer is labeled as a hater?

because we're all supposed to keep our mouths shut and kiss up to each other.

[Verbal Radiation]

i loved the Gold digger remix..
LMAO!
i guess my roots in hip hop make me predisposed to Hip step..or whateva you call it
cant wait till the start doing Country DnB remixes(rollz eyez)
can someone get on that..
i dont produce or i would try it
i am interested in hearing Icky Breaky Heart Bad Company remix plz

[5l1mm]

Oh and there allready is a Hybrid, its called Hip-step

Like Akshun and Odi

i knew it!
for a wile i thought i was imagining that hip-step existed
im not really finding alot around this area.
jim=sad

[daniella downs]

Why is anyone with an opinion that is anything but positive about a certain dj/producer is labeled as a hater?


to be completely honest tho brad....

and i dont mean this to sound like i'm hating on you persay,

but junglists bitch more than anyone about music.

if you say i'm wrong, you're smoking the rock.

[Alter-Ego]

because we're all supposed to keep our mouths shut and kiss up to each other.

Seriously, if we didnt have opinions we would all spin the same shit and it would be boring as hell

[OhNoesIt'sJohn]

Why is anyone with an opinion that is anything but positive about a certain dj/producer is labeled as a hater?

because most of the DnB scene is full of haters?

it sucks, and it prevented me from producing and enjoying the music beyond my own home because the discussions on the music always turned to making fun of someone.

[Alter-Ego]

to be completely honest tho brad....

and i dont mean this to sound like i'm hating on you persay,

but junglists bitch more than anyone about music.

if you say i'm wrong, you're smoking the rock.

Again, there is a difference in "bitching" as you say, and having an opinion about a producer.

I didnt start a thread saying "Subfocus tunes fucking blow, I cant believe people like that dribble" but I didnt. Just because I dont like him means he sucks. And I dont hate on people that like him, I just dont understand why they do, but thats THEIR OPINION

[daniella downs]

Again, there is a difference in "bitching" as you say, and having an opinion about a producer.

I didnt start a thread saying "Subfocus tunes fucking blow, I cant believe people like that dribble" but I didnt. Just because I dont like him means he sucks. And I dont hate on people that like him, I just dont understand why they do, but thats THEIR OPINION


i conpletely understand that.

but it has gone so far past the point of "having an opinion" at this point that everyone just always considers it bitching.

i'm not talking about just you, i mean your community as a whole.

[proximity]

DnB is pretty much Hip Hop sped up....


No.



I think the next step for hiphop is prolly a hybrid of DnB and hiphop


i guess you missed the early-mid nineties :hahano:

[proximity]

i conpletely understand that.

but it has gone so far past the point of "having an opinion" at this point that everyone just always considers it bitching.

i'm not talking about just you, i mean your community as a whole.

i can state for a fact that hardly anyone in the "community" cares what most people in the rave scene think :yes:

"haters" = way to demonize opinions about one's music that one doesn't want to hear

i've been guilty of using it myself, but it is a retarded piece of terminology borrowed mostly from bad rap music

[Verbal Radiation]

ya...day late
dollar short
but i still dont like corn dogs

[Verbal Radiation]

No.

“Your producer was seduced by the speed of the BPM. It ceased to be Hip hop, and became Drum n Bass. When that happened, the hip hop that was known was changed into Jungle. So what I told you was true. From a certain point of view.”
see Obi wan said it!!

[proximity]

“Your producer was seduced by the speed of the BPM. It ceased to be Hip hop, and became Drum n Bass. When that happened, the hip hop that was known was changed into Jungle. So what I told you was true. From a certain point of view.”
see Obi wan said it!!

heh.

hip-hop is definitely one of the many influences that's made jungle/dnb what it is today, but i definitely wouldn't call drum&bass simply sped up hip-hop. more like sped up funk/dub/hip-hop/hardcore/dancehall/techno/house/trance/jazz/heavy metal/insert whatever. that's why it's great :evilblue:

[MURAMASA]

To stay on topic: I think HC has skill, but I haven't enjoyed his recent work.

To get on the progression of this thread which has turned into another 'state of the scene lol' topic: I'm trying to remember who it was that first predicted that the digital era would lower the bar for music due to 2 things:

Easy access for less creative and less talented bands & producers to get their music out to the masses.

Untrained ears having access to 'lower quality' music and putting their dollar behind it.

