Things you can do with 2 records

[2rip]

Was just staring at both of my copies of Thrust 2 and thinking about all the different kinds of things I could do with that song. Since you are all dj masters here I think we could use some discussion...

What are some things you do with 2 records? (each the same track, obviously)

i've been finding it to be entertaining to scratch in different samples of the record playing, then matching up the beats but throwing off the phrasing by 16 beats and using a lot of fader slapping.

what i still haven't been able to catch onto is stuttering the songs. this is when you stop both records with your hands in between each beat for a quick second while flicking the fader. if you have your beats in order this will make your track seem to slow down a little and obviously sounds kinda choppy (which is really cool if done right)

anyone else have anything similar that they can or cannot do?

[breakfiend]

ive been playing a lot with an ineko effects pad rom alesis lately send the effect back into the middle channel using delay function and cutting the track then fading it back into the delay and stuff.

with just the two records though my favourite thing is simply playing one backwards and cutting between em at times, (tracks have gotta be minimal for good result though, rabbitweed is probably my favourite to mess with with because the simple moody bass and real long intro.

also making a four beat from a break.

[The Jezereck]

the infamous beat juggle comes to mind

[ras_cee]

http://www.web-goddess.org/img/blog/recordbowls.jpg

[Matt Sanborn]

2 records? What can you do with THREE of the same record...? :wink:

come see at the park party.

Section 8 vs Exit. (5 turntables, 2 mixers, 4 djs)

picture the the scratch perverts meet house music.

[Matt Sanborn]

But to answer the question, with 2 rekkids I can juggle, stutter (manual delay) , make em do a natural flange (of course), extend the break, etc.

what *cant* you do with 2 records.

I was a hip hop dj first so buying doubles is old hat for me, but not many edm jocks do it.

[2rip]

got any tips for doing manual delays? i can't seem to grab the hand technique for it. simply because i need just a little more education on them.

i pretty much started out like you but i didn't get on with juggling until 2002 and my routines were pretty minimal. i'd like to start hitting things full force again tho.

[DAVEILL1]

http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57253

or you could sell a copy on e-bay

2rip I sure you already know what can be done with 2 records why the post ?

[ras_cee]

the discount

[2rip]

i can do a shitload of things but there's definitely tricks that i have yet to master. overall i'm just trying to stimulate people's brains a bit. there's gotta be more people out there that are doing innovative shit with their records other than putting them on a platter and letting 'em spin.

i mean there's obviously more to it than simple juggles. and if people are juggling... what kinda routines are ya using?

[Matt Sanborn]

dude.

wrong messageboard im telling you.

there is like maybe me and logictheorist and Daveill (I think he spins hip hop so he may do stuff like that)

maybe a few more who say they can- but I havent seen anyone from round here doin stuff like it.

Exit guys can, and so can Joey Muniz as well.

[DAVEILL1]

I never got into doubles that much , could never afford it... All I do with them is , the flange , scratch in and out from each other. Delay one a 1/2 measure and double snap the snare and extend intrumentals (looping) nothing ground breaking

[DAVEILL1]

dude.

wrong messageboard im telling you.

there is like maybe me and logictheorist and Daveill (I think he spins hip hop so he may do stuff like that)

maybe a few more who say they can- but I havent seen anyone from round here doin stuff like it.

Exit guys can, and so can Joey Muniz as well.


So true , not that many turntablizm junkies on here . Tooth and the natural kamp some more but thats about it.

Is anyone on any turntablism message boards ? I'm on a couple hip hop ones but they don't talk about turntablism too much

[kirk]

But to answer the question, with 2 rekkids I can juggle, stutter (manual delay) , make em do a natural flange (of course), extend the break, etc.

what *cant* you do with 2 records.

I was a hip hop dj first so buying doubles is old hat for me, but not many edm jocks do it.


father my children plz....

[Matt Sanborn]

father my children plz....


Cool...I hear you got some good pussy.

[kirk]

Cool...I hear you got some good pussy.


fresh pink with the dope stink....

<3 :mattsanborn: <3

[The Logic Theorist]

First off:

www.undergroundhiphop.com

DJ Forum there is really good, it's my second home when I'm not on Buzz.

