TECHNICAL FREAKS - destruction ritual

[buzzboy]

picked this up last night too (when i got the new High contrast)

this cd is like a polar opposite of the High contrast cd...very dark and sinister . came with a bonus cd.

anyone else diggin this?

CD1 is not mixed ...cd2 is mixed by dylan and tech itch.... HOT!

http://www.juno.co.uk/products/161406-02.htm

[RickyRicardo]

i miss the old Dylan.....

[darkenetiks]

i miss the old dylan and the old tech itch.

[buzzboy]

but the cd is still great.

change is inevitable fellas....things get better with age....but we dont have to forget where they started.

[darkenetiks]

nooooooooooooooo no no no no NO my friend.


organized noise is NOT better than well composed music. you need to get your hands on tech itch's "diagnostics" CD and then tell me that what's on the one you feature here is better.

he was YEARS ahead of the game in 99 when he put that album out. people are just not starting to catch up.

[buzzboy]

"to each his own"

besides i mainly mean the first cd....which is a collectin of good tracks. cd2 is a lil leaning towards heavy metal....i still like it.

lemme get my hads on that disk im sure it is better. most of the original stuff is the best....gets watered down as it goes. i still have respekt for this disc and the two as artists and musical madmen.

bottom line: IM NOT GONNA LET YOU GUYS BRING ME DOWN FROM MY AUDIO HIGH!

[Hitoi]

ain't nothing gonna break my stride
nobody's gonna slow me down
oh no, I've got to keep on gwoovin.

[buzzboy]

ain't nothing gonna break my stride
nobody's gonna slow me down
oh no, I've got to keep on gwoovin.

<3

[RickyRicardo]

organized noise is NOT better than well composed music. you need to get your hands on tech itch's "diagnostics" CD and then tell me that what's on the one you feature here is better.


werd to that...

Killabites 2, even...

[RickyRicardo]

but the cd is still great.

change is inevitable fellas....things get better with age....but we dont have to forget where they started.

Bah, don't agree w/ that at all....especially in this case. If anything, age has left Dylan and Tech Itch w/ about a fraction of the orginality they had 5-7 years ago. It seems like most everything they put out now is both an excercise in testing the limits of distortion (w/ mixed results), and gimicky darkness (anybody can take some gloom and doom sample from a sci-fi film, turn up the bass and call it "dark", but truly dark tunes go much deeper than that).

What irks me most is that I KNOW they can make better tunes. These are guy's whose tunes made me wanna shit myself back in the day. Now, I'd rather shit myself than spend money on their records. I know that there's not going to be another "Reborn", "Crystal" or "Dominion"...but they shit they make now seem like giant steps backwards from all that. I mean, the whole point is to be constantly improving, innit?

[buzzboy]

well ...not to compare them to mainstream musicians...but in the beginning records are made for the sake of making good music and pushing your sound, but once you build a name for yourself ..people are buying your name, not your sound.

it starts in the club, as long as there are kids dancing to shit tunes , producers will continue to produce shit.

[buzzboy]

and i will say, that upon further listening to this cd im not as impressed with it, i barely had it 20 hours.

i was innitially floored to see something new by tech itch.

[RickyRicardo]

t starts in the club, as long as there are kids dancing to shit tunes , producers will continue to produce shit.

That's like the argument "as long as the public keeps watching reality shows, then they'll always be around". The inherent fallacy in that argument is that the public does not wholly shape the content that is being fed to them, and therefore accepts the crap that is being shoveled to them b/c there are no other alternatives

Same w/ this. The crowd isn't in there w/ the producers while they are making the tunes. It's not a 2-way process....and if all producers suddenly start making shit music, people will still dance, not because they like shit music, but b/c there aren't any other alternatives. Other sounds effectively get buried under a mountain of agents, shady distributors, and other factors that bring you the same 5 DJ's week after week playing the same 5 shitty tunes.

People will dance, regardless.....but the burden isn't on the crowd to change what the producers do. It's their responsibility to improve *themselves*

[Detrimental]

I fuckn LOVE this cd, it is permanent in the car! I didnt find not one single trak that wasnt totally sick! I agree with you 100% Buzzboy!!!! We also own the vinyl collection tech freaks....disasterous!

