the official - another florida breaks discussion

[FACTORe]

so - let me preface this by saying the following:

1. because you live in florida doesn't mean you make florida breaks
2. i do not spin florida breaks
3. ian looks good in a striped shirt

with all that being said. some observations about breaks in dc (allthgouh what can you really tell from one weekend)

it is very popular to hate on florida breaks yet who is the biggest draw for breaks in dc? Icey, the king of Florida breaks. (don't give me "he is a draw only cause he is icey" bullshit because he is icey because of what he plays and makes) what breaks tracks went off the most of any of the breaks tracks played @ the show at nation played by djs other than Icey? florida breaks. DC is experiencing the same thing that many other regions do. The crowds for the most part love florida breaks but the people that are in charge of booking talent hate them. Therefore, the customer is not always right. What the people want doesn't matter. Over the past 1 1/2 - 2 years the lines have def been blurred as to what is florida and what is nu skool etc. There is no clear cut definition of what each style is anymore with artists like Deekline, Autobots, Breakfasters, Freestylers, Backdraft, distortionz, general midi all making florida sounding tracks. Is it a demographic thing? is it ok for these records to come from the UK but it they come from the southeast USA then they are somehow magically tainted? Pendulum is even making funky breaks and they go off. I know that in a town like DC where politics is a given, that this may not be the best post politically, but i want an intelligent discussion on this and maybe have a few people step back and take a different look at why things are the way that they are there.

btw - i am moving out of florida in a couple weeks so maybe i won't be quite as tainted...LOL

btw - i met a LOT of kewl people there and i had a great time. i look foward to coming back again. maybe just to hang out if nothing else.

mississippi breaks rawks

[The Jezereck]

glad ya had fun up here, sorry I missed it. Me personally I have nothing against FL breakz. If it bangs and moves me I listen to it, whether its house breakz or dnb. But I hear ya man, good luck with the move...and what the hell are Mississippi breakz?

[DjLantern]

glad ya had fun up here, sorry I missed it. Me personally I have nothing against FL breakz. If it bangs and moves me I listen to it, whether its house breakz or dnb. But I hear ya man, good luck with the move...and what the hell are Mississippi breakz?

you didn't know

Factore is the mississippi breaks master

hehe

[The Jezereck]

I jus cant remember anyone spinnin breakz when I was down there, but it was years ago. Only form of edm was comin out of NO. The idea that MS would even have its own sound just completely baffles me, unless of course its like country mash-ups or somethin.

[FACTORe]

mississippi breaks are muddy and dark...like the river

[DjLantern]

so - let me preface this by saying the following:

1. because you live in florida doesn't mean you make florida breaks
2. i do not spin florida breaks
3. ian looks good in a striped shirt

with all that being said. some observations about breaks in dc (allthgouh what can you really tell from one weekend)

it is very popular to hate on florida breaks yet who is the biggest draw for breaks in dc? Icey, the king of Florida breaks. (don't give me "he is a draw only cause he is icey" bullshit because he is icey because of what he plays and makes) what breaks tracks went off the most of any of the breaks tracks played @ the show at nation played by djs other than Icey? florida breaks. DC is experiencing the same thing that many other regions do. The crowds for the most part love florida breaks but the people that are in charge of booking talent hate them. Therefore, the customer is not always right. What the people want doesn't matter. Over the past 1 1/2 - 2 years the lines have def been blurred as to what is florida and what is nu skool etc. There is no clear cut definition of what each style is anymore with artists like Deekline, Autobots, Breakfasters, Freestylers, Backdraft, distortionz, general midi all making florida sounding tracks. Is it a demographic thing? is it ok for these records to come from the UK but it they come from the southeast USA then they are somehow magically tainted? Pendulum is even making funky breaks and they go off. I know that in a town like DC where politics is a given, that this may not be the best post politically, but i want an intelligent discussion on this and maybe have a few people step back and take a different look at why things are the way that they are there.

btw - i am moving out of florida in a couple weeks so maybe i won't be quite as tainted...LOL

btw - i met a LOT of kewl people there and i had a great time. i look foward to coming back again. maybe just to hang out if nothing else.

mississippi breaks rawks

ha

Ian does look good in a striped shirt too

I would have to say that people just love to hate on Florida breaks because its funny but in actuality they secretly like them. I play a wide variety of breaks in dc and most everything I play goes over even the florida that I play, which is mostly Fixx/Sharaz which is straight up florida breaks. Its hard to classify stuff these days but I would have to say the stuff that you produce and play along with lets say breakfastaz, autobots or aquaksky I would call Nu-School Funk but def not Florida breaks. It has its funky elements and its bangin effects of nu-school but its not all WAH WAH WAH and its not all tweet florida tweet. I think people need to lay off the hateraide and broaden there horizons of music or something.

good times this weekend too man

I'm not ashamed to say I play alittle florida :neener:

can't wait till Ian chimes in

[darklightworker]

People just like to hate period...guilty myself


I love Florida breaks and I love Nuskool....and there's an equal amount of crappy tunes being put out by both styles. Oh well, we thought when we got outta highschool the whole "clicks" thing would end...hehe

Fuck it

Trance anyone???

[The Jezereck]

I really need to start catchin up with the times....old age makes it impossible to keep up with all this!!!

[FACTORe]

I really need to start catchin up with the times....old age makes it impossible to keep up with all this!!!


just buy a striped shirt...that is all you need

[The Jezereck]

On my way to Wal-mart right now

[DjLantern]

just buy a striped shirt...that is all you need

make sure its pink too

[FACTORe]

for those that are confused about the striped shirts:

Look at my button down striped shirt! Fucking look at it! This shirt means one thing! I’m coming home with some pussy tonight! That’s right! It’s been a long week at the office and it’s time to blow off a little steam! I am a Junior Vice President! I have business cards that say “Junior Vice President” on them! They’re glossy and magnificent! Here! Have one! Take it!

My boys are coming out with me tonight! They all have striped shirts too!

I figure we’ll kick off the night with some Golden Tee! I am going to smack the shit out of that little white ball! It’s going to be so fucking loud! I’ll bet I can drive that pretend golf ball 600 fucking yards tonight! I’m that fucking pumped!

I can almost taste those Jager Bombs right now! I fucking love Red Bull! I put it on my God damned cereal! I’m crushing one right now!

I’m thinking about buying a boat this year!

I’m gonna fight someone tonight! I pray to God someone makes eye contact with me! I will beat his ass! And God help him if he gets any blood on my striped shirt! If he does, I’ll scrub it out with his dick and some bleach! I mean it!

I’m gonna grind on girls asses tonight! You heard me! When I see a group of girls dancing in a circle, I will select the most attractive one and dry hump her until it hurts! I will rub my cock against her so that she can feel my throbbing hard on!

Party Fuel
I will valet tonight!

I will treat the valet with contempt and make sure that he knows that I am superior to him in life! I will tell him to “Take it easy on the brakes, Champ”!

I will talk to people I don’t know about my job tonight! They will all know that I am an important man! I will call female bartenders “Babe” and male bartenders “Chief”!

When I do not hook up with a girl at that club, I will say that the place is “full of skanks”! We will wait in a long line to go to another bar only to strike out again!

I will give up and decide to order a gyro off of a street vendor! I will make fun of him to my friends for being foreign! I will look ridiculous purchasing my gyro because people will be able to tell by my striped shirt and tinted sunglasses that I struck out and am settling for a gyro!

I will make one last attempt to hook up by trying to coax two big girls who are also ordering gyros to coming back to my place for “after hours”! When they say no I will make fun of them for being fat! I will leave!

When I get home I will go to the bathroom and hold the straight razor to my wrist again! I will gently drag the razor laterally against my vein, making sure not to actually cut myself!

I will then go to my room and pass out! I will need some shut eye so that I’ll be ready to fucking party again tomorrow!

[The Jezereck]

make sure its pink too
dont forget to flip up the collar, you gots ta flip the collar or it just aint right!

[The Jezereck]

for those that are confused about the striped shirts:

Look at my button down striped shirt! Fucking look at it! This shirt means one thing! I’m coming home with some pussy tonight! That’s right! It’s been a long week at the office and it’s time to blow off a little steam! I am a Junior Vice President! I have business cards that say “Junior Vice President” on them! They’re glossy and magnificent! Here! Have one! Take it!

My boys are coming out with me tonight! They all have striped shirts too!

I figure we’ll kick off the night with some Golden Tee! I am going to smack the shit out of that little white ball! It’s going to be so fucking loud! I’ll bet I can drive that pretend golf ball 600 fucking yards tonight! I’m that fucking pumped!

I can almost taste those Jager Bombs right now! I fucking love Red Bull! I put it on my God damned cereal! I’m crushing one right now!

I’m thinking about buying a boat this year!

I’m gonna fight someone tonight! I pray to God someone makes eye contact with me! I will beat his ass! And God help him if he gets any blood on my striped shirt! If he does, I’ll scrub it out with his dick and some bleach! I mean it!

I’m gonna grind on girls asses tonight! You heard me! When I see a group of girls dancing in a circle, I will select the most attractive one and dry hump her until it hurts! I will rub my cock against her so that she can feel my throbbing hard on!

Party Fuel
I will valet tonight!

I will treat the valet with contempt and make sure that he knows that I am superior to him in life! I will tell him to “Take it easy on the brakes, Champ”!

I will talk to people I don’t know about my job tonight! They will all know that I am an important man! I will call female bartenders “Babe” and male bartenders “Chief”!

When I do not hook up with a girl at that club, I will say that the place is “full of skanks”! We will wait in a long line to go to another bar only to strike out again!

I will give up and decide to order a gyro off of a street vendor! I will make fun of him to my friends for being foreign! I will look ridiculous purchasing my gyro because people will be able to tell by my striped shirt and tinted sunglasses that I struck out and am settling for a gyro!