I think it's a double-edged sword, really, because it's nearly impossible to define 'good' music -- everyone has their own criteria. One person could see the state of things as a better chance for the truly original and talented to shine, while another could see it as the market reaching a bottleneck status with a lot of great talent not making it due to the inability to have their diamond found through the abundance of rough -- a customer's time and money are limited, after all. Both of these, and many other viewpoints could hold true simultaneously... I suppose a great deal of this depends on a person's trust in the public's ability to judge and willingness to learn? Perhaps their passion/lack of passion for music in general? Something else?

What do you guys think? I'm on the fence about this, new viewpoints would be refreshing.

[Alter-Ego]

To stay on topic: I think HC has skill, but I haven't enjoyed his recent work.

To get on the progression of this thread which has turned into another 'state of the scene lol' topic: I'm trying to remember who it was that first predicted that the digital era would lower the bar for music due to 2 things:

Easy access for less creative and less talented bands & producers to get their music out to the masses.

Untrained ears having access to 'lower quality' music and putting their dollar behind it.

I think it's a double-edged sword, really, because it's nearly impossible to define 'good' music -- everyone has their own criteria. One person could see the state of things as a better chance for the truly original and talented to shine, while another could see it as the market reaching a bottleneck status with a lot of great talent not making it due to the inability to have their diamond found through the abundance of rough -- a customer's time and money are limited, after all. Both of these, and many other viewpoints could hold true simultaneously... I suppose a great deal of this depends on a person's trust in the public's ability to judge and willingness to learn? Perhaps their passion/lack of passion for music in general? Something else?

What do you guys think? I'm on the fence about this, new viewpoints would be refreshing.

I feel like I just learned something, damn you!

[proximity]

To stay on topic: I think HC has skill, but I haven't enjoyed his recent work.

To get on the progression of this thread which has turned into another 'state of the scene lol' topic: I'm trying to remember who it was that first predicted that the digital era would lower the bar for music due to 2 things:

Easy access for less creative and less talented bands & producers to get their music out to the masses.

Untrained ears having access to 'lower quality' music and putting their dollar behind it.

I think it's a double-edged sword, really, because it's nearly impossible to define 'good' music -- everyone has their own criteria. One person could see the state of things as a better chance for the truly original and talented to shine, while another could see it as the market reaching a bottleneck status with a lot of great talent not making it due to the inability to have their diamond found through the abundance of rough -- a customer's time and money are limited, after all. Both of these, and many other viewpoints could hold true simultaneously... I suppose a great deal of this depends on a person's trust in the public's ability to judge and willingness to learn? Perhaps their passion/lack of passion for music in general? Something else?

What do you guys think? I'm on the fence about this, new viewpoints would be refreshing.

it's all because of the damned mixdown button

http://www.jeronafruits.com/gallery/images/pic_teebee_hi.jpg

[Verbal Radiation]

heh.

hip-hop is definitely one of the many influences that's made jungle/dnb what it is today, but i definitely wouldn't call drum&bass simply sped up hip-hop. more like sped up funk/dub/hip-hop/hardcore/dancehall/techno/house/trance/jazz/heavy metal/insert whatever. that's why it's great :evilblue:

/nod
=)

[RickyRicardo]

To stay on topic: I think HC has skill, but I haven't enjoyed his recent work.

To get on the progression of this thread which has turned into another 'state of the scene lol' topic: I'm trying to remember who it was that first predicted that the digital era would lower the bar for music due to 2 things:

Easy access for less creative and less talented bands & producers to get their music out to the masses.

Untrained ears having access to 'lower quality' music and putting their dollar behind it.

I think it's a double-edged sword, really, because it's nearly impossible to define 'good' music -- everyone has their own criteria. One person could see the state of things as a better chance for the truly original and talented to shine, while another could see it as the market reaching a bottleneck status with a lot of great talent not making it due to the inability to have their diamond found through the abundance of rough -- a customer's time and money are limited, after all. Both of these, and many other viewpoints could hold true simultaneously... I suppose a great deal of this depends on a person's trust in the public's ability to judge and willingness to learn? Perhaps their passion/lack of passion for music in general? Something else?

What do you guys think? I'm on the fence about this, new viewpoints would be refreshing.

This is a question that extends far beyond music. When the modes of production become accessible to the masses, does the sheer amount of quantity produce a net loss in quality?

