View Full Version : when you listen to music other than dnb..
proximity
2005-07-29, 07:56 PM
does it seem like its missing something? i think people in dance music and dnb specifically have the full frequency spectrum mixdown down to a tee, to the point i listen to a lot of the rock i used to enjoy like shai hulud and the like.. and im like "goddamn this needs more bass, that snare doesnt hit hard enough, too much tops".. etc. i dont know maybe im just weird.
BrianArsenault
2005-07-29, 08:01 PM
sort of. altho a lot of stuff i was into years ago, and some of which i still am, was recorded on the most busted broke ass equipment that i can't really expect too much of the audio quality.
as far as major label releases where the artists were probably in some two grand a day studio... nah not so much.
Agent Sunshine
2005-07-29, 08:01 PM
Nope, I don't have that problem at all. I mean, if a punk album is produced to sound like dnb, then to me it sounds totally wrong, ya know?
proximity
2005-07-29, 08:07 PM
sort of. altho a lot of stuff i was into years ago, and some of which i still am, was recorded on the most busted broke ass equipment that i can't really expect too much of the audio quality.
as far as major label releases where the artists were probably in some two grand a day studio... nah not so much.
yea i feel you .. i used to love the horrible audio quality of a lot of older early 80s cheaply recorded punk etc. just becasue that grit and basically shitty sound was part of the music but i actually think has dnb spoiled my ears hahaha
BrianArsenault
2005-07-29, 08:09 PM
yea that old punk is exactly what i had in mind. minor threat, dead kennedys, black flag, etc...
it wasn't about the engineering cuz they had the heart mannnnnn.... :wink:
proximity
2005-07-29, 08:09 PM
Nope, I don't have that problem at all. I mean, if a punk album is produced to sound like dnb, then to me it sounds totally wrong, ya know?
yea i hear you 100%, you cant really compare but in my case i listen to entirely too much dnb, and kind of set the standard for other kinds of music on that for some reason. weird becasue when i first got into dance music i really didnt do that at all? i still love all the old punk+hardcore i used to listen all the time it just feels a bit ..... empty :not agaaain:
Signal
2005-07-29, 08:12 PM
plus when things *are* over produced, they end up losing some character thats attributed to anything analog or ghetto..which is why particularly in dnb, theres a tendency for producers to be attracted to that analog sound alongside their highly tuned digital production. that was a mouthful, but i think you get what im saying...
darkenetiks
2005-07-29, 08:15 PM
it wasn't about the engineering cuz they had the heart mannnnnn.... :wink:
fuckin hippy.
darkenetiks
2005-07-29, 08:17 PM
to add: i listen to other music to escape dnb. so i don't expect it to have super clean production.
yeah I kinda no what you mean. other stuff just doesn't sound as "full" when you're ears become used to dnb i guess.
proximity
2005-07-29, 08:22 PM
to add: i listen to other music to escape dnb. so i don't expect it to have super clean production.
yea i dont "expect" it to be as full frequency wise as dnb, i guess something in the back of my mind is just a bit disappointed becasue its not lol .. i think listening to less dnb might be the solution
DJInergy
2005-07-29, 08:30 PM
i think listening to less dnb might be the solution
That's the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard.
:slap:
Get ahold of yourself, man. Christ.
MURAMASA
2005-07-29, 08:31 PM
Oh my god... hahaha.:haha:
proximity
2005-07-29, 08:34 PM
That's the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard.
