the scene has become saturated with carbon copy dj's

[quantum]

how did every dj get the same record, and rinse it the same way, every time? what happened to the nights when you would actually hear leftfield, trip hop and (OMFG) JUNGLE?!?

i just dont get turned on anymore when I hear the same anthems risned the same way, everywhere I go, anywhere in the US.

the mixing formula needs to die as well. Bringing in the beat on the same count gets tired. and no one double drops anymore.

DJ's, check yourself and take a look at why you mix and collect vinyl. You can say its "all about the music" but your mix tells the truth.

[DJInergy]

How often do you come out? People like Deinfamous, Illeffect and Godfather Sage do shit like this all the time at Cubik, at Japone, on EXBC, and just about everywhere else they play.

And what do someone's mixing abilities have to do with how passionate they are about their music? I know people that live, eat, sleep and breathe jungle but couldn't mix soap with water.

[joenice]

how did every dj get the same record, and rinse it the same way, every time? what happened to the nights when you would actually hear leftfield, trip hop and (OMFG) JUNGLE?!?

i just dont get turned on anymore when I hear the same anthems risned the same way, everywhere I go, anywhere in the US.

the mixing formula needs to die as well. Bringing in the beat on the same count gets tired. and no one double drops anymore.

DJ's, check yourself and take a look at why you mix and collect vinyl. You can say its "all about the music" but your mix tells the truth.
Originality is a necessity.

this is exactly why i do what i do.

[DJInergy]

Originality is a necessity.

this is exactly why i do what i do.

:werd:
MAD respect for Joe Nice, for pushing the limits on the dubstep sound.

[quantum]

How often do you come out? People like Deinfamous, Illeffect and Godfather Sage do shit like this all the time at Cubik, at Japone, on EXBC, and just about everywhere else they play.

And what do someone's mixing abilities have to do with how passionate they are about their music? I know people that live, eat, sleep and breathe jungle but couldn't mix soap with water.

passion and talent arent related, but the next person who mixes "tarantula" im going to jump over the tables and choke with my bare hands.

[shade]

How often do you come out? People do shit like this all the time on EXBC, and just about everywhere else they play.



:spliff:


:werd:

[DJInergy]

passion and talent arent related, but the next person who mixes "tarantula" im going to jump over the tables and choke with my bare hands.

:spit:
Ok, now that's funny.

Seriously though... I do agree that there are a LOT of people out there who aren't pushing boundaries. I don't see it as a bad thing, necessarily... I mean, if you love whatever form of dnb and you love mixing but you're simply not blessed with any kind of DJing abilities, it's not a crime to buy decks and vinyl and do what you love. I say more power to em.

Then of course, I find myself reminiscing of Starscape a few years ago... I think 'Twist EM Out' was played by 5 different dnb DJs, and rewound 3 times...:nixo:

[joenice]

:werd:
MAD respect for Joe Nice, for pushing the limits on the dubstep sound.
big up man...thanks !


how did every dj get the same record, and rinse it the same way, every time? what happened to the nights when you would actually hear leftfield, trip hop and (OMFG) JUNGLE?!?
I agree with you. there needs to be more music. it cant be all about breaks, house and d&b. there's more to life than chocolate, vanilla and strawberry ice cream...the same can be said for the music.

If there was a dj that decided to take the risk to play gabber in this area (balt / dc), i think people would jump on it. i'm not sure why...i just have that feeling.

that's really the main reason as to why i not only push my sound....but i push other sounds that i think are fresh and interesting. There have been loads of people that have downloaded DanGee & JohnAsk's mix from Sonar. (http://www.joenice.net/DSS_Sonar.mp3)...it's dub and you dont always hear that all the time.

FWIW - Shade's "Circadian Rhythm" mix, DanGee & JohnAsk's dub set and Godfather Sage's 2 disc mashup @ Sonar are the three best mixes i've heard all year. Give them a listen...you'll hear why.

[Jungle Jessi]

no offense man, but complaining about it really isn't gonna do anything.

i've met you before, and you seem like a really cool cat whos into cool music, so this isn't meant to be an attack, or anything. just some advice.

think about it.....no one is EVER gonna read a thread like this and be like "your right. i mix music like a tool. from this day forth i will never again play any top 40 crap." a thread like this won't change anything. it will just start more fighting and bickering, and if thats what your going for then cool. but if your trying to change things, then you need to do it yourself. or start a thread looking for creative people.....don't just bitch about how there are none out there. we both know thats horseshit.

