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empath
2005-01-24, 02:23 PM
Central banks shift reserves away from US
By Chris Giles
Published: January 24 2005 00:03 | Last updated: January 24 2005 00:03

Central banks are shifting reserves away from the US and towards the eurozone in a move that looks set to deepen the Bush administration's difficulties in financing its ballooning current account deficit.

In actions likely to undermine the dollar's value on currency markets, 70 per cent of central bank reserve managers said they had increased their exposure to the euro over the past two years. The majority thought eurozone money and debt markets were as attractive a destination for investment as the US.

The findings emerge from a survey of central bank reserve managers published today and conducted between September and December of last year. About 65 central banks, controlling assets worth $1,700bn, took part and the results showed a marked change in attitude over the past two years.

Any rebalancing of central bank reserve portfolios has serious implications for the global financial system as the US has become increasingly dependent on official flows of funds to finance its current account deficit, estimated at $650bn in 2004.

At the end of 2003, central banks held 70 per cent of their official reserves in dollar- denominated assets and central bank purchases of US securities had financed more than 80 per cent of the the US current account deficit in 2003.

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Any reluctance to increase exposure to dollar assets further could cause the greenback to plunge on currency markets.

"The US cannot take support for the dollar for granted," said Nick Carver, one of the authors of the study conducted by Central Banking Publications, a company that specialises in reporting on central banks.

"Central banks' enthusiasm for the dollar seem to be cooling off."

In a further worrying sign for the greenback, 47 per cent of reserve managers surveyed said they expected the growth of official reserves to slow to less than 20 per cent over the next four years. Between the end of 2000 and mid-2004, official reserves had increased by 66 per cent.

Slower reserve accumulation growth implies the supply of official finance is likely to become more limited but few expect the demand from the US for finance to slow. The consensus among economists is that the US current account deficit will increase to $694bn in 2005.

More than 90 per cent of central bank reserve managers said that the income from reserve management was "important" or "very important".

In the two years since a similar survey was conducted, reserve managers had begun to seek higher returns for the money under management.

For these managers, dollar assets have become less attractive because the fall in the dollar since 2002 has reduced the yield they received and, in some cases, has led to negative real returns.

Alan Greenspan, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, warned in November that there was a limit to the willingness of foreign governments to finance the US current account deficit.

The survey was conducted on the guarantee of anonymity for the banks involved. The 65 central banks that participated control 45 per cent of global official reserves. Individually, they had up to $250bn under management.

empath
2005-01-24, 02:24 PM
The beautiful thing about this is that if you're in debt, it's likely to be wiped out by hyper inflation as the government prints money to pay of it's debt.

But hauling around wheelbarrows full of cash to buy a loaf of bread isn't going to be too fun...

Neptune
2005-01-24, 03:00 PM
yea my father (who lives in switzerland) was explaining to me the other day that if i had transfered my savings from USD to swissfrancs two years ago and cashed them back out now, i would have doubled my money. inflations a bitch, and i think it's only gonna get worse....

Shakey
2005-01-24, 03:05 PM
damn.....so im going to need a truckload of $ to buy a gallon of milk. no thank you. we should forsake the u.s. dollar and go to the bartering system.

nietzsche
2005-01-24, 04:49 PM
shouldn't all you guys who complain about outsourcing be supporting a weak dollar? one of it's consequences is that American products are cheaper? which is it? Do you want cheap clothes from China or to protect jobs in American textlie industries?

uberclkgtr
2005-01-24, 05:01 PM
i want to buy cheap records from the UK. :crying:

nietzsche
2005-01-24, 05:03 PM
damn.....so im going to need a truckload of $ to buy a gallon of milk. no thank you. we should forsake the u.s. dollar and go to the bartering system.


as long as it's a domestic product, you won't need a boatload of anything. a dollar is a dollar is a dollar. With all the ridiculous farm subsidies, we better not be importing milk.

nietzsche
2005-01-24, 05:06 PM
i want to buy cheap records from the UK. :crying:

Yoshitoshi? Subliminal? umm....Bueller?

empath
2005-01-24, 05:11 PM
The problem with a falling dollar is that we are running massive deficits.

Who is going to invest money in American debt when the dollar is falling?

That's a genius idea-- I'll loan uncle sam $1000 and get paid back $1100 that is worth $750 by the time I get it back.

If we weren't running a record deficit, this would be fantastic for american jobs..

Agent Sunshine
2005-01-24, 05:16 PM
Yoshitoshi? Subliminal? umm....Bueller?

Bueller would be a good label name. Unfortunately some genres aren't as well represented by US labels. On the other hand, I don't spin anymore so I don't care.

Anyway, Empath hit it on the head, we're setting ourselves up for a bad situation.

I worked on an Italian film earlier this month, and it was interesting to see the Italians reacting to our shopping malls like they were in a third world country. I had to get them all new luggage to take back all their junk with them. There is certainly a potential upside to a falling dollar, but because of our debt and because the Yuan is pegged to the dollar, I don't think we're going to see as many benefits as we are problems.

Tigger
2005-01-24, 05:19 PM
there are no benefits when your money is worth less.

empath
2005-01-24, 05:30 PM
In 2003, the most recent year with full international statistics, central banks financed 83 per cent of the US current account deficit, with Asian central banks accounting for 86 per cent of flows.

A similar picture is emerging for 2004. Despite a good start to the year, when the private sector was a large net purchaser of dollar assets, central banks came to the rescue again. The People's Bank of China has let it be known that China increased dollar reserves by $207bn (€159bn) in 2004, financing nearly a third of the US current account deficit, estimated at $650bn.

This is what happens when your currency is essentially worthless.

China owns us now, and it's getting worse.

nietzsche
2005-01-24, 05:33 PM
There is only a problem if the world thinks that the entire American economy is going to crash. It's a odd leap of logic for foreign coutries to continue investing in emerging markets (particularly those in Latin America, rife with corruption and defaulted loans) and then express serious concern over America's falling dollar.

empath
2005-01-24, 05:40 PM
They're moving out of the dollar into the euro, not into south america.

nietzsche
2005-01-24, 05:46 PM
They're moving out of the dollar into the euro, not into south america.

The two most significant economic powers in the next 20 years, other than the US, will be India and China. Where is their money going? Asia and South America.

empath
2005-01-24, 05:50 PM
Actually, as I just said, China is buying dollars.

zartan
2005-01-24, 06:30 PM
so brian you don't think this is a serious problem?

NYGblue
2005-01-24, 10:42 PM
There is only a problem if the world thinks that the entire American economy is going to crash. It's a odd leap of logic for foreign coutries to continue investing in emerging markets (particularly those in Latin America, rife with corruption and defaulted loans) and then express serious concern over America's falling dollar.

Well they are investing in hard stuff. Like agriculture and more recently oil in Venezuela. Also when referring to Hedge funds its a whole different ballgame. They are concerned about the US dollar because it is a the staple currency in the world (though thats changing and has been expected for a long time now).

The thing is, countries sort of rely on the US. I mean Europes tourist industry depends on the influx of Americans who are increasingly unwilling to travel to such an expensive region now. Have you guys seen the rates on airlines these days to Europe? They are abyssmally low, and don't think its b/c it was always like that. You can compare airline rates from a few years and smell the difference. Granted some of that has to do with 9/11, but not so much. Just this past thanksgiving the US witnessed the highest record of travel for the holiday's in its history. So its not that, clearly, as has been reported, its just too damn expensive. And I can tell you, as someone who was over in Europe in 2004... Its NO FUCKING JOKE! So back to my original point, the loss on the US dollar is very bad for everyone, not just Americans. Just b/c a few investors are gaining some money off the whole thing doesn't mean its a good thing macroeconomically.

Also, if anyone has read the FT lately it has stated that the hopeful increase in US exports has been nothing short of a failure. Not even Europe is importing much more American goods. And of course the inability to compete with China due to its pegged currency is a huge problem. The financial dominance of Japan and Germany over the US is quickly disintegrating to China at an alarming rate. I am thoroughly convinced they are the next great superpower and it will happen in our lifetime.

Big McLargeHuge
2005-01-25, 06:24 AM
lol, slow death of the us dollar, thats truly funny. yeah, cuz the slump it is in right now is non recoverable, ever, its dying, really, there is no cyclical information and we can never recover from this.

hell, even if you somehow blame bush for this, and not a cyclical happening over the last ten or twelve years, then it just must be fact that as soon as he is gone the dollar will jump right back up, if its bush's fault, as everything obviously is

zartan
2005-01-25, 11:38 AM
what a trenchant economic analysis. thanks for the input.

empath
2005-01-25, 12:42 PM
lol, slow death of the us dollar, thats truly funny. yeah, cuz the slump it is in right now is non recoverable, ever, its dying, really, there is no cyclical information and we can never recover from this.

hell, even if you somehow blame bush for this, and not a cyclical happening over the last ten or twelve years, then it just must be fact that as soon as he is gone the dollar will jump right back up, if its bush's fault, as everything obviously is
god i hate republicans.

i might make that my new signature.

Big McLargeHuge
2005-01-25, 12:53 PM
god i hate republicans.

i might make that my new signature.

ah, the supposedly tolerant side speaks

empath
2005-01-25, 12:56 PM
wow, i haven't heard that 80,000 times on this forum yet.

zartan
2005-01-25, 01:00 PM
Hey BigMcHugeLarge why don't you explain in more detail the economic analysis that leads you to your conclusions?

Big McLargeHuge
2005-01-25, 08:52 PM
god i hate republicans.

i might make that my new signature.


god i love democrats

might make that my new signature

zartan
2005-01-27, 01:10 AM
havent' noticed your analysis. links to articles, etc, would be great.