I will make one last attempt to hook up by trying to coax two big girls who are also ordering gyros to coming back to my place for “after hours”! When they say no I will make fun of them for being fat! I will leave!

When I get home I will go to the bathroom and hold the straight razor to my wrist again! I will gently drag the razor laterally against my vein, making sure not to actually cut myself!

I will then go to my room and pass out! I will need some shut eye so that I’ll be ready to fucking party again tomorrow!
So thats why my game is always off, stripped shirt massive will now commence!!

[DjLantern]

bwahahahaha

[The Jezereck]

bwahahahaha
shit man, im runnin out to wal-mart and grabbin ya one too. Cant be a massive without other people ya know. Hrm Peter in bright florecent orange stripped shirt :ponder:

[DjLantern]

shit man, im runnin out to wal-mart and grabbin ya one too. Cant be a massive without other people ya know. Hrm Peter in bright florecent orange stripped shirt :ponder:

I'm so down

[spiggums]

I really want to talk shit about florida breaks right now...

but that's only just for the sake of talking shit...

but I'm feeling an uncharacteristic sense of "plur" lately...

[Buttercup]

Factere: You got that right... people love to hate on Florida breaks around here. I'll admit I like it, if it's good, it's good, whether it's FL breaks or nu skool breaks, whatever. I too think that people secretly like it, but won't come out and admit it.

I can only think of one local dj that plays it and it's Dj Smalls and every time I've seen him, he rocks the place and the crowd goes nuts. So, I don't understand the hatred.

I actually like the bass and the futuristic robot sounds of FL breaks. :thatshot: :D

[MC Concept]

you are crackin' me up here....LoL!!

Yeah man....FL Breaks rock!!

My days in Tampa were mighty fun and the tracks will always hold a place in my memory.

The lines are definitly a blur nowadys....Breaks is Breaks....u like some...u don't like some!

UK....US....FL....whateva....there is talent from all spectrums and differnet styles from all of em'.....I like the newer state of breaks in the world these days.....lets keep the mix diverse.....better mix sets come about that way!!

[Buttercup]

shit man, im runnin out to wal-mart and grabbin ya one too. Cant be a massive without other people ya know. Hrm Peter in bright florecent orange stripped shirt :ponder:

Um Jim, haven't I seen you with one on before? :wink:

[The Jezereck]

Um Jim, haven't I seen you with one on before? :wink:
No they are talkin about the pink polo type stripped shirts with the pop up collar, I would never wear that, I have more class, or something.

[Buttercup]

Oh, ahahahahaaha. LOL, just kidding. You actually need to wear 2 Izod polo shirts layered (hot pink and green). hehe

[daniella downs]

i think i look awesome in a striped shirt too.



that is all i have to say about this discussion.

other than icey gets booked because he is icey. we already had this talk. someone could play the same exact shit and not get booked as much..

why?

cuz they arent icey.

i rest my case

[daniella downs]

oh.

and.

DO NOT HATE ON PINK STRIPED POLO SHIRTS.


THEY ARE FUCKING HOT.


and i got it at old navy.

[beth]

i'd like to see factor e in a wolf shirt.

[FACTORe]

i'd like to see factor e in a wolf shirt.


if i take my shirt off, i kind of look like a wolf...with the mange

[DjLantern]

ha!

[FACTORe]

has to be a full moon though

silver bullets are the only thing that can stop me

[Buttercup]

oh.

and.

DO NOT HATE ON PINK STRIPED POLO SHIRTS.


THEY ARE FUCKING HOT.


and i got it at old navy.

You didn't get it at Wal-Mart? Jim's getting his from Wal-Mart. hehe :cow:

[daniella downs]

You didn't get it at Wal-Mart? Jim's getting his from Wal-Mart. hehe :cow:


jim also is a bitch.


bitches shop at wal mart.




























































lol.

[dj nysus]

oooooooooooooooooooo

[Buttercup]

Oh snap!

[AppleBum301]

the next time jon comes to town.... i want a pic of every last one of you fuckers in striped shirts. no ifs ands or buts about it. no excuses.

maybe we can even get a couple scantly clad chicks in the shot too.... that shouldnt be too hard. lol

[xgirl]

being the person that dressed ian in a striped pink shirt, i will say this:

A STRIPED PINK POLO SHIRT IS NOT THE SAME AS A STRIPED BUTTON DOWN.

this ain't georgetown, and i didn't see anyone crushing jaeger bombs this weekend. damn, bitches.

[spiggums]

I honestly can't believe how far this striped shirt thing has gone on for...

I'm entertained and frightened...

mostly frightened by the fact that Ian was wearing a PINK striped shirt on Sunday...

[FACTORe]

did it land you some pussy?

[Bioteknik]

he probably picked up the fat chicks at the gyro vendor.

[psion's gate]

The florida breaks name gets thrown around alot. The shit I don't like are all those cheesy remixes they do. As well as the tracks that sound like they were produced on buzztracker.

The shit that rocks is the electro.

It's like saying "I don't like chicago house." Chicago house can be really cheesy disco played out stuff...or it can be straight up banging/techno type stuff which rocks.

See I dig on some Baltimore club, but most of that stuff is terrible. I could understand someone not liking it. If they heard some of the good stuff though...they would change their tune. I see this as the point you are trying to make.

[Aerobum]

Whatever. FL breaks rock. They're fun, they almost always work with tough crowds and chicks dig it so I'm down.

[FACTORe]

Whatever. FL breaks rock. They're fun, they almost always work with tough crowds and chicks dig it so I'm down.


great point

[Aerobum]

I dunno but all the nuskool parties Ive been to seem to be full of a few sweaty guys with trucker hats and a few women who look like they just got out of a lockup somewhere. You want lots of decent looking women? Fluffy trance or FL-style breaks. Like FactorE said I guess the promoters forgot what people want. Before anyone bitches about my comment, theres nothing wrong with mixing up the dj lineups but you never see that shit. Catering to one small elite group of people is no way to pack your shows. It might get you some brownie points with the trainspotters but there arent enough of them to pack most parties.

[Synz]

other than icey gets booked because he is icey. we already had this talk. someone could play the same exact shit and not get booked as much..

why?

cuz they arent icey.

i rest my case


But, do other DJ's make albums like "Generate"??? IMO, THE breaks album of the late 90's.

[spiggums]

I dunno but all the nuskool parties Ive been to seem to be full of a few sweaty guys with trucker hats and a few women who look like they just got out of a lockup somewhere. You want lots of decent looking women? Fluffy trance or FL-style breaks. Like FactorE said I guess the promoters forgot what people want. Before anyone bitches about my comment, theres nothing wrong with mixing up the dj lineups but you never see that shit. Catering to one small elite group of people is no way to pack your shows. It might get you some brownie points with the trainspotters but there arent enough of them to pack most parties.

thus why I don't generally understand an insistance on "all breaks parties"

but then who am i to talk... I throw an all electro party... although the definition of electro is HELLA loose... cause it could be big gay house type stuff... breaky type stuff... trancy... or some of the darkest, grittiest techno you ever heard... I mean hell... next week we got Mark Verbos coming down to do a full on live acid PA.

i guess the key I'm saying here is "variety" (although a central theme helps) is the key to many successful parties :)

or maybe I'm just talkin out of my ass again.

[Buttercup]

I dunno but all the nuskool parties Ive been to seem to be full of a few sweaty guys with trucker hats and a few women who look like they just got out of a lockup somewhere. You want lots of decent looking women? Fluffy trance or FL-style breaks. Like FactorE said I guess the promoters forgot what people want. Before anyone bitches about my comment, theres nothing wrong with mixing up the dj lineups but you never see that shit. Catering to one small elite group of people is no way to pack your shows. It might get you some brownie points with the trainspotters but there arent enough of them to pack most parties.

:werd: So very true.

[FACTORe]

you say women that just got out of lockup like it is a bad thing

[LahLah]

you say women that just got out of lockup like it is a bad thing


Oh no its a good thing for them desperate horny fucks!! ;) lol

[FACTORe]

Oh no its a good thing for them desperate horney fucks!! ;) lol


yes - i am a desperate horny fuck

[Aerobum]

I personally have nothing against UK breaks but I and a lot of people I know are getting a little OD'd on seeing nothing but UK names come through. I think charity should begin at home and we should support those holding it up in the lower 48 before they all disappear. Some of the overseas vinyl I've bought recently borders on ultra cheeze which, if *any* of those songs came out of FL, people would be once again burning the state flag in effigy and shouting "see? I told you they make cheeze!". The UK breaks fans who cut on FL so much conveniently ignore all this. I like all breaks but let's be fair here.

Generate was good but his "Break To The Dance" was better. Most peeps didn't even see that one because it was an indie Zone release. Nuthin like the old Icey.

[FACTORe]

I personally have nothing against UK breaks but I and a lot of people I know are getting a little OD'd on seeing nothing but UK names come through. I think charity should begin at home and we should support those holding it up in the lower 48 before they all disappear. Some of the overseas vinyl I've bought recently borders on ultra cheeze which, if *any* of those songs came out of FL, people would be once again burning the state flag in effigy and shouting "see? I told you they make cheeze!". The UK breaks fans who cut on FL so much conveniently ignore all this. I like all breaks but let's be fair here.

Generate was good but his "Break To The Dance" was better. Most peeps didn't even see that one because it was an indie Zone release. Nuthin like the old Icey.


agreed

[Aerobum]

Thanks FactorE. I just see the whole thing as being two standards. We have one standard for those with an overseas mailing address and one for those who live here. If you live over there you get a pass. If you live over here, you don't. Period.

