I'm confused....

[PaulieWalnuts]

I'm confused. The whole thing about this DJ competition is that it is supposedly for amateurs, but how can they be amateurs when one of the entrants is playing out overseas (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66011)? And, well, a bunch of these other guys have played out in all manner of gigs before all over the place; playing out on the same roster as Pendulum and already having started a record label with accompanying professional club nights counts as "amateur?"

[maynard]

'Amateur' just means that they don't DJ for a living. It has nothing to do with how often they play out or where they play out. If DJing is neither Proxxy nor Lantern's primary source of income, then they are still "amateurs." I can't be sure but I'm willing to bet they both have day jobs.

[proxxy]

'Amateur' just means that they don't DJ for a living. It has nothing to do with how often they play out or where they play out. If DJing is neither Proxxy nor Lantern's primary source of income, then they are still "amateurs." I can't be sure but I'm willing to bet they both have day jobs.

I have two jobs plus school.. :yes: and i'm a slacker and didn't enter the contest..

[PaulieWalnuts]

'Amateur' just means that they don't DJ for a living. It has nothing to do with how often they play out or where they play out. If DJing is neither Proxxy nor Lantern's primary source of income, then they are still "amateurs." I can't be sure but I'm willing to bet they both have day jobs.
Getting money to do something means you are professional and no longer amateur. I do not get paid to launch rockets; I am an amateur rocketeer. I have, however, gotten money to design advertisements; I am, and always will be, a professional advertisement designer.

Funkmaster Flex probably gets paid more from his mixtapes sales and TV appearances than he does for his DJ gigs, but he is most decidedly NOT an amateur DJ. Neither would Moby be.

Basically, I think it's misleading that Cubik involves the word "amateur" into the ethos of this competition when it appears that the DJs whose profiles I'm looking at right now have been playing out in gigs for money for years.

[Terry85]

First off, by the dictionary definition of an amateur, you can get paid for something and still be an amateur. Second, who cares?


It will be fun and I'm looking forward to being there on the 18th to watch the finalists.

[LizE]

Getting money to do something means you are professional and no longer amateur. I do not get paid to launch rockets; I am an amateur rocketeer. I have, however, gotten money to design advertisements; I am, and always will be, a professional advertisement designer.

Funkmaster Flex probably gets paid more from his mixtapes sales and TV appearances than he does for his DJ gigs, but he is most decidedly NOT an amateur DJ. Neither would Moby be.

Basically, I think it's misleading that Cubik involves the word "amateur" into the ethos of this competition when it appears that the DJs whose profiles I'm looking at right now have been playing out in gigs for money for years.

Jesus Christ, quit your bitching. If you have a problem with it, don't fucking come.

[Terry85]

Jesus Christ, quit your bitching. If you have a problem with it, don't fucking come.


:werd: :hifive:

[2rip]

Jesus Christ, quit your bitching. If you have a problem with it, don't fucking come.


i love how this statement is always the "end-all" for conversations. i don't think he was necessarily bitching tho.

[LizE]

maybe not. i prolly shouldn't have typed anything. i need sleep.

[Cliff]

maybe not. i prolly shouldn't have typed anything. i need sleep.

I disagree, you hit the nail on the head.


If getting paid for a gig means your a professional, then most of the list wouldn't qualify as I'm sure at one time or another they have been paid for a gig here and there.

The bottom line is that the officials over the contest have allowed him to enter knowing where he has played and has felt that he qualifies for amatuer status.

Accept it or don't, no one really gives a shit either way.

[zartan]

I made $200 to play a frat party once. So I must be a pro right?!??!

Please brilliant genius YDABOM - let me know where the "pro" cutoff is and explain your justification for that.

[Cliff]

I made $200 to play a frat party once. So I must be a pro right?!??!

Please brilliant genius YDABOM - let me know where the "pro" cutoff is and explain your justification for that.


Is this frat looking to book more djs? I want to propel myself to "professional" status if they are.

[zartan]

lol. i had a good old time playing gay disco for frat ho's at 4am, not likely to happen again.

[Cliff]

lol. i had a good old time playing gay disco for frat ho's at 4am, not likely to happen again.

FUCK, I could totally rock some frat ho's world with some of my tunes!!!

[zartan]

they would love you. however i rocked my PVD-style rep to suck up the benjamins, they're all gone.