[quantum]

no offense man, but complaining about it really isn't gonna do anything.

i've met you before, and you seem like a really cool cat whos into cool music, so this isn't meant to be an attack, or anything. just some advice.

think about it.....no one is EVER gonna read a thread like this and be like "your right. i mix music like a tool. from this day forth i will never again play any top 40 crap." a thread like this won't change anything. it will just start more fighting and bickering, and if thats what your going for then cool. but if your trying to change things, then you need to do it yourself. or start a thread looking for creative people.....don't just bitch about how there are none out there. we both know thats horseshit.

i do my part by seeking out sounds that are different. Ive been pushing the raggacore/noise/hardcore/gabber sounds just because im fucking sick of the fact that every dj's bin carries the same tunes.

you know what ive found? the crowd loves it, other dj's hate it. the point in creating this post was to rinse out some frustration, and call attention to the fact that way to many DJ's are being booked for the wrong reasons. politics and business shouldnt overshadow the root of why we are here as collective music lovers.

if I could ask for anything from this thread, it isnt to call people out, but raise awareness to the stale and repetetive state of *most* club nights. Have higher expectations of your dj's, their track selection, their mixes. We know about the music, we bring it to the masses. define your scene your own way, make your town/crew/team distinct and different from the one down the road. raise the standards! theres more places to find good vinyl than the two or three records stores 90% of the DJ's buy their shit from.

[The Jezereck]

the guys is from central PA, nuff said

[quantum]

the guys is from central PA, nuff said

actually im from hawaii, but I happen to live in a great spot with some thorough people and a solid scene. nuff said.

[thermo_Us Crew]

cry me a river mofos

[Winterman]

drum & bass is dead. The next trend is gonna be emostep, mixed with a side of gabberrave and trancehop. Who puts the "ass" in drum and bass? Is it about fishing why don't they call it drum & scrod? why are all these glowstick ravers looking at me when I spin records, maybe I should become a breaks Dj? I'll never get it... :doh:

Opinions are like assholes or whatever....

[The Jezereck]

actually im from hawaii, but I happen to live in a great spot with some thorough people and a solid scene. nuff said.
if thats the case, then what are you complaining about?

[quantum]

if thats the case, then what are you complaining about?

its more than just my local scene, its a problem for the edm sound as a whole.
a big part of why I began listening to edm was to move away from the formulaic radio/mtv/top 40 songs that were swallowing up the airwaves.

the longer dnb is around, the more DJ's pop up and apply the very formula I was trying to escape by going underground to begin with. DJ's attempting to climb a social ladder, playing tunes that will with some certainty exact the response that will get them another gig.

I see this problem appearing EVERYWHERE now, not just in my hometown.

to me our scene is distinct, its about pushing limits and taking risks on the tables. battling, exposing crowds to new sounds, new records, new artists, old artists with new sounds.

[shade]

if thats the case, then what are you complaining about?


lol, way to catch negative nancy in his own words, jim.


you cant have it both ways, man. dont come on here and bitch about how stale the scene is and then defend it for being solid and full of thorough people.


btw, just what is it that makes a person thorough, anyway?

[The Jezereck]

the scene here in DC is completely different, i see versatility between each dj and its amazing. And the fans of DnB? God Ive never seen a more devout group of people, these people are usually more entuned to whats new then some of the DJ's, this keeps everyone trying harder and harder to stay ahead of them. The local talent here is simply amazing, and each time I go out they amaze me even more, hell most times I don't even really care who's headlining but rather which local is tearin it up tonight.

And the ones that do fit what you are describing generally don't last long, and this is exactly the reason why. But as for the formula, you do have to follow some sort of semblance other wise you end up out of key out of phase and then you just sound like shit. Now I agree each dj should do everything in his/her power to personalise each set, and the great ones do, thank god DC has a lot of greats.

As for new sounds, new records, new artists, thats really up to the distributors and simply complaining about it isnt going to do much help. If you don't like what you hear, create something new, thats how the underground has always been.

[MURAMASA]

All good Q, nothing wrong with having 'scene' issues, lord knows we've all got them. You should definitely check out some of the local parties here the next time you get the chance, we have some real gems in this city (like any other) if you know where to look.

Personally I think the answer to this sort of problem isn't to stay in, but to go out and search for the sounds you like... yeah, you might waste $10 one night and not find anything you like at a club or bar, but I guarantee that in DC, if you ask around and follow the locals that are praised the most you'll find at least a few that strike your fancy. Of course, there are always Fridays on EXBC (www.expansionbroadcast.com), Sunday nights on Dirtbox Radio (www.dirtboxradio.com), etc...
:respekt:

[quantum]

All good Q, nothing wrong with having 'scene' issues, lord knows we've all got them. You should definitely check out some of the local parties here the next time you get the chance, we have some real gems in this city (like any other) if you know where to look.