[LahLah]

yes - i am a desperate horny fuck

DOOOOOOOOD U r so not that desperate!! You are talking me here i have known your ass for awhile ;)

[daniella downs]

I personally have nothing against UK breaks but I and a lot of people I know are getting a little OD'd on seeing nothing but UK names come through. I think charity should begin at home and we should support those holding it up in the lower 48 before they all disappear. Some of the overseas vinyl I've bought recently borders on ultra cheeze which, if *any* of those songs came out of FL, people would be once again burning the state flag in effigy and shouting "see? I told you they make cheeze!". The UK breaks fans who cut on FL so much conveniently ignore all this. I like all breaks but let's be fair here.

Generate was good but his "Break To The Dance" was better. Most peeps didn't even see that one because it was an indie Zone release. Nuthin like the old Icey.


you are only half right.

there's a lot of uk cheese too. a lot of us say it sucks. dont worry. it's not ignored by everyone.

and the thing about florida breaks..lest we forget that whole like 98-2001/2 phase where the shit was just some super tiesto trance synths over top of miami bass?

believe me, i used to defend the shit out of florida breaks. i was begging for that shit here years and years ago. tastes just change.

and break to the dance was good. i still have that cd somewhere. i'mma have to look for it.


best icee song ever - his mix of sweet harmony. works every time.

[spiggums]

Thanks FactorE. I just see the whole thing as being two standards. We have one standard for those with an overseas mailing address and one for those who live here. If you live over there you get a pass. If you live over here, you don't. Period.

Americans hating on Americans?

SAY IT AINT SO!!!

:p

[LahLah]

HA Rick West is awesome!! :raveon:

[FACTORe]

HA Rick West is awesome!! :raveon:


indeed he is

[FACTORe]

Americans hating on Americans?

SAY IT AINT SO!!!

:p


http://www.dropthatbass.com/breaksad.jpg

[Aerobum]

you are only half right.

and the thing about florida breaks..lest we forget that whole like 98-2001/2 phase where the shit was just some super tiesto trance synths over top of miami bass?



Yeah so now what we get is stuff like Deepcut's "Put Em Up" which is....wannabe trance synths over rap samples. Uh...I just don't see the difference other than peoples' current perceptions. Obviously peoples tastes haven't changed THAT much if this is what's selling.

Yeah I bought the Deepcut release but it's not all that far removed from the things of which you denigrate.

Breakz is breakz. Eliminate the ocean between us and it ain't all that different.

[daniella downs]

Yeah so now what we get is stuff like Deepcut's "Put Em Up" which is....wannabe trance synths over rap samples. Uh...I just don't see the difference other than peoples' current perceptions. Obviously peoples tastes haven't changed THAT much if this is what's selling.

Yeah I bought the Deepcut release but it's not all that far removed from the things of which you denigrate.

Breakz is breakz. Eliminate the ocean between us and it ain't all that different.


and i dont like "put em up". that to me, is florida breaks, i dont care who made it. i think it's cheesy, and was actually dissapointed a lot by it. it was the first release on deepcut that i thought really wasnt that good. although, i actually bought that joint for the flip, rock n roll, because it was something different than everyone else was making.

and no, breakz arent breakz. there are many different subgenres of shit.

by saying breakz is breakz, you're saying that peter and buster play the same shit, which could not be farther from the truth.

that's like saying house is house. but the house i play, and the house that my roomate deke play are different (for the most part).

i mean.

people here obviously arent booking florida breaks. the only promoters that did so on the norm were d-tribe, and yeah, their parties were a blast.

but the time for rave for the most part is over here.

people like the club.


and uk breaks...are the club.


you dont have to like it.

and can debate it all day long if you want, but you're going to have to accept that it's true.

[daniella downs]

furthermore - as far as any other release on deepcut, notably the scam ones, they are fucking great for what they are.

the krafty kuts one (#3 i believe), and the last snuff one (the one with put em up), are the only ones that are florida-ey.

i mean, just like a lot of florida producers are trying to incorporate the nuskool sound, it's apparent that some uk producers are trying to incorporate the florida sound. this is only my opinion, but i beleive the uk producers do it better FOR THE MOST PART.

the exception to this rule is fixx. he does put out some shit i can bob my head to.

[DjLantern]

the exception to this rule is fixx. he does put out some shit i can bob my head to.

:woot:

lantern rocks fixx like no other

[FACTORe]

and uk breaks...are the club.


you dont have to like it.

and can debate it all day long if you want, but you're going to have to accept that it's true.




?????????


first you go on to say that breaks are not breaks there are too wide of a variety to put them all together...then you turn around and do that very thing to "uk breaks"

first off - let's start describing breaks by what they are...not florida breaks....not uk breaks...not mississippi breaks


it doesn't matter demographically where something was made - it matters what comes out of the speakers and how the crowd reacts to it.

to start segrigating music based on the demographics of who made it is not good or healthy for the scene.

and as far as what works in the club......plodstep works the least out of all the genres of breaks. unless it gets so ploddy that it actually becomes house and then the house people go off to it but the people that are there for breaks are left wanting again.

when the biggest UK breaks dj pulls as many people as the biggest us breaks dj in a club...then you will have a valid point. until then - keep rocking the breaks that people dance to.

[spiggums]

to start segrigating music based on the demographics of who made it is not good or healthy for the scene.


I wanna start rockin the Herndon Breaks sound...

that would be the hot shit right there... straight up suburban gangsta style!

awww yeah booyyyyyyy

[LahLah]

:thumbsup:

[darklightworker]

somebody lock this f-ing thread

you all love trance and know it

STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FACTORe]

I wanna start rockin the Herndon Breaks sound...

that would be the hot shit right there... straight up suburban gangsta style!

awww yeah booyyyyyyy


finally somebody gets it

[daniella downs]

?????????


first you go on to say that breaks are not breaks there are too wide of a variety to put them all together...then you turn around and do that very thing to "uk breaks"

first off - let's start describing breaks by what they are...not florida breaks....not uk breaks...not mississippi breaks


it doesn't matter demographically where something was made - it matters what comes out of the speakers and how the crowd reacts to it.

to start segrigating music based on the demographics of who made it is not good or healthy for the scene.

and as far as what works in the club......plodstep works the least out of all the genres of breaks. unless it gets so ploddy that it actually becomes house and then the house people go off to it but the people that are there for breaks are left wanting again.

when the biggest UK breaks dj pulls as many people as the biggest us breaks dj in a club...then you will have a valid point. until then - keep rocking the breaks that people dance to.

did you really just write that and mean it?

come ON now.

and yes, there ARE different types of breaks.

we'll use buster again as an example -

buster plays slower, funk breaks.

peter plays bangin nu florida shit.

both are breaks.

but both cannot be categorized the same because they are 2 different styles of music.

and shit...so basically you are telling me to find a uk breaks dj that pulls as much as icey IN THIS COUNTRY. i agree, it probably wont happen. icey is huge.

now.

we go over somewhere that is not here...and compare icey to other djs over there.

what happens?

and im actually curious here.

and it DOES matter where it's made. certain areas tend to produce music that sounds a certain way. it's not called alaska bass, is it? no. it's miami bass.

[LahLah]

LOL

[Aerobum]

furthermore - as far as any other release on deepcut, notably the scam ones, they are fucking great for what they are.

the krafty kuts one (#3 i believe), and the last snuff one (the one with put em up), are the only ones that are florida-ey.

i mean, just like a lot of florida producers are trying to incorporate the nuskool sound, it's apparent that some uk producers are trying to incorporate the florida sound. this is only my opinion, but i beleive the uk producers do it better FOR THE MOST PART.

the exception to this rule is fixx. he does put out some shit i can bob my head to.


This discourse being what it is, I don't buy the argument. The actual truth is there's some kind of ridiculous elitest cachet if you book overseas breaks guys right now. What you feel is good for you personally Ian certainly isn't always good for the collective and I'll go as far to say it's become so lopsided and the music is sounding so much alike on both sides that it's splitting hairs at this point. American djs can do no right. UK djs can't do anything wrong. Where are the "UK cheeze" threads?

There's a double standard, especially with promoters. BTW, the only thing with the remote chance of packing it in anymore is trance, not breaks, not even by a long shot. Until breaks gets its act together like trance did long, long ago, forget about it. Not gonna happen and never will. Why? Because few can relate to a bunch of weird bassline driven music except us production/dj nerds. You take the rest of the people out of the equation and you get the aforementioned 5 guys in the corner whining about everyone's mixing.

If promoters around here still insist on climbing over each other to book UK acts with only one or two halfway decent records in spite of some hard working guys in the US with dozens of releases because it "looks cooler", they might as well just rip up their money and stand under the confetti. Do this for a few more years and there will be little stateside to even pick on.

[spiggums]

and it DOES matter where it's made. certain areas tend to produce music that sounds a certain way. it's not called alaska bass, is it? no. it's miami bass.

I don't know man... he does kind of have a point... I mean look at what the whole West Coast vs East Coast thing has done for rap.

If breaks styles keep up this way we're going to see things like catfights b/w Baby Anne and 10 Sui or all out gang style warfare with like Sharaz and Icey forming a posse to go up against a posse designed by the plump djs...

it could get real ugly real fast.

[LahLah]

I don't know man... he does kind of have a point... I mean look at what the whole West Coast vs East Coast thing has done for rap.

If breaks styles keep up this way we're going to see things like catfights b/w Baby Anne and 10 Sui or all out gang style warfare with like Sharaz and Icey forming a posse to go up against a posse designed by the plump djs...

it could get real ugly real fast.



HA! that was great!! That would actually be fun to see!

[daniella downs]

This discourse being what it is, I don't buy the argument. The actual truth is there's some kind of ridiculous elitest cachet if you book overseas breaks guys right now. What you feel is good for you personally Ian certainly isn't always good for the collective and I'll go as far to say it's become so lopsided and the music is sounding so much alike on both sides that it's splitting hairs at this point. American djs can do no right. UK djs can't do anything wrong. Where are the "UK cheeze" threads?

