honestly most liquid is so fucking simplolisc.

[proximity]

LFO+classic hard jungle break+ wam rolling basssline. im justn kinda tired of the forumla. even tho its a blast to make these kind o ftracks!

edit : ahhh forgot your rhodes chords, gotta have rhodes chords

[darkenetiks]

man come on, if somebody attacked neuro/tech...you'd be all over them.

i'll leave this open, but everybody is being asked to play nice.

[insulin]

LFO+classic hard jungle break+ wam rolling basssline. im justn kinda tired of the forumla. even tho its a blast to make these kind o ftracks!

LFO + distorted kick and snare + distorted bassline = tech step :banana:

i don't even bother to try and catagorize music anymore there's just good and bad tunes simple as that but isn't complaining on a message board a waste of time?

[decoy]

LFO, like, the pop band LFO?

[BrianArsenault]

yay drunk & post.

[Shakey]

I produce Drum & Bass, Jungle, Breaks, and some Gabber. There's no need to follow a "Formula". I don't follow one, i go with what sounds good to me. :yes:

[proximity]

i really like liquid.. just an observation on the formula most the tracks considered liquid seem to follow. much neuro is very formulaic as well, but there are people that do things a little differentlly of course. yea i was drunk last nite, dont remember this one :not agaaain:

[BrianArsenault]

never, ever go near the computer when twisted. spend an hour on one email, only to finally send out two sentences after 100+ rewrites.

[decoy]

never, ever go near the computer when twisted. spend an hour on one email, only to finally send out two sentences after 100+ rewrites.

:haha:

I've totally done that too.

[daniella downs]

LFO, like, the pop band LFO?


i personally like girls that wear sluttier shit than abercrombie and fitch

[Thomas]

i personally like girls that wear sluttier shit than abercrombie and fitch

word up to slutty girls!

[RickyRicardo]

Liquid = Dancing Girls = Jiggle


what's the problem in that?

[proximity]

the problem is that its a misconception., you dont need to play soft music to get girls to dance and most chicks into dnb are offended by the fact that guys think you need to play liquid or cheesy tunes like shake ur body to get them to dance

[***Junglist***]

It's all about the groove...and whatever lets you move. If your feeling it, DANCE FUCKER, if not.....go get a beer (Newcastle or Sierra Nevada Pale Ale)......let the beat take you.
DOn't getr hung up in how it's done.......just go with it. You'll feel better in the morning.

[proximity]

i cant help but get hung up becasue i produce and think about things like lowpass filter resonance automation and if the sub is hitting at 55 or 60 hz .. its a curse ;(

[kirk]

if you dig deep you can find tracks worth playing in near every subgenre

[proximity]

if you dig deep you can find tracks worth playing in near every subgenre

indeed. but you must dig because the majority are very average or below :tarvis:

[kirk]

indeed. but you must dig because the majority are very average or below :tarvis:



too much of anything get s tedious.


except for nice ass n titties....

[***Junglist***]

hahaha......I have 2 new tunes that I am still trying to TWEAK out......I need a host so that people on the bopard can (FINALLY) hear my tunes.
I love Layering and editing breaks.....I wish I had the skill of a Paradox, Seba, D-Star or TRUST......they are disgusting with breaks.

[proximity]

ive been working on one 2 step break for 2 weeks. and it still pretty much sucks. lol ... so far ive layered about 20+ snares :bonk: and just have been eqing and messing around with funk percussion to layer on top .. i agree paradox is the almighty master noone can touch that dude

[proximity]

too much of anything get s tedious.


except for nice ass n titties....

i agree.

[RickyRicardo]

the problem is that its a misconception., you dont need to play soft music to get girls to dance and most chicks into dnb are offended by the fact that guys think you need to play liquid or cheesy tunes like shake ur body to get them to dance

True, but you also don't need 30 interwoven synths to do that either. In defense of music considered simplistic, sometimes all you need are the right vocals and melodies to make a track work.