[Sinister]

5. MP3 WMA Cause 4 Concern - "Mind Killer"
6. MP3 WMA Technical Itch - "Hunterseeker"
7. MP3 WMA Loxy & BKey - "Battlescars"
9. MP3 WMA Kryptic Minds & Leon Switch - "Primary Objective"

Those are my favorite 4 off the album. they rock

i think not only do musicians change and progress over time, but sometimes they are just aiming for a certain sound that they can attain that they believe there is a niche for in the market.
I imagine both tech itech and dylan could make "tracks like they used to" and that they may even possibly be doing it but they aren't getting released b/c this harder, heavier shit is their current direction, and what a lot of the Dnb community comes to expect from them at this point.

[darkenetiks]

i can take the hard & heavy.... in small doses.

not every goddamn tune they make. it's all the same. AMENS AMENS BREAK EDITS AMENS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECE.

noise. musicality? what's that?

[Sinister]

That's like the argument "as long as the public keeps watching reality shows, then they'll always be around". The inherent fallacy in that argument is that the public does not wholly shape the content that is being fed to them, and therefore accepts the crap that is being shoveled to them b/c there are no other alternatives

Same w/ this. The crowd isn't in there w/ the producers while they are making the tunes. It's not a 2-way process....and if all producers suddenly start making shit music, people will still dance, not because they like shit music, but b/c there aren't any other alternatives. Other sounds effectively get buried under a mountain of agents, shady distributors, and other factors that bring you the same 5 DJ's week after week playing the same 5 shitty tunes.

People will dance, regardless.....but the burden isn't on the crowd to change what the producers do. It's their responsibility to improve *themselves*


i think there's lots of ways at looking at it though. if the djs didnt keep buying this style of dnb from these producers, the producers would likely stop producing it. if it doesnt sell, that sends the messge to them that
its time to change direction.
ultimately, yea, its up to the producer.
but when producing music is your job, i can see putting out stuff that you think will sell. hopefully this doesnt involve the complete and total removment of their heart and soul in the process, but often i'm sure thats the case, seeing as people need to pay the bills and are sometimes willing to compromise some integrity in the process.

but maybe in tech itch's and dylan's case (pure speculation here) the move to their current style was a natural progression. not a compromising of ideals, but a natural shift to other sounds. a progression to make more music that they like, that just doesnt happen to sound a lot like the shit they used to make.

i dont really know though, i can't get inside someone else's head.
i do know that the music that has moved me has changed over the years, and i sometimes like to see genres i enjoyed in the past, brought together now for a new interesting sound.
and that doesnt mean i've lost my integrity, it just means i'm interested in hearing new sounds that move me.

[Sinister]

i can take the hard & heavy.... in small doses.

not every goddamn tune they make. it's all the same. AMENS AMENS BREAK EDITS AMENS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECE.

noise. musicality? what's that?

well for me, when I spin a set, you'll probably only hear 1 (if any) of the tracks off this LP.
all of it together is too much. but as aggressive acentuation points i think these tracks do well in a set.


at first I was REALLY digging this, but as time went by, and my musical tastes evolved, I found that I still liked it, but not quite as much as i did before, and realized that I like it in moderation a lot more.

I like whats been coming out on Obscene a lot too.

[buzzboy]

That's like the argument "as long as the public keeps watching reality shows, then they'll always be around". The inherent fallacy in that argument is that the public does not wholly shape the content that is being fed to them, and therefore accepts the crap that is being shoveled to them b/c there are no other alternatives

Same w/ this. The crowd isn't in there w/ the producers while they are making the tunes. It's not a 2-way process....and if all producers suddenly start making shit music, people will still dance, not because they like shit music, but b/c there aren't any other alternatives. Other sounds effectively get buried under a mountain of agents, shady distributors, and other factors that bring you the same 5 DJ's week after week playing the same 5 shitty tunes.

People will dance, regardless.....but the burden isn't on the crowd to change what the producers do. It's their responsibility to improve *themselves*


personally i wont dance unless i like the music. and yeah it is a two-way street its just not as appairent...if people reacted to a particular sound in a negative way and not a single dj bought the records that were produced, i dont think the producer would produce songs of the same type...unless he was doing it for himself and not the masses.

