"turn Your Back On Bush", jan 20th peaceful protest

[Diggy-D]

The election is over. The fight is not.

Elections are only one part of democracy. We need to think strategically about direct action, learn from a rich history of nonviolent activism, and develop new tactics to take on this administration.

Let's start from the start: Inauguration Day.

On January 20th, 2005, we're calling for a new kind of action. The Bush administration has been successful at keeping protesters away from major events in the last few years by closing off areas around events and using questionable legal strategies to outlaw public dissent. We can use these obstacles to develop new tactics. On Inauguration day, we don't need banners, we don't need signs, we just need people.

We're calling on people to attend inauguration as they are: members of the public. Once through security and at the procession, at a given signal, we'll all turn our backs on Bush. A simple, clear and coherent message.

http://www.turnyourbackonbush.org/index.html


site also has a rideshare link, http://www.drivingvotes.org/triplistings.php?ref=tybb

[zartan]

i'm up for this especially given my loud protest of bush's inauguration last time will probably get me sent to a "free speech prison" if repeated.

[evey]

Shit. I don't need one day for this. I turn my back on him every day!

[evey]

Also, there should be t-shirts.

[MaryAnarchy]

this is the most retarded idea i've ever read.

the end.

[Kif]

this is the most retarded idea i've ever read.

the end.
? are you serious? :slap:

[nyhope]

it sounds better than doing nothing.

[evey]

Maybe they can moon the motorcade?

[MaryAnarchy]

? are you serious? :slap:

yes.

then again, although i didn't vote, i would have voted for bush if i did.

*ducks*

[MaryAnarchy]

Maybe they can moon the motorcade?


now your'e talking

[MaryAnarchy]

it sounds better than doing nothing.


this is true, and it's also better than staging some sort of violent protest.

i just think it's silly.

[zartan]

this is better than rioting

[retail]

*ducks*

http://www.duck-race.nl/grafisch/Glowing%20Derby%20Ducks.jpg

[nyhope]

amen eric.

or planning a protest that gets moved 10 miles away for "national security" concerns

[Kif]

yes.

then again, although i didn't vote, i would have voted for bush if i did.

*ducks*
*shakes head* well, that's your choice. But you have to admit that as far as protesting goes, this is very well thought out, and not violent. Of course...knowing Bush, if this does happen, he's going to try and get the ones with their backs turned to him arrested for something. Probably claim that they are terrists.

[MaryAnarchy]

http://www.duck-race.nl/grafisch/Glowing%20Derby%20Ducks.jpg


rave ducks!

awesome.

you win.

[retail]

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[Sheisty McFuckerton]

this is better than rioting
Better for the cause? yes.

More fun? ABSOLUTELY NOT

[MaryAnarchy]

*shakes head* well, that's your choice. But you have to admit that as far as protesting goes, this is very well thought out, and not violent. Of course...knowing Bush, if this does happen, he's going to try and get the ones with their backs turned to him arrested for something. Probably claim that they are terrists.


i feel bad for you if you really believe that is going to happen.

[Skandar]

i feel bad for you if you really believe that is going to happen.

He really does. And his mom is sorry, too.

[Kif]

i feel bad for you if you really believe that is going to happen.
so you don't think that people have been wrongly arrested since Bush has taken office with his Patriot Acts and laws of the sort?

[MaryAnarchy]

i think people have been wrongfully arrested since the beginning of time.

please, show me links of where people have been arrested wrongfully because of the patriot act and laws of the sort.

saying people will get arrested because of turning their backs is a bit...exaggerative. is that even a word?

[BizarroCub]

get arrested because of turning their backs is a bit...exaggerative. is that even a word?

I have video and have seen many videos of people peacefully protesting, sitting on the ground together and having police come up and spray mace right in their faces and arrest them.

It happens.

[Kif]

i think people have been wrongfully arrested since the beginning of time.

please, show me links of where people have been arrested wrongfully because of the patriot act and laws of the sort.

saying people will get arrested because of turning their backs is a bit...exaggerative. is that even a word?
I know of a specific story of someone who was arrested for saying they wanted bodily harm to come to the president. Sure, that's not something that should be taken lightly, but you know...that completely goes against the Freedom of Speach. I also remember reading an article of something similar happening in Portland. A guy in a bar told a joke where the punch line was a burning Bush. I believe he got 3 years.

[Skandar]

A very good friend of mine was arrested at an anti-bush protest in NYC about a year ago or so. He was held in jail for 24 hours with no charge and was not allowed to contact any family members or a lawyer.

[MaryAnarchy]

i have also heard stories, from the "protesters" themselves of protesters who don't even know what they're protesting, who just like going somewhere and beating on cops and breaking windows.

me: "what exactly were you protesting at this"
them: " i don't know. they're just bad"
Me: "why"
them: "because they are. i dunno"

there are cases of dumbass cops, just as there are cases of dumbass protesters. these things happen, and will continue to happen. bush has nothing to do with it.

[MaryAnarchy]

I know of a specific story of someone who was arrested for saying they wanted bodily harm to come to the president. Sure, that's not something that should be taken lightly, but you know...that completely goes against the Freedom of Speach. I also remember reading an article of something similar happening in Portland. A guy in a bar told a joke where the punch line was a burning Bush. I believe he got 3 years.


speech.

i'd like to see documentation of these, i'd be interested in reading up on them.

secondhand stories don't really cut it.

[AmandaHuie]

SATURDAY by King Missile

I want to be different, like everybody else I want to be like
I want to be just like all the different people
I have no further interest in being the same,
because I have seen difference all around,
and now I know that that's what I want
I don't want to blend in and be indistinguishable,
I want to be a part of the different crowd,
and assert my individuality along with the others
who are different like me
I don't want to be identical to anyone or anything
I don't even want to be identical to myself
I want to look in the mirror and wonder,
"who is that person? I've never seen that person before;
I've never seen anyone like that before."
I want to call into question thevery idea that
identity can be attached
I want a floating, shifting, ever changing persona:
Invisibility and obscurity,
detachment from the ego and all of it's pursuits.
Unity is useless
Comformity is competitive and divisive and leads only to
stagnation and death.
If what I'm saying doesn't make any sense,
that's because sense can not be made
It's something that must be sensed
And I, for one, am incensed by all this complacency
Why oppose war only when there's a war?
Why defend the clinics only when they're attacked?
Why are we always reactive?
Let's activate something
Let's fuck shit up
Whatever happened to revolution for the hell of it?
Whatever happened to protesting nothing in particular, just
protesting cause it's Saturday and there's nothing else to do?

[BizarroCub]

there are cases of dumbass cops, just as there are cases of dumbass protesters. these things happen, and will continue to happen. bush has nothing to do with it.

Yeah, cause usually when there's protests in NYC they cordone off chunks of city blocks, arrest people without warning or charge, and then have to have the supreme court step in and say "Hey...you can't do that..."

That happens all the time...