Some would argue that we don't need "cultural gatekeepers", who control our perceptions of what's "quality" and what's shit. Incidentally, those are the people whom like to throw out the word "elitist" alot.

Others would say that they are necessary outgrowths of our culture where we naturally exalt acheivement, and use it as the standard to judge all which comes after it.

The problem, when it comes to electronic music, is that the bar for what's "quality" can change about as fast as someone's ability to coin a new genre name for it. It's not like classical, where excellence is determined from within defined constraints that have remained unchanged for centuries. In EDM, the constraints are so fluid that they aren't really "constraints" at all. in turn, you can only define quality from within that narrow (and often overlapping) contexts. Thus why it's silly to take a 'ardcore tune from '92 and try and compare it to Breakage.

Ultimately, I think the digital era hasn't really lowered quality. Rather, it's made the definition so fluid that it means almost nothing at all when taken outside of it's context.

[Catalyst]

that wouldnt be very junglist.

:haha:

[proximity]

junglist. another overused word that is used in a laughable context 99% of the time. also needs to die :thumbsup:

[daniella downs]

i can state for a fact that hardly anyone in the "community" cares what most people in the rave scene think :yes:


but yet if there was never a rave scene, there would be no dnb community.

funny how that works out, doesnt it?


junglist. another overused word that is used in a laughable context 99% of the time. also needs to die :thumbsup:


are you all finally reaching that "i'm a party kid, not a raver" thing that went around a buncha years ago?

[proximity]

but yet if there was never a rave scene, there would be no dnb community.

funny how that works out, doesnt it?

evolution :thumbsup:

i doubt homo sapiens would relate very well with neanderthal either http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/images/icons/badteeth.gif

[daniella downs]

evolution :thumbsup:

i doubt homo sapiens would relate very well with neanderthal either http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/images/icons/badteeth.gif


cuz nothing says evolution like the amen break :catalyst:

[proximity]

cuz nothing says evolution like the amen break :catalyst:

well to be fair there are about 30023232 different things you can do with the amen. there are only so many uses for speedy pills, vicks masks, candy jewelry, and pacifiers :catie:

[Alter-Ego]

Question for Ian...

Do dnb people come into breaks threads and make fun of people and point out all the idiot things that they do?

If "junglists" are so stupid why lower yourself and post in their forum?

[daniella downs]

Question for Ian...

Do dnb people come into breaks threads and make fun of people and point out all the idiot things that they do?

If "junglists" are so stupid why lower yourself and post in their forum?


to your first question - sometimes

and to your second question - they arent. i have never once said they were. i just said they bitch a lot. which even i do, but you all do it 10x worse.

honestly, because the people in my forum never fucking talk, and i think you all are much cooler than the househeads.

ha.

contrary to what you may think brad, i actually do think you are pretty cool, and have no issues with you whatsoever.


http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs8/300W/i/2005/302/4/9/Damn__We__re_really_gay__by_ra_ar.jpg

[Alter-Ego]

contrary to what you may think brad, i actually do think you are pretty cool, and have no issues with you whatsoever.

How gay of you.

[Russell Christ]

it's a progression.

first goes the hair.....then goes the talent.

LOL

:yes:

[daniella downs]

How gay of you.


hence the really gay picture underneath.

[THE BLACKEST]

Ian you bitch more than any one else I know cept for me. So STFU and GTFO---->

[Alter-Ego]

Once again....

D drops knowledge

[daniella downs]

you want to fight?

the fury of cuba is gwan to fuck you up.

[THE BLACKEST]

Don't make me break the boat you came here on.

[daniella downs]

Don't make me break the boat you came here on.

you know that goes both ways on this one, right?

[THE BLACKEST]

you know that goes both ways on this one, right?


Yeah well half of my people swam over here.

[daniella downs]

Yeah well half of my people swam over here.


don't hate because my people were smart enough to hook up lawnmower engines to their rafts.

[Alter-Ego]

goes both ways

It all makes sense now

btw I just :weazel:

[THE BLACKEST]

They stole em from puerto rico. Damn cubans!!


BTW when we played at Alias that one time we should've went by Bean VS Bean or something.....

[daniella downs]

It all makes sense now


hi sexy.



They stole em from puerto rico. Damn cubans!!