There's a double standard, especially with promoters. BTW, the only thing with the remote chance of packing it in anymore is trance, not breaks, not even by a long shot. Until breaks gets its act together like trance did long, long ago, forget about it. Not gonna happen and never will. Why? Because few can relate to a bunch of weird bassline driven music except us production/dj nerds. You take the rest of the people out of the equation and you get the aforementioned 5 guys in the corner whining about everyone's mixing.

If promoters around here still insist on climbing over each other to book UK acts with only one or two halfway decent records in spite of some hard working guys in the US with dozens of releases because it "looks cooler", they might as well just rip up their money and stand under the confetti. Do this for a few more years and there will be little stateside to even pick on.


oddly enough, i agree with a lot of what you just said.

i think american djs are doing better now than they have any time in the past 5 years tho.


shit, i'll be the first to say that sharaz ROCKED it when he was here.

as far as bashing on uk cheese.

pay attention more.

some of us do it.

chris (bioteknik) bashes on what i play all the time, just like i bash on what he plays. just cuz we dont start threads about it doesnt mean we dont do it.

how bout this -

you like florida breaks, and want to see more of them? move somewhere where they are big. they are huge in the carolinas. i look at the lineups there and i am mindblown by the shit that is booked there and what is booked here.

belive me man, your point is the same one i was making 5 years ago here.

[Aerobum]

to start segrigating music based on the demographics of who made it is not good or healthy for the scene.

Too late. That ship has sailed. That is the current situation. No getting around it.

I like all breaks, not just the ones from here or over there. I also like balance. What's wrong with that?

Ian you missed my point. I've been reading those FL bashing posts for years. Just as everyone did to ALL breaks coming out of FL, regardless whether the production was good or not, let's take a few cheezy examples and stigmatize the ENTIRE uk breaks community lock, stock and barrel. Let's make everyone over there responsible for the sins of a few like what happened with FL breaks. Sound fair? Didn't think so. But this is what happened just about anyone or anything associated with Florida breaks a few years ago. Problem is the whole thing stuck and now most promoters won't touch anyone from there with a 10-foot pole.

[Buttercup]

There's a double standard, especially with promoters. BTW, the only thing with the remote chance of packing it in anymore is trance, not breaks, not even by a long shot. Until breaks gets its act together like trance did long, long ago, forget about it. Not gonna happen and never will. Why? Because few can relate to a bunch of weird bassline driven music except us production/dj nerds. You take the rest of the people out of the equation and you get the aforementioned 5 guys in the corner whining about everyone's mixing.

If promoters around here still insist on climbing over each other to book UK acts with only one or two halfway decent records in spite of some hard working guys in the US with dozens of releases because it "looks cooler", they might as well just rip up their money and stand under the confetti. Do this for a few more years and there will be little stateside to even pick on.

I keep wanting to think that the popularity of it will make its way up here, but it seems to have stopped at NC. *sigh*

[FACTORe]

o

i think american djs are doing better now than they have any time in the past 5 years tho.


.


are you fvcking kdding me?

american dj's for the most part mix\circles around the uk guys. are you talking djing or production? don't get the 2 confused.

[The Jezereck]

are you fvcking kdding me?

american dj's for the most part mix\circles around the uk guys. are you talking djing or production? don't get the 2 confused.
yeah what he said!

[FACTORe]

I keep wanting to think that the popularity of it will make its way up here, but it seems to have stopped at NC. *sigh*


the popularity has made it up there - unfortunatly the yells for more funky breaks falls on deaf ears to the promoters because they do not like them.

[Buttercup]

the popularity has made it up there - unfortunatly the yells for more funky breaks falls on deaf ears to the promoters because they do not like them.

And yes, that sucks 'cause then we have to suffer because of their personal tastes. Boo.

[spiggums]

And yes, that sucks 'cause then we have to suffer because of their personal tastes. Boo.

to be fair to promoters (cause I am apparently in UBER-Devil's Advocate mode today... which is kinda scary)... sometimes it's easier for a promoter to grasp how much of a draw talent in the genres they prefer will bring as opposed to genres they don't particularly like.

thus why I would never book Drum and Bass.. Or if I did... I would only book John B every week ;p

or fuck... I don't even know what I'm babbling about now... think I need to get me some lunch.

[Buttercup]

to be fair to promoters (cause I am apparently in UBER-Devil's Advocate mode today... which is kinda scary)... sometimes it's easier for a promoter to grasp how much of a draw talent in the genres they prefer will bring as opposed to genres they don't particularly like.

thus why I would never book Drum and Bass.. Or if I did... I would only book John B every week ;p

or fuck... I don't even know what I'm babbling about now... think I need to get me some lunch.

Then maybe there should be a variety of promoters for each genre? Yeah, I don't even know what I'm babbling about either.

[daniella downs]

are you fvcking kdding me?

american dj's for the most part mix\circles around the uk guys. are you talking djing or production? don't get the 2 confused.



i meant as far as getting out there more and more.

because..and i'll admit this

through people like fixx, and yes, factor e, domestic breaks are becoming more accepted to the general populace NOWADAYS (and by nowadays i mean this year and last year) than any year after 2000.


and they are doing that by their production. they are making it sound more uk.


agree?

[Aerobum]

the popularity has made it up there - unfortunatly the yells for more funky breaks falls on deaf ears to the promoters because they do not like them.

LOL. Translate this attitude into a real everyday business:

Customer goes to dealership and orders a black car but gets a pink car instead. Dealer says, "too bad, we only like pink cars. If you want a black car, move out of state. Besides, no one likes black cars." Soon after, dealer goes belly up and another dumbass hotshot dealer takes his place and thinks "the last guy only sold pink cars, they must have known what they were doing..." The process perpetuates itself until an enterprising soul comes along and realizes he'll have more traffic and prosperity if he sells different models to everyone. He makes money off of black cars, pink cars and blue cars and sticks around for a while. Wow! Imagine that! What an idea! The fauilure prone eventually get well-deserved jobs at Shoney's where they belong.

Patience, FactorE. Patience. :)

[crisis]

I am by far no expert in breaks and spin oldskool uk breaks/hardcore more than anything else. But from what I hear most breaks being produced now all sound like nu-skool breaks. I mean I can tell the difference but everything seems to have the nu-skool sound in it somewhere (which I don't like). I spun a few florida acid breaks from the mid ninties the last time I spun out at buzz. I like florida breaks and I also spun progressive trance for 5 years. Who cares if people bash on your music, not everyone hates it.

[FACTORe]

i meant as far as getting out there more and more.

because..and i'll admit this

through people like fixx, and yes, factor e, domestic breaks are becoming more accepted to the general populace NOWADAYS (and by nowadays i mean this year and last year) than any year after 2000.


and they are doing that by their production. they are making it sound more uk.


agree?


my mind thought has never been to make something sound more UK. there is such a wide variety of different UK artists, i never would make a blanket statement like that. i try to always be improving production techniques etc. but not to try and sound like somebody. the best information i ever picked up productionwise didn't come from the UK people that i work with but with the guys from evol intent. they are amazing to work with and i was fortunate enough to have had the pleasure of working with them.

[daniella downs]

to start segrigating music based on the demographics of who made it is not good or healthy for the scene.

Too late. That ship has sailed. That is the current situation. No getting around it.

I like all breaks, not just the ones from here or over there. I also like balance. What's wrong with that?

Ian you missed my point. I've been reading those FL bashing posts for years. Just as everyone did to ALL breaks coming out of FL, regardless whether the production was good or not, let's take a few cheezy examples and stigmatize the ENTIRE uk breaks community lock, stock and barrel. Let's make everyone over there responsible for the sins of a few like what happened with FL breaks. Sound fair? Didn't think so. But this is what happened just about anyone or anything associated with Florida breaks a few years ago. Problem is the whole thing stuck and now most promoters won't touch anyone from there with a 10-foot pole.


because it's hard to change people's minds once they have it made up.

florida breaks screwed themself for a buncha years (oddly enough the years i was hating nuskool, go figure).

and when nuskool evolved in 2003, you'll notice florida breaks started evolving.

as i just said in another post, you're starting to see more florida breaks now than you have in a while. because they evolved.

THIS YEAR im getting to see the breaks i like at buzz. they hadnt brought anyone i liked break wise (bassbin twins aside) since 2002.

now.

that's 3 years i've had to wait.


i feel what you're saying here man. but stop bitching and look around. domestic breaks are on the rise. just give it time.

am i the only one here who actually sees that?

damn.

i'm arguing with people who are all pissed that their genre isnt played as much, but are too busy being pissed to notice that lately, their subgenre is on the up and up. you dont think your shit gets played enough...get in line with the hardcore kids.

[daniella downs]

my mind thought has never been to make something sound more UK. there is such a wide variety of different UK artists, i never would make a blanket statement like that. i try to always be improving production techniques etc. but not to try and sound like somebody. the best information i ever picked up productionwise didn't come from the UK people that i work with but with the guys from evol intent. they are amazing to work with and i was fortunate enough to have had the pleasure of working with them.


ok but that angry bassline sound was made big by uk producers.

do you not see that?

and jokes aside, you do make angry bassline music.

[Aerobum]

they are making it sound more uk.


agree?


Why you think becoming a kind of Stepford Wife breaks producer is a good thing...I dunno.

Anyone remember the old Mac commercial where all the IBM converts walked off the side of the cliff? Your comment kind of reminds me of that.