[Kif]

speech.

i'd like to see documentation of these, i'd be interested in reading up on them.

secondhand stories don't really cut it.
thank you for finding my typo.

http://www.boingboing.net/2004/08/30/rncnyc_update_on_arr.html

http://xpat.org/archives/000330.html

I can't find the specific story I was talking about (the joke one) It happened about 2 years ago. The second one is family of a friend of mine...their aunt. I'm going to believe that second hand story.

[BizarroCub]

There was also a Bikers againist Bush incident in baltimore too. A bunch of friends were at it. The cops almost got some of em killed. It was fucked.

[MaryAnarchy]

thanks for the links :D

i skimmed over them.

that sucks. in all cases.

[MaryAnarchy]

There was also a Bikers againist Bush incident in baltimore too. A bunch of friends were at it. The cops almost got some of em killed. It was fucked.


wellllllllllllll

water soluable chalk or not, they WERE defacing public property.

[LilLemur416]

I'll try to find articles - but I wanted to see if anyone remembered the stories (I believe they're true - but I totally understand other people disagreeing until they have proof) about the protestors in NYC over the Convention this past August/September. I was up there on business (I work for a predominantely Republican company that sent 90% of the Government Affairs department to the convention) and remember reading something about people being arrested and held for participating in legal, peaceful protests (with permits and all)

[ao125]

this is better than rioting

To me it isn't... please, for the love of God, get every single crystal-gripping, tree-hugging, liberal fruitcake out there and riot in the streets of DC around 8am so I don't have to go to work.

[MaryAnarchy]

i just think a lot of times in cases like these stories get blown out of proportion as they get passed along, which is why i like reading about them.

[BizarroCub]

I'll try to find articles - but I wanted to see if anyone remembered the stories (I believe they're true - but I totally understand other people disagreeing until they have proof) about the protestors in NYC over the Convention this past August/September. I was up there on business (I work for a predominantely Republican company that sent 90% of the Government Affairs department to the convention) and remember reading something about people being arrested and held for participating in legal, peaceful protests (with permits and all)

Yeah...that's what I was talking about...

[MaryAnarchy]

To me it isn't... please, for the love of God, get every single crystal-gripping, tree-hugging, liberal fruitcake out there and riot in the streets of DC around 8am so I don't have to go to work.

*snicker*

[LilLemur416]

To me it isn't... please, for the love of God, get every single crystal-gripping, tree-hugging, liberal fruitcake out there and riot in the streets of DC around 8am so I don't have to go to work.

Please don't! I work right across the street from the white house & I'll have to be at work no matter what... Stupid corporate office in Wichita doesn't care about what's going on here - we're expected to be here everyday at 8:30 no matter what (people walked here in the snow during those really bad storms 2 years ago????)

[NYGblue]

i have also heard stories, from the "protesters" themselves of protesters who don't even know what they're protesting, who just like going somewhere and beating on cops and breaking windows.

me: "what exactly were you protesting at this"
them: " i don't know. they're just bad"
Me: "why"
them: "because they are. i dunno"

there are cases of dumbass cops, just as there are cases of dumbass protesters. these things happen, and will continue to happen. bush has nothing to do with it.

Those are called anarchists... No one really pays them much credence except for the media and Presidential administrations (including Clinton) to discredit protesters... :yap:

[MaryAnarchy]

yeah
they're idiots that ruin protests for the normal people.

although, the only people in any setup that get the attention are the crazy extreme ones.

[ao125]

Nah... it will be a one-shot deal. They'll mess up traffic, get arrested, and everything will be fine by lunch.

[BizarroCub]

Those are called anarchists... No one really pays them much credence except for the media and Presidential administrations (including Clinton) to discredit protesters... :yap:

Further, a lot of the accusations are bullshit, for example, friends of mine were at the protests in Seattle when the "anarchists" showed up.

A.) The people weren't anarchists. None of the Seattle anarchists even knew where those folks came from.
B.) They have footage of the whole incident and the entire crowd around them was yelling and trying to stop those people.
C.) The police went WAY over the line and they were the ones that incited the riots and it wasn't the so called "anarchists". If you saw some of the shit on these tapes, you'd be fucking appaled.

[NYGblue]

for good conspiracy theory: those people were probably hired by the government... lol

[MaryAnarchy]

my protester/anarchist/whatever friend acted appaled when the police handcuffed him after he started smashing up a car and trying to storm the building they were protesting.

he thought it was funny.

sometimes people irritate me

anyways time to leave work. thanks for the somewhat intelligent buzzboard convos :D

[2TuffCrew]

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http://www.internationalanswer.org

the J20 protests are going to be massive - believe that. i too was there at the 2001 inauguration, was with a bunch of friends right at Freedom Plaza - Pennsylvania & 13th Street - it was intense, a real coalition of people from the right & the left. anarchists & trade unionists. socialists & immigrant rights groups. environmentalists & gay rights activists. it was an awesome day (cold as shit & rainy, but that didn't matter) - the vibes were thick, drum circles, chanting, speeches, and all that. and yes, that's when bush became the first president ever to hide inside of his limo and speed down pennsylvania avenue like the cowardly thief that he is. we were right there in the thick of it when the eggs got thrown, and just down penn. avenue at the navy memorial people were being illegally arrested & detained. who knows what will happen this time around. who cares though, FUCK BUSH!!! for real - this bastard is gonna get impeached this time around, believe that. J20 will be off the hook. these back-turning people sound cool, i like their idea - original & provocative. i will most likely be with a bit more radical of a bloc on that day - go figure, right?........

for resources, info, links, action boards & more check out:
http://www.internationalanswer.org


**disclaimer: i am neither a member of ANSWER nor do i 100% endorse all of their tactics/goals/cadre - i do however support what they are doing and stand with them in solidarity. while they may not be a perfect organization, they are highly organized, can secure permits, have resources & and are effective at executing direct action events. they will be bringing in busloads of people from as far away as chicago for the J20 protests. big ups to them for that!

[BizarroCub]

for good conspiracy theory: those people were probably hired by the government... lol

Actually...the people I talked to thinked that they were a bunch of kids from a small town outside of Seattle that came in to cause problems.

Anarchists tend to get a bad rep and a lot of it is founded on things that just ain't true, so I gotta defend em. Specially since most anarchists I know are also the most peacenik folks I know. Considering that violence and destruction of property represent two of the strongest forms of opporesion and tyranny.

[LilLemur416]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/22/convention.lawsuit.ap/index.html

Here's one article that mentions the mass arrests... Let me see if I can find more stuff that was from around the convention (This is just hoping to spark more memories of other people....)

[Rob Raver]

I’m not a big fan of protesting. If you want to fight the system, get in the system. Organize and get people you want into office. When I see protesters, I hear Charlie Brown’s mom talking, wha wha wha wha wha. Just standing in the grass yelling that you hate something isn’t going to do shit. Quit talking about it and do something about it.

I have seen some very interesting and articulate ideas on this board. How about instead of protesting silently, which just says I hate you and will not change a thing, or angrily spouting off rhetoric, which will be equally ignored, you find someone articulate to thoroughly and rationally document your concerns. Not only state what you are displeased with, give solutions! Email them to those like minded and ask them to print it out, sign it and send it to their representative via US mail all on the same day. I’m sure the inundation of their mail box will ensure they read it and if the volume is high enough take serious consternation of the voices in their district. Hmmmm, these guys might actually be a factor in my reelection. Don’t forget, they are just as big on job security as everyone else. You affect that and you get their attention.

[Rob Raver]

Although incriminating pictures of them with a hooker could get their attention as well.

Blackmail is wrong…

[Chicago]

Walk into any bookstore in DC and pick up a copy of Covert Action Quarterly to see how much wrong you think our nation isn't capable of.

[the sex molesters]

yes.

then again, although i didn't vote, i would have voted for bush if i did.

*ducks*

mary, i generally like you and all, but you are a fool. seriously. on two counts.

and i'm totally down for this protest.

[Chicago]

I think it's a brilliant idea

[the sex molesters]

indeed. a perfect way of getting around certain problems that have been presented in the past. however, do not mistake me.... i would have no problem with being arrested for this cause if it came down to it.

[LilLemur416]

I’m not a big fan of protesting. If you want to fight the system, get in the system. Organize and get people you want into office. When I see protesters, I hear Charlie Brown’s mom talking, wha wha wha wha wha. Just standing in the grass yelling that you hate something isn’t going to do shit. Quit talking about it and do something about it.
There are those of us who did attempt to do this. I went out and voted for a candidate that I wanted in office (not just the lesser of two evils). I work for a company that, while it is currently predominantly Republican, is a Libertarian based company. But this doesn't always work and expressing your disagreement with the way things currently are is a right that we all have as Americans and is a right that we need to exercise. Sometimes this comes in things as simply as showing up at events and turning your back to show that the entire country is NOT unified right now and hopefully this will send a message to the President that while a majority of the country did choose him to lead our country, there is still a large population out there who he also needs to consider.

Email them to those like minded and ask them to print it out, sign it and send it to their representative via US mail all on the same day. I’m sure the inundation of their mail box will ensure they read it and if the volume is high enough take serious consternation of the voices in their district.
I worked for a semester on Capitol Hill in the office of a local representative as an intern. I can tell you right now, in his office (and probably in most of the offices), the elected official probably does not know about 90% of the constituent mail that comes into his or her office. The interns opened the letters, categorized them, researched whatever the letter was about and responded. We never once gave those letters to someone above us or in any way kept track of what the people wanted. I'm not saying this is right or good or the way things should be - I'm saying this is the way they are. I don't want to discourage people from being active in politics or writing to their representative or senator when something matters to them, I just want everyone to realize that their letter probably isn't making that big of a difference. When you show up in person to peacefully protest - that's when they notice. The people that would show up outside of the House Office buildings (in large numbers, peacefully protesting with a clear message) would at least get the Representatives talking. They do have an under ground tunnel that connects all of the House Office Buildings with the Capitol, but on nice days they all preferred to walk across the street and enjoy the weather. People that were outside on those days would usually be acknowledged (I would hear Representatives talking about it while walking through the tunnels and riding up on elevators with them).

I do think that people should do all the things you suggested Rob, but I think that peaceful silent protests are also part of the solution because they do draw attention to the opposition.

[FutonBunny]

I think it's a brilliant idea

hey honey, i say we make a trip.

[EmmaK]

Quit talking about it and do something about it.

for a large group to come together in order to stage a massive movement against someone/something, rallies and and protests can serve as an excellent method of communication that otherwise wouldn't have the same impact or far-reaching powers. so in effect a good protest *is* "doing something about it", as it serves to mobilize an entity with concrete and cohesive goals, and also serves to build confidence amongst the protestors, knowing there are so many like-minded individuals coming together for a set purpose and that their struggle is not alone.

i'm not going to bother with (my) personal anecdote, since they've proved to be meaningless for me on here.

[EmmaK]

I do think that people should do all the things you suggested Rob, but I think that peaceful silent protests are also part of the solution because they do draw attention to the opposition.

i agree--i think this sounds like an excellent idea for a protest. and i'm not sure why people would claim they don't have an impact, when they clearly they do--witness the peacful protests of the 1960's and the civil rights movement.

[MaryAnarchy]

mary, i generally like you and all, but you are a fool. seriously. on two counts.

and i'm totally down for this protest.


i couldn't vote because the lines were atrocious, and my twin boys would have ran all over.

and maybe i could say i think you're a fool for voting for kerry, but i won't. because everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

if i learned anything from this election it is that democrats are pushy and loud and don't know when to shut up.

[Wedge]

i agree--i think this sounds like an excellent idea for a protest. and i'm not sure why people would claim they don't have an impact, when they clearly they do--witness the peacful protests of the 1960's and the civil rights movement.This isn't the 60's and this ain't the civil rights movement. This is a buncha crybabies upset because the system works and they lost. Boohoo. The only impact this will have is on the people that already agree with them. Honestly though I could care less, have your protest. I just hope so dumbdumbs get out of line so I can watch some good old hippie whacking.

[Wedge]

i couldn't vote because the lines were atrocious, and my twin boys would have ran all over.

and maybe i could say i think you're a fool for voting for kerry, but i won't. because everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

if i learned anything from this election it is that democrats are pushy and loud and don't know when to shut up.Your responding to the guy who ran his mouth about rioting and breaking stuff because his candidate lost. Why bother.

[MaryAnarchy]

if someone is going to give me negative feedback for "rationalizing", i'd sure as hell like to know who you are, so we can talk it out...instead of you just leaving it anonymously.

[MaryAnarchy]

Your responding to the guy who ran his mouth about rioting and breaking stuff because his candidate lost. Why bother.


hahahah

[Methodus]

so you don't think that people have been wrongly arrested since Bush has taken office with his Patriot Acts and laws of the sort?

:rolleyes: C'mon... We're still waiting for anyone to cite any significant abuses of the Patriot Act.

[Methodus]

I know of a specific story of someone who was arrested for saying they wanted bodily harm to come to the president. Sure, that's not something that should be taken lightly, but you know...that completely goes against the Freedom of Speach. I also remember reading an article of something similar happening in Portland. A guy in a bar told a joke where the punch line was a burning Bush. I believe he got 3 years.

No, actually that is illegal, and always has been. It's not some big scary GOP tactic.

[BizarroCub]

:rolleyes: C'mon... We're still waiting for anyone to cite any significant abuses of the Patriot Act.

Acutally people have provided three...

And those're just the ones we know about...one was againist a skeezy club owner and the other two Ashcroft is still under investigation for...

[LilLemur416]

This isn't the 60's and this ain't the civil rights movement. This is a buncha crybabies upset because the system works and they lost. Boohoo. The only impact this will have is on the people that already agree with them. Honestly though I could care less, have your protest. I just hope so dumbdumbs get out of line so I can watch some good old hippie whacking.