Personally I think the answer to this sort of problem isn't to stay in, but to go out and search for the sounds you like... yeah, you might waste $10 one night and not find anything you like at a club or bar, but I guarantee that in DC, if you ask around and follow the locals that are praised the most you'll find at least a few that strike your fancy. Of course, there are always Fridays on EXBC (www.expansionbroadcast.com), Sunday nights on Dirtbox Radio (www.dirtboxradio.com), etc...
:respekt:

big up for being genuine muramasa

[FETISH]

When you have an ass load of bad djs and limited, even at best, "good" songs it's hard for the newbs to get their own way of doing things.

[darkenetiks]

how did every dj get the same record, and rinse it the same way, every time? what happened to the nights when you would actually hear leftfield, trip hop and (OMFG) JUNGLE?!?

i just dont get turned on anymore when I hear the same anthems risned the same way, everywhere I go, anywhere in the US.

the mixing formula needs to die as well. Bringing in the beat on the same count gets tired. and no one double drops anymore.

DJ's, check yourself and take a look at why you mix and collect vinyl. You can say its "all about the music" but your mix tells the truth.

i feel your pain, but honestly? i hear more of the "big boys" doing that than the people who buy records as a hobby. like already said, you've gotta dig deep beneath the surface, dooder. you have a solid scene where you're at, right? well, DC/baltimore has a pretty solid one itself...because there's a RACK of DJs that aren't out there just doing the same old bullshit.

i know that the majority of DJs i hear spin out locally do things that make me push myself to the next level. get creative. dig up tunes i forgot i had etc.

[method]

how did every dj get the same record, and rinse it the same way, every time? what happened to the nights when you would actually hear leftfield, trip hop and (OMFG) JUNGLE?!?

i just dont get turned on anymore when I hear the same anthems risned the same way, everywhere I go, anywhere in the US.

the mixing formula needs to die as well. Bringing in the beat on the same count gets tired. and no one double drops anymore.

DJ's, check yourself and take a look at why you mix and collect vinyl. You can say its "all about the music" but your mix tells the truth.

sounds like you want some jsmooth man. mother fucker will double-drop hiphop over dnb on 3 tables. SIIIIIIICK

www.gfsproductions.com

[Busy Child]

every scene has issues and theres always room for improvement. If there was nothing to improve on, why even bother? Thats what keeps ppl i feel.

[RickyRicardo]

I will never understand why so much emphasis is placed on being different, especially in a form of expression that survives on the finite availability of mass-produced music. Honestly, fuck different....it's not really that much different, anyway. When one tries so extra-hard to be different, it's really just a way of saying "Look at ME"...while a good DJ says "Look at this MUSIC!".

Give me skill and consistency, and I don't care what you spin....

[proximity]

i agree to an extent. cant stand djs who "spin liquid" "spin neuro" "spin dark amen mashups" etc.. a whole set of any one thing is nooo good

well unless its like a gimmick mix one time thing or something, then it can be quite enjoyable.

[Fetterbug]

sounds like you want some jsmooth man. mother fucker will double-drop hiphop over dnb on 3 tables. SIIIIIIICK

www.gfsproductions.com


:badkitty:

[RickyRicardo]

i agree to an extent. cant stand djs who "spin liquid" "spin neuro" "spin dark amen mashups" etc.. a whole set of any one thing is nooo good

Being consistent and being boring are two different things entirely

[proximity]

Being consistent and being boring are two different things entirely

most def! its good to create a sound for yourself (for example i do spin a hella lotta sort of neurofunk and techstep stuff) but you also have to throw some suprises into the mix to keep people interested

[kirk]

take chances with bold mixes (style or skill wise)

keeps things interesting.

or step away for a month. you'd be amazed how refreshing things sound pon' return....

[djc[uscrew]]

DJC for president


i spin mostly cd's

so i doubt youll here rinsing the same vinyl as everyone else

[proximity]

']DJC for president




and you dont have an ego either ;o

[TDB]

its more than just my local scene, its a problem for the edm sound as a whole.
a big part of why I began listening to edm was to move away from the formulaic radio/mtv/top 40 songs that were swallowing up the airwaves.

the longer dnb is around, the more DJ's pop up and apply the very formula I was trying to escape by going underground to begin with. DJ's attempting to climb a social ladder, playing tunes that will with some certainty exact the response that will get them another gig.

