Security At Nation

[psychonautofgod]

Seriously, I have never seen so much security in a club. EVER. I drove 3 hours to get there and then felt like I was in a jailhouse. Granted the music was great and Goldie and Photek just ripped it up, but come on, how can you relax when you feel like you're being watched to make sure you're not having too much fun. Also, I was a little sad to see so few party kids and so few light toys. Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me that the scene there is a bit rigid. If anyone decides to do a real party ie.underground, little security, no cops, w/map points, filled with fun people and good psyvibes, give me a heads up.
Peace and Tranquility.

[badkitty3804]

If you're not doing anything wrong....why not be able to relax with security presence?

[evey]

Dun dun dunnnn!

[Someoneonthenet]

Peace and Tranquility? Nanu Nanu Mork & Mindy...

[SiK BuG]

Seriously, I have never seen so much security in a club. EVER. I drove 3 hours to get there and then felt like I was in a jailhouse. Granted the music was great and Goldie and Photek just ripped it up, but come on, how can you relax when you feel like you're being watched to make sure you're not having too much fun. Also, I was a little sad to see so few party kids and so few light toys. Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me that the scene there is a bit rigid. If anyone decides to do a real party ie.underground, little security, no cops, w/map points, filled with fun people and good psyvibes, give me a heads up.
Peace and Tranquility.


Im pretty sure this goes for other DnB heads but I fucking hate "light toys". You know i've had my run ends with them but for real they need to be there. That night my friend got jumped by 5 guys and robbed, The security not only stoped them but later in the night got his wallet back(with the money still inside). Clubs are not for doing drugs and if your worried about getting caught by being in a club thats like a "jailhouse" then don't fucking come out or at least don't come out and do drugs. Doesn't get much simpler than that. Its people like you that piss me off, if you wanna get fucked up buy a damn beer and shut the fuck up.

[tigermomma]

if you wanna get fucked up buy a damn beer and shut the fuck up.
:raveon:

[giftgirl]

If you're not doing anything wrong....why not be able to relax with security presence?
I totally agree. I would rather feel safe than have to worry about someone briging guns or knives into the club. this kinda shit does happen and I feel that security does their best to keep all the partons safe.

[SiK BuG]

and did you forget it is in SE. I live about 7 blocks from nation for a year now and belive me there is some crazy fucking ppl around here.

[Pseudo Society]

Here's an idea. Take your significant other to a warehouse party in the Detroit industrial district. Have fun dancing and hanging out with freinds. Then at about 1:30am you and your significant other can watch someone get their head blown off with a .45. Nothing says "baby I love you" then a night at a party, drunk, and watching a head literally get a fist size hole in it with him or her.

Things like that will make you change your mind about the jailhouse vibe. Some people dont appreciate a good thing when they have it. The "underground" (as if they really exist anymore) parties are fun and a bit more laid back, but I would rather have security toss the glowstick twirling ninja face out than me going crazygonuts.

[bboyneko]

If you're not doing anything wrong....why not be able to relax with security presence?


same argument thats always used for greater security at the sacrifice of privacy. 'if your not doing anything wrong, then why not allow an armed police officer escort you 24/7? If your not doing anything wrong, why should you care if a camera is in every room in your house?' so on and so forth

[Pseudo Society]

That's easy, republicans dont want to waste money on a police officer for every human being. That's why you have the Echelon project silly buns :whack:

[Buddafly]

same argument thats always used for greater security at the sacrifice of privacy. 'if your not doing anything wrong, then why not allow an armed police officer escort you 24/7? If your not doing anything wrong, why should you care if a camera is in every room in your house?' so on and so forth

I think you're talking that further than the conversation needed.

[punkasschikadee]

Seriously, I have never seen so much security in a club. EVER. I drove 3 hours to get there and then felt like I was in a jailhouse. Granted the music was great and Goldie and Photek just ripped it up, but come on, how can you relax when you feel like you're being watched to make sure you're not having too much fun. Also, I was a little sad to see so few party kids and so few light toys. Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me that the scene there is a bit rigid. If anyone decides to do a real party ie.underground, little security, no cops, w/map points, filled with fun people and good psyvibes, give me a heads up.
Peace and Tranquility.

actually, I think the amount of "party kids" with their "light toys" was pretty high last friday.

[brkbt junglegrl]

Seriously, I have never seen so much security in a club. EVER. I drove 3 hours to get there and then felt like I was in a jailhouse. Granted the music was great and Goldie and Photek just ripped it up, but come on, how can you relax when you feel like you're being watched to make sure you're not having too much fun. Also, I was a little sad to see so few party kids and so few light toys. Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me that the scene there is a bit rigid. If anyone decides to do a real party ie.underground, little security, no cops, w/map points, filled with fun people and good psyvibes, give me a heads up.
Peace and Tranquility.