Though the point w/ my original post is not that all girls like liquid (though, is it really a shock how many do?), it's that undeniably when there are females present on the dancefloor it lightens up the vibe TREMENDOUSLY, and relieves some of that suburbia-aggro that dnb in this area seems to carry with it. I think that kind of openness to a full spectrum of feelings is one of the things that has kept dnb from devouring itself in a cloud of unguided angst.

[proximity]

most junglettes i know like it hard + nasty. like most junglists i suppose.. if youre talking about women at a club who arent otherwise into dnb that wouldnt be into anything but liquid, let them go somewhere else i say. a good dj can play to his or her crowd and mix it up without playing a set of all so called "soulful music" (how presumptious) to make people dance. if you hate any flavor of dnb so much that you dont dance to it at all then you shouldnt be on a dancefloor listening to dnb music anyways.. go fuck off to an rnb night or something. i think many of my lady friends into jungle would agree.

[Hitoi]

I hate the term 'junglette'. It sounds too much like piglet.

And as far as liquid being simplolisc, well....everybody gets something different out of each style. I don't listen to/mix it because it makes me gyrate. I do because it fucking sounds good to me.

[proximity]

also about the 30 interwoven synths thing.. i agree minimal can be good, great in fact (kemal+rob data minimal rollers anyone?) .. but theres also such a thing as so minimal its just boring and throwaway.. works both ways.. its a fine line between a minimal track doing exactly what its supposed to and simply being boring .. all down to taste i guess

[proximity]

I hate the term 'junglette'. It sounds too much like piglet.

And as far as liquid being simplolisc, well....everybody gets something different out of each style. I don't listen to/mix it because it makes me gyrate. I do because it fucking sounds good to me.

i was at a loss for words sorry lol . im not saying all liquid is TOO simplistic of course, just that it seems like there is a formula that like every single liquid track that hits it big seems to use imo .. good discussion btw

[RickyRicardo]

all down to taste i guess

Exactly....so, thread over, right?

High five!

[proximity]

welll then why ever talk about any music, ever. its all down to taste but we can still discuss it right?

[djc[uscrew]]

i like very little liquid tunes but i try to respect all genres because the kind of dnb we make isnt that popular and i hope no one hates on us

;]

[proximity]

']i like very little liquid tunes but i try to respect all genres because the kind of dnb we make isnt that popular and i hope no one hates on us

;]

indeedy but beeing nitpicky is what makes being a dnb dj fun for me ! what fun is it if youre just agreeing with the "its all good in jungle" mentality where nothihng ever changes and noone can ever speak their mind. the reason i hang out here is mainly to get some good discussion going about dnb music in various ways.. positive/negative/the whole spectrum. there is a huge diff. between mindless hating and criticism that actually provokes thought :yes:

oh and i have nothing else to do when working on music. which is a lot. :crazyeyes:

[RickyRicardo]

Discussion is fine...i just think that it's important to keep generalizations like "most" out of the discourse, since you nor me, nor anyone else can speak for "most junglists" and what their tastes are, or that certain formula that "most" liquid tunes have. Ali is right tho, we all take away different things from what we hear, and I believe that alot of it is b/c we already pre-form alot of the expression we want to take out of the music before even listening to it. I like R&B and R&B sounds, and I like tunes about love, relationships, etc....and sometimes the beats express those emotions better than words could ever do justice. So i guess I'm already predisposed to listening to, and liking music that hits upon those things.

Some people actually liked that Dylan Korn Remix. Some people can't get enough clownstep. Some people can wobble forever....u see the point.

[proximity]

fair play, the generalizatoins were a poor choice of words i admit

[shade]

Some people actually liked that Dylan Korn Remix.

liar.

