Baltimore Scene

[atype]

My name is Andrew Grant,

I just wanted to introduce myself to the B-more/DC scene and thanks those of you who have supported me. I have just moved back from Ibiza in October. So far I have played some nice places, Goodlove, SpyCLub, Shorty's. Thanks to Tim Cook- Foundation Crew and Zik Jabir- Midtown Records and LG- Goodlove. Also thanks to all the promoters that have helped me.

Much Luv and respect, now onto the scene part.

This is my 1st post so I am not trying to dig tooo deep but, this city and I mean Baltimore has the potential to really blow up if.......people have to unite tho.

Some collective group that organizes proper parties. I know peeps wanna party and in my opion the desire for everyone on this board to help it. 4yrs @DC-10 can really open your eyes. I say that drug free by the way dork and all.

With all that said in honest opinion no disrespect to any folk'

search Andrew Grant http://www.thedjlist.com

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[djc[uscrew]]

one word



sonar



;]

[atype]

yeh sonar is cool, I gave Lonnie about 5 diff. mix cds as well as a proff. press kit. What he does is on point but I think B-more needs a real club not a wharehouse feel.

[TZEECH]

[TZEECH]

WHATEVER!!!!!
it's the underground that rules.
trust is shaddy anyway.
we don't need pussy trance, club trance of any other form of trance.

BMORE UNDERGROUND!!!!!

[SCHLiTZ]

I personally love the diversity in the Bmore club scene. There are clubs for almost any kind of feel/style/atmosphere you could want.... I don't think there necessarily needs to be one crew to take hold and make the scene better. There are a lot of small crews and small club nites, and without diversity, things get stale.


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[atype]

WHATEVER!!!!!
it's the underground that rules.
trust is shaddy anyway.
we don't need pussy trance, club trance of any other form of trance.

BMORE UNDERGROUND!!!!!



haha well its good you feel that way,

1st) I know there have been ton of Trance djays to play the more Wharehouse feel
i.e. Nation and Sonar

2nd) Read the flyer bro see any trance djays? cool me niether I play techno soo?

3rd) It's going to be new owners/ operators for the club on that night

4th) When I was talking about people coming together I didn't mean using vulgar lang.
1 World and all

5th) Name your "top" underground djays in Bmore that even play outside of the city and I mean real gigs. Do they have production out?

Underground you say. I come from DC-10 thats as underground as it gets.

I am not upset but 4real man WE all need to get together and turn the TIDE so to speak.

[The Jezereck]

Patrick Turner, he does the lounge for Lonnie out at Sonar, has Movim Records as his label, pretty much plays all over. Can find his tracks in pretty much all the major on-line record shops. Lot of great talen in the Bmore scene, but I def..ly hear ya about gettin the scene united.

[MaryAnarchy]

wow, i don't think i'd go to a party that had the headliners of astro & glyde. that's cheesy. straight up.

[TZEECH]

well, i've been here since day one in the BMORE scene. i have played every major party in Bmore and DC. i have played all around the country and i produce music that is played and released on mixed cd's by local dj's. NO, i have never played huge mega clubs, but i have thrown and played parties with attendance of 3000+. I play all parties because i love to play the music, most of the time i play for free or for a very low fee. I am 100% in to the BMORE scene more than most people think or know. It's sad that i do so much, but because i play techno i get no play time in Bmore or DC.
it's cool, hit me up we'll talk shop.
GOODLUCK

[therastamonsays]

yeh sonar is cool, I gave Lonnie about 5 diff. mix cds as well as a proff. press kit. What he does is on point but I think B-more needs a real club not a wharehouse feel.


blah baltimore doesnt need a club fuck that shit. baltimore is too dirty and grungey to have a nice club it just wouldnt fit in right. and i sure as hell wouldnt go to any club. keep the "real" clubs in dc it suits them better.

[SCHLiTZ]

blah baltimore doesnt need a club fuck that shit. baltimore is too dirty and grungey to have a nice club it just wouldnt fit in right. and i sure as hell wouldnt go to any club. keep the "real" clubs in dc it suits them better.


Obviously you haven't been to Baltimore lately, or really don't know where you are going in the city.... Take a look at some of the "nicer" club nites that have started up in the last year:

Good Love
Galaxy at Gardell's.... I don't think it can get any nicer.

[TZEECH]

blah baltimore doesnt need a club fuck that shit. baltimore is too dirty and grungey to have a nice club it just wouldnt fit in right. and i sure as hell wouldnt go to any club. keep the "real" clubs in dc it suits them better.

DC IS CLEAN?!?!?!?!??!?!?!? :wedgie:

[atype]

Ok so we at least we all agree on 1 thing....Baltimore doesn't like or accept Techno too bad cause Hawtin here would really excite me. I have lucky enough to open for him and Ricardo Villalobos on 2 occasions and that is the sound I am more into.

As for P.Turner cool cat I have helped get a gig in Ibiza @DC-10 where I play but he was unable to make it do to other circumstances. I hope I get to play w/ TZEECH someday tho cause he prolly plays more my style.

Good luck to all and keep posting we should maybe plan to meet @Orpheus some night like Thursday when Tim cook is playing or Gardells any suggesh is appreciated.

PS the guy who put Astro&Glyde is cheesy I respect your opinion but cheesy they are not Bedrock, Xplosion and Automatic didn't think so?

search Andrew Grant on http://www.thedjlist.com

[dankdnb]

this thread is funny

[sprklqueen]

Good luck to all and keep posting we should maybe plan to meet @Orpheus some night like Thursday when Tim cook is playing or Gardells any suggesh is appreciated
:no: no more Tim at Orpheus on Thursdays. You should check out Tzeech if possible though, he is good... he'll be at the Funk Box this Sunday. The Judge's Bench on Tuesdays is a good possiblility to see him & for all to meet too.
(you can all thank me later for those plugs!! :snog:)

[TZEECH]

THANKYOU!!!!!
yes, please comeout to these small but great parties.
Maybe i'll buy you a beer. :ez:

[The Jezereck]

anything goin on this Thursday in the bmore area? Have an unusual Friday off this week, and its about time I started checkin out the local Bmore crews.

[sprklqueen]

Yes it is... Goodlove & Stimulus... only blocks away from each other.. check it out!!
And Tzeech... your welcome honey, RBV for me though!! :D

[iminxtc]

yeh sonar is cool, I gave Lonnie about 5 diff. mix cds as well as a proff. press kit. What he does is on point but I think B-more needs a real club not a wharehouse feel.

prolly one of the worse things i have eve heard. who the fuck are you to say what baltimore needs? i think trust is cursed BTW.

[MaryAnarchy]

gee, thanks for the negative reputuation, nameless person who gave it to me.

sorry i think those headliners are cheesy as fuck.

[atype]

prolly one of the worse things i have eve heard. who the fuck are you to say what baltimore needs? i think trust is cursed BTW.


I was born and raised in B-more that gives me some idea and.....I have played around the WORLD so I have more of an insight on proffesional clubs..like oo Pacha or Privilage or Tribehouse or Crobar or Fabric or 20 other mega/ small clubs I have layed beats down at with everyone from Craig Richards to MR. C. thats who I am. Lonnie has his crew that he deals with and thats cool by me man, its sooo easy to blast me with words but I actually do have an idea of what works and what doesn't,

B-more was raised on this Wharehouse Fever/ Rave/ Glow Stick dance culture. CHANGE its old, that shit went out with the trash. People need to grow not stay under the same protected boundries. I left B-more to get deeper on a global level the same reason Tim Cook is coming to Ibiza with me next summer. To get out of the same old and see what else works.

as for Mary I listed my name on page 1 soo I am not afriad and I respect your opinion, I just don't think they are cheesy thats why I replied.

[Foundation]

this is a funny thread. i am lauging now.

should have warned ya, buzz board don't like redwood trust so much. there's been too many problems in the past. I think a new years party should do well, simply for the fact that it is a georgeous place, and it could be pulled off if people can see it for the once in a long time thing. There are definately enough people in the area for several clubs to be successful at the same time. Their are lots of nights going all over the city, recently gardells opened 3 floors, lonnie has expanded his club to a massive three rooms, LJ re-opened the burned down Goodlove and is bringing in sick west coast house sounds, Delivery is a year strong on sundays at skylounge, stimulus recently re-opened the Loft for thursday night underground sounds, Club one is a beautiful space that has been successful for quite sometime, and has a hip/chic crowd, even the powerplant has supported EDM with their summer terrasse parties, not to mention red maple, thirteenth floor, the spaced out wherehouse, all the while, 1722 has been ruling the afterhours unchallenged with its charles street techno sound.

so what.
still somepeople say, they know what baltimore is all about, and that someone is cheesy, or someone is hardcore, F-that....there is so much world class action happening, and to be had in baltimore that it is pretty sick.

So the redwood trust sits there, a gem of architecture, a bomb of sonic engineering, and a debacle of malformed business practices. So it could be that were new people to take hold of that gem, to really take it, and own it, and be it, and be real, and legitimate, and sensible, and respectable, and respectful, than tzeech, and andrew grant, and tim cook, and funk fraggle, and all the other fucks that go to all of these fucking places, can sit there, and look at eachother and laugh, and make money, and live, and love what the fuck they are doing.

so, do it.

build it
make it be so

[ProducerMDDCVA]

What an all over the place thread. Im laughing too. Those glowstick raver days are long over, and Baltimore realized that in 97. You may be a big time all over the world DJ and you know what works all over the world... but, Baltimore, right now, is new, fresh, and original. Most often there's more love for the local DJs than the headliners.

A few random points of my own:


Everyone hates Redwood Trust. Baltimore hates it, DJs hate it, promoters hate it, club goers hate it. It's cursed. They have screwed over time and time and TIME again. The venue is spectacular, however, it is also the opposite of everything the Baltimore scene stands for. I wish you much luck on the trust NYE party, but I think most of the heads in BMore will be at Galaxy, Sonar, Babalu, Vibe, and several smaller parties. A $135 ticket is a tough sell.... perhaps it will attract a completely different crowd.

Baltimore headz love all forms of EDM.. however Baltimore is accepting of new cutting edge music and therefore i think Baltimore is ahead of the wave. Techno and Trance are classic oldschool sounds... even the new techno and trance being produced is a clone of the old techno and trance. I think Baltimore is beyond that... sure there's DJs that play techno and trance and there's club goers that love it.... but I think BMore is also very much into Deep House and sophisticated sounds, or DnB along with darkstep and techstep, or they're into all the UK Garage sounds, dubstep, 2-step, grime, etc. ... varied diverse sounds.

Baltimore has everything to offer in terms of venues.... to generically label:
Galaxy is "the real club feel" you're looking for.. not redwood trust. Sonar is "the big warehouse/concert hall" plus UG club feel. Goodlove is "the posh lounge." Depot is "the hole in the wall." Paradox is the classic legend.

I personally feel Baltimore IS CURRENTLY blowing up and has been for 7-9 months now... and it's been rising ever since. 2005 is gonna be stoopid huge for BMore! And everyone in Bmore can feel it!

I also feel the Baltimore scene IS unified. The dedicated partiers or DJ fans know where and when to go, always. There are lots of Baltimore party crews and groups that are taking a proactive approach to unify the scene. They are going out and creating and transforming the scene simply for the love of music, djs, and throwing parties. There are Baltimore groups such as ultraworld, sonic soul, gourmetbeats, 2charmingcrew, kidzthatgroove, siempre foundation, psion, baltimore stormin brainz, and many more that are molding our scene into what it is today.. and what it will be. Anyone truely currently involved in Baltimore's nightlife (I would venture to say) is content with what is currently being done.

I am so glad I could experience the first wave in Baltimore for 93-97. I am so glad I am creating in Baltimore for 2004 and 2005!!

[ProducerMDDCVA]

5th) Name your "top" underground djays in Bmore that even play outside of the city and I mean real gigs. Do they have production out?


Me... I'm just one example. I DJ in MD, PA, NJ, DC, VA, and a few gigs in FL (95% small no-stress events, and a rare big one). I've released 7 CDs of original music. a few tracks got picked up with a lil agreement, and a couple tracks are on compilations. No national retail store sales or anything... at least my mommy bought my CD.

Now given, I'm not even close to big time, probably most dont even know me.... But alot of people in Baltimore know what I'm up to and have heard of Baltimore Stormin Brainz, and that's really all that's important to me.

I think there's a looooads more DJs/producers in Baltimore that travel out to do gigs and they're doing big things with their original music also. (Brother Pinch (2charmingcrew) & Rev-E (sonar) are examples. A varied example: Joe Nice, the ambassador of dubstep, probably the most overall loved local DJ in town, has special connections with the brandspankingnew Dubstep producers. The producers and Joe work together to spread this form of music to Baltimore and beyond.

[Foundation]

out of town gigs in :
Daytona, Denver, Sandiego, Santa Monica, Toronto California, Dallas Texas, Atlanta, Chicago, Milwaukee, San francisco, Holland, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Philly, Venezuela, West Virginia, Miami, Ohio,

productions : working on that.

[ProducerMDDCVA]

out of town gigs in :
Daytona, Denver, Sandiego, Santa Monica, Toronto California, Dallas Texas, Atlanta, Chicago, Milwaukee, San francisco, Holland, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Philly, Venezuela, West Virginia, Miami, Ohio,

productions : working on that.

Dude maing, ya forgot Baltimore :banana:

[sprklqueen]

So the redwood trust sits there, a gem of architecture, a bomb of sonic engineering, and a debacle of malformed business practices. So it could be that were new people to take hold of that gem, to really take it, and own it, and be it, and be real, and legitimate, and sensible, and respectable, and respectful, than tzeech, and andrew grant, and tim cook, and funk fraggle, and all the other fucks that go to all of these fucking places, can sit there, and look at eachother and laugh, and make money, and live, and love what the fuck they are doing.
so, do it.
build it
make it be so
Well said! :smooch: Redwood Trust is merely a building and a beautiful one at that. And probably one of the most awesome venues this city has to offer IMO. I think people hate "Trust" because of past experiences, but it wasn't the building that made those experiences, it was the people. So if, as you said, it were to be new people there, maybe it's up to us, the people that love the music & what's going on in our city these days, to educate them about the past and encourage the future.

[DAVEILL1]

Since Feelgood left B-more its been a breakbeat city. Breakbeats or STFU

Most local message boards that are EDM related will not be into the pushing of a super club and the glitz and glame that is too expensive for most real fans.

Smell the streets of Baltimore not the sands of Ibiza

[Modern Breaks]

baltimore is for the real motherfuckers

[samsonstout]

Dude maing, ya forgot Baltimore :banana:

amusing reading all this, and most of all i'm
pissed you stole the dancing banana - all i
could think getting through this thread was
"oh shit, i'm gonna drop the dancing fruit!"


:banana:

:tweak:

[Justin Time]

this thread is funny


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[DAVEILL1]

:banana:



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[Implicit]

baltimore is for the real motherfuckers

Don't forget all the heroin addicts :D

You don't get the title "heroin capital of the United States" for nothing.. hehe

[Light Touch]

Thanks for pointing me to this thread, Brad.

Thanks to Brad and Tim for the 2-Charming props.

Here's my take on Baltimore, and what it needs. First, Trust needs new management. No shady shitbags, real music-oriented professionals. I know that a lot of people involved in the nightlife scene are dirtbags and drug dealers (or worse), but with the proper management, Trust could truly put Baltimore on the nightlife map. I am optimistic about Galaxy/Gardel's, it's a hot venue, but I want to wait and see where that goes. They're off to a great start, though.

Baltimore, circa right now, is about small, intimate, energetic nights. People want to chill, have fun, and dance when they're feeling the sounds. Baltimore is blue collar as fuck, and I love that about this town. If you want pretense, it's tough to find, and it's usually a bunch of those wish-we-were-NY-or-LA-jetsetters types who look like strippers on their night out. And probably are.

Someone described Baltimore to me long ago, in a concise way -- it's a shitty town overall, but there are some great places if you know where to look. For all the crime, drug use, STDs, and rundown neighborhoods, Baltimore is amazing that it has so many truly nice venues, like SkyLounge, GoodLove, 13th Floor, Spy Club, Red Maple, Sonar, and now Gardel's/Galaxy, with hip, positive crowds and a keen ear for good music.

My problem with the Baltimore club scene is the whole black/white distinction. The rift is clear in clubs as a whole (I'm always asked, "Is your night a white music night or mixed?") and in scenes like the Baltimore Club scene and the house music scene. There are white versions and black versions of the scenes. There are great people in both scenes, and it's a shame we're not all on the same page.

Musically, I love Baltimore. Club music is raw, gritty; the house is smooth, deep, soulful; people are feeling hip-hop sounds, be it crunk, east coast, west coast, whatever; we've had good response for the garage/grime/dubstep sounds we (2-Charming) bring. Baltimoreans love the soulful vibe, be it in your face like club or sublime like house. I personally don't feel the techno vibe too much, but that's just me. I understand why people don't really feel that sound here, tho -- it's not street enough. Baltimore is a dirt-under-your-fingernails kind of town. I respect the techno/trance vibe, I just don't feel it.

All that said, I like where Baltimore is, and I don't know about it "blowing up", but I'm looking forward to 2005, to growing the 2-Charming/Delivery family, to repping for the others in the area with like-minded approaches, and giving people a positive nightlife vibe.

[ProducerMDDCVA]

Well said LT.


(If anyone ever catches me listening to "white people music," please remind me to shoot myself.)

[samsonstout]

Well said LT.


(If anyone ever catches me listening to "white people music," please remind me to shoot myself.)


Indeed on 2 counts.

[Foundation]

Baltimore needs more Djs that mix little john with def leopard...


oh yeah and by the way did anyone mention drum and fucking bass, big up to the throw-down amen and the steady bassline. (Andy C and MC GQ love baltimore!!! they said so)

[ProducerMDDCVA]

oh yeah and by the way did anyone mention drum and fucking bass, big up to the throw-down amen and the steady bassline. (Andy C and MC GQ love baltimore!!! they said so)


LTJ Bukem and Conrad LOVE baltimore
DJ Zinc LOVES baltimore
DJ Craze LOVES baltimore

[sprklqueen]

I agree w/ so much of what was said. :grouphug: Dan, your comment about mgmt at Trust was my whole point... don't blame the building. Blame the people that MISmanaged it. And if run correctly, it can be another great place to throw a party. Not looking for it, nor pushing it, to be a phoney "super club" full of glitz & glamour (the people that want that are going to Power Plant Live anyway!). Yes Joe, another place for the real motherf*ckers to go and enjoy all the music this great city has to offer lately. From this thread, and others, I think more & more of us are trying to combine forces, if you will, to make B'more THE place to be for EDM.

[The Jezereck]

would be great to see, think Bmore has a lot of potential, would love to see what happened if we all got our heads together and worked on it.

[Modern Breaks]

Don't forget all the heroin addicts :D

You don't get the title "heroin capital of the United States" for nothing.. hehe


idiot...

[djc[uscrew]]

catch me feb 20 @ club infiniti in MOSCOW, RU alongside Paul b , Subwave, And Dillinja


underground dj's takin it out of bmore



;)

[Foundation]

moscow, that's whats up

[Demetrios]

']catch me feb 20 @ club infiniti in MOSCOW, RU alongside Paul b , Subwave, And Dillinja


underground dj's takin it out of bmore



;)

Damn! Nice one Dustin.

[samsonstout]

Damn! Nice one Dustin.

DAH

[ProducerMDDCVA]

Make sure you throw a few BMore Club in your record bag just in case.

"Watch out for the big girrl"

:cheer:


']catch me feb 20 @ club infiniti in MOSCOW, RU alongside Paul b , Subwave, And Dillinja


underground dj's takin it out of bmore



;)

[samsonstout]

LOL - u gotta rep it even if something's lost in translation!

[tai]

Dan, your comment about mgmt at Trust was my whole point... don't blame the building. Blame the people that MISmanaged it. And if run correctly, it can be another great place to throw a party.

Hmm.. I'd say give up on Trust and focus on what we already got.. we have a great scene building here in Baltimore already, with multiple clubs all playing great music on almost any night of the week.

You know what would make the scene in Baltimore amazing?

Not some new club playing new music..
Not some million dollar sound system..
Not all the "A LIST" headliners in the world...

All we need is for everyone to GO OUT and SUPPORT the nights that are going down right now in your own back yard. Be involved. Initiate the young and uneducated, and introduce new people to the scene. Explore new parties that you haven't been to yet. Expose yourself to new music and new sounds that you havn't heard before.. (you might actually like it!) Squash the negativity. Baltimore is a beautiful place. I've lived here for the past 2 years and I feel like I've been here my whole life. It's the grimey streets and the genuine people, both abundant in this city, that make it so REAL.. so go out and show your love.

[ggfab]

Congrats 'Atype' for your gigis and NYE set to come! You know the mad props go out to Tim Cook!!

He's someone to be praised! Good luck in your endeavors and I look forward to hearing you soon.


:raveon:

[Electric Head]

GG FAB!!!! what up gurl......where ya been? Its been a minute

[ggfab]

Look, WHERE you been nu :snog: kka???


I'm down with a disKount baby! How was your holiday?

xox

[Electric Head]

this year, honestly, the holidaze are teh suck! u coming in the w/end?

[ggfab]

I unfortunately have to work at 11 am so this little girl will be holding it down in bmore and hopefully getting some rest. Whatcha plan to do?

[Electric Head]

work...then, dunno. maybe nation. something that involves lots and lots of booze

[ggfab]

Lots of booze...sounds like every nite in my neighborhood! :D

I just hope to god I get some sleep before work. It's a conspiracy with these people!!! :badkitty:

[Electric Head]

ur reminding me that id rather live in b-more. my kinda peeps, u r.

[ggfab]

:eddie: well, you'll just hafta come and visit now won'tcha? :hmm:

[Electric Head]

imonmyway

[ggfab]

:woot:

Can you please bring with you a few things?

1. John Tab
2. Ian - Inflictz
3. Mike - Darkenetiks
4. Demetrios

I need to hear some good drums tonite...kthnx

[Electric Head]

aight......JT, u ready?

[tinybinderclip]

Finally, a decent thread.

[sprklqueen]

Hmm.. I'd say give up on Trust and focus on what we already got.. we have a great scene building here in Baltimore already, with multiple clubs all playing great music on almost any night of the week.
It's (Trust) already here babe.. why not use it to our advantage!


Baltimore is a beautiful city. I've lived here for the past 2 years and I feel like I've been here my whole life. It's the grimey streets and the genuine people, both abundant in this city, that make it so REAL.. so go out and show your love.
Agreed!! I love this city... it's "HOME"

[Joe L.]

just wanted to say.... I've been venturing up to bmore a lot more recently from DC.... Thurs nights @ goodlove, Wed nights @ sonar for EXIT, and some Sat at sonar.....

and the people I've been meeting and talking to are great. They are there for the music....
DC has a lot of people that go to the clubs, even the smaller parties, and they couldn't tell you house from techno. Not so in Bmore.... I played Sonar last Wed and had a blast... I would much rather play for a crowd that is into the music and smaller...than a large crowd that is oblivious to what's going on. anyways, for as much as I used to make fun of Bmore.....you guys got something good going on up there, keep the ball rolling.....respect!

[tai]

It's (Trust) already here babe.. why not use it to our advantage!

I'm usually the most optimistic person you will meet.. but IMHO, they may as well turn Trust back into a bank.

That being said... if you can make it work then go for it! You'll have my respect.

[sprklqueen]

I'm usually the most optimistic person you will meet.. but IMHO, they may as well turn Trust back into a bank.

That being said... if you can make it work then go for it! You'll have my respect.
ahh, but if only it were mine to make work. We flower ladies don't have THAT kind of money!! :inergy: damn it!

[sprklqueen]

P.S. How'd my stew "recipe" work? lol

[tai]

Haha! Actually I haven't made it yet! I decided I'm gonna treat myself on New Years day... i'll be starting the slow cooker as I get home.. (probably at around 10AM) so that it will be ready when I wake up. (probably at around 10PM lol)

[sprklqueen]

No way! 12 hours of sleep?? I should be so lucky!!

[Implicit]

idiot...

It was a joke... but not a totally an unfounded one:

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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/heroin010314_baltimore.html

B A L T I M O R E, March 14 — Baltimore is the heroin capital of the
United States.

"Government agencies estimate that as many as one in 10 of the city's
residents are addicted to the drug."

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http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/09/22/heroin.baltimore/

"Of the city's 650,000 residents, an estimated 60,000 use illegal
drugs, according to Baltimore's health commissioner, Dr. Peter
Beilenson.

"About one out of every ten adults," he said. "And for about three
quarters of them, the primary drug of choice is heroin."

Some people blame the city's 45,000 heroin users on poverty. Others
aren't certain why the drug has become so entrenched that it's handed
down along family lines."

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http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs5/5787/heroin.htm

"Heroin poses the greatest drug threat to Baltimore. Most drug-related
treatment admissions to publicly funded facilities in the city from
July 1, 2001, through June 30, 2002, were for heroin abuse. Baltimore
had the third highest rate per 100,000 population of heroin-related ED
mentions (after Newark and Chicago) among the 21 metropolitan areas
reporting to DAWN in 2001. That rate (195) was significantly higher
than the rate nationwide (37). Mortality data indicate that there were
349 heroin/morphine-related deaths in the Baltimore metropolitan area
in 2001, more than for any other illicit drug. Heroin abuse via
injection has contributed significantly to the number of HIV (human
immunodeficiency virus) cases in Baltimore."

[Modern Breaks]

thanks mr. statistic. those of us that live and breathe here know all this. why don't you talk about something positive instead of downing a great city. nobody or no city is perfect. pick at our inperfections and somehow yours will come to light.

this city IS real. no bullshit in this town. people work hard, and they play hard. and we are happy.

modern

[Implicit]

thanks mr. statistic. those of us that live and breathe here know all this. why don't you talk about something positive instead of downing a great city. nobody or no city is perfect. pick at our inperfections and somehow yours will come to light.

this city IS real. no bullshit in this town. people work hard, and they play hard. and we are happy.

modern

Well put. I apologize for my off-hand comments detracting from the thread. Much respect.

[Dj a.m.p.]

just wanted to say.... I've been venturing up to bmore a lot more recently from DC.... Thurs nights @ goodlove, Wed nights @ sonar for EXIT, and some Sat at sonar.....

and the people I've been meeting and talking to are great. They are there for the music....
DC has a lot of people that go to the clubs, even the smaller parties, and they couldn't tell you house from techno. Not so in Bmore.... I played Sonar last Wed and had a blast... I would much rather play for a crowd that is into the music and smaller...than a large crowd that is oblivious to what's going on. anyways, for as much as I used to make fun of Bmore.....you guys got something good going on up there, keep the ball rolling.....respect!

Goodlove, Shorty's, and me and my crew throw down at a upstairs bar in fells point. Basically a warehouse with alcohal, callin' it Stimulus... mad phatty underground beats! Mainly house n' breaks but you never do know! Come check it out, mad threads all over the buzz boards... Check out Galaxy on friday nights and Sky Lounge on sundays too!

[Light Touch]

just wanted to say.... I've been venturing up to bmore a lot more recently from DC.... Thurs nights @ goodlove, Wed nights @ sonar for EXIT, and some Sat at sonar.....

and the people I've been meeting and talking to are great. They are there for the music....
DC has a lot of people that go to the clubs, even the smaller parties, and they couldn't tell you house from techno. Not so in Bmore.... I played Sonar last Wed and had a blast... I would much rather play for a crowd that is into the music and smaller...than a large crowd that is oblivious to what's going on. anyways, for as much as I used to make fun of Bmore.....you guys got something good going on up there, keep the ball rolling.....respect!

Respect to you -- we're all really pushing for a fun, family-like scene up here. Lots of folks working together to bring positive vibes to the area. I need to check out Devin & co's night, I've been meaning to. Goodlove is just automatic, respect to LG & Sonic Soul.

[sprklqueen]

I need to check out Devin & co's night, I've been meaning to.
Def should, think you'll like it. Saw Joe L for his b'day bash, and Ed last week. Looking forward to seeing Section 8 this month. Glad to have a reason to go to Sonar on Weds again... Yay for Devin and the guys!

[ProducerMDDCVA]

Def should, think you'll like it. Saw Joe L for his b'day bash, and Ed last week. Looking forward to seeing Section 8 this month. Glad to have a reason to go to Sonar on Weds again... Yay for Devin and the guys!


EXIT wednesdays at Sonar is phenominal! The people behind the party are RIGHT-ON! Down to earth real people doing something ahead of its time!

Cant wait for SPETTRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JAN 12th!!!!!

http://sonar.us/SonarArt/Calendar/exitjan12.JPG

[sprklqueen]

:slap: Yikes! my bad... forgot about this Wednesday... Mike & Chris... I'm there!

[ProducerMDDCVA]

Since Mike and Chris both run record stores, expect to hear only the finest tracks.

Can the opener be Sam Goody, and then we just beat the shit out of him 5 mins into the set?

[joenice]

A varied example: Joe Nice, the ambassador of dubstep, probably the most overall loved local DJ in town, has special connections with the brandspankingnew Dubstep producers. The producers and Joe work together to spread this form of music to Baltimore and beyond.

Jeez...what do I say to this? Thanks man....

My two cents -- Baltimore is "home" to me; things make sense here. Trust -- I agree with Tai, if they're not gonna use the space @ Redwood Trust properly, turn the building into office space.

Let's grow what we have before we try to imagine what Baltimore could be. We need to be more supportive of the local events and the local djs. There's far too many frontrunners that only come out for the "big name out of town djs", when in most cases, those "big names" disappoint. The big names arent always hungry for fresh tunes....they dont put the time in. They'll just play and get paid and go to the next town.

If there's an internet radio show -- tune in.

Finally, i believe we all need to be a bit more open-minded when it comes to music. Dont be so quick to dismiss a particular dj's sound because it's different from yours. If you dont like a dj's sound after you've given it a chance -- that's cool. At least you've made an informed decision. Try something different, you might like it.

[Light Touch]

Let's grow what we have before we try to imagine what Baltimore could be. We need to be more supportive of the local events and the local djs. There's far too many frontrunners that only come out for the "big name out of town djs", when in most cases, those "big names" disappoint. The big names arent always hungry for fresh tunes....they dont put the time in. They'll just play and get paid and go to the next town.

Seriously -- how many times has this happened lately?

How many times has a certain female garage DJ done that? :wink:

The locals are pushing sounds. Period. Sometimes talent comes to town and actually shows up -- sometimes they come to town just for the money.

[sprklqueen]

The locals are pushing sounds. Period.
That they are! I think that's appararent from the success of several local parties that are growing all the time. Delivery and Home are strong "little" parties. We have Ginseng, Stimulus, and now Exit starting to make names for themselves. From what I hear about the Cubik NYE party, people strongly supported the locals... as it should be. We (as you guys know I strongly preach) all need to work together to promote these parties and the dj's playing at them. And mad respect to the ones throwing them!

[joenice]

How many times has a certain female garage DJ done that? :wink:

That's the funniest statement in the history of this forum. No joke. LT, I know what you mean. She's also guilty of pitchjacking....

Then again, I'm "guilty" of that too, but nothing like you know who. I'll push some tunes @ +3 or +4 and occassionally move to +6 (especially Oris Jay or Toasty tunes @ 135bpm). It's when you start a tune @ +5 and everything gets pushed to +7 or +8, that's when you get into trouble. When "Highland Spring" sounds like a drum&bass remix, something is wrong.

The locals are pushing sounds. Period. Sometimes talent comes to town and actually shows up -- sometimes they come to town just for the money.
Agreed. With regards to UK underground dance music (dubstep/grime/2-step/sublow), 2Charming are the forerunners in the U.S. , not just Baltimore.

Baltimore is on the map overseas....I know from personal experience.

[Dj a.m.p.]

Finally, i believe we all need to be a bit more open-minded when it comes to music. Dont be so quick to dismiss a particular dj's sound because it's different from yours. If you dont like a dj's sound after you've given it a chance -- that's cool. At least you've made an informed decision. Try something different, you might like it.

True true true... otherwise no one would know about Joe Nice except for the bass thats rattling the windows and setting their car alarm off!!! Mad respect to 2charming, loved everything their name is on. Delivery sundays is still my musical haven of the week!

[Dj a.m.p.]

Oh, and I stay jakking pitch, my house cannot be played at 90 bpm's like all these other lullaby dj's... god, wake the fuck up!!!!!

[TZEECH]

Then again, I'm "guilty" of that too, but nothing like you know who. I'll push some tunes @ +3 or +4 and occassionally move to +6 (especially Oris Jay or Toasty tunes @ 135bpm). It's when you start a tune @ +5 and everything gets pushed to +7 or +8, that's when you get into trouble. When "Highland Spring" sounds like a drum&bass remix, something is wrong.




Fast can be groovy too.The uk is good for one thing, making music to drink to or music for girls gone wild video's.

[Benson]

well, i've been here since day one in the BMORE scene. i have played every major party in Bmore and DC. i have played all around the country and i produce music that is played and released on mixed cd's by local dj's. NO, i have never played huge mega clubs, but i have thrown and played parties with attendance of 3000+. I play all parties because i love to play the music, most of the time i play for free or for a very low fee. I am 100% in to the BMORE scene more than most people think or know. It's sad that i do so much, but because i play techno i get no play time in Bmore or DC.
it's cool, hit me up we'll talk shop.
GOODLUCKyeah, tzeech ain't kiddin' either (ab't playing out @ any party)...he spun @ my second party in the back room of a 50's themed lounge in York, wayyyy back in like...what, 96? Tzeech, you're da illest!

[Light Touch]

That's the funniest statement in the history of this forum. No joke. LT, I know what you mean. She's also guilty of pitchjacking....

Then again, I'm "guilty" of that too, but nothing like you know who. I'll push some tunes @ +3 or +4 and occassionally move to +6 (especially Oris Jay or Toasty tunes @ 135bpm). It's when you start a tune @ +5 and everything gets pushed to +7 or +8, that's when you get into trouble. When "Highland Spring" sounds like a drum&bass remix, something is wrong.

I have much less of a problem with it when it's non-vocal music.

But that girl jacks the pitch on Todd Edwards tracks so bad that it sounds like the Spastic Cut-Up Soul Sisters huffed a liter of helium before they got on the mic. It's so distracting that it loses and energy gain she's trying to develop.

Dubstep probably needs the added tempo, IMHO. Otherwise, it'd be tough to keep people from blissing out in a corner somewhere. I try to keep my tempos pretty low, but it's mainly a groove/vocal thing that works better with the grimy sound.

[atype]

This thread got the old mouse and wheel spinning. HUH?

[Foundation]

all this positive chatter makes me want to throw a "foundation baltimore" event. we could organize a venue so that a major area was dedicated to local promoters allowing them to set up a table and promote themselves and network. would anyone be into helping organize something like that?

[The Jezereck]

yeah man, id be more then happy to help, jus drop me a message and lemme know what ya need.

[sprklqueen]

all this positive chatter makes me want to throw a "foundation baltimore" event. we could organize a venue so that a major area was dedicated to local promoters allowing them to set up a table and promote themselves and network. would anyone be into helping organize something like that?
Are you talking about setting up a specific party to do this? And who to promote & network to? Networking seems to be being done now among dj's/promoters at a lot of the parties already going on, now maybe more than ever. I think that's why so many people are all about "working together" as a whole. If to promote to party "goers", why couldn't that concept be done at existing parties? Fliers are already being handed out (and thrown all over). Why not set up a "joint" table to put them all on. The promoters could man it thru the course of the evening, answer ?'s for people, etc.
Another idea would be to have this "joint promotion" table at major events in the city. Artscape, Fells Point Fun Festival, Federal Hill Festival, Honfest, etc. Parties & venues could be promoted, CD's could be sold.. this could have all kinds of possibilities! And could also help put a positive spin on "the scene" to those uneducated about it.

[Foundation]

I mean more like a convention type thing

[sprklqueen]

That's why I'm asking :wink: trying to figure where you're going w/ this. A night time party or a day long event?
Here's an idea.. get the whole B'more music industry involved. Totally cross promote dj's, bands, clubs, bars, parties, recording studios, etc. Get Music Monthly & the City Paper involved. They both would have a stake in an event like that. Involve the radio stations too. You'd have your advertising at no cost in both medias that way. If you do it outside... invite vendors to be there for food, t-shirts, etc (damn this is sounding like my block party on a MUCH larger scale!!). We could make it the "Baltimore Music Conference".

[ProducerMDDCVA]

4 Words:

Timonium Fairgrounds, Convention Hall.

[Light Touch]

What does Gardel's do during the day?

[Light Touch]

If to promote to party "goers", why couldn't that concept be done at existing parties? Fliers are already being handed out (and thrown all over). Why not set up a "joint" table to put them all on. The promoters could man it thru the course of the evening, answer ?'s for people, etc.
Another idea would be to have this "joint promotion" table at major events in the city. Artscape, Fells Point Fun Festival, Federal Hill Festival, Honfest, etc. Parties & venues could be promoted, CD's could be sold.. this could have all kinds of possibilities! And could also help put a positive spin on "the scene" to those uneducated about it.

This is a big idea, Lisa. Sounds like something you or Brad would be attuned towards. I know we could set something like this up at Delivery, and I think it would be a positive step towards building a larger EDM/dance/urban/nightlife scene in Baltimore.

[Foundation]

is the january stimulus schedule up yet?

[Light Touch]

*stifles chuckle*

[casper]

Tim,

You have way too much time on your hands!

[ProducerMDDCVA]

Dan, perhaps one Delivery we designate as 'networking heads' night. Since the bar upstairs isn't used we could fill it with fliers, and hopefully their promoters will be there. Alot of people are available to make it to delivery... plus, Ginseng is next door too...

So everyone can gather for an initial industry pow-wow.

thoughts?

[joenice]

Dan, perhaps one Delivery we designate as 'networking heads' night. Since the bar upstairs isn't used we could fill it with fliers, and hopefully their promoters will be there. Alot of people are available to make it to delivery... plus, Ginseng is next door too...

So everyone can gather for an initial industry pop-wow.

thoughts?

Good idea.

[sprklqueen]

Dan, perhaps one Delivery we designate as 'networking heads' night. Since the bar upstairs isn't used we could fill it with fliers, and hopefully their promoters will be there. Alot of people are available to make it to delivery... plus, Ginseng is next door too...

So everyone can gather for an initial industry pow-wow.

thoughts?
I liked "pop-wow" better! :neener:
there could be a designated "networking night" set up on a monthly basis & move it from party to party so everyone has a chance to also check out that party & the place it's held. Go on Brad.. add it to your list of "things to do"!

[Modern Breaks]

4 Words:

Timonium Fairgrounds, Convention Hall.


I haven't been following this too closely, but I do know that this venue was used by Ultraworld for NYE in like 1993. HUGE party, but got a bad rap on the news and has since been pretty much ruled out as a place to do a party :angryasian:


modern

[joenice]

I haven't been following this too closely, but I do know that this venue was used by Ultraworld for NYE in like 1993. HUGE party, but got a bad rap on the news and has since been pretty much ruled out as a place to do a party :angryasian:

Then again, it was 12 years ago. Times change. It's worth a chance.

If you dont ask the question, the answer is always no.

[DAVEILL1]

What really would a convention do to bring in new people to baltimore's sound. All the promoters / local Dj's / producers already network together prior to this thread. I don't think we need to come together as one, I think more people need to come out to hear local Dj's as mentioned earlier.

Threads like these are all talk

[djnumb]

What about Oregon Ridge Park? It is up near here, Timonium or Lutherville I think. I went to an outdoor party there a few years ago, with Cirrus, Big in Japan. The venue was large, and beautiful. Since, then I dont think they have hosted any parties. The event went off without any issues, so they might entertain having some EDM back.

[Foundation]

i wish i had time on my hands . . . i just have too many ideas . . .

redwood trust is open jan 22. for a party called syn. me an leni are spinning. there will be a stage show, and redecorations, and some vegas style surprises. The entry is cheep, too, so come support this one too.

[Foundation]

and check out dave ill and t.e.c. feb 3 at skylounge. . .

[DAVEILL1]

and check out dave ill and t.e.c. feb 3 at skylounge. . .

I'm looking forward to it :raveon:

[djnumb]

i wish i had time on my hands . . . i just have too many ideas . . .

redwood trust is open jan 22. for a party called syn. me an leni are spinning. there will be a stage show, and redecorations, and some vegas style surprises. The entry is cheep, too, so come support this one too.
Is there gonna be a website for this party?

[sprklqueen]

What really would a convention do to bring in new people to baltimore's sound. All the promoters / local Dj's / producers already network together prior to this thread. I don't think we need to come together as one, I think more people need to come out to hear local Dj's as mentioned earlier.

Threads like these are all talk
Not necessarily. I've already contacted Patterson Park about the possibilty of holding it there. I'd like to see it stay in the city, personally. Patterson Park is one option and Druid Hill Park is another. They already have the Pride Festival there each year & the zoo holds Zoomerang right there also, so they're used to a large festival.
As to what would this do to bring people in? A lot. As a music conference, I see it as educational for many. As an introduction, for many people that have never even heard dance music, there again .. an education. If, as I said in my previous post, you make it for dj's and musicians, get the media that's involved in music, and promote it to ALL people, it becomes an event to be attended by people of all walks of life that may discover "our" music. I play EDM in my store all the time and I can't tell you how many people, that have never heard it before, like it. But they're only hearing it for a short time & then "kinda forget" about it. If those same people came to an event, heard a lot of it, found out where they could go to hear more... they may become new customers for that club/venue, new fans of that dj, and new people to "the scene".
This could conceivably become a very big annual event.

[Light Touch]

It should be in the city.

Btw, it's okay to be small at first, and grow into something. It's better to be tight and strong than loose and weak.

[Demetrios]

and check out dave ill and t.e.c. feb 3 at skylounge. . .

I'm pretty sure I'm on that night now as well. Should be a fun one.

[sprklqueen]

Btw, it's okay to be small at first, and grow into something. It's better to be tight and strong than loose and weak.
Oh, I totally agree. It has to start small, but strong in order to grow into something big. Which is what I meant by conceivably being a big annual event. It has the possibility, as you & I talked about the other night, of growing into something the whole city can get behind. It'll take time to grow to that magnitude obviously, but run correctly and supported properly, it could finally put the music of B'more & the people that make it happen in the limelight, that I feel, has always been deserved.

[DAVEILL1]

Not necessarily. I've already contacted Patterson Park about the possibilty of holding it there. I'd like to see it stay in the city, personally. Patterson Park is one option and Druid Hill Park is another. They already have the Pride Festival there each year & the zoo holds Zoomerang right there also, so they're used to a large festival.
As to what would this do to bring people in? A lot. As a music conference, I see it as educational for many. As an introduction, for many people that have never even heard dance music, there again .. an education. If, as I said in my previous post, you make it for dj's and musicians, get the media that's involved in music, and promote it to ALL people, it becomes an event to be attended by people of all walks of life that may discover "our" music. I play EDM in my store all the time and I can't tell you how many people, that have never heard it before, like it. But they're only hearing it for a short time & then "kinda forget" about it. If those same people came to an event, heard a lot of it, found out where they could go to hear more... they may become new customers for that club/venue, new fans of that dj, and new people to "the scene".
This could conceivably become a very big annual event.


Patterson Park is your best bet , we looked into it last year and might be doing something there this year. All the best with your idea

[sprklqueen]

Patterson Park is your best bet , we looked into it last year and might be doing something there this year. All the best with your idea
Thanks. I heard back from them & they're very interested so I'm going to meet w/ them. We should talk if you're also planning something there so it doesn't conflict. You're in Butcher's Hill, right? Next time you're down in Fells, stop in my store so we can chat! I'm the flower shop on Fleet St in the 1900 block.

[Dj a.m.p.]

Good to see you at Exit last night Dan... the takeover continues!!! :ohshit: Mwuahahahaha!

Amp

[Dj a.m.p.]

Then again, it was 12 years ago. Times change. It's worth a chance.

If you dont ask the question, the answer is always no.

Hey joe, can I get that old milkcrate a' club... ?
:ontome:

amp

[Light Touch]

Good to see you at Exit last night Dan... the takeover continues!!! :ohshit: Mwuahahahaha!

Amp

No doubt -- nice to see you made it online.

The takeover is essential.

[Dj a.m.p.]

And quite necessary! Now bow down ya bitc... erm... well
:bowtodaking:

Yea... not really... :blah:

amp

[joenice]

Hey joe, can I get that old milkcrate a' club... ?
You're out of your damn mind.

Someone drank too much cough syrup this morning.

[Foundation]

http://www.amevents.net

jan 22

[ggfab]

i wish i had time on my hands . . . i just have too many ideas . . .

redwood trust is open jan 22. for a party called syn. me an leni are spinning. there will be a stage show, and redecorations, and some vegas style surprises. The entry is cheep, too, so come support this one too.


couplathingz...

Tim, I know you haven't enough time on your hands and I think your ideas are respectable.

A convention in Baltimore would be an excellent idea and I would be glad to participate.
There is so much talent in and around Baltimore that doesn't get near enough visibility and appreciation.


I think, moreover, an especially significant reason to conduct an event such as the one you're suggesting is to create a collaboration of promoters in a collective effort to combine wisdom and create an unstoppable party throwing family! We all need to be working together to make things right in this city. :respekt:


:daking:

[Modern Breaks]

I am only reading bits and pieces of this thread, but what do you mean about working together with other promoters to throw events?? do you mean all the promoters chipping in dolllar amounts on a particular party and seeing how it goes? or something more simple like allowing fliers for another saturday night party at YOUR OWN saturday night party.

the idea of working together is great. no doubt. but i have been involved in the scene for over ten years and it has never once happened. well, no, once. odyssey at the armory. ultraworld and buzz together. that is ALL! But it has been talked about many, many, many times.

this field is very competitive. we are all competing for the same small crowd of only a few hundred or two thousand tops. and if anyone gets two thousand, they are not all from baltimore or even dc.

if you guys are serious. lay out the specifics. don't fuck around. and then, act on it. too many people bluff in this scene and that does nothing but aggravate us further.

peace
modern

[Modern Breaks]

oregon ridge has never worked. it has been used multiple times and failed every time. the only way i see that place ever working is to put a stellar dj there like sasha or oakenfold. and then you need a name behind you as powerful as buzz. in reality, it is far and out of the way. we are creatures of habit. we go to the same places and we don't like to travel far (at least not now while parties are a dime a dozen). but i will agree though, it would be a sweet spot...if only people would go.

peace
modern

[sprklqueen]

There are two completely different ideas being discussed in this thread.
#1... to have a monthly networking/promoter party night. The venue and night would change each month giving all the "parties" a chance to participate. An area would be set up for promoters/dj's to distribute fliers, CD's, meet, and talk to other promoters/dj's and party attendees. This gives everyone a chance to "spread the word" about their party. Done in a jointly supportive manner so when the "average party goer" attends, they say... how cool is this, these guys all work together to throw down some awesome parties!
#2... the 1st annual Baltimore Music Conference. A one, maybe two, day event set up to
specifically promote the music scene here in B'more. Staging areas will be set up highlighting dj's, and local radio stations will be highlighting bands that play their music format. Vendor spaces will be available for dj's, musicians, clubs/venues, food, and items that are music related. Seminars will be held during the event. Producers, recording studios, and record companies will all be invited to participate. Promotion will go up to NY, down to Fla, and all in between. The concept behind this is to invite ALL people to the event. This introduces and educates people to the scene as it is today. This brings new people into (the scene) and more people to attend the parties. If run profesionally and cohesively, it can only have a positive outcome.
So those are the basics of both ideas. Those of you that know me, know that I'm not
BSing around about it. I've laid some groundwork on it. I'm meeting with Patterson Park this week to discuss dates & specifics for the conference. I've talked to one producer briefly and we’ll be discussing it thoroughly once the date is set. I’m talking with friends that are “local boy makes good” in the music industry to see what involvement their schedules allow and what contacts they can provide me. Print media will be asked to help sponsor this as they have a vested interest in the music scene for income, from advertising by those partipating, down the road. Beverage distributors will be asked for the same reason... income for them down the road. This is a win/win situation for all those that become involved. DJ’s/musicians/bands acquire new followers, clubs/venues acquire new patrons, radio stations/print media acquire new listeners/readers, people acquire and discover new music tastes... everyone benefits!
I have you guys to thank as this idea literally came to me as I was responding to earlier posts in this thread, but I believe it to be a good one. I think, no, I know, it can work. But I’ll need you all to work with me to make it happen. If you have suggestions about either of these... let me know. Since they’re both in the early planning stages, we’ll gladly listen to you, the people that have been doing this for years. This is definitely not just talk because most importantly... I WANT to do this. I love you guys and I love the whole scene we all so strongly believe in. I know the talent that’s here in B’more, I see and hear it all the time... I just want everyone else to know.

[Modern Breaks]

well, i just don't see the big clubs allowing any kind of networking...ie, sonar, club one, 1722. and those are the only clubs with big enough atttendences for it to matter or worth doing. on the small scale, it is def a good idea, but i think in the end we would only be marketing the same heard of cattle again and again.

modern

[Modern Breaks]

a convention would be hard. where would you host it? the baltimore convention center?? how many people do you expect to attract?

a friend hosts the anime convention every august downtown. i could talk to her to get specifics about what goes into getting the place or if thier world would be interested in joinging ours. they might actually as there is a big ass rave at the end of the day on friday and saturday.

modern

[psion's gate]

Everyone should keep in mind that Baltimore has been ruled by Fever and Ultraworld for years. We are in a unique spot now that is different from any other time. I have NEVER seen as many edm events happening around town as now. Sonar has fortunately found its niche, and this allows the rest of us space. Big names don't count for much around here anymore, fortunately, because now we have the space to make our own djs big. It's already happening. Everything we're talking about here is already happening, and that's what sets us apart from the past. We may be talking, but there's just as much doing going down as well.
To address some ideas directly:
Networking/promoting: There's always been a fine line between these two. I've seen so many people networking ONLY for promoting. They could care less about what others were doing unless they were getting something out of it. This selfishness has held us down SO long, and I am really using restraint here to not use offensive language or call anyone out. I'm past that, and so should be everyone else. I see a natural drift towards erasing this line. Out of NECESSITY, this method is OUT.

The idea to have a monthly spotlight at different parties is a good one. I can't tell you how difficult it is to promote in Baltimore. You can't put flyers at Sonar, cause they don't want competition. The rest of us don't care about competition. We're interested in cooperation. People need to know about events to go to them. Passing out flyers is a way, yet not too many people are going to actually attend these events they see flyers for unless they feel a hype around it by other people. Humans move in packs, and go where everyone else is going. If you go into a party and see this whole set up with flyers, cds, and people all around the table excited about what's going down, then you get closer to those you're promoting to. Club goers may have seen your face a bunch of times, may have seen you on the decks, may have always wanted to say hi. Now they have a chance to start a relationship with those already involved. We will see many people not involved now, getting involved once they feel comfortable.

Baltimore music conference: Our best bet here is to make this an all inclusive event. Which means all types of music and walks of life. Baltimore is known for its street festivals and increadible art/music community. We can certainly use another! I would suggest this event being free to all to attend. I mean FREE. It should be set up in such a way that it is sponsored to cover costs. I could even get the company I work for, Fandango events, to utilize their Baltimore based talents to create the event. This offers them support as well, and I would work for FREE. I know a number of people involved in SOWEBO fest, and I'm sure they would be game to volunteer. I would also suggest the event be outside during the spring/summer, preferably early in summer to really hype up the scene for the summer, which in turn, set us up for a successful winter, which is the slowest time of year for edm events.
I'm confident that if we start planning this NOW, as appears to be reality, then we can draw from other cities, which is important. There are a number of movers in DC that could certainly help us with that, and would be happy to do so.

I will be going to Florida for work on Tuesday afternoon, and will not be around this week. I apoligize in advance for my absence from the events I always attend and others I will soon attend. Of course, I couldn't turn down a trip to Florida! Never been there.

peace and more beats!
JustJosh signing off,
*on vacation*

[Modern Breaks]

well, on that note, perhpas you guys should talk to chris brooks about artscape this year. i can't think of a better, bigger, free event in baltimroe to showcase your stuff. 250,000 in attendence each year over 3 days.

modern


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[Light Touch]

well, on that note, perhpas you guys should talk to chris brooks about artscape this year. i can't think of a better, bigger, free event in baltimroe to showcase your stuff. 250,000 in attendence each year over 3 days.

modern


:bowtodaking:

Joe, I don't think piggybacking off of an event with a different theme is the proper approach. We're trying to establish a scene, not just get people to like what we do. That already happens, when one of us gets some random Friday night or Saturday night gig at a borderline venue and some interesting non-EDM people show up.

Building a scene is a different venture altogether, and takes vision and positivity to see into fruition. Sure, Baltimore is dominated by Sonar and One, and by all of the "mainstream" venues. But just because Club Choices or Hammerjacks are running the club music scene, you don't see folks just packing it in and playing at the Harford County Farm Festival -- people get inventive, network, and try to push their vision. Hip-hop/rap is such a strong force in this country because of the strong DIY ethic in up-and-coming artists.

You're right about people fighting over a small audience -- I think it's silly that the EDM scene does that. It's a well-known rule in psychology: if you speak as if you think people look down at you, guess what -- they'll look down at you. We need to stop viewing the EDM scene as some illegitimate music scene for "weird" people who like to dance. This is part of Sonar's success -- Lonnie doesn't market Sonar as some weird underground club. It is that. But it's a club that's open for others, who might want to try something different, instead of top 40 cheese, thugged out hip-hop, and meatmarket dry humping.

The problem is that the turnover in the EDM scene is excessive. Few nights are successful and long-running -- every party seems like a flash in the pan. We don't need some uber-night to come along and unite the scene, nor to wring our hands and stay in our shadowy recesses. We need positivity and working together. Instead of throwing out another venue/night's flyers, we need to represent for our scene, and treat it like it's worth something. Too often, it's a matter of making your part of the tiny scene the biggest crumb -- it's not about growing anything of value. I don't want people to come to Delivery in lieu of going to Home, or Stimulus, or Galaxy, or SpyClub, or Exit, or whatever. I want new people to see what we have going on, and check out all of the nights, and see what we, together, are made of. Genre wars, venue wars, and the like are a waste of time and destructive to what we're trying to do.

Lisa: I think your idea is great. This sort of thing is exactly what Baltimore needs.

[sprklqueen]

Uhhh, guys. :grouphug: I think we're all reading the same book here... we just need to get on the same page. I think it's great that this thread has sparked so much enthusiasm, excitement, and passion for something we all obviously love... the music. I agree we talk to Chris and yeah, I'll talk to Lonnie, Michael, Louie, & Brian (Sonar, 1722, Hammerjacks, & One), not about piggybacking off their events but about cross-promoting them all. They may not go for it, but maybe they will.
As I've said, I want to do the conference to highlight the whole music scene in B'more. Having the radio stations, Music Monthly, & City Paper involved brings the musicians and bands into the mix. Having that mix brings in the people to attend something new that will also bring EDM out in front of people. Not that I want it to go mainstream **shudder**, but I agree w/ Dan that the negative reputation has to be changed. Artscape having the dj stage opened that door, this conference could take everyone through it.
Joe, I would like to talk to your friend that does the anime convention as she also could have some good input & valuable insight. Josh (have fun in Fla), I'd love to get Fandango involved, perhaps they can also be a sponsor. We'll need them (sponsors) to cover the costs... permits, electric, portapotties, advertising.. the list goes on. I plan to make the event itself free to the public. The seminars may be a different story. This is not going to be cheap to do, nor will it be thrown together. As much as I'd love to do it in early summer, I think we need more time to do it right. I'm shooting for late August/early September actually. I'll know more after talking to the people at the park, checking the convention schedule & the city calendars . Once I've done all that, I'd like to set up a brainstorming session w/ you guys, and anyone that's interested in really helping make this work. We can throw it all up against the wall & see what sticks! I value all of your opinions & we'll take them all in to consideration as this unfolds. :breaksP:

[Modern Breaks]

[JOe, I don't think piggybacking off of an event with a different theme is the proper approach. We're trying to establish a scene, not just get people to like what we do. That already happens, when one of us gets some random Friday night or Saturday night gig at a borderline venue and some interesting non-EDM people show up.]

I wouldn't call that piggybacking. I call it working together. It is the biggest fesival of the year and Chris has a gigantic stage for EDM. The whole area could be taken to a new level with all promters there representing their parties and dj's. cd's can be sold, given away, shirts promoted, the whole nine yards. it is the one weekend of the year to reach the entire city and market dance music as simply dance music....just another avenue...not just for weird people as you say.


[Building a scene is a different venture altogether, and takes vision and positivity to see into fruition.]


Every move you make, every move I make, evey move joe blow makes, every move anyone makes goes into building a scene...as long as it is positive of course. Every flier printed, every ad in the city paper, every bit of talk about our local heroes (ie charles), every cd distributed, etc, goes into building the scene. it is what we are all doing, every day, without thought. and slowly over time, more and more people experience it. you might think it is bad now, but you should have seen it in the early 90's! rave and edm was un-heard of!! at least now, most colleges are exposed to it and it is slowly making it's way. we've come along way allready and it continues to grow. look at hip hop. it wasn't an overnight sensation. but now 20 years later, it's bigger than big. but each rap artist did his thing, and they threw parties, and they stuck together. they made it happen. slowly, over time, we all got exposed to it. so it seems to me that the real issue is "how do we strengthen the scene." the framework is there and the building blocks are down. how do we grow? how do we advance forward. and that is where creativity and vision will come into play. positive results have allready come forth

[You're right about people fighting over a small audience -- I think it's silly that the EDM scene does that.]

really, it's just because the audience is still small overall and now that we have subdivided ourselves into house clubs, breaks clubs, and D&B clubs, the audience we worked so hard to build is now split in three. in the beginning everyone went to one party. there were not 4 clubs to choose from and in that one party, we got it all. house, breaks, D&B, and even in those days...a chill out area. granted the audiences continues to grow, but they are still divided.


[The problem is that the turnover in the EDM scene is excessive. Few nights are successful and long-running -- every party seems like a flash in the pan. We don't need some uber-night to come along and unite the scene, nor to wring our hands and stay in our shadowy recesses. We need positivity and working together. Instead of throwing out another venue/night's flyers, we need to represent for our scene, and treat it like it's worth something. Too often, it's a matter of making your part of the tiny scene the biggest crumb -- it's not about growing anything of value. I don't want people to come to Delivery in lieu of going to Home, or Stimulus, or Galaxy, or SpyClub, or Exit, or whatever. I want new people to see what we have going on, and check out all of the nights, and see what we, together, are made of. Genre wars, venue wars, and the like are a waste of time and destructive to what we're trying to do.]


the average life span of a new member of the scene is 6 months. they come in, they get fucked up, and then they dissapear. happens time and time again. but out of every ten, at least 2 or 3 stay. that is one reason for turnover. also keep in mind people change with the seasons. people may hit sonar all fall, then in winter start going to buzz, then in spring start hitting one, and in the summmer start traveling or vacationing. by summer, sonar thinks "waht happened to all those kids last fall? where they go??" and they really didn't go anywhere. they are just experiencing all the scene has to offer just as you described here. they are checking out all the nights and enjoying them for a few weeks and then moving on. those that stay, find true friends there and something to be a part of. and in the end that is all the scene is, for alot of people....somethign to be a part of. for many is short lived, and for some, it is permanent.

the same goes for a club. the average life span of a party is 6 months. start strong, go for a while...usually a season(3 months) and then start to die. for the first month they think it will bounce back then into the second month, they think, "shit, this is just not working", and the third month, they hang it up. very few clubs or parties have survived the test of time. fever and buzz are two of the most notable ones lasting 6 and 10 years. that is just amazing. and we are fortuante enought to live here and enjoy that. if more club owners were willing to gamble, we probably could have more longer lasting parties, but as a business, they just can't go week after week not making money. fever and buzz never had anything to loose. only gain. beacause of that, they kept going knowing it could only ever get better

peace
modern

[Foundation]

look out, some one sicked lisa on this. get em, get em oooh, get em.

at this rate, something big is gonna happen

[Foundation]

* An old Indian chief sat in his hut on the reservation, smoking a
>ceremonial pipe and eying two U.S. government officials sent to interview
>him.
> >
> >** "Chief Two Eagles," asked one official, "You have observed the white
>man for 90 years. You've seen his wars and his material wealth. You've seen
>his progress, and his failures."
> >
> >** The chief nodded in agreement. The official continued, "Considering
>all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?"
> >
> >** The chief stared at the government officials for over a minute and
>then calmly replied, "When white man found the land, Indians were running
>it. No taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, women did all the
>work, medicine man free, Indian man spent all day hunting and fishing, all
>night having sex."
> >
> >** Then the chief inhaled from his pipe, leaned back, slowly exhaled and
>watched the smoke rise into the air. With a twinkle in his steel gray eyes
>he ever so slightly smiled and said, "Only white man dumb enough to think
>he could improve system like that."

[Light Touch]

Joe --

Yeah, I'm just saying that if we're going to really work this thing, it's important to have something that we can call "ours". Not an EDM stage, but an EDM event.

I also don't expect venues to go on making little money, but when we can have success at a venue that the venue did not normally have (out-of-the-way venues, off-nights, etc.), we make ourselves valuable and wanted. That's what I was getting at earlier in the thread when I said we need to be conscious of the business dynamics of what we do. Warehouse parties are little risk, little reward; small clubs are moderate risk (demands of generating money), moderate reward (new ears); large clubs are high risk, high reward. With the exception of Sonar, I'm not sure the risk/reward of EDM works on a large club level.

I agree re: genre divisions -- they are what harmed the scene the most in the last 5 or so years.

I'm not saying that Artscape is a bad idea, btw -- I just think that we need a standalone event.

[Modern Breaks]

and edm event of our own would be great. is baltimore ready for it? tough to say it is. but then again, starscape goes over rather well each year.


plus i think working with artscape will help reach a broader audience. one that would never go to an exclusive edm event. why do you think concerts like hfs have vendors from sprint, bacardi, nestle, hair products, etc. cus theyare reaching a huge mass of people at one time...all from different backgrounds, age, etc. you want to draw other people in. look at hip hop again. they didn't just market to the blacks, but to the whites as well and now everyone listens to it. just takes time is all.

peace
modern

[sprklqueen]

look out, some one sicked lisa on this. get em, get em oooh, get em.

at this rate, something big is gonna happen
You know me too well!! But as usual, I put myself on it :funshine:

Yeah, I'm just saying that if we're going to really work this thing, it's important to have something that we can call "ours". Not an EDM stage, but an EDM event.

We also need to work any EDM stages at every opportunity. And yeah, we're gonna work it!

and edm event of our own would be great. is baltimore ready for it? tough to say it is. but then again, starscape goes over rather well each year.

I don't know if B'more's ready for it, but we certainly are. If Starscape is any indication, I'd venture to say, it's ready.

[sprklqueen]

plus i think working with artscape will help reach a broader audience. one that would never go to an exclusive edm event. why do you think concerts like hfs have vendors from sprint, bacardi, nestle, hair products, etc. cus theyare reaching a huge mass of people at one time...all from different backgrounds, age, etc. you want to draw other people in. look at hip hop again. they didn't just market to the blacks, but to the whites as well and now everyone listens to it. just takes time is all.
peace
modern
Agreed.. cross promoting works. That's also why I suggest this to be all music... to bring the crossover.

[Light Touch]

We also need to work any EDM stages at every opportunity. And yeah, we're gonna work it!

Absolutely. :D

[Chef Roy R Dee]

I'm diggin' this conversation!
you ALL make excellent and valid points. it takes positive action to get a positive reaction.
if there's anything that I can do, and I'm fuckin' serious, please, let me know.
I've been in the scene for a long time,.........through it's up's, and it's down's.
I'm game

[ggfab]

I think a very important subject that was touched on in the past few posts is the fact that ultraworld and such "organizations" have been responsible for holding down Baltimore.

I also believe it's time for a change.

Bringing professional, independant, motivated promoters (most with production companies of their own) together in a team effort would only be an asset to this great city. Baltimore can be everything if we put our heads together.


I know I have some ideas...


It's fairly simple. *mafia*

[sprklqueen]

I'm diggin' this conversation!
you ALL make excellent and valid points. it takes positive action to get a positive reaction.
if there's anything that I can do, and I'm fuckin' serious, please, let me know.
I've been in the scene for a long time,.........through it's up's, and it's down's.
I'm game
and you're in! There will be plenty to do once we set things in motion. Since you've offered.. we'll take you up on it! :bravo: thank you.

[ggfab]

lady! check out the thread for 2.03.05 THE VERSE ~ Indulgent Party- you are on it sis.
Flyers will be out by Thursday.

[Chef Roy R Dee]

and you're in! There will be plenty to do once we set things in motion. Since you've offered.. we'll take you up on it! :bravo: thank you.
:grouphug: no prob
check your pm's

[DAVEILL1]

I think a Baltimore fan zine would help out our scene. LG's retina filled me in with all kinds of cool EDM info back in the day and kept me up to date with the local parties and Dj's. I currently work with Bassline Magazine and Ive been thinking about what a fan zine would be like for this area. The printing cost would be the biggest issue , content would be no problem at all.

[Foundation]

you could host an online fanzine at www.foundationbaltimore.com i have plenty of webspace...

[DAVEILL1]

you could host an online fanzine at www.foundationbaltimore.com i have plenty of webspace...

Thanks for the offer : )

It would definitly need to be printed up though to a actual paper magazine to distribute at records stores , genre related retail stores , clubs etc.

My only concern would be how to get an accurate non baised representation of the scene with it not costing an arm and leg for the people that want to be represented in it.

[sprklqueen]

My only concern would be how to get an accurate non baised representation of the scene with it not costing an arm and leg for the people that want to be represented in it.

maybe talk to the people at Music Monthly about it. They seem to be more band/live music oriented but branch out into the EDM world once in awhile. They may be interested in, or maybe helping to, publish a secondary newspaper JUST for EDM or maybe they'd expand their coverage of it more if requested enough.
Just a thought :kapluto:

[Modern Breaks]

zines come and go. they are great, but the problem is that nobody can ever afford to keep them running. even apple had to cancel her paper.

i know the writer for music monthly who does all the edm stuff. I'll talk to her and see what she suggests.

modern

[sprklqueen]

How awesome is it that this thread has sparked the ideas and begun the planning of a networking/promo monthly party, a music conference, and now we're talking about a zine that could help pull it all even more together. :bravo:

[Chef Roy R Dee]

awesome

[ProducerMDDCVA]

Lisa, lets get it rolling. You know you and I are a go, and we know many others are a go. and even if people have doubts, I bet they'll show up and wish they were more involved from the get go.

The monthly networking event can be held at The Depot (1728 n charles) and XS (1307 n charles) anytime.

The BEDMC: soon, we'll designate a big meeting for this. All who want to be involved will voice their ideas. I honestly feel that it will work... and much easier than imagined..... Our scene operates in waves... and they gear up to what is hot...... has anyone recently noticed that the idea of promoters and club goers banding together to support, that's what gonna be hot come spring.

[sprklqueen]

Meeting w/ Patterson Park tomorrow afternoon. We'll look at dates, get all the particulars & then we're def a go!

[Dj a.m.p.]

has anyone recently noticed that the idea of promoters and club goers banding together to support, that's what gonna be hot come spring.

No... who's doing that? :hifive: STOP PLAYIN' NUCCA! On the real, lets make it happen.

[ProducerMDDCVA]

No... who's doing that? :hifive: STOP PLAYIN' NUCCA! On the real, lets make it happen.

No one's doing that... yet. But once Baltimore promoters see this is the only way it will work, it'll be the next big thing

[Foundation]

:specialed:

[The Jezereck]

WOW, its great to see so many people excited about all this, def..ly let me know what I can do to help!

[DragonLady]

I think a Baltimore fan zine would help out our scene. LG's retina filled me in with all kinds of cool EDM info back in the day and kept me up to date with the local parties and Dj's. I currently work with Bassline Magazine and Ive been thinking about what a fan zine would be like for this area. The printing cost would be the biggest issue , content would be no problem at all.


great idea!

[sprklqueen]

WOW, its great to see so many people excited about all this, def..ly let me know what I can do to help!
Oh, you'll def be getting a call to help! :yes:

[retail]

Meeting w/ Patterson Park tomorrow afternoon. We'll look at dates, get all the particulars & then we're def a go!


how did it go, lisa? :bonk:

[sprklqueen]

how did it go, lisa? :bonk:
They're all for it. Need to start finding sponsors to cover costs that it'll take. No electricity there so we need generators for everything.. big $$$'s to do all we want. Working on the proposal letter for that now. The good news is that everyone I talk to about this wants to get involved, from dj's to clubs, to producers, to musicians. The park is willing to help w/ all the permits, etc so we're moving forward. I'll keep you posted!
Oh, & I finally saw the new car.. verry nice!

[Chef Roy R Dee]

I love this shit!
Keep it goin'!

[ladymaroo]

:bbjohnson:

[Chef Roy R Dee]

you know it!
we need more amazingly fuckin' positive threads like these!
almost every post in this thread has a positive outlook and benefits the future of our scene!
I love it!

[Yakko Red]

start a part 2

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