BTW when we played at Alias that one time we should've went by Bean VS Bean or something.....


LOL.

totally.

btw, i have something to send you today. hit me up on aim tonite.

[PaulieWalnuts]

Why High Contrast has done another remix of a top 40 hip hop tune? First there was the Gold Digger rmx, now hes done a remix of a Missy Elliot track called "We Run This" (Ive never heard of it but Im assuming its top 40) I mean I like his production, but he needs to stay with dnb and let the top 40 hip hop world decay on its own.
Ri-i-i-ight. Top 40 is decaying while dnb is absolutely thriving.

So that's really not U2 and Green Day opening Monday Night Football tonight, it's Die and Clipz?

The Top 40 market is money. Dnb? Not quite so money, and the guy's probably got kids to feed.

http://videodetective.com/photos/030/001266_34.jpg
Hey, man, I got fi-i-ive kids to feed!

Really, we should just be happy that Missy Elliott has even heard drum and bass before!

[MURAMASA]

This is a question that extends far beyond music. When the modes of production become accessible to the masses, does the sheer amount of quantity produce a net loss in quality?

Some would argue that we don't need "cultural gatekeepers", who control our perceptions of what's "quality" and what's shit. Incidentally, those are the people whom like to throw out the word "elitist" alot.

Others would say that they are necessary outgrowths of our culture where we naturally exalt acheivement, and use it as the standard to judge all which comes after it.

The problem, when it comes to electronic music, is that the bar for what's "quality" can change about as fast as someone's ability to coin a new genre name for it. It's not like classical, where excellence is determined from within defined constraints that have remained unchanged for centuries. In EDM, the constraints are so fluid that they aren't really "constraints" at all. in turn, you can only define quality from within that narrow (and often overlapping) contexts. Thus why it's silly to take a 'ardcore tune from '92 and try and compare it to Breakage.

Ultimately, I think the digital era hasn't really lowered quality. Rather, it's made the definition so fluid that it means almost nothing at all when taken outside of it's context.

Makes me wonder if an art form created in the late 20th century has the same staying power as an art form created by early man? Do you think the 'DJing is cool' element a necessary one in these times in order for edm to survive? Is Illeffect really the baddest?

:FUBAR:

[decoy]

cant wait till the start doing Country DnB remixes(rollz eyez)
can someone get on that..
i dont produce or i would try it


it's all about Friends in low basses - Pendulum :raveon:
"welll, I got friends with low basses.... where the amens drown and reece chases my blues away, and I'll be ok...."

or a remix of that tune Honkey Tonk Badonkadonk. I love that tune to death.

on topic: golddiger remix=:thumbsup: we run this=:thumbsdown:

not feelin it.

but I think the best use of hip hop is Disko Rekah by loefah. he sampled busta rhymes saying "wreck the discotech.." and made a killer dubstep tune out of it. it's by far cooler than anything ever. I hope I hear it in NYC this weekend, one can only hope.

[decoy]

to be completely honest tho brad....

and i dont mean this to sound like i'm hating on you persay,

but junglists bitch more than anyone about music.

if you say i'm wrong, you're smoking the rock.

I dunno, those househeads seem pretty cantankerous :elad:

[Cakes]

Makes me wonder if an art form created in the late 20th century has the same staying power as an art form created by early man? Do you think the 'DJing is cool' element a necessary one in these times in order for edm to survive? Is Illeffect really the baddest?

:FUBAR:

The DJs are cool thing died out the moment everyone became a DJ. The production is cool model is also dying for the same reasons. You don't need to invest thousands in gear now when you can leech software for free from the net, throw some half hearted loops together and call it a tune. It's no longer a labor of love. It's become kind of superficial process for many guys throwing tracks together. Hence a lot of chaff for all the wheat. On the positive side however, more product on the whole means more potential for good music to be made. You'll just end up having to dig harder through turds to find it.

The shelf life/staying power of art is mirroring technology IMHO. It's more available, cheap and diverse so people (in this case listeners) obviously value it less. It's also changing faster than ever which means that the fluidity that Sr. Ricardo mentioned plays more of a part in the choices listeners make. For that reason alone you could say that the staying power is far less than art created by early man. I also believe that in most cases art now is simply refining what is already out there so you lose the true novelty of newness that early man would have had when the first stained glass window was constructed or the first "pot with titties" was crafted from clay. I suppose from here we could get into a discussion about the semantics of "art" which would never end since the concept is so subjective.