[FACTORe]

because it's hard to change people's minds once they have it made up.

florida breaks screwed themself for a buncha years (oddly enough the years i was hating nuskool, go figure).

and when nuskool evolved in 2003, you'll notice florida breaks started evolving.

as i just said in another post, you're starting to see more florida breaks now than you have in a while. because they evolved.

THIS YEAR im getting to see the breaks i like at buzz. they hadnt brought anyone i liked break wise (bassbin twins aside) since 2002.

now.

that's 3 years i've had to wait.


i feel what you're saying here man. but stop bitching and look around. domestic breaks are on the rise. just give it time.

am i the only one here who actually sees that?

damn.

i'm arguing with people who are all pissed that their genre isnt played as much, but are too busy being pissed to notice that lately, their subgenre is on the up and up. you dont think your shit gets played enough...get in line with the hardcore kids.



i am happy with plays i am getting - also as i said in the original post - i do not consider myself a funky breaks or florida breaks producer. what i make and play do not really fit in that catagory. my whole point is people want more breaks as a whole and finally they are being accepted in more places than just the southeast.

[FACTORe]

ok but that angry bassline sound was made big by uk producers.

do you not see that?

and jokes aside, you do make angry bassline music.

i got that from drum and bass not UK breaks producers

[FACTORe]

btw-this is actually a good conversation on this now without getting too crazy.

nice to see the perspective of people from other regions on this subject.

[daniella downs]

i am happy with plays i am getting - also as i said in the original post - i do not consider myself a funky breaks or florida breaks producer. what i make and play do not really fit in that catagory. my whole point is people want more breaks as a whole and finally they are being accepted in more places than just the southeast.


ok.

but like it or not, since you are domestic, and you hail from florida, and you play *some* florida breaks, that is what you are going to be considered, regardless of the fact that you play bassline shit too.

and people all over do want more breaks.

yes.

and there is a big want for your sound.

yes.

i agree with all that.


ok then, your point is made.

[Aerobum]

I am by far no expert in breaks and spin oldskool uk breaks/hardcore more than anything else. But from what I hear most breaks being produced now all sound like nu-skool breaks. I mean I can tell the difference but everything seems to have the nu-skool sound in it somewhere (which I don't like). I spun a few florida acid breaks from the mid ninties the last time I spun out at buzz. I like florida breaks and I also spun progressive trance for 5 years. Who cares if people bash on your music, not everyone hates it.

And I feel YOU represent the majority.

This other crap is a lot of online bantering, trying to please a few in spite of everyone else.

If a person is in so deep that they say "wow, listen to that snare," then I feel they've finally, regrettably lost touch with what MOST people actually hear and feel. But that's what's going on.

[daniella downs]

i got that from drum and bass not UK breaks producers


drum n bass = uk.


and you got big after people like aquasky did.

that's why i say that.

[daniella downs]

If a person is in so deep that they say "wow, listen to that snare," then I feel they've finally, regrettably lost touch with what MOST people actually hear and feel. But that's what's going on.


so what you're saying is really paying attention to the production of the music is losing touch.

im sorry man, but im a fan of the music that i love. i listen to every single bit of a song.

if that means i've lost touch, than so be it.

[daniella downs]

Why you think becoming a kind of Stepford Wife breaks producer is a good thing...I dunno.

Anyone remember the old Mac commercial where all the IBM converts walked off the side of the cliff? Your comment kind of reminds me of that.


dude.

ok.

you are being fucking rediculous here.


i didnt say it was a good thing.

it's how i see things are.

MY OPINION.

damn.

i realize your sandy because florida breaks arent more prominent. even im listening to jon's points, you arent doing the same at all.

you sound just like the people you are hating on.

[Aerobum]

but like it or not, since you are domestic, and you hail from florida, and you play *some* florida breaks, that is what you are going to be considered, regardless of the fact that you play bassline shit too.
.


So then what do you expect him to do? This is the crap I'm talking about. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. So what is it? You have a solution? I've NEVER seen something kicked so much when it's down than I have when it comes to FL breaks.

Again here we are making the disctinction. The person who loses out if the fan because of the labels, stigma and politics. Eventually you lose out too, trust me.

[daniella downs]

further fuckin more -


you're talking to someone who plays a lot of house with their breaks, and therefore gets shit for it by some people for not being a "real breaks dj" anymore.

so for real, stop bitching. you're not the only one who gets hated on.

is it apparent im starting to get annoyed by certain aspects of this conversation?

[daniella downs]

So then what do you expect him to do? This is the crap I'm talking about. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. So what is it? You have a solution? I've NEVER seen something kicked so much when it's down than I have when it comes to FL breaks.

Again here we are making the disctinction. The person who loses out if the fan because of the labels, stigma and politics. Eventually you lose out too, trust me.


dude.

seriously

SHUT UP.


you are giving me shit for simply telling you how it is. like it or not.

i expect him to keep doing what he likes to do, which is what i would do in his situation.

if he likes what he makes, i want him to keep doing it. there ARE people out there that like it.

you are making the most uneducated responses to this.

just because i play what i play, and like what i like, and can see the bigger picture, doesnt mean you need to come at me like the antichrist.

fuckin deal with it.

[darklightworker]

further fuckin more -


you're talking to someone who plays a lot of house with their breaks, and therefore gets shit for it by some people for not being a "real breaks dj" anymore.

so for real, stop bitching. you're not the only one who gets hated on.

is it apparent im starting to get annoyed by certain aspects of this conversation?

but you'll always be dreamy

[Aerobum]

so what you're saying is really paying attention to the production of the music is losing touch.

im sorry man, but im a fan of the music that i love. i listen to every single bit of a song.

if that means i've lost touch, than so be it.

Yes. Forest through the trees. That kinda thing.

You forget 99% of the people out there don't have the expertise to pick a song apart and could care less. They're present for different reasons than you and me, least of which is microanalyzing a song to death.

Where did I say you weren't a fan? Point that out please.

[daniella downs]

So then what do you expect him to do? This is the crap I'm talking about. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. So what is it? You have a solution? I've NEVER seen something kicked so much when it's down than I have when it comes to FL breaks.

Again here we are making the disctinction. The person who loses out if the fan because of the labels, stigma and politics. Eventually you lose out too, trust me.


and let me say something else.

he is damned if he does, and damned if he doesnt.

IT'S LIKE THAT IN EVERY GENRE.

[FACTORe]

drum n bass = uk.


and you got big after people like aquasky did.

that's why i say that.


actually evol intent...they are from GA and AL

[LahLah]

Good Ol Knick!! You two produce good shit together!!

[daniella downs]

Yes. Forest through the trees. That kinda thing.

You forget 99% of the people out there don't have the expertise to pick a song apart and could care less. They're present for different reasons than you and me, least of which is microanalyzing a song to death.

Where did I say you weren't a fan? Point that out please.


you said i was out of touch or whatever because i analyze a song to death.

there.

and i agree with you about the reasons people are present. you can play a trance song with a jingle bells sample and it will be huge to some people.

just ask pleasurehead.

different strokes.

[daniella downs]

actually evol intent...they are from GA and AL


where did dnb originate?

[LahLah]

Oh good god

[daniella downs]

oh good god what?

dnb originated from the uk.

so in my eyes anyone who makes music that derives itself from dnb, is influenced by uk producers.

how is that far fetched?

edit - my bad, my spelling sucks sometimes.

[FACTORe]

where did dnb originate?


africa

[spiggums]

africa

is this actually true? or is this a joke?

(look, I am not a DNB head... so I'm allowed to know nothing about the history of the genre... now ask me about some old school electro breaks... and we can start talking for days)

[FACTORe]

it all started with some dude playing drums with a guy playing stand up bass...the were prolly playing blues or jazz

[spiggums]

it all started with some dude playing drums with a guy playing stand up bass...the were prolly playing blues or jazz

well shit dude... we can talk about most any kind of music that way... ;p

[Liftedtrance]

oh good god what?

dnb originated from the uk.

so in my eyes anyone who makes music that derives itself from dnb, is influenced by uk producers.

how is that far fetched?

edit - my bad, my spelling sucks sometimes.

No

being a dnb fan i disagree. dnb originated in the uk a while ago (in terms of EDM time frames) and just b/c something is influenced by dnb at this time, doesnt necessarily mean it has much to do with the uk.

i see your point, and i think you could say that his sound is indirectly influenced by the uk, but i would not necessarily say it was in any way directly influenced by the uk/ uk producers.

i guess that gets into semantics and whatnot, but my point is that dnb has evolved so much since its beginnings, that something that is influenced by current dnb/ american dnb producers, doesn't necessarily have much to do with dnb's origins in the uk.

[daniella downs]

No

being a dnb fan i disagree. dnb originated in the uk a while ago (in terms of EDM time frames) and just b/c something is influenced by dnb at this time, doesnt necessarily mean it has much to do with the uk.

i see your point, and i think you could say that his sound is indirectly influenced by the uk, but i would not necessarily say it was in any way directly influenced by the uk/ uk producers.

i guess that gets into semantics and whatnot, but my point is that dnb has evolved so much since its beginnings, that something that is influenced by current dnb/ american dnb producers, doesn't necessarily have much to do with dnb's origins in the uk.


i know i know

and you are right.

you understand my point, and i know, i was stretching it.

[daniella downs]

ok.

check it.

this is the official write up (copied and pasted from afterdark records's website) for the new bottom end essentials record:


"The debut from the sister label is a doozy. "Make Some Noize" plays on the clever vocal sample instructing girls to never date a DJ (go figure) and flip it for "On the Block"...a vocal-filled bomb for the nu-skool enthusiast as well as the girlies. You won't want to miss out on this one!"


i'm done now.