[buzzboy]

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but maybe in tech itch's and dylan's case (pure speculation here) the move to their current style was a natural progression. not a compromising of ideals, but a natural shift to other sounds. a progression to make more music that they like, that just doesnt happen to sound a lot like the shit they used to make.

i dont really know though, i can't get inside someone else's head.
i do know that the music that has moved me has changed over the years, and i sometimes like to see genres i enjoyed in the past, brought together now for a new interesting sound.
and that doesnt mean i've lost my integrity, it just means i'm interested in hearing new sounds that move me.


most musicians develope their sound overtime...they are not born with it....

i mean they are using the same equipment and resources available to anyone...it takes time to make your sound unique. That being said...the people that like the "old dylan & tech itch" how do you know that was what they wanted to sound like.... its possible they didnt mean to be there at that time *shrug*

[Detrimental]

Oh hell with it, im gonna say it....I personally LOVE the darkest nastiest noisest dnb that there is! I call it "Bing Bang and Boom" Clankity Clankity Bing bang booooom! I think that tech itch is getting better in time, the older he gets, the harder he gets and the more and more i bow down to him! He rolls out the sickness that i feel in my soul. Personally, i can listen to the nasty all day long. I come from the metal days in my earlier years, so i have found the same feeling that i get from the AMEN SMASHERS as i did then. And, dancing, well shit, no prob there to the bing bang boom.

[Detrimental]

Props to you buzzboy,

"most musicians develope their sound overtime...they are not born with it....

i mean they are using the same equipment and resources available to anyone...it takes time to make your sound unique. That being said...the people that like the "old dylan & tech itch" how do you know that was what they wanted to sound like.... its possible they didnt mean to be there at that time *shrug*"


Agreed....

[RickyRicardo]

I imagine both tech itech and dylan could make "tracks like they used to" and that they may even possibly be doing it but they aren't getting released b/c this harder, heavier shit is their current direction, and what a lot of the Dnb community comes to expect from them at this point.

I guess that is where my issue is, then. When listening to dnb, I like my expectations to be challenged....not met. Meeting expectations is what pop music is for.

If every dnb producer started producing to our collective expectations, the scene would be in a sad state indeed...

[buzzboy]

i believe it was in a slump for a lil while ...but (at least to me) seems to be coming back full circle.

[shade]

some people still like it.

it is way too easy to write off the shit they make these days as 'noise' without paying any attention to anything that's actually going on. what's the latest tech itch tune you actually KNOW? i mean know its name, and actually know the tune? and dylan? yeah okay its heavy, yeah okay its complex, yeah okay its too much for most people.

but that doesnt mean that theyre not still pushing boundaries and that they have fallen into some kind of artistic vacuum. tech itch today is making drums like i could never dream of. the last dylan tune i bought, name escaping me atm, uses all samples that he used back in 98, 99, etc, and sounds unlike anything he's ever done before. imo, pulling off a feat like that is just as impressive as using completely new material.

yeah their shit is a lot different now than it used to be.. no one's going to argue that. but i think a lot of the accusations they get are pretty ridiculous. people change and people do new shit and if YOU dont like it, thats really not a very big deal at all. i dont go out to the club to listen to music because chicks dig it, or because lots of other people get down to the same shit, i go out for me and me only. if i hear shit i like im going to move, and if im the only one on the floor, fuck it - so be it. music is for me. period. nothing else matters.

i know im in the minority these days when it comes to tech itch and dylan so im not going to push this argument any farther.. ive said my piece on it.

[darkenetiks]

shit, you know me better than that. why do you think i don't speak to people when i'm listening to a DJ i like? what they're playing is the reason i'm there.

i don't like what i like because other people do, i like what i like because it moves me...just like the heavy shit moves you. like i always say, it's called dance music for a reason...if it doubles as something w/depth & i feel i can identify on a personal level, double word score.

i listen to it because it makes me wanna get down, and at that point it becomes personal preference. there's really no right or wrong w/this... whatever tweaks your nipples is what it comes down to.

[RickyRicardo]

personally i wont dance unless i like the music. and yeah it is a two-way street its just not as appairent...if people reacted to a particular sound in a negative way and not a single dj bought the records that were produced, i dont think the producer would produce songs of the same type...unless he was doing it for himself and not the masses.