[kirk]

Discussion is fine...i just think that it's important to keep generalizations like "most" out of the discourse, since you nor me, nor anyone else can speak for "most junglists" and what their tastes are, or that certain formula that "most" liquid tunes have. Ali is right tho, we all take away different things from what we hear, and I believe that alot of it is b/c we already pre-form alot of the expression we want to take out of the music before even listening to it. I like R&B and R&B sounds, and I like tunes about love, relationships, etc....and sometimes the beats express those emotions better than words could ever do justice. So i guess I'm already predisposed to listening to, and liking music that hits upon those things.

Some people actually liked that Dylan Korn Remix. Some people can't get enough clownstep. Some people can wobble forever....u see the point.


PERRY COMOSTEP!!!!!

[ODJ]

....and sometimes the beats express those emotions better than words could ever do justice.

amen.... brother :)

[Liftedtrance]

i still cant find "simplolisc" in a dictionary :P

[decoy]

it's like "simplistic" but more liquidy.


or something.

[godfather sage]

liquid funk sucks
neurofunk sucks
drumfunk sucks
techstep sucks
hardstep sucks
clownstep sucks
intelligent sucks
atmospheric sucks

mf's need to go back to 1994 and start over - destroy and rebuild

[Spanish Fly]

Will someone then define Atmospheric for me?

[Signal]

ahem, atmospheric does not suck. :D

[darkenetiks]

no, atmospheric doesn't.

the return of darkenetiks to baltimore - 4.16.05 (tentative).

[Detrimental]

:evilred: Hard/Tech Step Amen smashers :bbjohnson:

[godfather sage]

ahem, atmospheric does not suck. :D

look at these guys takin it personal lol - knowing that i have a more thorough collection of atmospheric dnb than 90% of the dj's on this board

i know atmospheric doesnt suck, liquid doesnt suck, neurofunk and so on.... what does suck is people who jump on the bandwagon and make mediocre tunes in a given subgenre. if there wasnt so many producers addin their mediocre shit to the mix these days, we wouldnt need to have this discussion

[DJ-Heist]

:specialed: I'm a DJ , and I like rekids , DnB rekids :specialed: It makes you want to :assslap: that ass!!!!

lol....

[Signal]

as soon as a tune is confined to a subgenre, it loses its marketability by at least 50%. If someone writes a tune and its established as "liquid", then there are gonna be people that wont even give it a chance, mark it off as all sounding the same. Its up to the individual to keep their minds open, regardless of any label a tune carries with it. Im all about the shit that doesnt fit into these categories, that subverts definition, and cross pollinates.

[proximity]

atmospheric used to be cool back in the glory days of bukem, some of the drumfunk dudes and asc still do that kind of stuff alright.. but as someone on doa said the other day now 99% of it sounds like the smooth jazz bullshit you hear in bookstores and cofeeshops

[proximity]

as soon as a tune is confined to a subgenre, it loses its marketability by at least 50%. If someone writes a tune and its established as "liquid", then there are gonna be people that wont even give it a chance, mark it off as all sounding the same. Its up to the individual to keep their minds open, regardless of any label a tune carries with it. Im all about the shit that doesnt fit into these categories, that subverts definition, and cross pollinates.


yes. but many people stick to the cliche formulas that determine these subgenres IN ORDER to target only a specific market. for example, take the subject matter. if you make a tune with rhodes chords, lfo synths, diva vocals, a 2-step jungle break, and a warm rolling bassline the liquid djs are gonna pick it up and few others are goiing to pay much attention. thats just teh way it is

[godfather sage]

atmospheric used to be cool back in the glory days of bukem, some of the drumfunk dudes and asc still do that kind of stuff alright.. but as someone on doa said the other day now 99% of it sounds like the smooth jazz bullshit you hear in bookstores and cofeeshops

have you heard Klute's last two albums?