[FACTORe]

ok.

check it.

this is the official write up (copied and pasted from afterdark records's website) for the new bottom end essentials record:


"The debut from the sister label is a doozy. "Make Some Noize" plays on the clever vocal sample instructing girls to never date a DJ (go figure) and flip it for "On the Block"...a vocal-filled bomb for the nu-skool enthusiast as well as the girlies. You won't want to miss out on this one!"


i'm done now.


written up by somebody that is trying to jump on a bandwagon

[Bioteknik]

ok.

but like it or not, since you are domestic, and you hail from florida, and you play *some* florida breaks, that is what you are going to be considered, regardless of the fact that you play bassline shit too.
ade.

speak for yourself..

[Bioteknik]

further fuckin more -


you're talking to someone who plays a lot of house with their breaks, and therefore gets shit for it by some people for not being a "real breaks dj" anymore.

so for real, stop bitching. you're not the only one who gets hated on.

is it apparent im starting to get annoyed by certain aspects of this conversation?

damn ian, I hope you don't take my teasin to heart.. although it wouldn't be as fun if it wasn't getting a rise out of you

[LahLah]

Ha thats the best part

[Bioteknik]

well it wouldn't be as fun otherwise...

[LahLah]

:leon:

[daniella downs]

ok.

i'm done with this thread.

no time for people who post in it who it is quite apparent really dont know shit about shit.


(and no chris, i dont take your teasing to heart)

[Bioteknik]

i hope that's not a response for some people who don't agree with you..

[LahLah]

lol

[BigK]

glad ya had fun up here, sorry I missed it. Me personally I have nothing against FL breakz. If it bangs and moves me I listen to it, whether its house breakz or dnb. But I hear ya man, good luck with the move...and what the hell are Mississippi breakz?

Mississippi has a huge breaks scene, I can say that because I am from Mississippi, I moved to DC from there a few months ago. Some of the big names in Mississippi producers are DJ Thumper and Daniel Marcus (www.phatrabbitrecords.com). Thumper has a unique "florida" sound where as Marcus has a more UK progressive sound. Both of them have multiple singles on vinyl that sell world-wide, and both live in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. Some of the big DJ names in Mississippi come from www.waxelastik.com, all the guys there are very talented and spin everything from Hip Hop, House, and Breaks. DJ Trashy, though from New Orleans, is also huge in Mississippi, and until the hurricane hit, played as much in Mississippi as he did in New Orleans and the rest of the south. Mississippi has a bad rap for being nothing but a bunch of rednecks listening to Hank Williams, but I hate country music, and out of all the friends I have down there, I can't think of one who even liked country music. There is a solid EDM scene as can be seen at www.msraves.com. (That web site is up and down because of the hurricane, so keep checking back). Anyway, just had to throw my 2-cents in on that subject!

As far as DC is concerned, the scene is great, glad to see Carl Cox and Richard Vision coming to represent breaks! And yes, florida breaks have melded into all kinds of breaks, I don't think there is a definitive "florida" style any more, most breaks DJ's have a Florida influence one way or another, but breaks are constantly changing, as in any genre.
Anyway, I am off my soap box now, so let the bashing begin!

[spiggums]

As far as DC is concerned, the scene is great, glad to see Carl Cox and Richard Vision coming to represent breaks!

???

...

...

I mean, really... what can one say in response to that?

[daniella downs]

i hope that's not a response for some people who don't agree with you..


come on now.

use your fuckin head.

it's clearly directed at people who make like 1 or 2 word posts who dont know shit, and are only posting on this thread to be an annoyance to someone else.

man.

i really thought you were smarter than that chris.

[DjLantern]

Good Ol Knick!! You two produce good shit together!!


I'm just curious if there's a big dj you don't know

[LahLah]

HA yes there is tons but knick and john know my ex bf eric and they all use to talk back and forth about music and sending music to eaach other then when i played in wilmington it was with evol entent and john and knick had to ride back to raleigh with us to catch the flight. Thats is how i know them thanks for asking!!!

[DjLantern]

:werd:

[spiggums]

what was this thread about again?

[DjLantern]

what was this thread about again?

how I'm starting to jack your style

[psion's gate]

What this thread is really about...is what "sucks" in the breaks genre. Be it from any place in the fucking world. It seems like alot of the shit I like in breaks comes from Australia, Italy, Spain, Canada, Uk, and US...

All those countries represent shitty music too. In fact, most popular music...gasp...is shitty.

For some reason, someone along the way decided that music is only good if it appeals to alot of people...or in the increasingly capitalistic sense: profitable.

I think it can be difficult for people in this country to like music that isn't selling out/playing on radio/tv....or a remix of such. It's the environment that we live in. I think people in Baltimore dig on some great music. For some reason cheesy doesn't work round here. Then again nothing does. All our clubs are empty except for a few people who are mostly djs...talking shit. Thus the Buzzboard can be similar...


Whatever...

All I'm really here to say is that I hope the people djing breaks will always play the good shit...

probably will never happen...eh...

....
.
...

..............
yeah


:blah:

[spiggums]

how I'm starting to jack your style

take a number, bitch!

(can I at least get a reacharound while you're doing the jackin?)

[Bioteknik]

come on now.

use your fuckin head.

it's clearly directed at people who make like 1 or 2 word posts who dont know shit, and are only posting on this thread to be an annoyance to someone else.

man.

i really thought you were smarter than that chris.

if you can't tell, I'm not able to completely keep up with the board like I used to. There were some differences with other posters previously in the thread. so don't go off the deep end.

[daniella downs]

if you can't tell, I'm not able to completely keep up with the board like I used to. There were some differences with other posters previously in the thread. so don't go off the deep end.


i mean.

i have no problems with people disagreeing with me. it makes for better discussions.

you and i disagree all the time. it makes for learning more if we dont always see eye to eye on things.

and you 100% know where that was directed to, and why it was said, chris. simply reading the thread coulda told you why i said it.

[spiggums]

i mean.


no... I MEAN... I don't care about your guys's back and forth... I wanna know if Peter's gonna give me my reacharound.

[DjLantern]

lol

[spiggums]

heh... someone doesn't like my brand of humor and left me blank negative rep on that post...

based off of how few points it deducted I think I know who it was... this wouldn't mean anything if it weren't for the fact that said person complains about unsigned negative rep :)

[daniella downs]

um.

wasnt me.

sorry ed.

[psion's gate]

never fool around with that rep stuff. I've sent some people some rep, and recieved it...but...dunno is there any point?

[DjLantern]

wasn't me

[spiggums]

never fool around with that rep stuff. I've sent some people some rep, and recieved it...but...dunno is there any point?

there is none... it was just something that made me chuckle is all :)

carry on... Peter's still ducking the point about the reacharound...

I really want to take this joke further, but I'm going to abstain so as to avoid tarnishing anyone's "good" names...

[Bioteknik]

it's the mystery repper

[LahLah]

:whip:

[Bioteknik]

there is none... it was just something that made me chuckle is all :)

carry on... Peter's still ducking the point about the reacharound...

I really want to take this joke further, but I'm going to abstain so as to avoid tarnishing anyone's "good" names...


you just want the reacharound.. stop living a lie!!!!

[spiggums]

you just want the reacharound.. stop living a lie!!!!

I'm just saying... some of the things I've gotten when my style has been jacked are far beyond the pleasure of a reacharound... so it's the least he can do...

[Bioteknik]

you sound like you know from experience...

[2rip]

ha


I'm not ashamed to say I play alittle florida :neener:


fuckin right man. why stick to just one thing? that's how i see it. of course i think you & i have a lot of the same style considering we manage to touch on a million different styles in our sets.

ian is the striped sweater queen

[skratchmatics]

and shit...so basically you are telling me to find a uk breaks dj that pulls as much as icey IN THIS COUNTRY. i agree, it probably wont happen. icey is huge.

now.

we go over somewhere that is not here...and compare icey to other djs over there.

what happens?

and im actually curious here.

and it DOES matter where it's made. certain areas tend to produce music that sounds a certain way. it's not called alaska bass, is it? no. it's miami bass.


Icey still pulls over there? The last 2 times he's been out on the left coast he's played for empty ... and I mean empty as in the promoter, his friends, and 5 of us who were on the guest list and got 5 drink tickets as incentive to go.

I guess people over here are a little more on the picky side. We've already figured out that the dude can't mix .. ever. ... but he does seem to cash in well with the gigs due to his prowess in the studio!

The UK guys are the ones who pack the clubs out here, you pretty much can't fill up a spot unless someone from the UK is playing, or the Bassbin Twins. Not to say that's how I think it should be ... I'm actually really disappointed to see US DJ's like Kelly Reverb and other people who had pull back in the day become nearly forgotten.

As far as Florida breaks go .. I don't consider it to be geographic terminology. It's a type of music, and Factor-e doesn't make that type of music (which I think has been described best as "funky breaks, without the funk"), even though he's from Florida.

[daniella downs]

Icey still pulls over there? The last 2 times he's been out on the left coast he's played for empty ... and I mean empty as in the promoter, his friends, and 5 of us who were on the guest list and got 5 drink tickets as incentive to go.

I guess people over here are a little more on the picky side. We've already figured out that the dude can't mix .. ever. ... but he does seem to cash in well with the gigs due to his prowess in the studio!

The UK guys are the ones who pack the clubs out here, you pretty much can't fill up a spot unless someone from the UK is playing, or the Bassbin Twins. Not to say that's how I think it should be ... I'm actually really disappointed to see US DJ's like Kelly Reverb and other people who had pull back in the day become nearly forgotten.

As far as Florida breaks go .. I don't consider it to be geographic terminology. It's a type of music, and Factor-e doesn't make that type of music (which I think has been described best as "funky breaks, without the funk"), even though he's from Florida.

yeah, icey is still a big draw here. and i dunno, i've only been to one party out there, and aquasky was playing (club red or some shit i beleive it was called), and the place was packed. so i guess you're right. "funky breaks without the funk" that is awesome.

btw, i heard you heard my partner marco play at the love parade. he said you said you really enjoyed it. thanks for making his day.