:slap:
Get ahold of yourself, man. Christ.
hahaha .. all i listen to nowadays is dnb+dub, its bad, you dont understand
Agent Sunshine
2005-07-29, 08:35 PM
Other kinds of music also value certain sounds differently. Obviously you're not going to hear the same type of bass and snare in a Beatles song as you are in dnb, but to say that they didn't have amazing production would be completely false. Or, listen to the drums in most well produced metal songs (For example, Battery by Metallica, which I'm listening to right now), those generally have a lot more low/mid than drums in dnb.
proximity
2005-07-29, 08:38 PM
Other kinds of music also value certain sounds differently. Obviously you're not going to hear the same type of bass and snare in a Beatles song as you are in dnb, but to say that they didn't have amazing production would be completely false. Or, listen to the drums in most well produced metal songs (For example, Battery by Metallica, which I'm listening to right now), those generally have a lot more low/mid than drums in dnb.
yea man, i understand what youre saying. not talking about expecting the same sounds tho, just the same mixdown quality in terms of filling the whole spectrum really ;[
i realize other genres do it in different ways, but dnb is just so FULL .. lol
Bounce
2005-07-29, 08:50 PM
i know when i listen to other stuff.....its god damn slow! which makes it appear to lose energy.... lol thats what 5 years does to you
Agent Sunshine
2005-07-29, 08:55 PM
In that case, you need some Megadeth!
Other kinds of music also value certain sounds differently. Obviously you're not going to hear the same type of bass and snare in a Beatles song as you are in dnb, but to say that they didn't have amazing production would be completely false. Or, listen to the drums in most well produced metal songs (For example, Battery by Metallica, which I'm listening to right now), those generally have a lot more low/mid than drums in dnb.
well yeah, that is true. of course different genres with totally different roots and methods are going to have different production. dnb the drums are high to make room for the bass. metal and rock the bass guitar is not neaarly as prominent so theres more overlap with the drums.
I tried in vain for years to get my old roomate into dnb, and he tried to get me into his punk shit. I did come away with a few new bands I still listen to, but I have always listened to a lot of rock. He never could get past the "techno" in dnb no matter how hard i tried. The speed didn't do it for him, the hard stuff didn't work, and the chill stuff was just to gay for him. I guess some peoples ears can never adjust!
proximity
2005-07-29, 09:19 PM
well yeah, that is true. of course different genres with totally different roots and methods are going to have different production. dnb the drums are high to make room for the bass. metal and rock the bass guitar is not neaarly as prominent so theres more overlap with the drums.
I tried in vain for years to get my old roomate into dnb, and he tried to get me into his punk shit. I did come away with a few new bands I still listen to, but I have always listened to a lot of rock. He never could get past the "techno" in dnb no matter how hard i tried. The speed didn't do it for him, the hard stuff didn't work, and the chill stuff was just to gay for him. I guess some peoples ears can never adjust!
its most definitely an acquired taste. once you get locked into one musical genre .. its so hard to look at others the same. a vicious circle.
proximity
2005-07-29, 11:24 PM
plus when things *are* over produced, they end up losing some character thats attributed to anything analog or ghetto..which is why particularly in dnb, theres a tendency for producers to be attracted to that analog sound alongside their highly tuned digital production. that was a mouthful, but i think you get what im saying...
yea i agree totally.. with an all-software setup becoming so widely used one of the problems is definitely stuff that comes out too clean if you know what youre doing (i really don't, haha), with little definining character or grit.. but there are ways around this as you know. i think too many people squash the track to get it as loud as possible and lose a lot of dynamics in the process. why even use a fuckin l2 if you dont have to, the way i see it it will sound ok on cd and if you need to get it mastered for vinyl the engineer can take care of the rest. youre sacrificing a lot of dynamics for a little bit of loud... VST multiband compression aint exactly the same as hardclipping on a desk with a nice sound either hehe
decoy
2005-07-30, 04:15 PM
Nope, I don't have that problem at all. I mean, if a punk album is produced to sound like dnb, then to me it sounds totally wrong, ya know?
:werd: :werd: :werd: :werd:
every type of music is different and I like them for that.
to add: i listen to other music to escape dnb. so i don't expect it to have super clean production.