I also browse www.asisphonics.net on the reg.. BEST scratch/turntablism resource on the internet.

Second, when I get back online on my laptop, I'll forward you a link to a video breakdown of the stutter that you're trying to learn. I can do it, but not cleanly yet, and not in the middle of a set, I have to start with it. The page I have the link to also has 2 of the standard juggling patterns, the 1 2 pattern and one other, with good video and written in turntable notation. For me, I've found the BEST thing to learn from is the turntable notation, when it's written down like that I can start thinking in my head where my hands should be for each movement.

Some other things to try: Stutter with 2 different parts of the record, or even 2 different records. Remix the tune live, I have 2 copies of New Order's Bizzarre Love Triangle, and I use different instrumental parts to re-order the tune. Use the accapella if the tune has it, and just flange that, or scratch and rearrange the acc over the instrumental.

Possibilities are endless.

[empath]

why bother when you can just buy a mixer that does all the same shit?

[The Logic Theorist]

why bother when you can just buy a mixer that does all the same shit?

Please note that there is nothing you can do with 2 Trance records, except sell one of them. Or well, both of them if you have any taste in music.

:D

[Matt Sanborn]

Please note that there is nothing you can do with 2 Trance records, except sell one of them. Or well, both of them if you have any taste in music.

:D


a-f*ckin-men

:hifive:

lol

[DJ STEEVROCK]

a-f*ckin-men

:hifive:

lol

Thats what rookies say.

Its too badd that with all the technology in the world you guys are still messing with just two vinyls.

CDJs and the pioneer 909 are lethal and will do more tricks then just vinyl and hands will every do.

Step in to the Millennium rookies.

[The Logic Theorist]

Seriously though, there is plenty you can do with records that you can't do with a mixer/effects. You cannot beat juggle with the effects proccessor on a mixer, unless there's some new innovation I am not yet aware of.

[empath]

the sampler

[empath]

honestly, though--- I think records are over... I've decided i'm done with them. I'm going to start transitioning to CD and then pc when i can get a new laptop.

[RAMIRO]

honestly, though--- I think records are over... I've decided i'm done with them. I'm going to start transitioning to CD and then pc when i can get a new laptop.


you've been saying that for like 4-5 months now...


quick ya yapping and do it already!

[DJ STEEVROCK]

you've been saying that for like 4-5 months now...


quick ya yapping and do it already!

If that equipment wasnt like a gabillion dollars Im sure he would have all ready...

[RAMIRO]

i know :wink:

[The Logic Theorist]

the sampler

And someone with 2 turntables, a mixer, and a sampler has pushed that art far further than people who DJ with other types of equipment.

I forgot the name of the DJ that pioneered this, but he uses a sampler with foot pedal control and turntables, and creates beats, melodies, basslines, scratches, vocal loops, and so on with the turntables and samples them in live and makes entire songs with that equipment.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: The fact is that vinyl is an analouge medium, and there are things that the physical properties of records allow you to do that no digital medium will ever duplicate.

And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this thread was for the few of us that actually find joy in manipulating records to discuss different techniques and what we enjoy.

[RAMIRO]

Phil....


You're wrong..


hehehehe :D


i just wanted to say that ...
i have no idea really...




carry on!

[The Logic Theorist]

Phil....


You're wrong..


hehehehe :D


i just wanted to say that ...
i have no idea really...




carry on!

:dammit:

I'm wrong.

Diet Dr Pepper DOES taste more like regular Dr Pepper.

[2rip]

now this is what i'm talkin bout! haha.

now as far as other messageboards, im gonna have to peep out all that stuff you posted about phil. even on the turntablism messageboards i don't seem to get too many people talking about it. and to be honest i'm not interested in doing these tricks with rap... that's too oldskool. :) and i can understand that there's a lot you can do with CDs and all this jive ass equipment but it really boils down to who's got the skills. i think it's a little more entertaining to look up and see a dj actually doing SOMETHING as opposed to just clicking a button to give the desired effect.

[djdavidmichael]

Seriously though, there is plenty you can do with records that you can't do with a mixer/effects. You cannot beat juggle with the effects proccessor on a mixer, unless there's some new innovation I am not yet aware of.