[FACTORe]

Icey still pulls over there? The last 2 times he's been out on the left coast he's played for empty ... and I mean empty as in the promoter, his friends, and 5 of us who were on the guest list and got 5 drink tickets as incentive to go.

I guess people over here are a little more on the picky side. We've already figured out that the dude can't mix .. ever. ... but he does seem to cash in well with the gigs due to his prowess in the studio!

The UK guys are the ones who pack the clubs out here, you pretty much can't fill up a spot unless someone from the UK is playing, or the Bassbin Twins. Not to say that's how I think it should be ... I'm actually really disappointed to see US DJ's like Kelly Reverb and other people who had pull back in the day become nearly forgotten.

As far as Florida breaks go .. I don't consider it to be geographic terminology. It's a type of music, and Factor-e doesn't make that type of music (which I think has been described best as "funky breaks, without the funk"), even though he's from Florida.


i love playing the west coast

always seems to be a full house - i am in phoenix right now

300 peeps in the club last tuesday night and all american breaks djs. same story in seattle and portland - next month we will see what happens in LA and San Fran - i think the consumer is caring more about what is being played now than where the dj lives these days. those demographic segrigation days are thankfully on their way out. Good djs playing good music is in.

[LahLah]

I hear breaks are really huge in Spain as well.

[FACTORe]

funky florida breaks are now posted in this thread (http://buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64533)

[LahLah]

hey john im really like a tune you put out awhile ago i belive you and agent k " start the panic" Its awesome =)

[FACTORe]

hey john im really like a tune you put out awhile ago i belive you and agent k " start the panic" Its awesome =)


thank you

[daniella downs]

actually.

i've heard that tune too.

dark as fuck.

not too shabby for what it is.

[LahLah]

Will one of you play it when you are here the end of the month!! I am def coming to that one!!

[FACTORe]

actually.

i've heard that tune too.

dark as fuck.

not too shabby for what it is.


i lil bootleg thing really

thanx though

btw - ian - today i am making a mix for you and spiggums - you guys kinda inspired me to play awful music but make it sound supreme....does that makes sense? (it is a compliment by the way)

[spiggums]

i lil bootleg thing really

thanx though

btw - ian - today i am making a mix for you and spiggums - you guys kinda inspired me to play awful music but make it sound supreme....does that makes sense? (it is a compliment by the way)

uhhhh

dun make me come down there and fucking cut you...

cause I will...

;p

[daniella downs]

i lil bootleg thing really

thanx though

btw - ian - today i am making a mix for you and spiggums - you guys kinda inspired me to play awful music but make it sound supreme....does that makes sense? (it is a compliment by the way)


i will have to hear it.

i liked a lot of that mix you sent peter, until it got all deekliney and shit (which isnt BAD, just not as much my taste as the first half of the mix)

and lol, you spinning my kinda shit is a compliment i will take.

[FACTORe]

i will have to hear it.

i liked a lot of that mix you sent peter, until it got all deekliney and shit (which isnt BAD, just not as much my taste as the first half of the mix)

and lol, you spinning my kinda shit is a compliment i will take.


here it is (http://buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64533&page=4)

[Bioteknik]

so ian, was that mix that peter gave you fla breaks? since all the tracks were his, or remixes of his

[FACTORe]

so ian, was that mix that peter gave you fla breaks? since all the tracks were his, or remixes of his


there were some florida breaks on that one actually

i have musical ADD - and never stay anywhere long

[skratchmatics]

so I was hanging out with my friend Randy (who made some Florida breaks as Momentum) this past weekend and realized exactly where Florida breaks lose the funk.


The beats are too electro based.


and the samples are fired off all at the same volume, without much variation, which loses the warmth and makes everything sound overdigitized (again, electro based).


Electro is not funky. At all. It's pretty much the opposite of funk.

When I think of dancing to electro, the first styles that come to mind are popping and locking ... probably the two most rigid dance styles in the history of mankind.


So the cheesy synth lines are definitely not where Florida breaks goes wrong IMO ... compare it to old skool breakbeat hardcore, lots of cheesy synth lines going on there, but being paired with sampled drums has kept the funk in old skool, and I thnk helped keep that genre as a favorite to many 12+ years beyond it's mainstream departure.

[Chef Roy R Dee]

I disagree. take the Toxic Twins for instance. Hardcore electro mixed with straight FUNK.
you're telling me that Afrika Bambatta and the Soul Sonic Force have no funk?!
please.....

[spiggums]

I disagree. take the Toxic Twins for instance. Hardcore electro mixed with straight FUNK.
you're telling me that Afrika Bambatta and the Soul Sonic Force have no funk?!
please.....

quoted for truth

[Phoenix]

I grew up on FL breaks.

[DJMarcO]

Here's why people hate on FL breaks. Cuz there hasn't barely been ANY innovation out of that scene in YEARS. How many times can you hear the same tired out B-Boy "fressssshhh" or "gotta be tough" samples without wanting to shoot yourself in the head??? The funny thing is, by and large no matter WHERE I've gone, the only kids really into FL breaks are all little under 21 candy kids. Cuz it still sounds new to them. Hey - great for all the FL dj's/producers. But for the rest of us that have been partying for 10 + years, we want something new. Something tasty. Something from the UK or Australia or anywhere other than Florida!!!

And yes, some UK acts do give nods to the FL sound - but you know what? They make it sound BETTER. It's not anyone's fault that the UK producers (by and large) have a better grasp of either the software they're using, or the gear they produce on. Or maybe it's just a regional thing. I mean - when FL started tanking a few years back, and nuskool came up - FL came back w/ the bassline sound. Nevermind that it had already been done, and better for the most part - but they didn't come up with anything fresh and exciting - they just jumped on the jock of the UK guys.

You know, I used to like Icey, and Fixx and Sharaz and Infiniti - but nothing they have done in the last 5 years sounds any different. I can't even tell the tracks apart. That's why they get the stinkeye. I don't wanna hear Icey's Essential Mix every frickin' time I see him - but guess what - that's what he fucking plays. *yawn*

There's only one person at this point that I can handle that spins that shit - and that's DC's own Lantern. And it's just cuz he manages to make it sound fresh by adding in 4x4 shit and D&B. If he didn't, I'd make fun of him too.

The day someone from Florida comes out with a "DJ Phully - Daft Fader (FFS vs. Hi8 mix)", or "Kiro vs. Undeceided - Obsessive Nature (Rogue Element mix)", or just about anything by Splitloop - then maybe I'll recant. Till then tho...

:smurf:





so - let me preface this by saying the following:

1. because you live in florida doesn't mean you make florida breaks
2. i do not spin florida breaks
3. ian looks good in a striped shirt

with all that being said. some observations about breaks in dc (allthgouh what can you really tell from one weekend)

it is very popular to hate on florida breaks yet who is the biggest draw for breaks in dc? Icey, the king of Florida breaks. (don't give me "he is a draw only cause he is icey" bullshit because he is icey because of what he plays and makes) what breaks tracks went off the most of any of the breaks tracks played @ the show at nation played by djs other than Icey? florida breaks. DC is experiencing the same thing that many other regions do. The crowds for the most part love florida breaks but the people that are in charge of booking talent hate them. Therefore, the customer is not always right. What the people want doesn't matter. Over the past 1 1/2 - 2 years the lines have def been blurred as to what is florida and what is nu skool etc. There is no clear cut definition of what each style is anymore with artists like Deekline, Autobots, Breakfasters, Freestylers, Backdraft, distortionz, general midi all making florida sounding tracks. Is it a demographic thing? is it ok for these records to come from the UK but it they come from the southeast USA then they are somehow magically tainted? Pendulum is even making funky breaks and they go off. I know that in a town like DC where politics is a given, that this may not be the best post politically, but i want an intelligent discussion on this and maybe have a few people step back and take a different look at why things are the way that they are there.

btw - i am moving out of florida in a couple weeks so maybe i won't be quite as tainted...LOL

btw - i met a LOT of kewl people there and i had a great time. i look foward to coming back again. maybe just to hang out if nothing else.

mississippi breaks rawks

[skratchmatics]

I disagree. take the Toxic Twins for instance. Hardcore electro mixed with straight FUNK.
you're telling me that Afrika Bambatta and the Soul Sonic Force have no funk?!
please.....


Zulu War Chant is funky ... but isn't electro. How much Afrika Bambaataa have you heard? Him and his posse made very few, maybe even only a couple of electro tracks back in the day, and they aren't funky. .... but even then, anyone who's seen Bambaataa live might be inclined to debate against whether he's really got funk.

Planet Rock (aka 100% Kraftwerk sampled beats) isn't funky .... have you ever been to a big b-boy show like Rocksteady Reunion? B-boys who hit the floor and have funky steps DO NOT feel Planet Rock, it's a strictly popper and locker track (very rigid, unfunky), usually played early on as a warm up to the real funk.

Our taste disagreement is probably just apples and oranges though .... I come from a long background of b-boying, so the funk 45 OG breaks stuff (Just Begun, Apache, Give It Up Turn It Loose, etc) is definitely what will always get me going, rather than Planet Rock, Clear, Electric Kingdom, etc warm up tracks.

[skratchmatics]

And yes, some UK acts do give nods to the FL sound - but you know what? They make it sound BETTER. It's not anyone's fault that the UK producers (by and large) have a better grasp of either the software they're using, or the gear they produce on. Or maybe it's just a regional thing. I mean - when FL started tanking a few years back, and nuskool came up - FL came back w/ the bassline sound. Nevermind that it had already been done, and better for the most part - but they didn't come up with anything fresh and exciting - they just jumped on the jock of the UK guys.