I see this problem appearing EVERYWHERE now, not just in my hometown.

to me our scene is distinct, its about pushing limits and taking risks on the tables. battling, exposing crowds to new sounds, new records, new artists, old artists with new sounds.

Instead of jumping down your throat, I gotta say I feel ya on this a little bit Q. I got into "underground" music [punk, hip hop, EDM] a while back for those same reasons. Now it's pretty much all I listen to. Guess I'm one of those jaded 'everything popular sucks' guys, but I don't care. I honestly believe smaller artists doing it out of passion honestly make better music.

It does kinda bother me when the music I turned to to get away from formulaic pop crap starts falling into that same trap. I think part of it comes with the small size of 'the scene'... There's only so many producers out there, and when you get into it and know everything and every hot new track there is to know it's kinda like, "OK, now what"...

I DO think dnb has a better overall scene than alot of EDM, and DC is quite good. I definitely would like to see more dj's play with different bpm stuff. I fuckin love mixes where a hip hop, reggae, or downtempo track brings it down and then BAM! the dnb comes back in on ya. It makes both ends of the spectrum so much more interesting. To me that is JUNGLIST. Props to winterman for reppin that shit in his mixes!

...and remember kids - Don't Hate, Participate :ez:

[SE7EN17PROD.]

Jeff, you make a good point... And, honestly you do push the limits more than most.. BIG UP! But even within our scene and sound certain tunes are liked more than others. Luckily they aren't mass produced MTV shite. So what I'm saying is, for a scene and sound to survive without complete alienation of the crowd, known tunes need to be played. They help to keep people interested, the fact that they know and like a toon is a big deal. But, on the same note, dj's do need to add a bit of spice to their sets, whether its unconventional mixing, dubs, or that banger thats been hiding in your crate since 1996. As for you, keep doing what you're doing, and push that distinct sound you love.

-jesse-

[time0000]

yo as long as you do what u love to do and enjoy it and r makeing something for yourself and someone else agrees it really dosent matter if you think everything sounds the same then find something diffrent or a producer or dj that you can get down to I mean there is no point in argueing this point it can come from many directions and everyone be legit to someone so i mean just enjoy what you find and like and let the rest do there thing

[darkenetiks]

^ the period key on that guy's comp is broken.

[FETISH]

i agree to an extent. cant stand djs who "spin liquid" "spin neuro" "spin dark amen mashups" etc.. a whole set of any one thing is nooo good

well unless its like a gimmick mix one time thing or something, then it can be quite enjoyable.

A gimmick like, say, a dj setting themselves on fire! I would pay $10 to see that!

[proximity]

A gimmick like, say, a dj setting themselves on fire! I would pay $10 to see that!

i was thinking more like .. a mix entirely consisting on one producer or something.. but hey you can see dj swamp for what youve suggested.. he even smashes vinyl over his head to the point of bleeding as well :o

[decoy]

Originality is a necessity.

this is exactly why i do what i do.

yeah, this guy has records only like, 3 people have heard before. I <3 his sound.


...he even smashes vinyl over his head to the point of bleeding as well :o

I downloaded a video of a crazy german guy (go figure right?) playing cheesy trance. it's ends with him smashing a record on his head. he is quite insane. I'll see if I can find the link for reference.

[proximity]

I downloaded a video of a crazy german guy (go figure right?) playing cheesy trance. it's ends with him smashing a record on his head. he is quite insane. I'll see if I can find the link for reference.

yea ive seen that , its quite funny .. singing along to that awful europop song and then dancing to gabber

MIYAHEEE- MIYAHAA - MIYAHAA- MIYAHAAAH

[decoy]

and then there was that part where the music went away and he was just singing. I found that video to be mezmerizing.

[quantum]

I guess it would be unreasonable to start a thread like this without something to show for it.

ill come back with a personal mix link to show you what I mean.

[decoy]

are you gonna put X-ray in there? that track it totally killar!! :raveon:

/sarchasm

[quantum]

are you gonna put X-ray in there? that track it totally killar!! :raveon:

/sarchasm

nah, maybe ill rinse tarantula and strangle myself in the mix and link a video to it.

[Thomas]

how did every dj get the same record, and rinse it the same way, every time? what happened to the nights when you would actually hear leftfield, trip hop and (OMFG) JUNGLE?!?

i just dont get turned on anymore when I hear the same anthems risned the same way, everywhere I go, anywhere in the US.

the mixing formula needs to die as well. Bringing in the beat on the same count gets tired. and no one double drops anymore.

DJ's, check yourself and take a look at why you mix and collect vinyl. You can say its "all about the music" but your mix tells the truth.


sounds like you need to check yourself.......