[Cliff]

they would love you.


The sun alway shines a little bit brighter at the thought of frat hos getting jiggy to my sounds.

The day is now complete.

[zartan]

its not iunlkiely that i'll b e invited to another show - will invite you if you are into hot 19 year olds.

[Cliff]

nah, my fraggle rock days are so 2004.

[AmandaHuie]

This contest uses this definition for amateur -

AMATEUR
Main Entry: am·a·teur
Pronunciation: 'a-m&-(")t&r, -"tur, -"tyur, -"chur, -ch&r
Function: noun
2 : one who engages in a pursuit, study, science, or sport as a pastime rather than as a profession

And this one for fair -

FAIR
Main Entry: fair
Pronunciation: 'far, 'fer
Function: adjective
6 a : marked by impartiality and honesty : free from self-interest, prejudice, or favoritism b : conforming with the established rules : ALLOWED

[DjLantern]

I'm confused. The whole thing about this DJ competition is that it is supposedly for amateurs, but how can they be amateurs when one of the entrants is playing out overseas (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66011)? And, well, a bunch of these other guys have played out in all manner of gigs before all over the place; playing out on the same roster as Pendulum and already having started a record label with accompanying professional club nights counts as "amateur?"

ok 1st off if I didn't have my day job there would be no way in hell I could afford to be a dj

not unless I was a "professional"

there are very few paying gigs in the area and shit I'll play for 4 drink tickets lol

I don't really see your point, so what if some dj's from around here have achieved higher levels then others. Does that automaticlly disqualify them?

a local is a local, unless your signed on a label, touring the world and its your Sole Job to be a dj/producer and so on then I don't see why anyone can't enter this contest. Plain and Simple

why would pendulum enter or someone of his status need to, there already big and famous and crap

ANYWAY

looking forward to friday, this shall be fun

[ms boombatti]

lantern owns joooo.

*lanternbop*

[beth]

I'm confused. The whole thing about this DJ competition is that it is supposedly for amateurs, but how can they be amateurs when one of the entrants is playing out overseas (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66011)? And, well, a bunch of these other guys have played out in all manner of gigs before all over the place; playing out on the same roster as Pendulum and already having started a record label with accompanying professional club nights counts as "amateur?"

shut up.

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

I'm confused. The whole thing about this DJ competition is that it is supposedly for amateurs, but how can they be amateurs when one of the entrants is playing out overseas (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66011)? And, well, a bunch of these other guys have played out in all manner of gigs before all over the place; playing out on the same roster as Pendulum and already having started a record label with accompanying professional club nights counts as "amateur?"
This competition is for the locals. There is a vast difference between someone who makes his keep on dj gigs and someone who takes something paying here and there.

I'm sorry you're confused, but you didn't enter so I don't see why it matters to you at all?

Jesus Christ, quit your bitching. If you have a problem with it, don't fucking come.
He won't. He's one of those guys who just never seems to find his way to the club.

[ms boombatti]

He won't. He's one of those guys who just never seems to find his way to the club.

pardon me, is this where the rave is tonight?

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

But of course - go back that way and take a left at the second abandoned warehouse. You should hear the dun-tss dun-tss dun-tss about that time - let your raver intuition guide.

[beth]

But of course - go back that way and take a left at the second abandoned warehouse. You should hear the dun-tss dun-tss dun-tss about that time - let your raver intuition guide.

look out for the checkpoint.

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

Tweet tweet!

[ras_cee]

look kids I fucked up the check points again its a left not a right

[LilLemur416]

look kids I fucked up the check points again its a left not a right

This is totally why we all need to get those handy picture phones. Then we can just text people pictures of land marks - like in that commerical....

[beth]

look kids I fucked up the check points again its a left not a right

Do yOu LikE jUNgLE?!

[beth]

/tweet

[ras_cee]

Do yOu LikE jUNgLE?!
:specialed:

[BPMninja]

So how many people would want to go to a club filled with bedroom dj's? :noway:

Since everyone on that list has had a gig that they've been paid for at one point in time.

[ras_cee]

So how many people would want to go to a club filled with bedroom dj's? :noway:

Since everyone on that list has had a gig that they've been paid for at one point in time.
I would

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

So how many people would want to go to a club filled with bedroom dj's? :noway:

Since everyone on that list has had a gig that they've been paid for at one point in time.
That depends - are they hot?