Its not just you.

Oh how the clubs are ah-changing...

[Chicago]

This is a problem I have with most of the board. No disrespect to each of you individually, I know most of you and you are good people. But this person came on here with an observation that he made and offered comment. At no time was he disrespectful to the club, the party, or the people in it. And yet again anyone who offers any sort of critical observation is met and dealt with extreme prejudice. Sik Bug, I know of you through others and have met you and you seem like a really cool guy. But at no time did he mention drugs or illegal activity, yet you paint him out to be all of these things because like most people he feels that the security at nation has gone from watching over the patrons to just watching the patrons. Lighten up people, justified or not the security at nation is pretty militant. It doesn't mean that everyone who notices it as such are hardened criminals.

[SiK BuG]

I took the having to much fun comment as that, hey if he didn't mean drug wise then my bad. If he did thats how I feel about it. I apreacate the way you said that to me I wish more people could talk on the board in that matter, me included.

[cleophite]

:plur:

[Chicago]

PLUR man. it's all about the party.

[tigermomma]

Christian I know you're sticking up for the poster because we all tend to snap at newbies we dont know with all the preconceived notions most of us has towards party kids...

However. If the reason Nation's money maker got kicked out twice was lax security (and in turn more overt illegal things happening) then its a definite good decision to fight those problems head on with stricter security. Thats just looking at it from a monetary perspective and thats enough for me right there.

:kapluto:

:plurstick:

[beth]

If anyone decides to do a real party ie.underground, little security, no cops, w/map points, filled with fun people and good psyvibes, give me a heads up.
Peace and Tranquility.


do you guys like jungle?
/groove

[RevisionC]

do you guys like jungle?
/groove

:chairfall:

i was thinking the exact same thing


shesh

[Chicago]

Christian I know you're sticking up for the poster because we all tend to snap at newbies we dont know with all the preconceived notions most of us has towards party kids...

However. If the reason Nation's money maker got kicked out twice was lax security (and in turn more overt illegal things happening) then its a definite good decision to fight those problems head on with stricter security. Thats just looking at it from a monetary perspective and thats enough for me right there.

:kapluto:

:plurstick:
That is precisely why I said "Justified or not" I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm just saying that all he did was notice it and say he didn't like it, this is no reason to start flaming him over it. I don't like it either and I still come out once in awhile cuz I like the party and am in a mood to put up with it once in awhile. Doesn't make me a bad person, just means I don't like being treated like a criminal by the establishments I give my money to. Again this isn't a judgement it's just the way I feel "justified or not".

[bboyneko]

I think you're talking that further than the conversation needed.


But you can't dismiss peoples concerns that there is an excessive amount of security present by 'if your not doing anything wrong why should you care'

My point in listing a higher level argument along the same theme of excessive security was to show that the 'if your not doing anything wrong why yould you care' dismissal of such concerns means nothing, solves nothing, and treats the concerns of those who raise their concerns with a certain air of disdian, and ill respect.

Maybe illustrating WHY there is such a large visible security presence there would explain things to our out-of-town friend, such as 'south east dc crime rates are: yadaa yadda yadda'

[evey]

do you guys like jungle?
/groove

The only good line in that entire movie.

[Phoenix]

Personally, I've never had a problem with security except for when I was being a problem.

[btrflykys]

i seriously dont think that the security @ nation is excessive... i have seen way worse.

Take for instance fur when pvd was there... that was crazy... everywhere u turned there was a security guard... and the majority of them were complete jerks... my husband and i got broken apart from dancing because they thought we were having sex... it was four of them... that was ridiculous... we werent even that close to each other... it was all because i had on a skirt... how funny

[The Jezereck]

I kinda like having all the extra security around, ive been to a lot of clubs where fights and everything are constantly breaking out, not to say ive never seen a fight at nation, but when there is, they are right on top of it and its usually done and over with pretty quickly.

[: ORI :]

Well other than the really tall skinny guy that shoves people around all the time i never really notice the security precence at nation.

[bboyneko]

all that security isn't cheap, i doubt nation would spend the money unless they felt the expense justified the means. No smart business owner would spend excessive money on something they don't need.

[Wickity]

Maybe $20 million in renovations would make it cheaper?

[trancedance]

I have never even "noticed" any security at Nation after getting through the door....

[BizarroCub]

I have never even "noticed" any security at Nation after getting through the door....

Neither have I except at the doors and stairs and such...

I've never found it to be excessive. I've even at times thought it was kinda scant.

[juicyjay]

I kinda like having all the extra security around, ive been to a lot of clubs where fights and everything are constantly breaking out, not to say ive never seen a fight at nation, but when there is, they are right on top of it and its usually done and over with pretty quickly.

i've been coming here for only a couple of months and i've seen like 5.

i like all the extra security around. it dosn't bug me. it should bug anyone else either, unless you're doing something wrong in the first place

[maynard]

Why is this still being discussed?

