Vinyl is doomed

[elad]

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Vinyl Farewell

It looks as though audiophiles may have to resign themselves to the fact that in a few years time there will be only the chance to fondly re-live the good old days of nostalgia, rather than experience the new. Vinyl, the medium that took over from Shellac, Bakelite and even earlier the wax pressing, has had its final play – well, almost. The year 2009, looks set to be the final turn in the long standing vinyl revolution.

A June 2003 press release from The Institute of Chemical Engineering, advised that key by- products of the current petroleum refining process would no longer be generated by 2009, due to deadlines agreed, in principle, with the chemical industry back in 1992. These deadlines were however, only finalised in 1999, in the face of increasing environmental concerns and lobbying.

The IoCE went on to advise that a voluntary co-funded research and development program to seek a green alternative, possibly a polycarbonate based compound had been proposed in the 1999 summary. However no members of the industry wide syndicate had been able to substantiate a sufficiently high market demand for a replacement for the petroleum by-product, which is the primary base for vinyl record albums.

Whilst concluding that the news marked “The end of an era for vinyl”, a spokesperson of music retailing giants Tower Records advised that with sales of collective vinyl products accounted for less than a third of a percent (0.28%) of their total music sales World-wide in the last accounting period. “Hardest hit will be the few remaining traditionalist vinyl Disc Jockeys” Tower Records confirmed.

Tower replied positively when asked if this early warning would mean a silence in the thousands of DJ booths and radio stations around the world. “For some, existing skills will need to be adapted for use with the rapidly advancing Compact Disc DJ equipment” continued Towers spokesperson., “it promises to be a very exciting transition as older techniques are retained and used alongside the plethora of new features that CD technology already offers todays forward thinking DJ’s and turntablists”. Towers spokesperson added “It is unlikely that we will continue to carry vinyl into 2009. We believe the needs of the DJ will be totally digital, in one medium or another, prior to the cessation date.”“

Radio stations and other areas of the broadcasting community are unlikely to be affected by this early warning of environmental issues validating the need for minor lifestyle changes either,. since almost a of the music played in a modern broadcast scenario is primarily CD, or from Digital archives owned under licence by the larger radio stations

[the sex molesters]

so basically i should save all this viny for like 20 years when it'll be worth a shitload of money.

[xpierence]

basically yeah

[elad]

maybe soon enough records will get recycled like soda cans :shrug:

[djane]

who cares...the way the world is going the human race won't be in existence in 2009

LOL

[the sex molesters]

maybe soon enough records will get recycled like soda cans :shrug:

not a bad idea.

[uberclkgtr]

vinyl in 2009 = black gold, texas tea

[psion's gate]

whateva...

[missmurrr]

great! more bedroom dj's spinning their cds. *sigh*

[zartan]

fuck cds. sorry had to say it.

[Sylkey]

That's some shit....

[AmandaHuie]

who cares...the way the world is going the human race won't be in existence in 2009

LOL

2012

[zartan]

i'm sure some chemist can come up with a usable substitute.

[The Logic Theorist]

These threads are getting more ubiquitous than "The Scene is Dead" threads.

[Liftedtrance]

zartan on point in this thread.

fuck cds!

lol thats just a peronsal opinion as far as Djing goes for me tho.

and maybe i'm being dense but i think the idea that vinyl is going to be extinct in 4 years b/c they won't be able to make it anymore is a joke.

[djliquidice]

i'm sure some chemist can come up with a usable substitute.

yep. soy.

[RAMIRO]

now im not all that schooled in properties of certain substances...

but could regular plastic be used as a substitute...?

:shrug: or are there certain physical properties of vinyl that make it the one and only medium besides going digital..?

[the sex molesters]

i'm pretty sure i've got a record or two that isn't made with actual vinyl.

[uberclkgtr]

they've got to come up with a substitute. i mean, how are they gonna make vinyl trousers in 2009? :ponder:

[dj_peake]

vinyl sidding for houses too. vinyl will never die !!!!!!!

[obsol33t]

i call bullshit

[The Logic Theorist]

soy.

lent green?

Records are people!

[DigDog]

the first thing that popped into my mind after reading it was "wtf is up with that avatar?" do i laugh or should i be afraid of it?
at any rate that makes me sad because i have some awesome stuff i'd never find on cd. guess i better record it in the next 4 years before it warps and my turntables become instantly and useless.

[method]

could regular plastic be used as a substitute...?

vinyl is a kind of plastic, similar to PVC used in plumbing. polyethylene/polypropylene ('regular' plastic, like in baggies & milkjugs) is too soft, and the needle would eat up the record way faster.

it seems to me like there's two material properies you need to make a good record:

1. the needle can't scratch the record very much
2. the material has to be very rigid to produce 'true' sound


i'm sure some chemist can come up with a usable substitute.

a ceramic would be best; you could do it with a wide range of materials - it is just a matter of whether or not the record-pressing industry sees fit to replace all their process equipment: $,$,$,$...

[Bioteknik]

dammit I'm trying to remember all the ingredients we used in organic chemistry lab..

I'm thinking this might be BS

[Zimma]

I've heard about this before... I would think ceramic records would be too heavy and fragile. I would think harder plastics would work though.

edit:That's an awful lot of 'would' for 2 sentences.

[RichEdward]

im calling double-shit on this cd thang.

vinyl will thrive on.

[djliquidice]

lent green?

Records are people!


i was watching something on the discovery channel on how they're looking to use soy as a replacement for a shit load of petrolium based plastics.

[Echelon]

I was going to start a topic about this subject but I had no idea about what was posted in the beginning about vinyl being discontinued in 2009 that's even a step further. Check out Sasha & Digweed here in these pics. Every single thing both of them are spinning is CD's, the Turntables aren't even turned on and Sasha is using them as nice placeholders for his cigarettes.

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[Elektronkind]

I was going to start a topic about this subject but I had no idea about what was posted in the beginning about vinyl being discontinued in 2009 that's even a step further. Check out Sasha & Digweed here in these pics. Every single thing both of them are spinning is CD's, the Turntables aren't even turned on and Sasha is using them as nice placeholders for his cigarettes.

NICE.

The polycarbonate revolution.

I've been spinning CDs for almost 5 years now. I spun vinyl before that when I started DJing for a year. I looked at the transition then as just learning how to use a new tool (CD decks). I guess I had an "advantage" in that respect since I hadn't been married to vinyl for long and thus hadn't cemented a empathic link to the stuff when I switched to CDs.

Still, though, I can understand a person's feeling for vinyl if that's all they've used for years and years. But, times change and perhaps it's time to try something new?

/dale

[2rip]

to be economical i've been thinking about using cd's (not entirely). i'm sure there will still be a market for vinyl somehow but then again... who knows. it's definitely more expensive since the cost of a record includes all sorts of distribution (logistics are expensive) while anything on CD can be transferred for free over the intrawebnetgooglemachine.

[Shakey]

NICE.

The polycarbonate revolution.

I've been spinning CDs for almost 5 years now. I spun vinyl before that when I started DJing for a year. I looked at the transition then as just learning how to use a new tool (CD decks). I guess I had an "advantage" in that respect since I hadn't been married to vinyl for long and thus hadn't cemented a empathic link to the stuff when I switched to CDs.

Still, though, I can understand a person's feeling for vinyl if that's all they've used for years and years. But, times change and perhaps it's time to try something new?

/dale
:werd:

[Bioteknik]

just think about all of the plastics and shit that use pvc(one of the main components in records) pva is also used in latex paint.. let's not forget about all the plastic(vinyl) siding, flooring, blinds, glue...

they haven't started incorporating other copolymers? they've got a limited amount of time before they go broke then.


this is bullshit... vinyl uses natural gas as the "petroleum byproduct" that is cracked with chlorine, then done again.. this can then be polymerized to pvc. wouldn't shock me if pvacetate was made in a similar method.

[method]

i'm guessing the problem they're having is that some new petrol refining process is no longer going to produce vinyl acetate - an undesirable byproduct from the perspective of fuel manufacturers because it is already partially oxidized, and so doesn't have much energy to give off when burned.

making vinyl acetate from acetylene and acetic acid would probably be a real bitch since those two compounds don't like to be in the same phase at the same T&P, unlike ethylene and cl2, which are both gases. if you pressurized/cooled the reactor to liquefy the acetylene, the acid would freeze. if you were to conduct the rxn with vaporized acetic acid, you would likely have to do so in a deoxygenated reactor to prevent the acetylene from burning. i think this all sounds way too expensive for an industry that is used to buying it's feedstock from the byproducts of another.

it sounds like it would be easier to replace the etching equipment and make the record surface out of silica glass, which would probably give you excellent durability and sound quality. thin glass films, like fiber-optic cable, are actually very flexible and would probably be pretty hard to break.

[deejayclutch]

Records aren't going anywhere................It may not be Vinyl anymore, but there will be records............. Nostradamus (sp?) says so............

[Liftedtrance]

I've seen this stuff about vinyl not being made past 2009 in various places, but still had a feeling its bullshit. and i think i was right.
i havent seen much that debunks that idea, but i did just find a couple of things, which i will post below. they arent the most "official sources" but they seem to make good points regardless.


http://www.techhouselist.org/archive/3800/3858.html

Hello Vinyl!
From: White, Jason
Date: Jan 29, 2005 00:36 GMT


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Ok after about 2 hrs of plugging around the net while nursing my
hangover with one of Asad's sets that he was kind enough to supply, I
have come to the conclusion that this story is total Camel Poo. I
searched several chemical engineering sites, vinyl.org, it's affiliates
and several newsgroups and the only mention of this is in the
originating story* and a few places it has been reposted. The author of
this tale, only known as Jynxx, has also recently published such
groundbreaking stories as "Suge Knight Implicated In Dr. Dre Assault",
"Grammys Fit for a Queen (Latifah)" and of course "50 Cent's Massacre
Continues: Jadakiss Targeted". I don't know exactly where this guy gets
his facts but I did a rumor on the sites message board that he was born
and raised in Bullshittersville, GA although he will never admit to it
and still claims to be from "Brooklyn Y'all" to this day.