[BPMninja]

:ponder:

Probably not. Because if they were hot, they would have already had plenty of gigs.

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

Well then, ew.

:thumbsdown:

[BPMninja]

I have a question.

Does a DJ ho ever lose 'amateur' status?

I mean, they never get paid for it, and some of those bitches are straight up professionals.

Or would a pearl necklace count as payment?

[The Logic Theorist]

I have a question.

Does a DJ ho ever lose 'amateur' status?

I mean, they never get paid for it, and some of those bitches are straight up professionals.

Or would a pearl necklace count as payment?

As long as there's a "money shot" it's payment.

[The Logic Theorist]

look out for the checkpoint.

Look for the Hondas. Anywhere you find a lot of Hondas there are ravers.

[maynard]

Getting money to do something means you are professional and no longer amateur.

No, it does not. "Professional" means that you do it for a LIVING. This is not a difficult concept to grasp, even for someone as feeble-minded as yourself. I play poker online, and make money at it; but I am not a professional poker player.

pro·fes·sion·al
n.

2. One who earns a living in a given or implied occupation: hired a professional to decorate the house.


am·a·teur
n.

1. A person who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.


Only in the sports world does taking money mean you are NOT an amateur. But once again, I think you are being difficult for the sake of being difficult.

[LilLemur416]

But once again, I think you are being difficult for the sake of being difficult.

:bravo:

We have a winner!

[PotBelly]

I saw a couple of those DJ's get a free beer at a gig once. Disqualified!

[BPMninja]

You and your 'logic' Dan...

Jeez.

[zartan]

good to hear i'm a professional DJ by this moronic logic. will definitely be adding that to my resume.

[Kif]

according to this...I'm one of the only amature dj's left...I should have signed up.

[Terry85]

:afterbuzz: :rofl: at this whole thread.

[PaulieWalnuts]

i rocked my PVD-style rep to suck up the benjamins...
There you go, zartan, you answered in spirit your own first post in the post asking what a professional is. Playing out for beer or beer money is not really like you're playing for gain; chances are if you played at a frat, in your instance, it's not like you signed a binding contract for performance.

But look here, the one of the contestants appears towrite in his own words (http://www.unifiedculture.net/main/event-787.php) that he has a regular residency at a local nightclub; discounting whatever he's done in the past and his prior lauds, surely this deejay is getting paid more than honorarium to do what ostensibly appears to be a paying, professional gig.

In this profile here (http://www.contactrecords.com/intellect.html), we see mention of one of the contestants having a "demanding schedule of gigs in the DC area" in 2005 among "tag-team sets as well as solos at larger venues/rave events....to venues/rave events in the Baltimore/Washington/Northern VA areas and up and down the East Coast." Discounting record production, amateurs don't have "gigs;" professionals have gigs. Amateurs have recitals, performances, auditions, but rarely do they get "gigs."

Here we see mention (http://dcskillz.com/artists/getartist.asp?id=26) of "a multitude of high-profile gigs;" this deejay played out at Ultraworld, he played the Buzzlife Anniversary Party, he's played out in Florida and varied local clubs; this is no amateur, this is a touring DJ with weekly appearances and already-scheduled performance dates.

I'm looking right at the Official News post "The 2005 Scion Battle of the DJs" (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64497) and it specifically says "...the best amateur DJs and Turntablists on the East Coast will duke it out until only one remains," but nowhere on the form does it ask an entrant to conform that they are an amateur DJ; what is done to maintain a spirit of competitive honor?

Basically, why not just drop the "amateur" lapel from this competition since some of these contestants are obviously veterans who appear (some by what appears to be their own accounts no less) to play out for more than a standard honoraria?

[ras_cee]

:haha:

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

:haha:

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

JINX!

[ras_cee]

JINX!
:hifive:

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

Basically, why not just drop the "amateur" lapel from this competition since some of these contestants are obviously veterans who appear (some by what appears to be their own accounts no less) to play out for more than a standard honoraria?
Question - how many of those dj profiles say they are signed to a record label?

[Kif]

:deadhorse:


some fuckers just don't know when to stop do they?