Unless you're doing something wrong, you are in absolutely no danger of being harrassed by security. Unless you're belligerantly drunk you are in absolutely no danger of being harrassed by security. Unless you're doing something that could be considered shady (which probably means you are), you are in absolutely no danger of being harrassed by security.

The only time you need to worry about security is if you're doing something against the rules. And coincidentally, that's the way it should be. I have heard all these supposed "horror stories" involving Nation staff but I've never encountered anything remotely close to horrific and I've been going to the club for some time now. Security is there to handle problems. Don't fuck up and you won't get fucked with. Simple. Compared with other clubs I've been to around the country, the Nation staff is among the best.

[Wickity]

Actually, I've heard of one story where security clearly went too far. Funny thing is, it's someone from the board who supports them. It was all cleared up to their satisfaction as far as I know.

[cleophite]

Neither have I except at the doors and stairs and such...

I've never found it to be excessive. I've even at times thought it was kinda scant.
:werd:

i'm not saying the poster is entirely wrong, but i honestly don't notice security at all when i'm there.

[bboyneko]

Why is this still being discussed?

Unless you're doing something wrong, you are in absolutely no danger of being harrassed by security. Unless you're belligerantly drunk you are in absolutely no danger of being harrassed by security. Unless you're doing something that could be considered shady (which probably means you are), you are in absolutely no danger of being harrassed by security.

The only time you need to worry about security is if you're doing something against the rules. And coincidentally, that's the way it should be. I have heard all these supposed "horror stories" involving Nation staff but I've never encountered anything remotely close to horrific and I've been going to the club for some time now. Security is there to handle problems. Don't fuck up and you won't get fucked with. Simple. Compared with other clubs I've been to around the country, the Nation staff is among the best.

I would disagree with this..security is often a little power-trippin' and in unnecessarily rude to people. Think about Police officers..sure technicaly if you are 100% law abiding you are 'supposed' to not get bothered by them..but thats not always the case. Police often abuse their position of authority and treat people way too rough, use excessive force or are just plain rude.

Again, the argument of 'if your doing nothing wrong why you trippin'" simply dosen't fly, it assumes that all people in positions of enforcercement of club rules are perfect and never make mistakes.

My experience at Nation has been that security is often times much too rough/rude mean-spirited. Sure it's theri job to be mean, but the law-abiding clubbers would like to not be treated roughly.

And of course..if you talk back, your ass is grass.

I wouldn't say though, that there is excessive presense of security, but the pat-downs are a bit crazy..but then again im used to bmore where you can walk into a club with a backpack with dynamite and a timer attached and nobody blinks an eye.

But also..when was the last massive shootout you heard of at the popular baltimore edm clubs like sonar orpheus or others?

[ms boombatti]

I actually don't think security is excessive.. I've definately seen much worse. For example, at Luna in Brooklyn, my husband had his candy chain (plastic and white, w/ a stuffed animal attached) taken because security thought he would strangle someone with it.

Swear to god. Strangle someone w/ a candy chain. :beaker:

In any case, security at Nation has been pretty good lately.

[elad]

Strangle someone w/ a candy chain. :beaker:



yes please.

[The Jezereck]

I would disagree with this..security is often a little power-trippin' and in unnecessarily rude to people. Think about Police officers..sure technicaly if you are 100% law abiding you are 'supposed' to not get bothered by them..but thats not always the case. Police often abuse their position of authority and treat people way too rough, use excessive force or are just plain rude.

Again, the argument of 'if your doing nothing wrong why you trippin'" simply dosen't fly, it assumes that all people in positions of enforcercement of club rules are perfect and never make mistakes.

My experience at Nation has been that security is often times much too rough/rude mean-spirited. Sure it's theri job to be mean, but the law-abiding clubbers would like to not be treated roughly.

And of course..if you talk back, your ass is grass.

I wouldn't say though, that there is excessive presense of security, but the pat-downs are a bit crazy..but then again im used to bmore where you can walk into a club with a backpack with dynamite and a timer attached and nobody blinks an eye.

But also..when was the last massive shootout you heard of at the popular baltimore edm clubs like sonar orpheus or others?

hrm been comin to nation since about 99 never had any of the security bother me in anyway. Yes the search is extensive, but look how many times the clubs been shut down due to illegal activities in the club?

[bboyneko]

i wouldn't fault the security, Nation /Buzz was unfairly targeted..if undercover cameras had gone to just about any club youd see illegal activty anywhere, its impossible to control everyone 100%..youd have to assign one security guard per club goer.