It's easily to generalize UK stuff sounding better, but it's mostly just because of vinyl quality and mastering. Most US releases are unmastered, or definitely not mastered by a professional studio with a lot of experience with vinyl mastering.

Marco, making good music is not geographic ... there's a few producers I can think of from Florida, and probably even more I don't know of, who make good stuff, that even gets released on UK labels. Just because the labels are based in the UK doesn't mean all of the producers on those labels are, I'd estimate that close to half of the really good ones aren't living in the UK.

[daniella downs]

It's easily to generalize UK stuff sounding better, but it's mostly just because of vinyl quality and mastering. Most US releases are unmastered, or definitely not mastered by a professional studio with a lot of experience with vinyl mastering.

Marco, making good music is not geographic ... there's a few producers I can think of from Florida, and probably even more I don't know of, who make good stuff, that even gets released on UK labels. Just because the labels are based in the UK doesn't mean all of the producers on those labels are, I'd estimate that close to half of the really good ones aren't living in the UK.


if something is released on a uk label, it automatically means it's better.




lol.







i hope you realize this is a joke.

[Aerobum]

Is this still going on?

Sheesh.

[DJMarcO]

Well - let me put it this way then....

I'd rather see/hear/purchase stuff by Splitloop, Hi-8, FFS, Atomic Hooligan, Raw As Fuck/Freestylers, Plump DJ's, Soul Of Man, Stereo 8, Lee Coombs, Meat Katie, Elite Force, 10 Sui, Hyper, etc. etc. before I'd ever waste my time w/ Icey, Sharaz, Fixx, Infiniti, Baby Anne and all the other FL names. I mean, I like some Jackal & Hyde, some of what J-Break has done, and even some of what Joey Fatone's long lost brother Mr.Factor E puts out - but nine times out of ten I'll take music from anywhere else in the globe before I bother w/ anything from FL.

Just my opinion. I don't think anyone else has to think like me or agree with me. :thatshot:



It's easily to generalize UK stuff sounding better, but it's mostly just because of vinyl quality and mastering. Most US releases are unmastered, or definitely not mastered by a professional studio with a lot of experience with vinyl mastering.

Marco, making good music is not geographic ... there's a few producers I can think of from Florida, and probably even more I don't know of, who make good stuff, that even gets released on UK labels. Just because the labels are based in the UK doesn't mean all of the producers on those labels are, I'd estimate that close to half of the really good ones aren't living in the UK.

[Aerobum]

To those who ridiculously believe that what they listen to projects some sort of intelligence to others, the above post is further proof the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

[Bioteknik]

hye, I myself prefer dumb-breaks.

[peterlee]

Here's why people hate on FL breaks. Cuz there hasn't barely been ANY innovation out of that scene in YEARS. How many times can you hear the same tired out B-Boy "fressssshhh" or "gotta be tough" samples without wanting to shoot yourself in the head??? The funny thing is, by and large no matter WHERE I've gone, the only kids really into FL breaks are all little under 21 candy kids. Cuz it still sounds new to them. Hey - great for all the FL dj's/producers. But for the rest of us that have been partying for 10 + years, we want something new. Something tasty. Something from the UK or Australia or anywhere other than Florida!!!

And yes, some UK acts do give nods to the FL sound - but you know what? They make it sound BETTER. It's not anyone's fault that the UK producers (by and large) have a better grasp of either the software they're using, or the gear they produce on. Or maybe it's just a regional thing. I mean - when FL started tanking a few years back, and nuskool came up - FL came back w/ the bassline sound. Nevermind that it had already been done, and better for the most part - but they didn't come up with anything fresh and exciting - they just jumped on the jock of the UK guys.


:smurf:


It rains alot in the UK. I'd be sitting at home working on track, too. In Florida the weather is great, and there are half naked women walking around everywhere. Shit, I wouldnt be hanging out working on tracks too much either. I'll buy what I want to hear, reguardless where it comes from. Im surprized that no one has mentioned the "us west coast sound".... I might have missed that in the book that this thread has become.

[Aerobum]

Half naked women like booty bass. It's a proven fact. I'll stick to what the women like...the benefits are better.

[Bioteknik]

they also like bad hip hop and crap off of z104...

[Bioteknik]

Half naked women like booty bass. It's a proven fact. I'll stick to what the women like...the benefits are better.
BTW, Deekline is far more booty bass than most of the stuff coming from down south.

[Aerobum]

BTW, Deekline is far more booty bass than most of the stuff coming from down south.

You say that like it's a good thing.

[Bioteknik]

making women dance sucks. I want dancefloors full of sausage.

[dagriffi420]

give me breaks, all breaks, and nothing but breaks

[moon]

Well, after reading quite a few pages of this thread, I think i'll add to it.

The bottom line in music is this: there are good songs and bad songs. Doesn't matter what state/country/continent/universe they come from. Good and Bad comes from everywhere. There are bad UK Breaks and bad US Breaks. Bad Australian Breaks, and bad Canadian Breaks. I will agree that most of the Breaks in the UK sound better than most of the Breaks coming out of the USA, but there are Breaks Producers here in the USA who are really talented producers. You just have to look harder.
The reason the UK music sounds more intelligent, is the time and thought that they put into it. Bottomline. More time allows for more thought. The more time you work with gear/recording, the better the music will sound. I think that's a big part of it. Most of the UK Breaks Producers have been producing music for a long time. Most of them were doing DnB, or house in the early to mid 90's. Of course that does not go for all of them, but a lot of them have been around longer than most of the Breaks producers here.

Now do I dislike breaks that come out of Florida? No. I do like what SOME people are doing. Honestly, I think there were better Breaks coming out of Florida in the mid 90's (early Icee, Andy Hughes, Friction & Spice, Yummy, etc), but the quality is slowly coming back down there. Especially now that the UK Breaks scene is doing so well, and so much good stuff is coming from over there. It makes you as a producer, stand up and realize that you've got to put in more thought and effort into what you do. I'm sure people laughed at my older Funky Breaks tracks, and thought they were cheese - but it's all a learning process for everyone. I'm actually glad people made fun of my tracks, because it's what pushed me to become better and step up my production and thought process.

Now do I laugh at Florida Breaks? Some of them do make me laugh, but so do some of the Breaks coming out of other regions in the USA and the UK. But, I have heard many US tracks that impressed me. Like I said, you just need to search a little harder.

I thought the Snuff - Put Em Up track was pretty cheesy myself. I bought the 12 for the flipside ;)

:tmi:

[Combat Wombat]

...

[Combat Wombat]

I agree Moon. UK Breaks producers have simply been at it for longer, and have had more time to master their equpment and refine their sound. There is a lot of crossover from DnB producers (Aquasky anyone?), and these guys have been at it for 10+ years.

To add to that, they have something else going for them: there are a lot of them in a small geographic area. If you are a producer in London, you can go out on the weekends and hear 50 other producers dropping brand new tracks, and get inspired to one-up them in the studio during the week. Creativity feeds on itself, and London has that creative critical mass right now. The city is saturated with talent.

A short story to illustrate my point: I went to a breaks/b-boy party in South London one night. I'm standing there, and end up striking up conversation with some guy standing next to me. Turns out he is DJ Ollywood, one half of the brains behind Rat Records (DJ Deekline being the other half). And this is just the first person I happened to chat with. God knows who else was in the club that night.

I'm not saying that All UK breaks producers are better, or that a wicked track can't be made anywhere else. I'm just saying that the producers on that side of the pond have an easier time of it, because they are in the middle of a creative melting pot.

But the internet has done its part to make the world smaller, and it matters less and less where you live. Still, living in DC now, I can't help but miss the scene over there. Its inspiring.

[daniella downs]

Honestly, I think there were better Breaks coming out of Florida in the mid 90's (early Icee, Andy Hughes, Friction & Spice, Yummy, etc),


agreed. i dont think anyone will ever touch friction and spice.






I thought the Snuff - Put Em Up track was pretty cheesy myself. I bought the 12 for the flipside ;)

:tmi:

me too actually. i thought rock n roll was really good, and it got passed up for put em up by a lot of people.

btw, is this dj moon?

florida or not, i actually like what you've done a lot.



see people, there's actually some florida i like.

[moon]

btw, is this dj moon?

florida or not, i actually like what you've done a lot.



see people, there's actually some florida i like.

Thanks! But i'm not from Florida ;) haha

[moon]

To add to that, they have something else going for them: there are a lot of them in a small geographic area. If you are a producer in London, you can go out on the weekends and hear 50 other producers dropping brand new tracks, and get inspired to one-up them in the studio during the week. Creativity feeds on itself, and London has that creative critical mass right now. The city is saturated with talent.

A short story to illustrate my point: I went to a breaks/b-boy party in South London one night. I'm standing there, and end up striking up conversation with some guy standing next to me. Turns out he is DJ Ollywood, one half of the brains behind Rat Records (DJ Deekline being the other half). And this is just the first person I happened to chat with. God knows who else was in the club that night.

I'm not saying that All UK breaks producers are better, or that a wicked track can't be made anywhere else. I'm just saying that the producers on that side of the pond have an easier time of it, because they are in the middle of a creative melting pot.

But the internet has done its part to make the world smaller, and it matters less and less where you live. Still, living in DC now, I can't help but miss the scene over there. Its inspiring.

Agreed. Inspiration is the biggest part of it - especially for me. When I go out all I hear is lame top 40 rap and hear girls complaining when the DJ drops 1 Breakbeat track. That is not the inspiration I need. A thriving scene where people are open to new music is what I need to be productive, and I don't get that where I live. :(
Thanks MTV & Top 40 Radio.

[Catalyst]

:modlock:

[Bioteknik]

well dammit.. this thread doesn't need to be locked.. but for some reason my browser won't pull up the thread tools.