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

In this profile here (http://www.contactrecords.com/intellect.html), we see mention of one of the contestants having a "demanding schedule of gigs in the DC area" in 2005 among "tag-team sets as well as solos at larger venues/rave events....to venues/rave events in the Baltimore/Washington/Northern VA areas and up and down the East Coast." Discounting record production, amateurs don't have "gigs;" professionals have gigs. Amateurs have recitals, performances, auditions, but rarely do they get "gigs."
Sorry for the double post here...

Give me a break, you're bitching about the word "gigs"? What ELSE do djs (professional, amateur, and bedroom alike) call a booking of any sort? It's a GIG. Unless you think that getting booked anywhere disqualifies someone? Also, if I were a dj and had friends in other areas of the coast, you bet your ass I'd try to get booked there. Why? Because it's fun, for the experience. But would it make me a professional? PFFFT.

Get over it.

[Cliff]

look kids I fucked up the check points again its a left not a right


for this, i give you "the nod"

[ras_cee]

http://www.cybermoonstudios.com/SaiyanB4L.jpg

[The Logic Theorist]

*snip*

Just curious.. did you enter and not get in or something?

[ras_cee]

for this, i give you "the nod"
Its all about "the nod"

[maynard]

But look here, the one of the contestants appears towrite in his own words (http://www.unifiedculture.net/main/event-787.php) that he has a regular residency at a local nightclub; discounting whatever he's done in the past and his prior lauds, surely this deejay is getting paid more than honorarium to do what ostensibly appears to be a paying, professional gig.

Do you even know how much local gigs pay, even if one has a residency? I can assure you it's not enough to make a living on. Once again, getting paid to do something != professional.

In this profile here, we see mention of one of the contestants having a "demanding schedule of gigs in the DC area" in 2005 among "tag-team sets as well as solos at larger venues/rave events....to venues/rave events in the Baltimore/Washington/Northern VA areas and up and down the East Coast." Discounting record production, amateurs don't have "gigs;" professionals have gigs. Amateurs have recitals, performances, auditions, but rarely do they get "gigs."

Can you read? I don't normally result to this kind of name-calling, but Jesus Christ dude, you're a fucking idiot. Amateurs DO have gigs. Once again, "amateur" simply means that they don't do it for a living.

[url=http://dcskillz.com/artists/getartist.asp?id=26]Here we see mention (http://www.contactrecords.com/intellect.html) of "a multitude of high-profile gigs;" this deejay played out at Ultraworld, he played the Buzzlife Anniversary Party, he's played out in Florida and varied local clubs; this is no amateur, this is a touring DJ with weekly appearances and already-scheduled performance dates.

Once again, unless you're a big name DJ (or PROFESSIONAL), these gigs probably don't pay that much. He's not a "touring DJ", the DJ in question has already stated that he has a day job. His gigs alone could not pay the rent, nor could they support his DJing. A "touring DJ" would not be able to hold a day job due to him being away for long periods of time.

I'm looking right at the Official News post "The 2005 Scion Battle of the DJs" (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64497) and it specifically says "...the best amateur DJs and Turntablists on the East Coast will duke it out until only one remains," but nowhere on the form does it ask an entrant to conform that they are an amateur DJ; what is done to maintain a spirit of competitive honor?

You honestly think a professional, touring DJ is going to enter this contest? The prize money that is going to the winner, most professional DJs make in like 20 minutes. Get a clue!

Basically, why not just drop the "amateur" lapel from this competition since some of these contestants are obviously veterans who appear (some by what appears to be their own accounts no less) to play out for more than a standard honoraria?

You can be a "veteran" of DJing and still be an amateur. You're taking "amateur" to mean someone who is not skilled at a craft - this is not the case.

I don't know why I typed this all out. Boredom, probably.

[PaulieWalnuts]

No, LOL, I'm not a deejay!

But three years and a half years ago some of these cats were playing out at places I went to and darned if they didn't act like (mostly) professional performers.

Getting signed to a record label really doesn't enter into what a professional deejay is since in the music industry as a whole it is music producers and writers or live performers (read: sing and dance, play guitars or drums or violins or vibes or bongos or glockenspiels or harmonicas etc. etc.) who take up the bulk of performance contracts.

However, receiving compensation for a performance for more than an honorarium does encompass the act of a professional. You're telling me that playing at Ultraworld only pays "beer money" for DJ's?

The form didn't even ask you to confirm you were an amateur, but the first sentence describing the contest has "amateur" in it.