I agree, the system worked - the person who had the most popular votes and electoral college votes was elected. The system also allowes those who don't agree to express that opinion - peacefully. I don't think that the people who are talking about joining in this demonstration are a bunch of crybabies necessarily (I'm sure some of them are) - these are people who are unhappy with an outcome and they are acting on that. The people that sit around and complain, but don't do anything - those are the crybabies who are sore losers. And while this paticular protest may not influence anyone but people who opposed Bush, enough protests (that are peaceful and well organized) may begin to have an impact so that Congress does feel obligated to make sure that the minority of this country, who did not vote for Bush, is represented. Bush may infact be swayed some by seeing that there are people out there who are using the system properly to express thier views of disagreement and since he was elected to represent the entire country, not just those who voted for him, he may act on that.

You (generic) can't have it both ways. When people complain about Bush winning the election - they are told to shut up and do something about it. When they actually start to plan something, they are told that it's stupid and pointless to do whatever it is they are planning, and that they are crybabies...

[Methodus]

Acutally people have provided three...

And those're just the ones we know about...one was againist a skeezy club owner and the other two Ashcroft is still under investigation for...

3??? ARE YOU SERIOUS. Please excuse me if I chuckle to myself. Seriously, if Ashcroft did anything wrong, by all means, investigate him and come to a conclusion, and I will stand by it. I'm sure there are problems with the patriot act, let's identify the problems and/or abuses and fix them as time goes along. Honestly, I think 3 problems in 3 years of it's implementation is not so bad. But if they are serious problems, let's fix them and move on.

But that doesn't mean we should throw away the whole system. Read the 9/11 report. There was a wall between our intelligence services. This is a GOOD thing that we are sharing information between them. Let's not destroy that over 3 cases. Let's adapt and overcome the problems rather than throw the whole thing out.

[BizarroCub]

3??? ARE YOU SERIOUS. Please excuse me if I chuckle to myself.

And what exactly is so funny? Yes I am serious...you said no one could provide you with one example when off the top of my head I remember 3.

Seriously, if Ashcroft did anything wrong, by all means, investigate him and come to a conclusion, and I will stand by it. I'm sure there are problems with the patriot act, let's identify the problems and/or abuses and fix them as time goes along. Honestly, I think 3 problems in 3 years of it's implementation is not so bad. But if they are serious problems, let's fix them and move on.

Well...like I said...that's 3 that we KNOW of. You asked for one instance...people have provided three, which I reiterated here.

So...don't change the point. You asked for examples, they've been posted here. If you're really interested, it's easy enough to look up.

[BizarroCub]

But that doesn't mean we should throw away the whole system. Read the 9/11 report. There was a wall between our intelligence services. This is a GOOD thing that we are sharing information between them. Let's not destroy that over 3 cases. Let's adapt and overcome the problems rather than throw the whole thing out.

Nor is anyone really advocating it, but there are problems with ti that many many congressman have. So instead of always harping about there's no way anyone should change it, how about we actually try and fix it to make it work the way it's supposed and take away the possibility that it COULD be used inapporpriately again.

[Kif]

:rolleyes: C'mon... We're still waiting for anyone to cite any significant abuses of the Patriot Act.
denial is not just a river in egypt

[zartan]

hey methodus the ACLU maintains a comprehensive resource for you to learn more

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=12126&c=207

I'd also note that one of the provisions of the patriot act is that it is a crime for anyone who gets served with a patriot act info request to even mention that this request happened, making it extremely difficult to get good information about its utilization.

[Methodus]

denial is not just a river in egypt

I'm not denying anything, if there are cases of abuse, let's hear them.

[zartan]

aclu.org

[Methodus]

aclu.org

I saw the link, I followed the link, and I saw no links leading to reported abuses of the Patriot Act. Furthermore, I acknowledge that there probably have been some abuses. I'm not denying that everything is working 100% correctly. But really, what is? Don't police officers often abuse their power? Yes, and I have been directly on the recieving end of it. I've had an officer lie under oath in court against me. It was astonishing, and really made me re-evaluate the system as whole. The system is corrupt in many cases. But I'm not going to go on an anarchist binge and hate america and hate the system just because I was wronged a few times. I have faith. I have faith that it will work. I have faith that the officer that wronged me wouldn't have been able to had the stakes been higher. I have faith that if I had the time and money and had applealed my case, I would have won. I just chose to accept the results, and I moved on with my life. It wasn't easy to do, but I did it.

Likewise, let's evaluate the patriot act. Where there are problems, let's patch it up. Where there are abuses, let's punish and serve justice to the abusers. But let's not throw the whole system out because of a few cases, or for "potential" abuse. An officer equipped with a firearm has the potential to kill me. But I'm not going to advocate firearm-free police officers. I will agree that it is a scary idea that one of the provisions of the patriot act makes it a crime to talk about requests that stem from it. Maybe we should re-evaluate that part of the patriot act. Maybe we should pressure our representatives to talk about this and fix this. But let's not throw out the whole bill.

That's all I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm just speaking my mind.

[A.J.]

this is better than rioting


I'd rather riot :yes:

[Wedge]

I agree, the system worked - the person who had the most popular votes and electoral college votes was elected. The system also allowes those who don't agree to express that opinion - peacefully. I don't think that the people who are talking about joining in this demonstration are a bunch of crybabies necessarily (I'm sure some of them are) - these are people who are unhappy with an outcome and they are acting on that. The people that sit around and complain, but don't do anything - those are the crybabies who are sore losers. And while this paticular protest may not influence anyone but people who opposed Bush, enough protests (that are peaceful and well organized) may begin to have an impact so that Congress does feel obligated to make sure that the minority of this country, who did not vote for Bush, is represented. Bush may infact be swayed some by seeing that there are people out there who are using the system properly to express thier views of disagreement and since he was elected to represent the entire country, not just those who voted for him, he may act on that.

You (generic) can't have it both ways. When people complain about Bush winning the election - they are told to shut up and do something about it. When they actually start to plan something, they are told that it's stupid and pointless to do whatever it is they are planning, and that they are crybabies...They are acting on it by protesting at his inauguration and turning their backs on him? This isn't planning anything constructive, this is getting together with a group of fellow sore losers and acting *childish*. Everyone knows your upset, the fact is we don't care. The more you keep acting like two year olds throwing a tantrum because they didn't get their matchbox car the more foolish you look. Your kidding yourself if you think Bush is going to care that your doing this and somehow see the great liberal light! Your kidding yourself further if you think anyone in congress gives a damn.

Maybe you guys should start focusing on winning elections and drop the constant retarded protests, tin foil hattery, and loud mouthed cry babying. Just a thought.

[the sex molesters]

so you're saying that it would be more effective if we actually had signs and got arrested for protesting? i tend to agree.

[the sex molesters]

HOWEVER, the logistics of organizing a significant group of people who are willing to get arrested for such a cause, however unconstitutional the charge against them would be, make such a protest nearly impossible to organize. therefore i like this idea as an alternative.

[BizarroCub]

Maybe you guys should start focusing on winning elections and drop the constant retarded protests, tin foil hattery, and loud mouthed cry babying. Just a thought.

And if you guys stopped with the pompous ass hattery, people might be interested in engaging discourse...

[Methodus]

but pompous ass hattery is more fun. Even so, the feeling is mutual.