Are you off re-inventing the wheel and not sharing w/ everyone else?


Clown

[decoy]

nah, maybe ill rinse tarantula and strangle myself in the mix and link a video to it.

really? cool.

[joenice]

I guess it would be unreasonable to start a thread like this without something to show for it.

ill come back with a personal mix link to show you what I mean.
i'm curious to hear this. i'm serious.


you know i'll give it a listen.



yeah, this guy has records only like, 3 people have heard before. I <3 his sound.thank you sir. Mike...you know how i get on.
by the way, Aug. 26... Brooklyn, NY...DubWar II.

Lineup is: Me, Dave Q, DanGee (dub).


it's a Friday night. let me know if you're interested. (this goes for everyone else too...). i know there's one person that's already RSVP'd for the trip.

[TDB]

A gimmick like, say, a dj setting themselves on fire! I would pay $10 to see that!

sweet! like rammstein dnb? :bbjohnson: how about more topless dj's? :dunce:

[shade]

pull the pin out, sheep creep in wolf garb
fronted by the hail marry parry lunge mixer
kill the populace for stability, jeopardy's a stickler
its bob and weave amalgam played the falcon to your fixture
i branch out, arms flailing backwards
wailing upon a tidy sound circuit
slightly foul gershwin
with a bed of nails and drumlust plus disgusted service
workin in shifts opposite the asbestos brain furnace
i be the now observatory eye ear antenna feeler
spittin like a dragon with a similar demeanor
stood innocent bystand witness the diehard fans turn rip van
in the poppy fields of new york's orchestrated brick gauntlet

now i'm thinking who am i? jabberwocky superfly bent left
pushin war without the ten step cushion and what.
i plan to hold this beat positive sacred in these golden veins
until the day i die from grimace overload.

it's shock, it's shock
treatment offered by the weekend
this still be a getaway, let's display the sequence it goes:
one for the heartless thievery turning my guardian angel harpless
and the rest to sweep the mess under the carpet.
i drag a yellow taxi meter behind every measure
and charge cats for labeling me shepherd
that'll be six fifty plus tip darlin,
i take cash, credit, check, money-order, gold and cigarette cartons.

huh, got caught up in the universe tryin to zoom in on stardom
forgot the passion plus the hatred, both were based in carbon
next time you wanna be a hero try saving something other than drum and bass
and maybe drum and bass will save you from a wasted place.

kill 'em all, yield
naw man it wasnt me it was holden caulfield brother
i just read and pulled the trigger
oh god, well leave me to tiptoe past the pearly gates
capture the halo, jet back to base, step past the chase
the bad taste of jet-lag and weight slackers

there ain't nothin broken, where you at?
the pistons pump perfect, where you at?
the bass tone is merlin, where you at?
this service is an urgent workin surgeons
purgin formulas looking for an improper cause is whack.

what are you saving, honestly, honestly, honestly?
what are you saving, honestly, no honestly?
what are you saving, honestly, honestly? damn.
promise me you goin shut the fuck up and recognize
what you holding aint really broken.

i dont flick needles like my sick friends.
i dont march like beetle bailey through a quick trend.
i dont frequent church's steeples on my weekends,
and i dont comment if you formulate a weak zen.

all i ever really wanted was a getaway,
i'm a take a chance by letting a brook slide for what i got in my hands
i can not agree to follow a leader while on the borderline
a war without a reason for the brady hates gore
bring out your dead, we can put 'em in a pile
and burn 'em with the novels for the kids then to admire
kill the ones that speak from a different life
brewin other killer noise making the sentiment...

okay, welcome to the kamikaze bottle rocket cockpit.
live by the icy cold hand of bad intention youth blender
oh yeah i'll let god warm the bench for now but
i'll ascend to spin y'all dizzy
and for the record i'm bringin my t.v. with me.

yo, let the commoners speak publicly
then disperse eye jammies for cats that swear by third pupil
but cant see past the loophole
motherfucker, my word is born like siamese triplets,
with doctor, lawyer, rocket scientist promise
(let em grow leisurely)

hey mom, i'm a fix without my probe along this path
once my shpiel's perfected i'm a save you a seat in the front row
of aesop rock's shut the fuck up seminar
and when all these bickering crowds turn solid you goin be proud
i tack hacks to the backboard
honesty's a latchcord
fury's far from obsolete
serenity's a crackwhore

raw caricature of mayhem standard branded by the labor
with a thousand reasons to end this for every one of you saviors
saw the brightest burst ironically wide from the vacant stage
gave it a pound for burning where bunk ratio's engaged
keep me posted as to when you grasp something mature to
sit and sulk about mister, and i'll consider pickin up your record

the authors, they aint got nothin to save
the overground, man they aint got nothin to save
def jux they aint got nothin to save
the addams family, they aint got nothin to save
weightless, aint got nothing to save
stronghold, aint got nothing to save
rhymesayers baby, they aint got nothin to save
aesop rock aint got nothin to save.

[TDB]

touché my friend:

I became toxic allotted in badly shaded cement fuselages
of juvenile non-approval and loosely smoker's school cut abandonment
Where great expected movement tossed itself to the brain otters and shakily
faded in my timeline to something honestly hard to stand
(if that's not a booby trap) I would muse, stepping on Nike Uptown abuse
Yeah the darkest blue swoosh and cathartic ruse faction of, a B-Boy enacted
as truly city all-bomber and my thoughts followed the color chart on the
A-train country, hovering under the A-Frame structures bloody
And if I closed my optics I could trace the lines lovely they said: You'll
start your life between pause tape slices and muddy
kicks that lick the salt off your neck
and its more than apparent your portable parent with the
built-in mic might like sinister syllable smart tongue more than your
teachers do, that's two schools booted from on some dumb shit
young menace, get the message, bad medicine, restless, sad jettison rejection
had to endith the lesson
I used to do an impression of Buff after lunch outside the cage, making faces
Kelley green with envy grimace, that's my gimmick
went with truancy and the bad apple, and it slowly formed my spirit
so when I couldn't fit the scholastic structure of my peers I didn't fear it
(and it was) air brush on the pants leg and, name cut in the back of the head and
cipher in the subway without money in my pocket then
recognize this is the new truth, we refuse to suckle the empires ruse
original box-cutter walker who talk to rebuild a new living proof
see me as a banshee, as the illest motherfucker since Oedipus
monkey number one million with a typewriter, flipping tempest text
left evidence, simple-headed vagrants try to chase where Forest's feather went
darts exit us, and still leave enough alive to join the exodus
fresh as fuck, best of luck, better lead banality rally quest
stuck writer might flip, vvvvvroooom! Excitebike bitch
enter the hellafied Fat-Boys-slash-BDP hybrid founder of
militant anti-mime fraction, operate on the fringes of establishment
binge on erratic shit, fabric knit, got you riverdancing in lederhosen for woodchips
step into the Def Jux office auditions like: "sausage"
Jam Master Jay would've shot you (I stopped him)
Sorcerer, nitroglycerin in truck driving through rainforest unstable
Rawkus was like, "we're gonna take this label to another level"
(fuck that) I'm gonna take this level to another label
Anti-pop composer, sonically robbing the nation
when I strap on a blue cardigan we can be neighbors (do lasers)
water douse fire now, fire bad, fire blank at bastard Bladerunner bliss
shotgiven(miss), another bargain bin opportunity moment clipped
I was a B-Boy once, I really gave a fuck (still do)
When you were trading episodes at laser tag academy I was applying
for most sinister mister brainfuck crown confront
The loudest son of the transistor rubble box
damage and shit like open-handed palm brandishing
letting the hurt live where it landed... Like that

(chorus)
This is for New Jacks trying to decide where they fit (get busy)
Destroy the walls when you spit
For writers with a Krylon image brain print (translate it)
Leave your name dripping from bricks
For cats who covet fame with my name on their lips (re-think it)
you're sucking poison milk from fake tits
This is for kids worried about the apocalypse (do something)
Prepare yourself and stop talking shit

:bowtodaking:

[PHOEBE420]

A good Dj has originality and skill! The scene isn't the same anymore. Cd technology is kool and all, but it's all about the vinyl!!

[guise]

what do CDs have to do with originality?

[PHOEBE420]

Cd's don't have anything to do with it!! I was just stating that I prefer Vinyl!! I like the old skool way of djing.

[n-root]

Yo funk dat! I throws down hard on 2 2" 24 track Studer real-to-reals Yo! BOH!
http://www.musicoff.com/lezioni_images/pillole_studer24.jpghttp://www.musicoff.com/lezioni_images/pillole_studer24.jpg
http://www.sweetwater.com/reports/AES109/Manleys8x8x2%20tube%20mixer.jpg
Mixed on a tube Mixer! Now that's how OLD SCHOOL I AM!

[emoney]

i think it's really cool to hate.

PS: I like tarantula and x-ray. i wouldn't put them in a mix (well, probably not) but I would play them out (well, x-ray is a little far done, but maybe not tarantula). DJs job = get the floor movin'. If those tracks do it, then, well... I hardly go out enough to complain about hearing those tunes. In fact, I've heard tarantula once, and that was pendulum at starscape. Most people on the floor are not trainspotters who get a little wet in their pants by telling their friends they've heard this song.

It's just as sheepish to start hating a song that's good because people like it than to like a song that's good cause no one's heard it. if the song is good, the song is good. if it makes the floor dance, then the dj has done his job, no?

These are the same arguments over and over. blah. play whats good, play well, make the floor move... i guess.

[Jungle Jessi]

http://www.sweetwater.com/reports/AES109/Manleys8x8x2%20tube%20mixer.jpg
Mixed on a tube Mixer! Now that's how OLD SCHOOL I AM!

mmmmmmm.

manley. :drool:

[djilleffect]

^ the period key on that guy's comp is broken.

he should borrow ***JUNGLIST***'s

[guise]

i think it's really cool to hate.

PS: I like tarantula and x-ray. i wouldn't put them in a mix (well, probably not) but I would play them out (well, x-ray is a little far done, but maybe not tarantula). DJs job = get the floor movin'. If those tracks do it, then, well... I hardly go out enough to complain about hearing those tunes. In fact, I've heard tarantula once, and that was pendulum at starscape. Most people on the floor are not trainspotters who get a little wet in their pants by telling their friends they've heard this song.

It's just as sheepish to start hating a song that's good because people like it than to like a song that's good cause no one's heard it. if the song is good, the song is good. if it makes the floor dance, then the dj has done his job, no?

These are the same arguments over and over. blah. play whats good, play well, make the floor move... i guess.




i've always wanted to play a really trashy tune like nelly's E.I.


hell i won't even mix it in.


gets the chicks dancing.

[TDB]

E - I, E - I -- Oh Ohhh!
Old McDonald still reppin it boyeeeeee.




dammit i hate nelly. why is that song in my head? someone make it stop.

[plan b]

to many DJ's are being booked for the wrong reasons. politics and business shouldnt overshadow the root of why we are here as collective music lovers. .

of course we all want to play as often as we can...there are lots of small parties for newcomers to play at... in dc, we are limited to the number of larger venues...if everyone who hosted one of these venues was so rich that they could afford to keep parties running without making money... then you would be in luck... but the bottom line is that if you're name on a flyer doesn't bring out good crowds or doesn't make the venue any money, they are losing business... that's the nature of the music business... if you are doing something original and people actually like what you are doing, then you will get noticed if you promote yourself.. nothing is handed to you as an up and coming dj.. it takes time to establish a name for yourself... so quit your bitching and hand out some demos, go out and talk to people about your ideas, and if all else fails, you can start your own party for all those DC ragga/hardcore/gabber fans.. cmon we know you're out there.

[quantum]

of course we all want to play as often as we can...there are lots of small parties for newcomers to play at... in dc, we are limited to the number of larger venues...if everyone who hosted one of these venues was so rich that they could afford to keep parties running without making money... then you would be in luck... but the bottom line is that if you're name on a flyer doesn't bring out good crowds or doesn't make the venue any money, they are losing business... that's the nature of the music business... if you are doing something original and people actually like what you are doing, then you will get noticed if you promote yourself.. nothing is handed to you as an up and coming dj.. it takes time to establish a name for yourself... so quit your bitching and hand out some demos, go out and talk to people about your ideas, and if all else fails, you can start your own party for all those DC ragga/hardcore/gabber fans.. cmon we know you're out there.

werd.

[kinda]

Hmmmmm, jsut read through this thread.....Over here in the UK it is simliar to an extent, but not to bad....i live in the NW of UK, NOT LONDON!!! and the scene up here is very different, the NW scene is very close and not to much beef.....people up here do mix quit adventios , and you dont get much anthem bashing, Rewinds dont happen that often, and usually, if a DJ does more than one rewind in a set, hell get slated(i a constuctive way) for weeks :lol: so no one really does it....

i must add to this thow....IN MY VIEW!! i dont think alot of the DJ's here in the NW push them selfs enough, u hear there mixes theve done at home....and there amazing, double drops, bit of scratching, spot on mixing, doesnt drag, beat juggling, all sorts....BUT when u hear them out, its not half as good, there is always the element of ' o no, better not risk that trick, incase i mess up in front of loads of people' but sometimes, i think u need to be able to beat the fear, to push ur DJin to the next level, otherwise when ur out, ur mixing is always basic....at the end of the day PLAYING OUT IS WHERE YOUR MIXING COUNTS!!!

and @ the guy who made this thread.....dont bitch about other peoples mixing , untill ur andy C!!!.....:lol: comments are cool, but disses are shit!