So why not drop "amateur" from all the advertising? It's obvious that some of your contestants are not amateurs, however much they love doing what they do.

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

I think you have way too much time on your hands.

You should move to Denver and pick up a hobby.

[PaulieWalnuts]

But answer me, do you honestly think that if you DJ at Ultraworld you don't have SOME kind of contract, verbal or written, that can be recognized lawfully?

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

I'm not a dj, nor do I presume to know the intimate details of personal bookings.


I know about all the contracts I read while working in the Office - but they hardly compare to the average dj found amung the locals.

[maynard]

But answer me, do you honestly think that if you DJ at Ultraworld you don't have SOME kind of contract, verbal or written, that can be recognized lawfully?

*furrows brow*

:confused:

I'm sure it is, but what exactly does that have to do with anything? Such a contract does not denote that one is a "professional."

[proxxy]

lol. i had a good old time playing gay disco for frat ho's at 4am, not likely to happen again.

yea!!! Frat Hoe's = :flash:

[PaulieWalnuts]

If you do something for a fixed business price or under the observation of an agreement that can be enforced lawfully, you are doing it as a professional regardless of your skill level or love of the act.

Example: Keoki. Everyone slammed him for being a crappy DJ but he still got paid for what he did. Now, he can become an amateur again if he gives up receiving more than honoraria for his performace for a reasonably long amount of time, but from the profiles I'm looking at (and I've found others on other entrants) some entrants seem to perform, under contracts, for money up to the date of the competition.

I'm not bitching, I'm not complaining about anything; I'm saying that Cubik made a mistake. It's a small mistake, it's only one word, but it still seems to be a mistake nonetheless.

[BPMninja]

I'm an amateur photographer. People advertise for students to shoot weddings ALL the time. Many times they ask you to sign a small contract saying that you won't publish their personal pictures unless you ask, they'll make sure financial stuff is covered and they make sure that they lock you into showing up.

A single side job taking pictures for people trying to save a few hundred dollars on hiring a professional photographer, doesn't do anything to adjust my amateur status. I just happen to have a paid gig under my belt. I still have to keep going to class and my full time job.

[maynard]

No, Keoki would be an amateur again if DJing stopped being his primary source of income. I feel that I've made this truthful point quite clear.

[proxxy]

[QUOTE=DjLantern]okwhy would pendulum enter or someone of his status need to, there already big and famous and crap

/QUOTE]


That's why i didn't enter *raises nose in air*

[proxxy]

So how many people would want to go to a club filled with bedroom dj's? :noway:

Since everyone on that list has had a gig that they've been paid for at one point in time.

I wonder if Dj's playing at BED in miami are technically Bedroom dj's... hummm

[Terry85]

:hilarious: :spit: :spit: :spit: This thread has made my day.

[PaulieWalnuts]

I hear you, Ninja, I'm an amateur writer who continues to receive honoraria for stuff people were interested in publishing of mine. But it's the fact that I only receive honoraria, not more than very small sums of money, that makes me an amateur.

But I have two part-time jobs but I still get paid a professional fee for both of them. You get paid a fee for doing what you do for part of your time; you photograph.

Doing something part-time does not endow status as an amateur. Time has nothing at all to do with what makes an amateur and what makes a professional.

[The Logic Theorist]

I'm not bitching, I'm not complaining about anything; I'm saying that Cubik made a mistake. It's a small mistake, it's only one word, but it still seems to be a mistake nonetheless.

So, just to be clear, your issue is the semantics of one word?

I think the cross section of talent that made the final competition clearly demonstrates the fairness of the judging and the -spirit- of the competition, and as such completely negates the necessity or the validity of your arguement.

Next.

[The Logic Theorist]

I wonder if Dj's playing at BED in miami are technically Bedroom dj's... hummm

Only if they play in a room, which is defined as follows:

room

n 1: an area within a building enclosed by walls and floor and ceiling; "the rooms were very small but they had a nice view"

[proxxy]

:ponder:

Probably not. Because if they were hot, they would have already had plenty of gigs.

not true... there's shit loads of bedroom djs's that would blow me, the dj's that are playing this contest and many other locals out of the water... They just might not have the confidence or the networking skillz to get their name our... or they started djing too late. there's lots of reasons...

[maynard]

Only if they play in a room, which is defined as follows:

room

n 1: an area within a building enclosed by walls and floor and ceiling; "the rooms were very small but they had a nice view"

But what if they moved up from the bedroom to the living room? I don't think they'd be able to call themself a "bedroom" DJ anymore, and would not be eligible for the Bedroom DJ battle.

:(

[BPMninja]

I hear you, Ninja, I'm an amateur writer who continues to receive honoraria for stuff people were interested in publishing of mine. But it's the fact that I only receive honoraria, not more than very small sums of money, that makes me an amateur.

But I have two part-time jobs but I still get paid a professional fee for both of them. You get paid a fee for doing what you do for part of your time; you photograph.

Doing something part-time does not endow status as an amateur. Time has nothing at all to do with what makes an amateur and what makes a professional.

It's not a part time job though. It's a single gig.

Just like with djs. They don't have an actual 'job' out of it.

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

professional.
Let's take a look at the definition of "Professional", shall we?


A person following a profession, especially a learned profession.
One who earns a living in a given or implied occupation: <CITE>hired a professional to decorate the house.</CITE>
A skilled practitioner; an expert.
None of the djs entered are following a profession in this art, or are far enough enough in it to be considered as such.
Again, none of them make their living on being a dj.
Oh wait - no offense to you djs out there, but I hardly consider any of you to be an "expert"......

[BPMninja]

not true... there's shit loads of bedroom djs's that would blow me, the dj's that are playing this contest and many other locals out of the water... They just might not have the confidence or the networking skillz to get their name our... or they started djing too late. there's lots of reasons...

The way you worded that....wow.

You shouldn't leave it at 'blow me' and then list out that much, THEN get around to 'out of the water'.

At first I thought you were responding to the post about DJ hos.

[proxxy]

Look for the Hondas. Anywhere you find a lot of Hondas there are ravers.

quickly being replaces by Scions

[PaulieWalnuts]

I think the cross section of talent that made the final competition clearly demonstrates the fairness of the judging and the -spirit- of the competition, and as such completely negates the necessity or the validity of your arguement.

I just think that the form should have had some kind of pledge from the entrant that he doesn't receive more than honoraria for performance for a reasonable amount of time, like a couple of months, to discourage DJs who we've all seen play out at Cubik and Ultraworld and have established residencies. It was worded as a contest for amateurs, after all, and verifiability of that aspect of the process of a contest is one of things that makes this contest really fair.

[BPMninja]

quickly being replaces by Scions
I never would have guess ravers to be so enamored by Toyota.

[proxxy]

The way you worded that....wow.

You shouldn't leave it at 'blow me' and then list out that much, THEN get around to 'out of the water'.

At first I thought you were responding to the post about DJ hos.

Santa,
If you could find some dj hoe's that are that good... please deliver them to nation's main room dj booth on november 26th...

thanks Santa! =)

[proxxy]

I never would have guess ravers to be so enamored by Toyota.


I blame it on all their crafty nightclub marketing

[The Logic Theorist]

Do you even know how much local gigs pay, even if one has a residency? I can assure you it's not enough to make a living on.


Just wanted to address this real quickly though.. that's not entirely true. I know quite a few guys who make a decent living off of just DJing, and a few more that could if they wouldn't rather the money from their day jobs.

[maynard]

Just wanted to address this real quickly though.. that's not entirely true. I know quite a few guys who make a decent living off of just DJing, and a few more that could if they wouldn't rather the money from their day jobs.

Some, yes...but it's definitely not a general rule. He was stating that they must be well enough off simply b/c they have residencies. Which, as I'm sure you'll agree, isn't true.

[LizE]

Just curious.. did you enter and not get in or something?


He probably bought some girl the wrong kind of flowers again.

And time for lunch. Maybe when I get some food in me I won't be such a bitch.

:wink:

[proxxy]

Question - how many of those dj profiles say they are signed to a record label?


Proxxy & Lantern - Bangin' Ass Breaks Records

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

Maybe when I get some food in me I won't be such a bitch.
God, I hope not. j00 = le funny.

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

Proxxy & Lantern - Bangin' Ass Breaks Records
OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

[The Logic Theorist]

I just think that the form should have had some kind of pledge from the entrant that he doesn't receive more than honoraria for performance for a reasonable amount of time, like a couple of months, to discourage DJs who we've all seen play out at Cubik and Ultraworld and have established residencies. It was worded as a contest for amateurs, after all, and verifiability of that aspect of the process of a contest is one of things that makes this contest really fair.