:werd: once more. as much as I like it, it gets a bit grating to the nerves after a while.
decoy
2005-07-30, 04:21 PM
i know when i listen to other stuff.....its god damn slow! which makes it appear to lose energy.... lol thats what 5 years does to you
In that case, you need some Megadeth!
or slayer :shrug:
random note: I was driving down 295 last night, to get to teh nationz, and I passed a Variable message sign that read "SPEED KILLS" in big letters :raveon: how fucking awesome is that? I wish I had my camera, cuase I woulda stopped for a pic.
BrianArsenault
2005-07-30, 05:41 PM
fuckin hippy.
SIMPLIFY MANNNNNN!!
the neptunes are making a killing reshashing old skool sounds and beat techniques with the enhanced production technology of today.
ferrel uses logic on the regular yet his beats could easily be mistaken for old schooly d and the like....
certain music just sounds better raw.
there's a studio in philly that is nothing but old solid state equipment from the BBC. its sole purpose is to capture the warmth of sound from decades back. major artists of all types seek this place out.
daniella downs
2005-07-31, 10:37 PM
does it seem like its missing something? i think people in dance music and dnb specifically have the full frequency spectrum mixdown down to a tee, to the point i listen to a lot of the rock i used to enjoy like shai hulud and the like.. and im like "goddamn this needs more bass, that snare doesnt hit hard enough, too much tops".. etc. i dont know maybe im just weird.
it's not just dnb listeners man.
dont make dumbass statements like that.
HOWEVER.
i am sorry i did not get to meet you last night, i was actually interested in doing so.
proximity
2005-07-31, 10:44 PM
it's not just dnb listeners man.
dont make dumbass statements like that.
HOWEVER.
i am sorry i did not get to meet you last night, i was actually interested in doing so.
yea it goes for any type of music really i just used dnb becasue thats my experience lately. yea, i left around 12:00.. was chilling in the basment during the day then the field later might have missed ya
The Logic Theorist
2005-07-31, 11:04 PM
Um, no. I've never heard a track by DJ Premeire or Kayne West, for example, and though to myself, "Bad Company would have mixed this down so much better."
proximity
2005-08-01, 12:06 AM
Um, no. I've never heard a track by DJ Premeire or Kayne West, for example, and though to myself, "Bad Company would have mixed this down so much better."
dillinja or pendulum would have ;p
Jungle Jessi
2005-08-01, 12:07 AM
i don't usually have any issue with the mixdown of other genres of music.
i like my music to have more bass, but if i've got a craving i just pop in korn or tool.
but the one thing that mixing edm DID ruin for me is the drum beat.
beacuse i will totally hear it when the drummer falls off beat for even a split second.
and you know if you notice it once, then you will hear it forever. :dammit:
The Logic Theorist
2005-08-01, 12:11 AM
I doubt it.. Primo has been releasing records since 1989. Dre? Prince Paul? C'mon.
You do realize that historically, before it became easy for anyone to buy some software and call themselves a producer (not that big name DnB producers fall into that category), anyone mixing down a track on a major label release had to have a significant amount of Audio Engineering education and experience right? I think it's a pretty biased statement with no basis in fact to say that engineers in DnB are just magically better at a mixdown, particularly considering how young the genre is when compared with the general body of popular music we have to reference.
proximity
2005-08-01, 12:40 AM
I doubt it.. Primo has been releasing records since 1989. Dre? Prince Paul? C'mon.
You do realize that historically, before it became easy for anyone to buy some software and call themselves a producer (not that big name DnB producers fall into that category), anyone mixing down a track on a major label release had to have a significant amount of Audio Engineering education and experience right? I think it's a pretty biased statement with no basis in fact to say that engineers in DnB are just magically better at a mixdown, particularly considering how young the genre is when compared with the general body of popular music we have to reference.
well of course pop music is always going to have the biggest studios,the most expensive equipment available,etc. so that has loads to do with it. in dnb and dance music tho a certain level of production is demanded, where its not so much about super polished production in other genres a lot of the time , barring pop music. its pretty amazing when you look at the production of people like pendulum, i dont think ive heard that rivaled in terms anything except pop music.