Actually...on the pioneer 600 mixer you set the effect on delay....then put the timing to 1/2...then take the effect volume knob and turn it all the way to the left....then when you want to simulate a beat juggling effect just crank the know back and forth...it's actually cleaner then juggling.

[djdavidmichael]

I can scratch, transform, stutter, juggle, and all that...

another cool thing to do when you have 2 of the same records is playing them right on top of eachother at the same point in the record...this creates a cool flange\phase effect which you can use the eq to adjust.

[DAVEILL1]

Actually...on the pioneer 600 mixer you set the effect on delay....then put the timing to 1/2...then take the effect volume knob and turn it all the way to the left....then when you want to simulate a beat juggling effect just crank the know back and forth...it's actually cleaner then juggling.


As ealier mentioned it takes more skillz to juggle with vinyl and the origin of beat juggling is based on juggling beats with your hands not delaying digital signals by use of fingers

Turntablizm can be re-produced using expensive gear but then its not turntablizm anymore its programing FX

Its kinda like how a lighter starts a fire but its mad cool if you start a fire using your hands.

Its like learning a trade over going to a contractor

[DAVEILL1]

I can scratch, transform, stutter, juggle, and all that...

another cool thing to do when you have 2 of the same records is playing them right on top of eachother at the same point in the record...this creates a cool flange\phase effect which you can use the eq to adjust.

Hm already mentioned by everyone

[ras_cee]

You can balance them on you head

[kirk]

it takes more skillz to juggle with vinyl and the origin of beat juggling is based on juggling beats with your hands Turntablizm



and the breakbeat was born. (presampler era)

oh and the instrumental "breaks" between commercials on radio stations...

[Matt Sanborn]

As ealier mentioned it takes more skillz to juggle with vinyl and the origin of beat juggling is based on juggling beats with your hands not delaying digital signals by use of fingers

Turntablizm can be re-produced using expensive gear but then its not turntablizm anymore its programing FX

Its kinda like how a lighter starts a fire but its mad cool if you start a fire using your hands.

Its like learning a trade over going to a contractor


exactly

a delay effect does not equal beat juggling. its not the same.

Right now I am working intensely on my turntablism.

I can Orbit (2 click flare), and flare (original), but for some reason am not always hitting my single click flare. I am also having issues crabbing with my left hand.

so yeah....vinyl is where its at.

and DM- yeah, the flange, delay, echo, all those fancy effects you find on todays mixers all started by using 2 records and a fader. Using manual effects takes skills.....pushin that big button on the effects processor doesnt :wink:

[The Logic Theorist]

Actually...on the pioneer 600 mixer you set the effect on delay....then put the timing to 1/2...then take the effect volume knob and turn it all the way to the left....then when you want to simulate a beat juggling effect just crank the know back and forth...it's actually cleaner then juggling.

This sounds more like you're doing looping on the one and less like you're using the kick/snare/hat to create a new pattern. I'd have to hear it done with the fx to know if we're talking about the same thing though, your description doesn't really allow me to visualize it completely.

[blazinkikgurl]

You can balance them on you head

i was goin to say "play a 4 man game of frisbee"
i like urs better Ras cee

[Matt Sanborn]

he is talking about a 1/2 beat delay.

that is only one aspect of beat juggling. Juggling tracks can involve a multitude of different tricks, the half beat stutter is just one of them.

the delay effect is just that- an effect. Not a juggle.

[The Logic Theorist]

he is talking about a 1/2 beat delay.

that is only one aspect of beat juggling. Juggling tracks can involve a multitude of different tricks, the half beat stutter is just one of them.

the delay effect is just that- an effect. Not a juggle.

That was my point, but since I have never owned a Pioneer mixer nor used the FX on one, I didn't want to lay it out that flat until I knew what he was talking about.

[djdavidmichael]

I was just stating what you can do.
Like I said...I can scratch, juggle, and do most turntablism stuff....i don't do it alot anymore becaus eof the style of music that i play but I still like to fuck around every now and then...I never said not to learn the trade I just said what you can do if you can't.
Also...
Sorry...i didn't read every line of every post and didn't know the natural flange was stated already....jeezus

I can also scratch with my left nut while my asshole is on fire.