Well I strongly disagree with you here. For one thing, I know some DJs who make quite a bit of money playing, who entered and did not make it to this round. Some of whom are VERY good.

Paying gigs != talent, and this contest is a judge of talent.

What makes this contest fair is it was done by blind judging. No one's DJ resume or income was taken into consideration here. The ONLY thing taken into consideration was the sound laid down on those entry cds. I really don't see how it could be any more fair.

[ras_cee]

I like music

[LizE]

God, I hope not. j00 = le funny.

:affection::affection::affection:

[proxxy]

:hilarious: :spit: :spit: :spit: This thread has made my day.


:woot: to that

[The Logic Theorist]

Some, yes...but it's definitely not a general rule. He was stating that they must be well enough off simply b/c they have residencies. Which, as I'm sure you'll agree, isn't true.

Not in this scene anyway..

[AmandaHuie]

i am a professional raver.

[LizE]

I :lessthanthree: this thread.

Okay, off to lunch for reals NOW.

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

i am a professional raver.
Don't lie!


You like to professionally boss ravers :D

[ras_cee]

:birthday2:

[The Logic Theorist]

Don't lie!


You like to professionally boss ravers :D

No, it's true.. I saw Amanda on the street corner once turning raves for 20's.

[proxxy]

Only if they play in a room, which is defined as follows:

room

n 1: an area within a building enclosed by walls and floor and ceiling; "the rooms were very small but they had a nice view"


The BED NIGHTCLUB (http://www.bedmiami.com) has rooms. and they have beds in them .... so i'm def. thinking bedroom dj....

IDEA!!

WMC "Bedroom dj's Party" but with well established talent.

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

You know Amanda, I have a large assortment of UFOs you're always more than welcome to borrow for "Elad".

[PaulieWalnuts]

this contest is a judge of talent.
I don't know what your role in the shin-dig is, but are you admitting that touring professionals are indeed contestants in this "amateur" contest?

[AmandaHuie]

No, it's true.. I saw Amanda on the street corner once turning raves for 20's.

me rave you long time.

[maynard]

I don't know what your role in the shin-dig is, but are you admitting that touring professionals are indeed contestants in this "amateur" contest?

chrissake, there is not a single professional in this contest! can you get that through your head or not?

[proxxy]

i am a professional raver.

yes you are and i have the pictures to prove it! :elise: :plur:

[ras_cee]

:bananarider:

[BPMninja]

chrissake, there is not a single professional in this contest! can you get that through your head or not?

This (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66597) clearly shows that YDABOM is wrong.

Clearly. :nanastyle:

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

I don't know what your role in the shin-dig is, but are you admitting that touring professionals are indeed contestants in this "amateur" contest?
No, he is not.


What is it that you're not understanding here?

[proxxy]

:plurstick:

[The Logic Theorist]

I don't know what your role in the shin-dig is, but are you admitting that touring professionals are indeed contestants in this "amateur" contest?

I am speaking ENTIRELY with my own opinion. I am in no way either affiliated with Buzzlife or this contest.

I -may- enter the Turntablist competition, at which point you'll probably have a shitfit because I have come very close to making a living as a DJ at certain points in my life, and last month made quite a bit of money between residencies and one offs.

I'm not "admitting" anything. I'm saying the point is moot and not worth arguing, again the main reason being that no one's income or experience was used as a bar for judgement.

Also, had I gotten an entry into the DJ competition in time, regardless of my skill level, I would want to know that I was competing against the best pool of talent possible.

[ras_cee]

:cow:

[Phoenix]

I just realized that those of us at work are Professional Buzzboarders. :woot:




Good thread. YADABOMB brings up some interesting points. But I'm not taking sides. :cheerleader:

[The Matador]

This (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66597) clearly shows that YDABOM is wrong.

Clearly. :nanastyle:

:haha:

Rob is gonna hate you.

[The Logic Theorist]

The BED NIGHTCLUB (http://www.bedmiami.com) has rooms. and they have beds in them .... so i'm def. thinking bedroom dj....

IDEA!!

WMC "Bedroom dj's Party" but with well established talent.

But does it have patios?

Cause I want to be a BEDpatio DJ.