I feel that the evolution of a genre or certain sound is rooted in something much more complex than what people dance to. Some people (perhaps not you personally) would dance to bodily noises and a 4/4 kickdrum if the setting is right. The chaos of a club/rave atmosphere has a number of factors that contribute to why people dance, least of which is the particular song being played.

There are other factors that go into how a sound develops and matures. Though, if the producer is essentially a mirror reflecting the will of the dancefloor, then we'd probably all still be listening to disco. Obviously there are greater factors at work here other than merely what people will dance to.

[RickyRicardo]

but that doesnt mean that theyre not still pushing boundaries and that they have fallen into some kind of artistic vacuum. tech itch today is making drums like i could never dream of. the last dylan tune i bought, name escaping me atm, uses all samples that he used back in 98, 99, etc, and sounds unlike anything he's ever done before. imo, pulling off a feat like that is just as impressive as using completely new material.

Werd. I'm definitly not arguing whether or not they are being "innovative" anymore. That just spawns subjective grey areas that no one will be able to agree on. We all like what we like for our own reasons.

I just don't accept the argument that their "innovation" hinges on the being the popular sound or being dancable, b/c (stealing one of your examples), if we follow that logic, then Britney Spears would be the fucking end all, be all of artisitic innovation.

[buzzboy]

I feel that the evolution of a genre or certain sound is rooted in something much more complex than what people dance to. Some people (perhaps not you personally) would dance to bodily noises and a 4/4 kickdrum if the setting is right. The chaos of a club/rave atmosphere has a number of factors that contribute to why people dance, least of which is the particular song being played.

There are other factors that go into how a sound develops and matures. Though, if the producer is essentially a mirror reflecting the will of the dancefloor, then we'd probably all still be listening to disco. Obviously there are greater factors at work here other than merely what people will dance to.

see while i agree with most of this post i disagree that we would still be listening to disco music. Change is always constant and things perpetually evolving. The music scene we happen to be seems to be like any other music scene.

Sorta like a reverberating sound; a signal goes out, the receiver absorbs it and kicks it and a lil bit from its surroundings back to the original source making the original source still the same source but alil stronger...continue a few more times like billions, and you have the progression of musical appreciation over time.

[Quannum Logic]

"most musicians develope their sound overtime...they are not born with it....


Agreed....

Exept for Tiesto...he sucked before they cut his umbilical cord.

[buzzboy]

Exept for Tiesto...he sucked before they cut his umbilical cord.

does he produce? i honestly have no clue.

[decoy]

well, I'd like to hear this CD. It has a mix of ruff rugged nd raw on it, it can't be that bad.

[buzzboy]

wtf?

.... its HOT.


dammit.

[MURAMASA]

Good points made all around... I think in this scenario, the 'new styles' that TI & Dylan have taken for some of you can be compared to any other kind of music you don't like - i.e., it all sounds the same because you don't like it. For instance - I can't stand most kinds of pop music, and honestly I think it all sounds like crap, sounds the same, etc... but the truth is that if you never get into it, you're never going to really grasp the artistic direction that's being conveyed and won't be able to see what sets one song within the genre apart from another.

Just my $.02.:cheers:

[BrianArsenault]

... I think in this scenario, the 'new styles' that TI & Dylan have taken for some of you can be compared to any other kind of music you don't like - i.e., it all sounds the same because you don't like it.


exactly.


i agree that tech itch and dylan seem to have reached a bit too far into the heavy metal d&b in the past couple of years, but they still do good stuff. i love me some crazy amen drum edits and fills.

[proximity]

i def wouldnt buy the vinyl just for battlescars, havent heard the paradox track but im still not gonna buy an lp for 1 or 2 tracks.

[Detrimental]

I honestly love the whole lp, i swear i didnt find a single track that wasnt smokin'!

[proximity]

yea its not bad at all for that style.. im just really picky nowadays and the whole wall of noise thing has to be done to perfection for me to buy the track. just not my style i guess.. i love a good amen smasher but not a whole album full

[buzzboy]

i def wouldnt buy the vinyl just for battlescars, havent heard the paradox track but im still not gonna buy an lp for 1 or 2 tracks.

of all the tracks on there i'd say the paradox track is one of the top 3 along with Tehc itch - dark heart, and Dylan & Bkey - slave to life.