I have never been assaulted by a police officer, dosent mean it dosent happen. I've never had excessive force used on me while being arrested, dosent mean it dosent happen or that it isnt an issue. I never been shot at by an officer because he mistook my wallet for a gun, again, dosent mean it dosent happen.

[maynard]

i wouldn't fault the security, Nation /Buzz was unfairly targeted..if undercover cameras had gone to just about any club youd see illegal activty anywhere, its impossible to control everyone 100%..youd have to assign one security guard per club goer.

I have never been assaulted by a police officer, dosent mean it dosent happen. I've never had excessive force used on me while being arrested, dosent mean it dosent happen or that it isnt an issue. I never been shot at by an officer because he mistook my wallet for a gun, again, dosent mean it dosent happen.

That is true.

However, I'm just saying, why would someone take such issue with the amount of security present? Is it because security makes them nervous? And if so, why? Is it because they're scared of being targeted for no reason? Or is it because of justifiable reasons?

I don't know of anyone who wastes their time being worried about something bad that could happen at random, especially if it's something where the odds of it ever happening to you are minimal. All those things you listed could happen to me, but they're not things that I worry about.

[Chicago]

Some people just dont like having people looking over their shoulder all the time. I wouldn't accuse someone of wrong doing just because of this. I am a law abiding citizen but I hate the fact that I'm on the look out for cops everytime I'm in my car.

[maynard]

Some people just dont like having people looking over their shoulder all the time. I wouldn't accuse someone of wrong doing just because of this. I am a law abiding citizen but I hate the fact that I'm on the look out for cops everytime I'm in my car.

Then I ask, why are you on the lookout?

I hate to say it, but in this day and age, we need a bit more security if we want to have a good time and be safe. At any given time I could probably find a security guard within 5-10 seconds... but that's the way the system is supposed to work. If there's an emergency they need to be able to respond quickly. But seriously, I don't do that and so I usually don't notice security. And believe me, I don't like people looking over my shoulder either, but I don't feel it's quite on that level.

[tigermomma]

Oh Dan give me a break. Whenever i am in a car and I'm driving and I see a cop get on my ass I start to sweat and get nervous. And I wont be doing anything wrong at all.

But I have done illegal shit for so long (suspended license, dead tags, expired inspection) that it may be a learned response.

:shrug:

[maynard]

Oh Dan give me a break. Whenever i am in a car and I'm driving and I see a cop get on my ass I start to sweat and get nervous. And I wont be doing anything wrong at all.

But I have done illegal shit for so long (suspended license, dead tags, expired inspection) that it may be a learned response.

:shrug:

It is.

If I'm driving the speed limit and am completely sober, and all the tags on my car are straight, I don't really care how many cops I see/pass on the road. If I'm not in the wrong I have nothing to worry about.

But that could just be me. :shrug:

[bboyneko]

That is true.

However, I'm just saying, why would someone take such issue with the amount of security present? Is it because security makes them nervous? And if so, why? Is it because they're scared of being targeted for no reason? Or is it because of justifiable reasons?

I don't know of anyone who wastes their time being worried about something bad that could happen at random, especially if it's something where the odds of it ever happening to you are minimal. All those things you listed could happen to me, but they're not things that I worry about.


Your telling me you wouldn’t be a little edgy if every time you walked outside there was a police officer on every corner, or an armed security officer of some kind? What about every time you entered a metro train there would be like 2 guards per car..or everytime you entered the McDonalds a security guard watching every line, every table...

the fact is a large security force makes everyone nervouse..i think only the naive would find comfort in a large police presence..when you deploy that many security forces amongst the general citizenry you are close to becoming a police state.

Sure the NATIONS issue is a lot smaller scale and not as serious..but continualy acusing people who find discomfort in large security presence of wrongdoing is a red herring and an attempt to divert the argument by attacking the character of the people making the complaint.

[Zodiac*Blue]

I live about 7 blocks from nation

Afterparty at Brad's!!!!! :raveon:

[Liftedtrance]

Oh Dan give me a break. Whenever i am in a car and I'm driving and I see a cop get on my ass I start to sweat and get nervous. And I wont be doing anything wrong at all.

But I have done illegal shit for so long (suspended license, dead tags, expired inspection) that it may be a learned response.

:shrug:

i know with me, part of my fear of cops/ security is deeply rooted in the times when I was younger, and doing things that i shouldnt have been doing, so I got used to being on the lookout for them, and also being scared of them.

i think there can be a healthy "fear" of police, that has a lot to do with respect, and trying to make it a point to not fuck up/ do anything illegal while they are watching.

[BizarroCub]

Look...with all things the middle ground is the correct answer...

People who're overly concerned with being watched usually have something to hide, myself included. However, just because you are somewhere doesn't give someone the right to be standing over your shoulder.

The security at Nation is there to keep things in check, cover their ass, and *gasp* I know it's a hard concept, keep their patrons safe.