[maynard]

I just realized that those of us at work are Professional Buzzboarders. :woot:




Good thread. YADABOMB brings up some interesting points. But I'm not taking sides. :cheerleader:

you can't be serious.

[The Matador]

you can't be serious.

You sound surprised.

[ras_cee]

:popcorn2:

[Phoenix]

you can't be serious.

I like to try and see things from all perspectives even if I don't agree with the perspective.

Yes, I'm a weirdo.

[BPMninja]

:haha:

Rob is gonna hate you.

:teabag: :teabag: :teabag: :teabag: :teabag: :teabag: :teabag: :teabag: :teabag: :teabag: :teabag: :teabag:

[Kif]

No, he is not.


What is it that you're not understanding here?
i believe the answer you're searching for is "life"

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

Good thread. YADABOMB brings up some interesting points. But I'm not taking sides. :cheerleader:
No, he doesn't. He's assuming a lot.

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

i believe the answer you're searching for is "life"
:doh:

[ras_cee]

:oolong:

[AmandaHuie]

Check other contests online. Many have amature and professional catagories. And a professional is defined as someone who make the MAJORITY of their income from the field.

In the DJ world, at least pay-wise, there is a HUGE difference. There is a whole set of DJs that make under $200 per gig. Vs another set that make over $2000 per gig.

[ras_cee]

I hope that one dj wins

[The Matador]

dj whatshisface

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

Hey, I like that guy...

[ras_cee]

Hey, I like that guy...
or girl

[maynard]

I hope that one dj wins

the one with the headphones?

yah, he rocks.

[ras_cee]

the one with the headphones?

yah, he rocks.
not that one

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

The one with the hair!

[Kif]

the one with the records :yes:

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

I thought it was cds?

[ras_cee]

whatever happen to 8 tracks

[zartan]

There you go, zartan, you answered in spirit your own first post in the post asking what a professional is. Playing out for beer or beer money is not really like you're playing for gain; chances are if you played at a frat, in your instance, it's not like you signed a binding contract for performance

actually you ignorant jackass I got paid $200 and signed a contract to do this. but anyway, glad to see you continuing your quest to alienate everyone you come in contact with.

[PaulieWalnuts]

I don't want to appear that I'm going in for the kill on that last question, and if someone from the contest apparati answers it, then that's cool. If they don't, that's cool, too.

Amanda I'm glad that what an amateur is and what a professional is now clearly defined, even after it is AFTER THE SELECTION PROCESS! :p Moreover, I'm glad that the entrants all clearly fit this criteria (though I'm not entirely sure still what the criteria is there seems to be at least a bare minimum of consideration given to it and I guess that'll do).

I'm not happy that I had to bring this topic up, but I am happy that at least I got an answer to my question back before the winner was selected.

GOod luck to all!

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

Alienate?

Alien Nation?

http://epguides.com/AlienNation/cast.jpg

[ras_cee]

Cubik needs an amateur dance contest with poles

[Phoenix]

Poles coming out of speakers :ponder:

[ras_cee]

Poles coming out of speakers :ponder:
does it really matter where they're coming from

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

Poles coming outta hos?








:chilly:

[maynard]

Amanda I'm glad that what an amateur is and what a professional is now clearly defined, even after it is AFTER THE SELECTION PROCESS! :p Moreover, I'm glad that the entrants all clearly fit this criteria (though I'm not entirely sure still what the criteria is there seems to be at least a bare minimum of consideration given to it and I guess that'll do).


What am I, glass? I clearly defined the difference between amateur and professional on like page 2, and about six times afterward. I guess you needed Amanda to tell you, though.

[ras_cee]

What am I, glass? I clearly defined the difference between amateur and professional on like page 2, and about six times afterward. I guess you needed Amanda to tell you, though.
he doesnt want to hear it from an amateur :shrug:

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

Dan, you don't count.


Don't ask me why, because I can't explain right now. But you don't.


Just ask Walter how he feels about amateurs..

[The Matador]

:haha:

They're out of their element.

[maynard]

he doesnt want to hear it from an amateur :shrug:

:haha: !

[Cliff]

actually you ignorant jackass I got paid $200 and signed a contract to do this. but anyway, glad to see you continuing your quest to alienate everyone you come in contact with.

priceless

[Cliff]

and i say this thread sucks

[Cliff]

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