So get out there and get down tonight without any sappy thoughts
that you are living in the end of an era. Then tomorrow when you are
too hung-over to get anything productive done, grab one of those
craptastic records you bought when you were high and then never played
again. Then turn your stove on and melt it into a flower pot** and
plant some "hemp" in there so as it flourishes it will serve as a
constant reminder to never go record shopping when you are high, which
in fact you will still be doing in 2009 and beyond. =)

Peace out Y'all

Jason

http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20050124/002150.html

Whata curious lot of bunkum. There isn't a 2009 deadline, or a 2003
press release, or even an "Institute of Chemical Engineering"--the
American Institute of Chmeical Engineers has nothing about vinyl
production on its website. And that's no surprise. Making polyvinyl
chloride isn't that difficult--one uses steam cracking, orne of the
basic techniques in refining to get ethylene, Adding chlorine gas with
hydrochloric acid as a catalyst yields vinyl chloride, which is fairly
nasty stuff, but much less nasty once it's polymerized. Producing
ethylene is perhaps the least harmful thing that the petroleum industry
does. And ethylene is the only "petroleum by-product" involved. But
even if there were no petroleum left, you can get ethylene from rotting
fruit--it's that easy to make.

But even if PVC production were to fall to Bakelite levels, the
recording industry would care much less than the construction industry,
which relies on PVC for drain pipes and other uses.

--tim francis-wright

[Bioteknik]

like I was saying.. no more vinyl siding, vinyl plumbing etc... it's bullshit.

[Liftedtrance]

indeed. i think a lot of people believe its true though.

[elad]

:bangnana:

[DaleS]

Vinyl plumbing?

[djliquidice]

Vinyl plumbing?


PVC?

[Matt Sanborn]

Either way- fuck whatcha heard....aint nothing wrong with CD's at all. Just cuz you are not used to them doesnt mean you shouldnt adapt to new technology. I spin 95% with vinyl mind you- but a CDR and a high quality cd turntable is just as good as vinyl. You should always be open to new technology. Dont get me wrong- I love records more than some people can imagine. But no way in hell will I turn my back on such an important piece of technology as the CD.

[Bioteknik]

playing cds will shrink yer cack.

[BrianArsenault]

Vinyl plumbing?


look under your bathroom sink.

[apple]

i don't know if there's truth to it or not, but regardless of the hippie environmental ish vinly will most likely die anyway. the universal plant closed this year, which pressed most of the vinyl in the u.s. if the biggest u.s. plant closes, u can bet the others aren't far behind.

[spiggums]

Either way- fuck whatcha heard....aint nothing wrong with CD's at all. Just cuz you are not used to them doesnt mean you shouldnt adapt to new technology. I spin 95% with vinyl mind you- but a CDR and a high quality cd turntable is just as good as vinyl. You should always be open to new technology. Dont get me wrong- I love records more than some people can imagine. But no way in hell will I turn my back on such an important piece of technology as the CD.

word is bond...

or some equally gay way of saying "what he said"

[Bioteknik]

95% of the vinyl I buy isn't pressed in the US. Even the domestic releases I buy these days are pressed overseas.

[empath]

fuck cds. sorry had to say it.
right! Fuck CDs!

They're so 90s.

Pure digital is the new hotness.

[Jay Selway]

I made the switch from vinyl to CDs about 2 years ago.

I'd never go back.

Psytrance however is different than most genres. I'd say 90% of the psytrance that is released only comes out on CD, with vinyl releases following months later, and only for extremely commercial / successful tracks. Since I work with a record label, its so much easier to take the songs that are uploaded to our FTP and burn them to a CD. That way I can have new music quickly, but also have gobs of unreleased stuff that either won't be out for months - or won't be out ever.

I also find CDJ 1000s incredibly easy to mix on. Unless a 1200 is cared for properly, you can get extremly shakey gear.

Embrace the new technology! It's a good thing!

That being said, I would sooner chop of an arm than give up my massive vinyl collection! Something you can't beat about the warmth of a good vinyl pressing.

[DaleS]

look under your bathroom sink.

Sorry, copper.

[Transmattic]

this is going to completely fuck all turntablist competitions, I don't know if I could watch a DMC tournament with a bunch of guys scratching cds.

[Jay Selway]

Actually - I've seen some pretty sick shit done on CD decks.

[BrianArsenault]

i wonder if people got this upset over the demise of 8-tracks... :hmm:

[spiggums]

i wonder if people got this upset over the demise of 8-tracks... :hmm:

not exactly the same thing...

although I'm sure there were some people mourning the death of it for nostalgia's sake... but 8-tracks didn't really have the same impact on an artistic culture the way the vinyl vs cd debate does..

[Elektronkind]

i wonder if people got this upset over the demise of 8-tracks... :hmm:

8-track isn't dead!

http://www.8trackheaven.com/longlive.html

/dale

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damn...they are getting fat...

[BrianH]

long live CDJs!