[BizarroCub]

Then I guess we're at an impass...aren't we...

[MaryAnarchy]

I'm not denying anything, if there are cases of abuse, let's hear them.


hey, i asked this question and got a few links on the first and or second pages.

[MaryAnarchy]

And if you guys stopped with the pompous ass hattery, people might be interested in engaging discourse...


pompus ass hattery is the best stringing together of words i have read in a long ass time

hats off to you

*bows*

<3

[Wedge]

so you're saying that it would be more effective if we actually had signs and got arrested for protesting? i tend to agree.Yes that is exactly what I'm saying you read into my post so well. Please go and get arrested. Preferrably for a long time.

[LilLemur416]

Everyone knows your upset, the fact is we don't care.
Well - that's fantastic. I'm sure that the liberals will remember that when they're in office and won't care about you then.

The more you keep acting like two year olds throwing a tantrum because they didn't get their matchbox car the more foolish you look. Your kidding yourself if you think Bush is going to care that your doing this and somehow see the great liberal light! Your kidding yourself further if you think anyone in congress gives a damn.
I don't ever expect Bush to "the great liberal light" - but I'm not going to stop trying to create a situation in which compromise is going to happen. I'm assuming you are talking about the generic "you" and liberals because I personally am not acting like a two year old throwing a tantrum. I participated in the system, and will continue to do so. I don't think anyone in congress gives a damn - if you'll look back at my previous post - I worked as an intern on the hill - I have first hand knowledge that for the most part - they DON'T give a damn. But as Rob Raver pointed out – they do care about reelection. It’s easy for them to not even know about the letters that come into their offices, but when there are people there in front of their faces, it’s a little harder to ignore the message that is being sent.

Maybe you guys should start focusing on winning elections and drop the constant retarded protests, tin foil hattery, and loud mouthed cry babying. Just a thought.
I’m sorry that I don’t want to wait another 2 years before I am able to see results. I would like to be able to express my views now, which I am legally allowed to do. While I agree that some people are going a little over board with organizing stupid and sometimes violent protests – where are these “Contestant retarded protests” that you are talking about?

Do you consider anybody that is upset with the results of this election a cry baby? You’ve used that term a lot and I’m just trying to figure out who exactly you’re talking about…

[Wedge]

And if you guys stopped with the pompous ass hattery, people might be interested in engaging discourse...It's a two way street bub. Ahem.

ALL REPUBLCIANS ARE STUPID INBRED HICKS FUCK THE SOUTH I NEED A VIOLIN.

Sound familiar?

[BizarroCub]

It's a two way street bub. Ahem.

ALL REPUBLCIANS ARE STUPID INBRED HICKS FUCK THE SOUTH I NEED A VIOLIN.

Sound familiar?

Oh please...the shit I say is far wittier than that...

[Wedge]

Well - that's fantastic. I'm sure that the liberals will remember that when they're in office and won't care about you then.


I don't ever expect Bush to "the great liberal light" - but I'm not going to stop trying to create a situation in which compromise is going to happen. I'm assuming you are talking about the generic "you" and liberals because I personally am not acting like a two year old throwing a tantrum. I participated in the system, and will continue to do so. I don't think anyone in congress gives a damn - if you'll look back at my previous post - I worked as an intern on the hill - I have first hand knowledge that for the most part - they DON'T give a damn. But as Rob Raver pointed out – they do care about reelection. It’s easy for them to not even know about the letters that come into their offices, but when there are people there in front of their faces, it’s a little harder to ignore the message that is being sent.


I’m sorry that I don’t want to wait another 2 years before I am able to see results. I would like to be able to express my views now, which I am legally allowed to do. While I agree that some people are going a little over board with organizing stupid and sometimes violent protests – where are these “Contestant retarded protests” that you are talking about?

Do you consider anybody that is upset with the results of this election a cry baby? You’ve used that term a lot and I’m just trying to figure out who exactly you’re talking about…First, yes I was speaking generally as I don't really know you. Anyways.

Since when have liberals given a shit what conservatives think when they're in office? Are you serious?

I'm sorry you don't want to wait another 2 years for some more elections. But ya know, tough tits. You can gather all you want turn your back like children, fact is any republican elected to congress isn't worried about your vote. You didn't vote for him in the first place. And obviously Bush isn't concerned about reelection. All you continue to do with moronic stunts like this is solidify middle americans opinion about you and your party, which is fine by me. I'm not telling you to not go out and do it, go for it you have every right to express your views, on the flipside I have every right to express that I think anyone who does this is an idiotic crybaby simp. And you can't tell me you haven't seen the posts by that whacko 2something, I can't remember his name, with a new protest every two weeks.

And of course I don't consider anybody upset with the results a crybaby. I consider the whiners to be. It should be pretty obvious.

[Wedge]

Oh please...the shit I say is far wittier than that...That made me giggle.

[BizarroCub]

Since when have liberals given a shit what conservatives think when they're in office? Are you serious?

Actually Clinton was quite willing to work with conservatives on issues. Such as welfare reform.

[MaryAnarchy]

Oh please...the shit I say is far wittier than that...


i'm republican, but i recognize a good anti republican joke

best republican joke i heard on election day when the republican turnout was low:

it's okay. they'll get to the polls. they are running behind because they had to gas up their hummers and oversized SUV's this morning


...

i guess you had to be there.

[Methodus]

pompous ass hattery is pretty dope. Keep up the good work Grizz.

[NYGblue]

Actually Clinton was quite willing to work with conservatives on issues. Such as welfare reform.

Clinton wasn't a liberal.

[Rob Raver]

Clinton wasn't a liberal.

I agree.

[MaryAnarchy]

pompous ass hattery is pretty dope. Keep up the good work Grizz.


i liked it so much, i put it in that space above my avatar.

[Chicago]

No, actually that is illegal, and always has been. It's not some big scary GOP tactic.

Actually, no it isn't! I can say "I wish George Bush would walk in front of a truck!" That is not illegal, it would be illegal if I said I was going to run him down with a truck. A threat of violence against the president is illegal, not wishing him ill fortune.

[Chicago]

With very few exceptions most of the conservatives I see on this board are incapable of entering into a political discourse without resorting to personal attacks and insults. Wedge, Methodus, and I forget the other's name at the moment, (I'm sure most of you can fill in the blank) are among the worst. Keep up the good work guys, you really do make your party look alot more intelligent by qualifying your statements with personal attacks that have little or nothing to do with the issue.

[Wedge]

With very few exceptions most of the conservatives I see on this board are incapable of entering into a political discourse without resorting to personal attacks and insults. Wedge, Methodus, and I forget the other's name at the moment, (I'm sure most of you can fill in the blank) are among the worst. Keep up the good work guys, you really do make your party look alot more intelligent by qualifying your statements with personal attacks that have little or nothing to do with the issue.I bet the air's nice up there on that shiny horse hmm? Weren't you that kooky guy who was threatening to kick my ass or some nonsense? Oh......