Illeffect is yet to be determined to be the baddest. I believe he is on the correct path however. Photek, he must confront Photek. Only then the baddest will he be.

[daniella downs]

I dunno, those househeads seem pretty cantankerous :elad:


jeah, but junglists are really the only community where you will find a shit ton of people that proudly exclaim something like "if it's not dnb, it sucks"

[Alter-Ego]

jeah, but junglists are really the only community where you will find a shit ton of people that proudly exclaim something like "if it's not dnb, it sucks"

Umm I take offense to that even if it is not directed at me, these are stereotypes you are mentioning, this does not account for everyone, stop pigeon hole'n junglists please

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

jeah, but junglists are really the only community where you will find a shit ton of people that proudly exclaim something like "if it's not dnb, it sucks"


i once got into a heated argument with a "junglist" as to how i could possibly like house music b/c it was so simple and poppy

[daniella downs]

dude, you must be fucking joking -

how many times have you heard something along the lines of "i like dnb. everything else sucks"


now, how many times have you heard "i like happy hardcore. everything else sucks"


just cuz you arent like that, doesnt mean there arent a shit ton of people who love your genre that ARE like that.


i once got into a heated argument with a "junglist" as to how i could possibly like house music b/c it was so simple and poppy


i rest my case.

[THE BLACKEST]

I like happy hardcore, everything else sucks.

[Alter-Ego]

Well all I will say is this, I know a lot of junglists/ dnb djs/ dnb producers (as do you I might add) that love all types of music. I dont care if there is a shit ton of douchebags out there that think dnb is the only good type of music, they are just ignorant, stop generalizing

just because I dont like house, doesnt mean I think dnb is the ONLY MUSIC THERE IS

someone needs to grow up

(not talking to you Ian)

[Verbal Radiation]

i use to be that way...
DNB roolez and everyone else Go die in a fire!!
but i saw the light and understood that if i opened myself up to different genres speak that they spoke to different facets of my soul.

but ya know what?
FUCK COUNTRY MUSIC!!

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

someone needs to grow up

(not talking to you Ian)

hmmm well obviously this is directed at me

but seriously you may not like house music, and thats fine, but that argument we had all you did was make me feel stupid for enjoying it and degrading my opinions b/c you thought "i was as passionate about dnb as you were"

im a traitor to the cause


that is all

[daniella downs]

Well all I will say is this, I know a lot of junglists/ dnb djs/ dnb producers (as do you I might add) that love all types of music. I dont care if there is a shit ton of douchebags out there that think dnb is the only good type of music, they are just ignorant, stop generalizing

just because I dont like house, doesnt mean I think dnb is the ONLY MUSIC THERE IS

someone needs to grow up

(not talking to you Ian)


i did originally quote doh too, but i don't think i need to.

i agree with a lot of what you just said. as long as you can admit there are a lot.

i am totally giving up breaks for happy hardcore.

[THE BLACKEST]

Honestly I can't stand dnb heads that feel that everything else sucks. Thats how you get artists(not naming names) that make tunes that sound like they are influenced by, drum n bass. Meh, I'd go on, but I didn't bring my soap box today. The D has spoken..kinda.

[Alter-Ego]

i am totally giving up breaks for happy hardcore.

Im thinking of giving up music all together for drama

Im far better at causing drama than I will ever be at mixing records

Happy Hardcore rmx of Airplane or stfu

[daniella downs]

i still really want a breaks mix of airplane.

and i dunno, i think i have you beat on the drama causing thing.

[THE BLACKEST]

Im thinking of giving up music all together for drama

Im far better at causing drama than I will ever be at mixing records

Happy Hardcore rmx of Airplane or stfu



i still really want a breaks mix of airplane.

and i dunno, i think i have you beat on the drama causing thing.


You both are drama queens.

[Verbal Radiation]

would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs?

[Alter-Ego]

You both are drama queens.

Well your a racist!

[jibboo]

would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs?
I know I would. Heck, I'd have seconds. Then polish it off with a tall, cool Budweiser

[Alter-Ego]

Is anyone else as excited as I am for the season premier of the Gilmore Girls?

[shade]

no.

[THE BLACKEST]

Well your a racist!


Duh everyone knows that.

[Alter-Ego]

no.

liar :booty: