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PotBelly
2006-07-20, 11:50 AM
British anger at terror celebration
By Ned Parker and Stephen Farrell

The commemoration of Israeli bombings that killing 92 people has caused offence

AS ISRAEL wages war against Hezbollah “terrorists” in Lebanon, Britain has protested about the celebration by right-wing Israelis of a Jewish “act of terrorism” against British rule 60 years ago this week.


The rightwingers, including Binyamin Netanyahu, the former Prime Minister, are commemorating the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, the headquarters of British rule, that killed 92 people and helped to drive the British from Palestine.

They have erected a plaque outside the restored building, and are holding a two-day seminar with speeches and a tour of the hotel by one of the Jewish resistance fighters involved in the attack.

Simon McDonald, the British Ambassador in Tel Aviv, and John Jenkins, the Consul-General in Jerusalem, have written to the municipality, stating: “We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated.”

In particular they demanded the removal of the plaque that pays tribute to the Irgun, the Jewish resistance branch headed by Menachem Begin, the future Prime Minister, which carried out the attack on July 22, 1946.

The plaque presents as fact the Irgun’s claim that people died because the British ignored warning calls. “For reasons known only to the British, the hotel was not evacuated,” it states.

Mr McDonald and Dr Jenkins denied that the British had been warned, adding that even if they had “this does not absolve those who planted the bomb from responsibility for the deaths”. On Monday city officials agreed to remove the language deemed offensive from the blue sign hanging on the hotel’s gates, though that had not been done shortly before it was unveiled last night.

The controversy over the plaque and the two-day celebration of the bombing, sponsored by Irgun veterans and the right-wing Menachem Begin Heritage Centre, goes to the heart of the debate over the use of political violence in the Middle East. Yesterday Mr Netanyahu argued in a speech celebrating the attack that the Irgun were governed by morals, unlike fighters from groups such as Hamas.

“It’s very important to make the distinction between terror groups and freedom fighters, and between terror action and legitimate military action,” he said. “Imagine that Hamas or Hezbollah would call the military headquarters in Tel Aviv and say, ‘We have placed a bomb and we are asking you to evacuate the area’.”

But the view of the attack was very different in 1946 when The Times branded the Irgun “terrorists in disguise”. Decades later, Irgun veterans are unrepentant. Sarah Agassi, 80, remembers spying in the King David Hotel.

She and a fellow agent posed as a couple. They danced tangos and waltzes, sipped whisky and wine while they cased out the hotel.

On the day her brother and his fellow fighters posed as Arabs delivering milk and brought seven milk churns, each containing 50kg of explosives, into the building. Ms Agassi waited across the street until her brother rushed out. She said that she then made the warning call to the British command in the hotel.

Sitting in the luxurious hotel lobby, she expressed no regret. “We fought for our independence. We thought it was the right way . . . If I had to fight for Israel, I swear even now I would do anything.”

TWO VERSIONS

The original wording:

The Hotel housed the Mandate Secretariat as well as the Army Headquarters. On July 1946 (sic) Irgun fighters at the order of the Hebrew Resistance Movement planted explosives in the basement. Warning phone calls had been made urging the hotel’s occupants to leave immediately. For reasons known only to the British the hotel was not evacuated and after 25 minutes the bombs exploded, and to the Irgun’s regret and dismay 91 persons were killed.

The amended version

. . .Warning phone calls had been made to the hotel, the Palestine Post and the French Consulate, urging the hotel’s occupants to leave immediately.

The hotel was not evacuated, and after 25 minutes the bombs exploded. The entire western wing was destroyed, and to the Irgun’s regret 92 persons were killed.

method
2006-07-20, 12:04 PM
where's the rest?

PotBelly
2006-07-20, 12:10 PM
fixed. there were only a few more words.

Methodus
2006-07-20, 12:56 PM
Interesting to see that there was a warning sent out. While I do not condone what happened, those are quite different tactics than what is taken on by today's 'terrorists'.

PotBelly
2006-07-20, 01:40 PM
Interesting to see that there was a warning sent out. While I do not condone what happened, those are quite different tactics than what is taken on by today's 'terrorists'.
It's not definite that a warning was sent out. That's only what the terrorists claim. I really don't see what is so different about the way they bombed a hotel.

NYGblue
2006-07-20, 01:59 PM
Interesting to see that there was a warning sent out. While I do not condone what happened, those are quite different tactics than what is taken on by today's 'terrorists'.

How is blowing up a building and killing innocent people different? Why because the bombers didn't blow themselves up? Not all Islamic Extremists blow themselves up. The Madrid Bombings are believed to have been done by backpacks placed in the trains. No suicides. That is just a major example, there are tons of others.

Methodus
2006-07-20, 02:30 PM
How is blowing up a building and killing innocent people different? Why because the bombers didn't blow themselves up? Not all Islamic Extremists blow themselves up. The Madrid Bombings are believed to have been done by backpacks placed in the trains. No suicides. That is just a major example, there are tons of others.

I thought I was clear. The difference being there supposedly was a warning. So if we assume they did send out a warning, then their objective was a military target: Mandate Secretariat & Army Headquarters. The majority of attacks today seem to target civilians.

PotBelly
2006-07-20, 02:49 PM
It was a hotel that happened to house the offices the Mandate and the army headquarters. Anyways, to me the point is that before Israel gained their superiority in weapons for conventional warfare they had no problem employing the tactics that they now decry.

PotBelly
2006-07-20, 02:56 PM
I also don't know why we would assume that the terrorists called in a warning. The British deny it and it doesn't really make sense to me. If she called in the warning just as the bombers were running out the front door as she claims that would really put them in jeopardy of being captured or of the British finding the bombs.

ZRilla
2006-07-20, 03:07 PM
I also don't know why we would assume that the terrorists called in a warning. The British deny it and it doesn't really make sense to me. If she called in the warning just as the bombers were running out the front door as she claims that would really put them in jeopardy of being captured or of the British finding the bombs.

Who knows. But planting bombs and calling in warnings was a common practice.

PaulieWalnuts
2006-07-20, 03:15 PM
This is true. I did it yesterday at Neiman Marcus.

method
2006-07-20, 03:23 PM
zomg biochemical warfare! paul, i'm going to have to ask you to arrest yourself for hating freedom.

uberclkgtr
2006-07-20, 03:24 PM
most of al queda's targets against the US have been military. the world trade center was the anomoly, not the rule.

ZRilla
2006-07-20, 03:26 PM
Here is the Wiki entry -


Despite its initial approval, repeated delays of the operation were requested by the Haganah in response to the changing political situation. The plan consisted of Irgun men, dressed as hotel employees and carrying the explosives which were concealed in milk cans, entering the building from a Cafe at the ground floor, and placing the charges below the Hotel Wing where the British institutions were located. Finally it was decided the attack would take place on July 22 at 11:00 (as at this time the Cafe would be relatively empty). The attack used approximately 350 kg of explosives spread across six charges. Due to a delay the operation started at 12:00, and a minor gunfight ensued with two British military men who became suspicious and tried to intervene. After placing the bombs, the Irgun men quickly escaped and detonated a small explosive in the street outside the hotel to keep passers-by away from the area.

A warning message was delivered to the telephone operator of the King David Hotel before the attack and also delivered to the French consulate and the Palestine Post newspaper. According to Irgun sources, the message read "I am speaking on behalf of the Hebrew underground. We have placed an explosive device in the hotel. Evacuate it at once - you have been warned."

Irgun representatives have always claimed that the warning was given well in advance so that adequate time was available to evacuate the hotel. Menachem Begin writes (p. 221, The Revolt, <1951> ed.) that the telephone message was delivered 25 - 27 minutes before the explosion. The British authorities denied for many years that there had been a warning at all, but the leaking of the internal police report on the bombing during the 1970s proved that a warning had indeed been received. However, the report claimed that the warning was only just being delivered to the officer in charge as the bomb went off.

method
2006-07-20, 03:30 PM
i guess instead of relaying the message to evacuate the hotel, they were like:

clerk: "wot's this then? a bomb? bluddy 'ell! 'oo ya think we otta tell about this then there eh nigel?"

nigel: "damned if i know, there's a lotta people, innit?"

PaulieWalnuts
2006-07-20, 05:04 PM
Well, man, you know who they had working the front desk at the time: Manuel. And when they called in the warning the only thing he could say was, "Que!?"
http://www.poster.net/fawlty-towers/fawlty-towers-photo-xl-fawlty-towers-6209484.jpg
^Scene at the actual hotel evacuation.

ZRilla
2006-07-21, 12:10 AM
Well, man, you know who they had working the front desk at the time: Manuel. And when they called in the warning the only thing he could say was, "Que!?"
http://www.poster.net/fawlty-towers/fawlty-towers-photo-xl-fawlty-towers-6209484.jpg
^Scene at the actual hotel evacuation.

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