[Methodus]

Actually, no it isn't! I can say "I wish George Bush would walk in front of a truck!" That is not illegal, it would be illegal if I said I was going to run him down with a truck. A threat of violence against the president is illegal, not wishing him ill fortune.

And that is quite a bit different than:

"I know of a specific story of someone who was arrested for saying they wanted bodily harm to come to the president"

Wanting to bodily harm someone is a lot different than wishing ill fortune. Anyways, I think we are agreeing here.

[Methodus]

With very few exceptions most of the conservatives I see on this board are incapable of entering into a political discourse without resorting to personal attacks and insults. Wedge, Methodus, and I forget the other's name at the moment, (I'm sure most of you can fill in the blank) are among the worst. Keep up the good work guys, you really do make your party look alot more intelligent by qualifying your statements with personal attacks that have little or nothing to do with the issue.

Fuck you you fucking fuck.

haha,

Methodus.
:D :D :D

[Chicago]

I bet the air's nice up there on that shiny horse hmm? Weren't you that kooky guy who was threatening to kick my ass or some nonsense? Oh......
And what were the things you were running off at the mouth with that started the whole thing? If you take things to a personal level to begin with you can't very well complain when someone responds in kind. And for the record, I merely asked if you wanted to "sort things out in a face to face". You filled in the blanks for yourself.

[Chicago]

Fuck you you fucking fuck.

haha,

Methodus.
:D :D :D
lol,
"fuck, fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck" -Cartman

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

I think what people are missing here is that we, as Americans, have the right to protest. If the protesters choose to exercise that in a safe, organized, and non-violent way, then that is their perogitave and I applaud them for not allowing their emotions to get in the way. The simple fact is that if a couple thousand people all turn their backs to the President, then it is a sign that will be seen. If those in power choose to care about it, that's a different story - and they are entitled to ignore it.
We have the right to protest, and we want to protest now. Either ignore us completely and go along your merry way, or stop and listen and try to hear us out. Either way, there is no cause for either side to try and belittle the other.

[Wedge]

And what were the things you were running off at the mouth with that started the whole thing? If you take things to a personal level to begin with you can't very well complain when someone responds in kind. And for the record, I merely asked if you wanted to "sort things out in a face to face". You filled in the blanks for yourself.You got your panties in a bunch because you got called a moron or some such. *violin* And who's complaining? I'm simply pointing out what a laughable hypocrite you are. An internet tough guy, someone pathetic enough to make veiled threats on his keyboard, trying to pull the moral high ground and act like his shit don't stink is hilarious. Cry me a river with this OMG THEY SAID BADWORDS crap. This board is full of nothing but personal attacks on conservatives. What's the problem? Can't take your own medicine? Does it hurt your sensitive feelings? Aww.

[Wedge]

I think what people are missing here is that we, as Americans, have the right to protest. If the protesters choose to exercise that in a safe, organized, and non-violent way, then that is their perogitave and I applaud them for not allowing their emotions to get in the way. The simple fact is that if a couple thousand people all turn their backs to the President, then it is a sign that will be seen. If those in power choose to care about it, that's a different story - and they are entitled to ignore it.
We have the right to protest, and we want to protest now. Either ignore us completely and go along your merry way, or stop and listen and try to hear us out. Either way, there is no cause for either side to try and belittle the other.I'll reiterage what I said earlier. I understand you have the right to protest, I have no problem with that feel free. But I also have the right to point out how the heart of this protest is chilidsh and will accomplish absolutly nothing except to make you look like tools, in my opinion.

[K-netic]

I can only imagine that if I know about the protest, people higher up than me know. So potentially, Bush and the media will be prepared for it and they just won't show it and he won't react.

Maybe at the inauguration they should make everybody wear masks on the backs of their heads. Then it won't matter which direction they face. They can just say there is a Tiger on the loose and its a directive from Homeland Security. For safety and what not.

[EmmaK]

in my readings (because i am a reading nerd) early this evening, i came across this, by ghandi:

"my greatest weapon is mute prayer."

an intriguing consideration.

[EmmaK]

is anyone going to do this?

[Phoenix]

I'll reiterage what I said earlier. I understand you have the right to protest, I have no problem with that feel free. But I also have the right to point out how the heart of this protest is chilidsh and will accomplish absolutly nothing except to make you look like tools, in my opinion.

Actually, many people thought that protesting the Vietnam War got it to end sooner than it would have intially. Just because my generation hasn't seen protest work in our time, doesn't mean it doesn't work.

[Phoenix]

is anyone going to do this?

We should. If others can get themselves together enough to protest WHFS going under, we sure as hell should be able to get our shit together and protest this.

[NYGblue]

I think its fucking pointless and stupid. He won, so you turn your back on him why? To represent what? The liberal part of the country that didn't vote for him? Even thats a stretch. I think protests are more successful when they have meaning and real weight behind them. Protesting, essentially for the sake of protesting is useless and really just makes you guys look like pansies

[EmmaK]

this topic has already been beat to death. my question was "is anyone going to do this?", not "what's your opinion on those who choose to participate?". thanks for being able to follow that, chrissi. i'm considering going just because the political atmosphere is why i moved here, whether or not i consider myself to be protesting the event, or any other event. it seems like something worthwhile to be there for, and since i'm not working there's really no reason for me to skip it. :shrug:

[Calen]

I will not turn my back on The President of the United States of America.

I would turn my back to George W. Bush, because I really do not like him very much, but the office he is elected to now deserves more respect than that. Inauguration is really an incredible event. Transferring power peacefully from one executive to the next is something that does not happen consistently in just about any country other than the United States. We should respect that, whether we like the President's policies or not.

It is not about rights. We all have the right to dissent. It is simply a matter of respect.

[EmmaK]

calen, perhaps we should set up a little field trip to the inauguration with a side stop at :fudd:

[: ORI :]

It is simply a matter of respect.

Thats the thing....alot of people dont respect him or consider him their "president".

[LordOfThePance]

I hate it when those little hairs get in my mouth.:lick:

[Cactus Jack]

this is better than rioting


I thought you predicted mass rioting if Bush won the election?

[zartan]

yep, i was wrong.

i think this has more potential for real rioting b/c there is a reason for everyone to be in one place already + extremely skittish security forces. that said, i don't expect many problems to result (which given my track record probably means riots)

[BizarroCub]

:wave: Methodus...

[Cactus Jack]

yep, i was wrong.

i think this has more potential for real rioting b/c there is a reason for everyone to be in one place already + extremely skittish security forces. that said, i don't expect many problems to result (which given my track record probably means riots)

LOL. Actually your track record is usually accurate.

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

So is anyone doing this?

Cause I'd like to.

[BizarroCub]

Transferring power peacefully from one executive to the next is something that does not happen consistently in just about any country other than the United States. We should respect that, whether we like the President's policies or not.

Hmmmmm...I think the peoples of Western Europe, Australia, Japan, a number of South American contries, etc, might take issue with that statement.

It is not about rights. We all have the right to dissent. It is simply a matter of respect.

And how much respect has he shown the office of the president? Going out of his way to divide America? Disparing it's own citizens? Trying to curtail and deny the rights of it's citizens? Sending us into a financial black hole? I'm not seeing a lot of respect for Americans there, so why should Americans respect him.

Frankly, I don't care. President or not, I wouldn't piss in that mans mouth if his guts were on fire. So turning their back on him is the least people could do.

[EmmaK]

so...chrissi, lauren, and calen are interested in attending. i'd like to go too, but i'm not planning on turning my back or whatnot--i want to watch! it's a freaking inauguration, and we're lucky enough to live in the nation's capitol where watching and taking part in this sort of an event is only a metro ride away. that's something a lot of people envy, supporter of the current administration or not.

does anyone else wanna meet up? and are the three of you wanting to "protest" or simply attend? (i know you just want to attend, calen.)

[Zimma]

it's a freaking inauguration, and we're lucky enough to live in the nation's capitol where watching and taking part in this sort of an event is only a metro ride away. that's something a lot of people envy


I am one such envious person.

[elad]

this thread is lacking teh orange text like crazy.

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

I would like to protest, but I'm down to just go and attend... should we sort details and create a meet-up thread?

[Kif]

so...chrissi, lauren, and calen are interested in attending. i'd like to go too, but i'm not planning on turning my back or whatnot--i want to watch! it's a freaking inauguration, and we're lucky enough to live in the nation's capitol where watching and taking part in this sort of an event is only a metro ride away. that's something a lot of people envy, supporter of the current administration or not.

does anyone else wanna meet up? and are the three of you wanting to "protest" or simply attend? (i know you just want to attend, calen.)
I would definitely turn my back


hell...I'd cock swab the whole thing on live TV if I could



FUCK BUSH

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

You and me together Brock!

[Synz]

so...chrissi, lauren, and calen are interested in attending. i'd like to go too, but i'm not planning on turning my back or whatnot--i want to watch! it's a freaking inauguration, and we're lucky enough to live in the nation's capitol where watching and taking part in this sort of an event is only a metro ride away. that's something a lot of people envy, supporter of the current administration or not.

does anyone else wanna meet up? and are the three of you wanting to "protest" or simply attend? (i know you just want to attend, calen.)


honestly.. when I was younger and was taken to Clinton's first inauguration, my parents were all like, "you're witnessing history" and I was like... "yeah... and?? who cares?" ahh my first teenager moment.

however, Im not doing too much thursday, so make a meeting point and I might see y'all there

[Phoenix]

so...chrissi, lauren, and calen are interested in attending. i'd like to go too, but i'm not planning on turning my back or whatnot--i want to watch! it's a freaking inauguration, and we're lucky enough to live in the nation's capitol where watching and taking part in this sort of an event is only a metro ride away. that's something a lot of people envy, supporter of the current administration or not.

does anyone else wanna meet up? and are the three of you wanting to "protest" or simply attend? (i know you just want to attend, calen.)

Wednesday - Snow likely. Snow accumulation around an inch. Highs around 30. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent. Wind chills as low as 5 below in the morning.

Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of snow showers. Lows around 20. West winds 5 to 10 mph.

Thursday - Partly cloudy in the morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. A 40 percent chance of snow showers. Highs in the mid 30s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph...increasing to around 15 mph in the afternoon.

I'd like to go but if I brave the cold/snow/sleet AND get out of work, I'd like to do it to protest, if I'm not mistaken, all we have to do is keep our backs to the parade the whole time.

[Synz]

I would like to protest, but I'm down to just go and attend... should we sort details and create a meet-up thread?


do it ms. mod :wink:

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

I'm not too familiar with the area - so someone else create a meetup point and time - is there a metro stop close? That might be the best place for us all to converge.

[EmmaK]

do it ms. mod :wink:

:werd: let's not label it as a protest thread though, because i'm sure there are plenty of buzzboarders who'll consider coming, but not as a protest.


so far it looks like:
emma
chrissi (depending on the weather/work)
lauren
calen
jeremy

grizz and brock--are either of you up for it? :thumbsup:



p.s. this has to include a stop at fudd or the like. however, if nobody else wants to do that, i'll settle for a vendor hot dog. :yummy:

[Synz]

okay heres a start... the metro should be self-explanatory cause once we pick a time... then we pick a place.

OATH OF OFFICE CEREMONY US Capitol 12:00 p.m.
INAUGURAL PARADE Pennsylvania Ave. 2:00 - 4:30 p.m.

[Synz]

forgot to post this about the parade btw...

The best opportunity to participate in the inaugural events is the parade, when military and civilian bands and other fanfare will march along a 1.7 mile-route from Capitol Hill to the White House and hundreds of thousands of people are able line the route and watch.

The parade will begin about 2:30 p.m. on January 20, 2005. The parade route starts at the intersection of Constitution and Pennsylvania Avenues and continues down Pennsylvania Avenue to the White House.

Organizing this precisely timed formation of some 11,000 people, floats, vehicles and horses is no small feat. From logistical support, such as buses, warming tents and food, to security and public safety, much will be happening behind the scenes to create the flawless event that will be viewed by half-a-million spectators.

Parade preparations begin months in advance when applications are gathered from bands and other marching units from across the country on behalf of the Presidential Inaugural Committee (PIC). As the event gets closer, PIC selects participants for the parade.

Efforts are made to have as many states represented in the parade as possible. The parade normally lasts about two hours.

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

:werd: let's not label it as a protest thread though, because i'm sure there are plenty of buzzboarders who'll consider coming, but not as a protest.


so far it looks like:
emma
chrissi (depending on the weather/work)
lauren
calen
jeremy

grizz and brock--are either of you up for it? :thumbsup:



p.s. this has to include a stop at fudd or the like. however, if nobody else wants to do that, i'll settle for a vendor hot dog. :yummy:
Let's hit Fudd on the way back :yes:

Did you guys want to attend the ceremony or just the parade?

[MaryAnarchy]

i am sending legba to this thread.

[Kif]

:werd: let's not label it as a protest thread though, because i'm sure there are plenty of buzzboarders who'll consider coming, but not as a protest.


so far it looks like:
emma
chrissi (depending on the weather/work)
lauren
calen
jeremy

grizz and brock--are either of you up for it? :thumbsup:



p.s. this has to include a stop at fudd or the like. however, if nobody else wants to do that, i'll settle for a vendor hot dog. :yummy:
I would definitely be down...however I will not be able to get off work :sadblue:

[elad]

lets hope for freezing rain and bowling ball sized hail :usa:

[BizarroCub]

grizz and brock--are either of you up for it?

I will not be setting foot near DC...

Large reddish brown skinned man with a large beard and a bad attitude...you must be kidding...

I'd only show up if I could pee on the limo as it went by...

[elad]

lets hope for freezing rain and bowling ball sized hail :usa:
im sorry, i meant to say "lets PRAY for freezing..."

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

How about we meet at Metro Center (12th and F is closest to Penn Avenue, I think) around 12-12:15?

This would give us time to wander down to Penn Avenue... Unless you guys wanted to get there earlier and stake out spots :shrug:

[EmmaK]

Did you guys want to attend the ceremony or just the parade?

i want to do both. that's just me...not sure what would be best for the group :shrug:

i'm not sure why, if the inauguration ceremony begins at noon, it takes until 2/2:30 to begin the parade. does the ceremony take that long?! maybe we could eat lunch in between the ceremony and the parade.

[Synz]

i want to do both. that's just me...not sure what would be best for the group :shrug:

i'm not sure why, if the inauguration ceremony begins at noon, it takes until 2/2:30 to begin the parade. does the ceremony take that long?! maybe we could eat lunch in between the ceremony and the parade.


yea, the ceremony really does take that long... about a million ppl talk and then he gets sworn in, waves and then gets in the limo... then they sneak him out through the bottom underground and into a safe house... then a decoy just sits there and hopes not to die. :wink:

jus playin guyz.

but yea, if we get there around noon thirty or something, that works for me... remember its going to be freezing out there, so no complainin!!!!!!!

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

Noon thirty works for me :yes:

[EmmaK]

me too.
should we make a separate thread now? lauren? :wink:

[: ORI :]

check here : http://www.wmata.com/ to help plan your trip better. Metro will be overcrowded and some entrances might be closed.

[Synz]

seperate thread must begin in 3

[Synz]

2

[Synz]

1

[Legba]

yep, i was wrong.

i think this has more potential for real rioting b/c there is a reason for everyone to be in one place already + extremely skittish security forces. that said, i don't expect many problems to result (which given my track record probably means riots)

I would be very surprised if there's any kind of heavy confrontation, outside of the normal deployment of state violence (i.e., sporadic round-up arrests--but even that is prob going to be mostly of people who are cognizant of the risk, such as myself). The most high profile civil disobedience planned is a Die-In (people lay down in the street, block the motorcade until they get arrested) under the organizing auspices of the DC Anti-War Network (DAWN), aside from that there's a litany of permitted and unpermitted marches. Even the unpermitted marches aren't expected to be nuts--I've beendoing those for years and in the last few, it traditionally turns into a police-escorted march.

The last time around was a bit nuts, but mostly because the cops went inexplicably insane (it appeared to be the result of poor communication amongst themselves) and some confusion on the unpermitted anti-capitalist march. That one did result in quite possibly the most amazing photo ever though: when some kid climbed up a flag pole near the Natl. Archives stop and turned the flag upside down (which is a naval code for a ship in distress).

http://www.infoshop.org/news6/j20_bb_pix.html (scroll down a bit and you can find it).

But that kind of thing is unlikely. Times have changed and it's not the days of anti-glob protests in DC like 2000. Also, the sheer factor of bad weather tends to dampen intensity.

[: ORI :]

http://www.wmata.com/about/met_news/story.cfm?ID=132

Thursday, January 20, Inauguration Day

The Smithsonian (Blue/Orange Lines) and Archives-Navy Memorial/Penn Quarter (Green/Yellow Lines) Metrorail stations will be closed from 5 a.m. until the inauguration parade is over at approximately 5 p.m.

The Mount Vernon Square/7th Street Convention Center (Green/Yellow Lines) Metrorail station will close at 3 p.m. and re-open at 1 a.m.

The Judiciary Square (Red Line) Metrorail station entrance at F Street N.W., will close at 5:30 p.m., and reopen at 1 a.m. The 4th Street entrance will remain open.

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METRORAIL SERVICE

Tuesday, January 18 and Wednesday, January 19

With the Federal Government encouraging its employees to leave early on Wednesday, January 19, Metro will not reduce its train sizes from six-cars to four-cars on both Tuesday and Wednesday afternoon. Morning trains that are operating as six-car trains will remain six-car trains to help move the expected larger mid-day ridership.

Thursday, January 20, Inauguration Day

On Inauguration Day, Metrorail trains will operate on a special schedule with trains running every 4 to 6 minutes in the downtown core of the city from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m., and every 7 ? to 8 minutes between 8 p.m. and 10 p.m. All trains will operate with six-cars throughout the day. Extra trains will be available as needed.

Off-peak fares will be charged all day, and parking will be free at Metro-operated facilities. Metro will hand-sell round trip farecards at high-volume stations. Officials will also sell a special Commemorative Inaugural One Day Metrorail pass for $6.50 at all Passes/Farecards vending machines in all stations.

Metro will deploy Metro Information Person's (MIP's) throughout the system to assist first-time users, out-of-town visitors and regular customers.

[Legba]

But that kind of thing is unlikely. Times have changed and it's not the days of anti-glob protests in DC like 2000. Also, the sheer factor of bad weather tends to dampen intensity.

Also, I should point out that the main gathering of anarchists/anti-authoritarian/blah blah blah is being directly organized around the idea that people AREN'T going to show up wearing masks and all black--mainly because people got sick of it pretty much acting as a cop magnet and while it looks cool, it wore out its welcome to look like you're going to an anarchist punk rock show.

Which is fine by me since I'm not a punk rocker.

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

me too.
should we make a separate thread now? lauren? :wink:
Yes. Make a thread.

Noon thirty at Metro Center?

[Legba]

You'll thank me for this.

Go sign up for txtmob right now. Please. You'll be really happy you did.

TxtMob is a project where you can sign up to receive information broadcasts via text message. Some are moderated (broadcast only), some are discussion oriented. Its intended for activists (and others. I told Amanda Huie about it and there's a buzzlife txtmob on there) to be able to have up-to-the-minute information on what's going on, if there are problems, if police are doing strange things, where events are happening, etc. It's a lifesaver when you're on the street.

I've used it to great success at the RNC protests this past summer.

www.txtmob.com

after you sign in, go for the group called J20Info and any others that catch your fancy. That'll give you all the info (including the VERY useful Indymedia newswire information) you need to stay safe and happy. And stay tuned to http://dc.indymedia.org for ongoing information.

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::Legba Carrefour::(alsoAIMname]

"Papa Legba, ouvri barriè pou nous passer..."
"Papa Legba, open the gate so we may pass..."

"He makes a beautiful woman,
and an even more beautiful terrorist."

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Neologism4U
"Onanistic" + "Monastic" + "Fantastic"= "Onatastic!"
"Contemplative masturbation in the pious pursuit of hedonism."

[zartan]

Likewise, let's evaluate the patriot act. Where there are problems, let's patch it up. Where there are abuses, let's punish and serve justice to the abusers. But let's not throw the whole system out because of a few cases, or for "potential" abuse. An officer equipped with a firearm has the potential to kill me. But I'm not going to advocate firearm-free police officers. I will agree that it is a scary idea that one of the provisions of the patriot act makes it a crime to talk about requests that stem from it. Maybe we should re-evaluate that part of the patriot act. Maybe we should pressure our representatives to talk about this and fix this. But let's not throw out the whole bill.

That's all I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm just speaking my mind.

Methodus: Wrong about the patriot act. Wrong for America.

[Methodus]

Looks like I was calling for reform. Hmmm... similar to Obama's position.

[cleophite]

Wow .. interesting reading this thread from a 2008 perspective. And with many, many more stories on abuses of the Patriot Act.