[proximity]

klute definitely doesnt make atmostpheric imo

[godfather sage]

klute definitely doesnt make atmostpheric imo


lol - how about this then:

Ambient Hell
Candy Ass
Chicks
Crosby
Don't Wanna Be Alone
Galaxian
Kickin The Habit
Leo 9
Make A Stand
Now, Always, Forever
Oshima
Problem Reaction
Saviour
Silently
Splendour
Stuck On You
Three Of Us
Traffico
Unwind Yourself

B. McCarthy - Get Down (Klute remix)
Kabuki & Savine - Intastate (Klute remix)
King Kooba - Brown Blood (Klute remix)
King Kooba - Koobesq (Klute remix)
Nautilus - Passport (Klute remix)


if these Klute tracks aren't atmospheric enough for you then i dont know what is :ponder:

[proximity]

just because a track has atmoshpere doesnt mean its atmosheric dnb. to me its also about the drums, bass, etc. and just the overall feel of the track. almost all of those tracks are waayyy too dancefloor to be classed as "intelligent" or "atmospheric" dnb

[proximity]

commercial suicide is a dancefloor dnb label, klute's said it himself

[godfather sage]

oh so i get it - your concept of 'atmospheric dnb' is dated by about 7 years. i guess every 'atmospheric' track has to sound like what Future Engineers were making in 1998. bleah

[proximity]

yea, pretty much. there are very few people making stuff that is based purely around atmosphere anymore.. even people like fanu add something else in with the crazy drum funk edits and what not.. it has simply evolved into other styles

[godfather sage]

if you cant see those klute tracks as the evolution of atmospheric dnb than you are not the sharpest pencil in the box my friend

[ODJ]

*yawn*

[proximity]

if you cant see those klute tracks as the evolution of atmospheric dnb than you are not the sharpest pencil in the box my friend

did you hear me say "evolve"? that can mean many things.. including merging with OTHER styles such as klute's dub/trance/crazy/whatever dancefloor sounds. klute is awesome and everything but when you compare him to people like bukem back in the day and whatnot i think its futile to say he makes purely atmospheric dnb

[ODJ]

or, to expand:

I've been reading this whole thread pretty carefully, and it sounds to me like you (proximity) are suffering from an overdose of drum and bass, hence all the recent animosity towards it, drunken rantings, etc.

My prescription for you is that you take a vacation, drink good beer, smoke good weed, have good sex, and otherwise preoccupy yourself completely for a minute, and then resume your previous activities.

[proximity]

or, to expand:

I've been reading this whole thread pretty carefully, and it sounds to me like you (proximity) are suffering from an overdose of drum and bass, hence all the recent animosity towards it, drunken rantings, etc.

My prescription for you is that you take a vacation, drink good beer, smoke good weed, have good sex, and otherwise preoccupy yourself completely for a minute, and then resume your previous activities.

bwahahahah point taken

[proximity]

or, to expand:

I've been reading this whole thread pretty carefully, and it sounds to me like you (proximity) are suffering from an overdose of drum and bass, hence all the recent animosity towards it, drunken rantings, etc.

My prescription for you is that you take a vacation, drink good beer, smoke good weed, have good sex, and otherwise preoccupy yourself completely for a minute, and then resume your previous activities.


but also lets not get mistaken here, theres no animostiy to dnb .. just things ive percieved as annonying within the music., but ishould really shut up now because this thread is shit and im tired of talking about it :breakdance:

[godfather sage]

bukem back in the day and whatnot i think its futile to say he makes purely atmospheric dnb

"bukem back in the day" played an array of stuff, from jazzy Flytronix style tunes to deep twisted amens from the likes of Paradox, Source Direct and Photek so i cant really see where you're going with this one

by the way i think i've had enough of this debate proximity, i gotta get up pretty early in the morning - nice one tho playa

[proximity]

"bukem back in the day" played an array of stuff, from jazzy Flytronix style tunes to deep twisted amens from the likes of Paradox, Source Direct and Photek so i cant really see where you're going with this one

by the way i think i've had enough of this debate proximity, i gotta get up pretty early in the morning - nice one tho playa

yea i know man. but he also helped create the whole modern atmospheric sound as well and made stuff that simply isnt like the stuff we hear today in terms of what its designed to do if you know what i mean, but yea im getting off here too and working on some music for a while
ez

[AsiaAsia]

I agree with proximity! as much as I love vocal tracks, I prefer to hear some hard, dark tunes

[proximity]

well liquid's alright, although i prefer the dark and tech styles also. its just the formula i was commenting on

[Cakes]

Blame the producers not the subgenere. What the hell is wrong with you people??