[quantum]

Hmmmmm, jsut read through this thread.....Over here in the UK it is simliar to an extent, but not to bad....i live in the NW of UK, NOT LONDON!!! and the scene up here is very different, the NW scene is very close and not to much beef.....people up here do mix quit adventios , and you dont get much anthem bashing, Rewinds dont happen that often, and usually, if a DJ does more than one rewind in a set, hell get slated(i a constuctive way) for weeks :lol: so no one really does it....

i must add to this thow....IN MY VIEW!! i dont think alot of the DJ's here in the NW push them selfs enough, u hear there mixes theve done at home....and there amazing, double drops, bit of scratching, spot on mixing, doesnt drag, beat juggling, all sorts....BUT when u hear them out, its not half as good, there is always the element of ' o no, better not risk that trick, incase i mess up in front of loads of people' but sometimes, i think u need to be able to beat the fear, to push ur DJin to the next level, otherwise when ur out, ur mixing is always basic....at the end of the day PLAYING OUT IS WHERE YOUR MIXING COUNTS!!!

and @ the guy who made this thread.....dont bitch about other peoples mixing , untill ur andy C!!!.....:lol: comments are cool, but disses are shit!

I dont think I bashed anyones mixing ability personally, my thread was more a commentary on the pop culture side of the drum and bass scene and my frustration with seeing what seems to be the same formula in every spot.

In reflecting on my post and the responses, I realize there is a scene here in the US, and its getting bigger every day. It would be neat to see more people experimenting, getting sounds from corners of the world other than the two main websites every dj seems to go to, and starting up nights showcasing different genres.

Big up to those who are pushing their own sound--> Joe Nice, Wrong Music, N20, nobot, ohm/osr, the heads on the board who stream us mixes and radio showcases, and the people in my town who I get to see some weekends.


And the second paragraph of your point is spot on.

[joenice]

drum & bass is dead. The next trend is gonna be emostep, mixed with a side of gabberrave and trancehop. Who puts the "ass" in drum and bass? Is it about fishing why don't they call it drum & scrod? why are all these glowstick ravers looking at me when I spin records, maybe I should become a breaks Dj? I'll never get it... :doh:
EmoStep? GabberRave? Trancehop?

do these actually exist? Big up Moe...each and every.

Big up to those who are pushing their own sound--> Joe Nice
Thank you sir.

People know.

[dj category 5]

central pa is york and only thing in york is 7-17. BOO.

harrisburg same way.

BOO. that's right i said it
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[darkenetiks]

of course we all want to play as often as we can...there are lots of small parties for newcomers to play at... in dc, we are limited to the number of larger venues...if everyone who hosted one of these venues was so rich that they could afford to keep parties running without making money... then you would be in luck... but the bottom line is that if you're name on a flyer doesn't bring out good crowds or doesn't make the venue any money, they are losing business... that's the nature of the music business... if you are doing something original and people actually like what you are doing, then you will get noticed if you promote yourself.. nothing is handed to you as an up and coming dj.. it takes time to establish a name for yourself... so quit your bitching and hand out some demos, go out and talk to people about your ideas, and if all else fails, you can start your own party for all those DC ragga/hardcore/gabber fans.. cmon we know you're out there.

holy shit it's plan b!!!!!!

:freakout:

[yvonison]

of course we all want to play as often as we can...there are lots of small parties for newcomers to play at... in dc, we are limited to the number of larger venues...if everyone who hosted one of these venues was so rich that they could afford to keep parties running without making money... then you would be in luck... but the bottom line is that if you're name on a flyer doesn't bring out good crowds or doesn't make the venue any money, they are losing business... that's the nature of the music business... if you are doing something original and people actually like what you are doing, then you will get noticed if you promote yourself.. nothing is handed to you as an up and coming dj.. it takes time to establish a name for yourself... so quit your bitching and hand out some demos, go out and talk to people about your ideas, and if all else fails, you can start your own party for all those DC ragga/hardcore/gabber fans.. cmon we know you're out there.

:star::star::star:

[decoy]

he should borrow ***JUNGLIST***'s

:haha:

yeah...... that guy does use an........ excessive amount of

....periods.......spaces and smilies :bigpimp: :delirious: :toofless: :bravo: :breakdance:

OH.... SHIT!!! :spit:

ANd I'm NoT EVeN GetTinG InTO tEh MisuSe Of CAPs.

/usless observation

[2rip]

and all the people shouted in unison...


"your right. i mix music like a tool. from this day forth i will never again play any top 40 crap."


i've got my new years resolution all set up now. thanks, guys! hail to the wobble.