Yes, it is unfair to assess all of it as people doing things wrong, but you also can't fault an establishment for making sure their patrons are safe and that their asses are covered.

And in case you guys had forgotten...there used to be a serious problem with weapons and the like slipping into clubs. Remember those glorious days of the 90's.

People need to chill the fuck out.

Yes, some places have excessive security, like when I went to Area 1 at Merriweather and there were hundreds of cops in Riot gear...however, Nation ain't one of them.

[tigermomma]

You know what happens to me if a cop gets behind me? I start driving erratically.

I'm always afraid imma get pulled for dui or something.

[maynard]

Your telling me you wouldn’t be a little edgy if every time you walked outside there was a police officer on every corner, or an armed security officer of some kind? What about every time you entered a metro train there would be like 2 guards per car..or everytime you entered the McDonalds a security guard watching every line, every table...

What the fuck are you talking about? That is COMPLETELY unrelated to the topic. The topic is security inside Nation. There is not anywhere near that level of police presence on the streets, nor will it ever be. Who's diverting the issue here now?

the fact is a large security force makes everyone nervouse..i think only the naive would find comfort in a large police presence..when you deploy that many security forces amongst the general citizenry you are close to becoming a police state.

Again, we're not EVEN close. Not even remotely.

but continualy acusing people who find discomfort in large security presence of wrongdoing is a red herring and an attempt to divert the argument by attacking the character of the people making the complaint.

You are such a manipulator of words. Nowhere did I say that. But seriously, Dan, do you feel nervous at Nation if you're abiding by the rules? I don't. There is still a chance of you being hassled for no reason but the chance of that happening is so low it's not even worth your time to think about.

[bboyneko]

*shrugs* i wouldnt feel nervouse if it wern't for the fact that several of my friends have had incidents, and ive been treated rudely before. You start acting nervouse because you realize that the security is power-tripping and might pick on you because you looked at them the wrong way or walked a certain way or wore the wrong shirt. It's like being in an abusive relationship..you have no idea what you might do might set them off. And because they are security and your a lowly club attendee you will never win.

[maynard]

That's a pretty bleak outlook.

[tigermomma]

I just make friends with security. Then they ask me if I'm ok or be alot more polite if I need to go to the drunk tank or get kicked out (which thankfully hasnt ever happened)

[Kidskeptic]

Well security didn't really bother me, actually they didn't even search me or care. It was a pretty dope and chill night. Alot of good vibes for me, you must of just been sketch out or something or to worried about the security then the party.

Peace and Tranquility is a state of mind. :hitit:

[L00p33]

Well security didn't really bother me, actually they didn't even search me or care. It was a pretty dope and chill night. Alot of good vibes for me, you must of just been sketch out or something or to worried about the security then the party.

Peace and Tranquility is a state of mind. :hitit:

Wow...that kinda scares me! Really. I have never heard or seen someone NOT searched! I don't like the thought of people sneaking in weapons. That isn't dope or chill.
AND...I am not really down with the underage thing either. Shame on you for sneaking him in! We all have a time and a season. It is shit like THAT that shut down Buzz the first time!! Not dope. Not Chill. Your post didn't give me "good vibes" at all.

[L00p33]

ps sorry...didn't mean to highjack the thread with my opinions about the search and underage entry.
:D
I usually don't have ANY problems with Nation Security. Actually SIX saved my life one night and many of them (Scott and Aaron and even Frenchie) have had my back several times. I have my personal favorites and a few that I don't particularly like, but really...they usually just do their jobs. They are there for YOU!! When someone is being stupid...you want them there to get your back! If they weren't there you would be bitching when your ass got knocked out, your purse was stolen, or a guy was shoot'n up in the bathroom!!
There was a "new flock" of Security but they come in waves and have a little to learn. Give them a break and know they are there to protect YOU. I applaud the Nation Security Staff!! You've had my back many times through the years, you do a thankless job and you usually do it with style! Thumbs up!
PLUR

[Kidskeptic]

Hey first of all it's not my saying. Also I was just along for the ride and it was one of my friends boy's that I just met and he brung his brother along. And I didnt know about it into after the show. It's none of my buisness anyway's. I came there to see Photek not keep track of kid's. Anyway's he's a breaker not drug head. Thats what shut the club down.

[robert1979]

err....

[Kidskeptic]

Yeah I guess

[znrg3k]

The security is oh so sophisticated and prevents dealers and weapons from getting in.

[sassypance]

Im pretty sure this goes for other DnB heads but I fucking hate "light toys".

:stupid:

they hurt and they're played out. i like laser light shows and fire dancers... not glowsticks.

[Tha Dj Glyphix]

I remember when it wasn't so bad sometimes to do your shyt at the club and not get bothered, however I do remember certain times where I was gratefull for being bothered. Clubs are trully not the place to be doing drugs and be wacked outta ya skull. Shyt can happen real quick once you get outside, and even inside sometimes. Security is supposed to be there to help you young asses from hurting others and yourself. If you wanna get funked up on shyt, just stay at home. I grew up not to far from Nations and lemme just say that even then you better be watching all four corners of your perimeter. The city is allways going to have bad shyt happening and that includes all cities. So do yourself a solid and come out to have a good time, and not to be falling down the stairs and making an ass of yourself. The gritty people who watch and pray on people like that might see you. And as for security in general, I would have to say Nations does a pretty good job with it, and they don't turn into assholes unless they've been prevoked to do so. I prefer going out to dc clubs over b-more for that reason. They don't even search people there and I have to dissagree with that. Peace people and thank you for lookin out DC.

[Muramasa]

I think 'Don't Do Drugs' is a much better message.

[sassypance]

:werd:

[Tha Dj Glyphix]

I'm not going to say all of them are bad but just don't do it at a public place. I think ever1 can make the judgement on that themselves. I don't speak for the dare organization. But I really hope every1 here can be an adult enough to make them desicions.

[Skandar]

Not that I advocate drug use, but I feel much safer around someone on a pill than someone 10-15 drinks deep. And I've certainly hurt myself much more on alcohol than anything else. Honestly if they didn't sell alcohol at the club it would be a much safer place. But then it would suck, so I guess I have no point.

[punkasschikadee]

You know what happens to me if a cop gets behind me? I start driving erratically.

I'm always afraid imma get pulled for dui or something.

:werd:

I have this same problem, even though I am never really doing anything wrong at the time

i dont even drink and drive :shrug:

[Kidskeptic]

I guess I always went there for the phat tunes and still do once awhile ill hit up the bar. :zzz:

[Chicago]

Anybody who doesn't freak the phuck out when they see a cop whether their tags and shit are straight have obviously never lived in Fairfax County. I have never seen anything like the cops around here, I've only been here for a couple of years and I'm already paranoid as fuck about cops. I never used to be this way either. I've lived all over Florida, in Louisiana, California, New York and Chicago and the security and cops here are soooo much more militant here than they are anywhere else. And the highest crime rate too it's enough to make one question which is the cause and which is the symptom.

[NYGblue]

I don't know what this thread is about really but the security at Nation rocked on Friday. Mad props to the door guy who helped me out with a little problem I had. You da MAN!

[psychonautofgod]

I didn't mean to offend anyone, and I can see your points as far as security in DC goes. I understand from walking around the area that day that bad shit definitly happens round there, but I'm still leary about control, and that is my issue. I want people to be safe, but I personally want freedom over security, at least for myself. As far as my doing anything illegal, which was not the case, that's not the issue as much as a social conditioning to be wary of anyone in authority. You see your family torn apart by the system. You see people that make mistakes get put in prisons for endless years. You see this great country of ours turn year by year into a police state where eveything is for "Your Safety". Yeah, I am for us to all have a good time and I would love us all to have a sense of security, but that is an ideal. And as for illegal activities and the law goes, what happens in our cities every year? There are people making more laws to make more of us criminals for doing what at one point wasn't illegal. Peace.

[maynard]

Anybody who doesn't freak the phuck out when they see a cop whether their tags and shit are straight have obviously never lived in Fairfax County.

Now here's where you feel dumb -


I live in Fairfax County.

[KiKiXOXO]

I'm surprised at how lax the pat-downs have been lately.
Buzz has to show a strong security presence or they'll get shut down again.
And it's always nice to have security around when you're getting hassled by a$$holes!

[robert1979]

"you want a chivato on every corner looking after you, watching everything you do, everything you say, man?"


I fucking love that movie

[bboyneko]

http://www.jehovahswitnessonline.com/images/nation_security.jpg

[maynard]

Buzz has to show a strong security presence or they'll get shut down again.

that really doesn't have anything to do with Buzzlife... the Nation staff handles the searches. take it up with them? :shrug:

i agree, though. whatever keeps the party up and runnin'.

[PunkRSteve]

What I find funny is that most of the people who bitch about the security, are usualy the ones who are either acting like sketch balls in the first place, or come off with an attitude problem when they are aproached about something. Paranoid maybe? Seriously I've been going to clubs for over 10 years, and I can definatly say that our security is not that bad. In fact unlike most nightclubs, management stresses de-escalation over use of force. There are alot of reasons why we ask people to do or stop doing things, that many patrons are not aware of. Things that affect our liquor license, or even buzzlife being able to hold Cubik every week. Fact is, nightclubs and particularly those in DC are under enormous pressure now to stop EDM partys, or have you all forgotten about the Rave Act. However it's amazing how many "innocent" people get thrown out every week.

Seriously, if you have an ACTUAL problem with the way you were treated by a staff member, or you were thrown out, and you really didn't do anything wrong (and don't try to play it off if you actualy are wrong, we can tell pretty easily), then you need to bring it up with me, or management so we can adress the issue. Our security is not without faults, it's not perfect, and like anything involving people, mistakes are sometimes made. However if a mistake is made, and you find yourself being removed, DON'T RESIST, go clamly with the security, and then politely ask them to explain why you were removed from the club. If they are rude, come to the front and talk to me, Sixx, or Aaron.

for you bboyneko, if you really feel that Nation security is a bunch of jack booted thugs like that picture you posted, then you really don't need to come to Nation anymore. However, I'd like to know what you think the place would be like without security to keep your butt safe! I've been to nightclubs without any real security, and it's not fun! Not to mention on the other end of the spectrum were the security really is a bunch of thugs, and were they really will fuck with you over little shit, or beat your ass for no reason. If you feel Nation's security is that overbearing, that it's so invasive, you obviously have little idea how bad things really can be.

[DelawareKids]

i would like to add my 2 cents, I had a friend (female) get kicked out one night because a gaurd says he saw "something in her hand"
She had nothing on her and was only drunk
But yet because she walked into the bathroom w/ what appeared to be a closed hand, when she came out of bathroom, she got tossed out.
While I agree that I feel more secure w/ them there( than say a underground party filled w/ shady peeps), such heavy handeness in NOT called for.

[plur2all]

I have no problem with Nation security, in fact I find them all to be pretty chill. They are not over-bearing, nor rude, nor have they ever done something out-of-line. As pretty much everyone has said up to this point, unless you have a reason to be sketchy then you should have no problem. I talk to security as much as I talk to my other friends during the night. They really are cool people just doing their job and I hate to see anyone down them.

[Chicago]

What I find funny is that most of the people who bitch about the security, are usualy the ones who are either acting like sketch balls in the first place, or come off with an attitude problem when they are aproached about something. Paranoid maybe? Seriously I've been going to clubs for over 10 years, and I can definatly say that our security is not that bad. In fact unlike most nightclubs, management stresses de-escalation over use of force. There are alot of reasons why we ask people to do or stop doing things, that many patrons are not aware of. Things that affect our liquor license, or even buzzlife being able to hold Cubik every week. Fact is, nightclubs and particularly those in DC are under enormous pressure now to stop EDM partys, or have you all forgotten about the Rave Act. However it's amazing how many "innocent" people get thrown out every week.

Seriously, if you have an ACTUAL problem with the way you were treated by a staff member, or you were thrown out, and you really didn't do anything wrong (and don't try to play it off if you actualy are wrong, we can tell pretty easily), then you need to bring it up with me, or management so we can adress the issue. Our security is not without faults, it's not perfect, and like anything involving people, mistakes are sometimes made. However if a mistake is made, and you find yourself being removed, DON'T RESIST, go clamly with the security, and then politely ask them to explain why you were removed from the club. If they are rude, come to the front and talk to me, Sixx, or Aaron.

for you bboyneko, if you really feel that Nation security is a bunch of jack booted thugs like that picture you posted, then you really don't need to come to Nation anymore. However, I'd like to know what you think the place would be like without security to keep your butt safe! I've been to nightclubs without any real security, and it's not fun! Not to mention on the other end of the spectrum were the security really is a bunch of thugs, and were they really will fuck with you over little shit, or beat your ass for no reason. If you feel Nation's security is that overbearing, that it's so invasive, you obviously have little idea how bad things really can be.
How about getting your balls cupped during the door search? I know alot of people will see this and be like "Aww he's just talking shit" But I'm serious. I have been there with female friends who have been waiting on the other side watching and seen it too. I don't know if it's policy or if you have fags doing door searches but gettting my sack felt up is NOT how I plan to start my evening. And how many times have you heard of someone getting stabbed to death in a nightclub by a pen? And I have to wear glasses because policy prohibits me wearing contact lenses by not allowing me to carry rewetting drops. Some of your policies are VERY invasive.

[PunkRSteve]

How about getting your balls cupped during the door search? I know alot of people will see this and be like "Aww he's just talking shit" But I'm serious. I have been there with female friends who have been waiting on the other side watching and seen it too. I don't know if it's policy or if you have fags doing door searches but gettting my sack felt up is NOT how I plan to start my evening. And how many times have you heard of someone getting stabbed to death in a nightclub by a pen? And I have to wear glasses because policy prohibits me wearing contact lenses by not allowing me to carry rewetting drops. Some of your policies are VERY invasive.

balls cupped? Are you sure you didn't come on saturday? I find that highly unlikely considering many on the search line don't want to go there in the first place. However search wouldn't be needed if dumbass people wouldn't keep trying to sell drugs in the club. Maybe if people came for the party insted of trying to deal dope we would lighten up a little. Then again, it's not your business license so why should you care? Buzzlife can always take the party to some other club if Nation got shut down, right?