And please refrain from refencing DOA as a source of authority on anything not: FRESH, BAD COMPANY, NOISIA, SLUTS, PHOTOSHOP, SCARTY's VIRGINITY, ATTENTION WHORES

Also please refrain from calling it "INTELLIGENT" d&b. That is such a full of shit misnomer that I puke in my mouth a little bit any time someone references it as such. That was a media coined term which started the unfortunate rift between the deeper and harder styles which led to further fragmentation of what should have been a unified and growing scene around 1996-1997. Personally I hate calling it "ATMOSPHERIC" either for the obvious reasons expressed in this thread....the name itself generates misconceptions that it has to be soft and floaty. That's also bullshit when you look back at dark ominous percussive shit that was being dropped at Speed like Source Direct, Photek and Paradox. It's always just been regular old DRUM & BASS with a moody edge, whether it be epic and uplifting or dark and brooding.

[Liftedtrance]

OMG scarty's virginity lol
thats an interesting dude right there

[***Junglist***]

Nautilus - Passport (Klute remix)...:affection:

[***Junglist***]

another GEM from the One Klute.....

"Get it away"....:drool:

[PaulieWalnuts]

<--- just wants to hear drum and bass with more live instruments, like SS's "Marguerita." What a great song.

[proximity]

Blame the producers not the subgenere. What the hell is wrong with you people??

And please refrain from refencing DOA as a source of authority on anything not: FRESH, BAD COMPANY, NOISIA, SLUTS, PHOTOSHOP, SCARTY's VIRGINITY, ATTENTION WHORES

Also please refrain from calling it "INTELLIGENT" d&b. That is such a full of shit misnomer that I puke in my mouth a little bit any time someone references it as such. That was a media coined term which started the unfortunate rift between the deeper and harder styles which led to further fragmentation of what should have been a unified and growing scene around 1996-1997. Personally I hate calling it "ATMOSPHERIC" either for the obvious reasons expressed in this thread....the name itself generates misconceptions that it has to be soft and floaty. That's also bullshit when you look back at dark ominous percussive shit that was being dropped at Speed like Source Direct, Photek and Paradox. It's always just been regular old DRUM & BASS with a moody edge, whether it be epic and uplifting or dark and brooding.

oh lol .. i wasnt referencing it as authority on anything.. just found that quote by that guy about the coffeeshop music reference interesting

[RickyRicardo]

Also please refrain from calling it "INTELLIGENT" d&b. That is such a full of shit misnomer that I puke in my mouth a little bit any time someone references it as such. .

Wow...glad somebody said this. How can any type of music be considered "intelligent", really? It always sounded to me like another term that someone made up to beat others with their cutting edge musical superiority (kinda like how anytime someone appends "Nu" to the beginning of a genre name). It just reeks of pretentiousness....

[PaulieWalnuts]

Well, intelligence means structured thought.

So, really, all D&B is intelligent.

Except, maybe, some of of the Metal & Bass releases...OMG.

[quantum]

<--- just wants to hear drum and bass with more live instruments, like SS's "Marguerita." What a great song.



Im feeling a movement in DNB, a return to the raw, less formulaic (and thus more difficult to mix live) production.

Im working on developing some tracks with hardcore and punk artists to belnd genres. Check in the events section for the Punk N' Bass benefit. Using instrumentation with hardcore rythms. Think debaser and bong ra meet bad brains....mmmmm...

[Detrimental]

well liquid's alright, although i prefer the dark and tech styles also. its just the formula i was commenting on


AGREED!!!!!! me too me too me too me too!