[Matt Sanborn]

calm down buttpipe :)

[djdavidmichael]

Yeah and matt....I'm pretty proficiant wioth the 600...I can reproduce alot of the sounds that i can make beat juggling with it and that's all i was saying. :)

I'm also really good at getting drunk as shit while I'm playing 2 records...

[djdavidmichael]

HAHAHA I'm calm... I'm calm... one of my pet peeves on a messageboard is when someone calls you out for repeating what someone already said...damn....sometimes this shit's like trying to read a book!

[The Logic Theorist]

I'm also really good at getting drunk as shit while I'm playing 2 records...

Amen.

I'm good at this too. I would go so far as to say I have it down to a science.

[Matt Sanborn]

HAHAHA I'm calm... I'm calm... one of my pet peeves on a messageboard is when someone calls you out for repeating what someone already said...damn....sometimes this shit's like trying to read a book!

keep up or keep out.

j/k :wink:

*penis whips DM*

(ps- i just hooked up my production studio this week, new gear, new desk...etc. get ready...)

[djdavidmichael]

Matt...how about this.
Get your ass on Aim and lets get a track done!
Edan always tells me he's gonna do this but he never gets online!!!
I'll hook up a beat and send it to you this weekend....Also...are you planning on hitting up sonar on sat? My best friend Camea is playing there and it's gonna be off the hooooooooooook...I'm playing at that afterhours joint on friday night @ 4:30 in the AM...so i'm gonna stick around and get up with her in the afternoon on sat.

[2rip]

so now the turntable wizards come out. this is what i like to see. Shure actually has a dope video out that goes through a lot of juggling kinda stuff... which would be pretty good to learn from... they just needed to break things down a little bit on it and i'd give it a 9 out of 10.

[DAVEILL1]

I can also scratch my left nut while my asshole is on fire.

That's the crab flare scratch :raveon:





Ive never watched any scratch video's. I'm self taught from watching Dj's and listening to a lot of scratch crew albums. I think I'd need to be taught in person to learn a lot of the creative beat juggling.


Not too many people have talked about making a 8 bar loop ( or harder a 4 bar ) and continuley playing say the hook of a hip hop track

[ras_cee]

i was goin to say "play a 4 man game of frisbee"
i like urs better Ras cee
:hifive:

[Matt Sanborn]

Not too many people have talked about making a 8 bar loop ( or harder a 4 bar ) and continuley playing say the hook of a hip hop track

As we speak I am playing 2 copies of "Good Times" and beatjugglin and scratchin like I was Grandmasta matt n stuff.

But yeah....try ol skool extending the break or the "needle drop" scratch and get a real appreciation for the ol skool masters

[ras_cee]

:haha: Goodtimes rules!!!

[Bioteknik]

As we speak I am playing 2 copies of "Good Times" and beatjugglin and scratchin like I was Grandmasta matt n stuff.

But yeah....try ol skool extending the break or the "needle drop" scratch and get a real appreciation for the ol skool masters

smalls did this on an old mix of his, the 50,000 watts of power sample played right before the song kicks back in

50 thousand
50 thousand
50
50
50 thousand watts
50 thousand watts
50 thousand watts of power

fuck doing that with fx

[Skroller]

juggling jungle beats is wonderful if done by the right hands.

[Dj a.m.p.]

smalls did this on an old mix of his, the 50,000 watts of power sample played right before the song kicks back in

50 thousand
50 thousand
50
50
50 thousand watts
50 thousand watts
50 thousand watts of power

fuck doing that with fx

Smalls is ill... I hadn't seen him in years till recently at kobe.

[deejayclutch]

1) Beat Juggling

2) Beat Extending

3) Beat Shortening

4) The "Hip Hop Trick" (A.K.A. Doubles, Tripples, Quadruples)

5) Any number of cuts and fades from one part of one into the other including brakeing, backspins, fades, etc.

6) Echo Effect

7) Reverb Effect

8) Scratching a sample of the record over the same record.

9) WHAT CAN'T YOU DO WITH DOUBLE RECORDS?


That is why Hip-Hop DJ's buy just about 100% double records, why Bad Boy Bill, Josh "The Funky 1", and even DJ Dan buy double records. There is so much you can do, and it makes DJing so much more FUN when you can mess around with shit.

-Camille