As far as the pens go, yeah I have actualy seen people stabbed with pens before. It happened at tracks more than once. Problem with pens is they not only pose a danger by being used as a weapon, but again dumbass people just can't seem to understand that tagging the bathrooms is not only a pain in the ass, but costs us money to clean. So bye, bye pens. If you need to write down a phone number the bar has stubby pencils, or like most people these days you can use your PDA, or cell phone.

I know the contact lens thing seems like a pain too, and honestly I know it seems a little overboard. However, consider this. We cannot tell the differance between actual contact lens solution, and something that is spiked with LSD, GHB, or other liquid drugs. Since the laws are so harsh, we have little choice but to take no chances. If you all got a problem with it, do your part and get the Rave Act thrown out. Thats the best thing you can do.

[maynard]

My testicles have never been fondled, groped, carressed, or otherwise touched by the Nation staff. :shrug:

[znrg3k]

Though, fights last a bit longer than they should.. but there is lots of floor to cover. But when it's next to the bar you'd expect a fast response.. from personal obversation it takes time... but... I surely haven't observed every fight and I suppose they respond as timely as possible.

[BgBlkGuy]

It amazes me that people that have not worked security has so many negative things about how security is handled. There is alot more to it than meets the eye. I encourage everyone that has something negative to say about security to give it a try for about 2 months. You can gain alot of understanding of what goes into security when you walk a mile in my shoes. I'm sorry but there is not a part in the job description that states you have be friendly. I know that there are people out there that give us a bad name. Those were the kids that got shoved in a locker in school and now it's time for a bit of payback. This is not Utopia that we live in. You really can not expect a bouncer to be friendly at all. You try watching numerous amounts of people, while also making sure there is no underage drinking, in addition to drug activity, compounded by watching your own back, and other security's back, and any other type of activity that is not allowed. It can take a toll on you and you can't wait until the night is over. Extra security is a show of force. You might know how many it's going to take, but you know how many they are going to use. Just have a good time and dont worry about security, and dont make them worry about you.

[Kidskeptic]

We came to party. :crying:

[plur2all]

It amazes me that people that have not worked security has so many negative things about how security is handled. There is alot more to it than meets the eye. I encourage everyone that has something negative to say about security to give it a try for about 2 months. You can gain alot of understanding of what goes into security when you walk a mile in my shoes. I'm sorry but there is not a part in the job description that states you have be friendly. I know that there are people out there that give us a bad name. Those were the kids that got shoved in a locker in school and now it's time for a bit of payback. This is not Utopia that we live in. You really can not expect a bouncer to be friendly at all. You try watching numerous amounts of people, while also making sure there is no underage drinking, in addition to drug activity, compounded by watching your own back, and other security's back, and any other type of activity that is not allowed. It can take a toll on you and you can't wait until the night is over. Extra security is a show of force. You might know how many it's going to take, but you know how many they are going to use. Just have a good time and dont worry about security, and dont make them worry about you.
On this note, I want to thank security of Nation. They put up with people being rude and disrespectful of them, when all they do is their job. Like I said before, I talk to security almost as much as I talk to my friends and they are good people. They really aren't looking to hassle you, if they do, it's because they feel you have violated a policy of Nation. Like Sixx said, if you get in trouble and feel it is on false terms, leave quietly, then politely take it up with Aaron or him up front.

[Chicago]

It amazes me that people that have not worked security has so many negative things about how security is handled. There is alot more to it than meets the eye. I encourage everyone that has something negative to say about security to give it a try for about 2 months. You can gain alot of understanding of what goes into security when you walk a mile in my shoes. I'm sorry but there is not a part in the job description that states you have be friendly. I know that there are people out there that give us a bad name. Those were the kids that got shoved in a locker in school and now it's time for a bit of payback. This is not Utopia that we live in. You really can not expect a bouncer to be friendly at all. You try watching numerous amounts of people, while also making sure there is no underage drinking, in addition to drug activity, compounded by watching your own back, and other security's back, and any other type of activity that is not allowed. It can take a toll on you and you can't wait until the night is over. Extra security is a show of force. You might know how many it's going to take, but you know how many they are going to use. Just have a good time and dont worry about security, and dont make them worry about you.
I have not only worked security but I have managed nightclubs. And you better believe that if anybody on my staff (and there have been some) had your attitude they would have received their walking papers. Make no mistake about the fact that you are in a service industry. In that respect you are no differant than a waiter or any other service personel. And yes you are expected to do your job with respect and courtesy to the paying patrons of the establishment. This is why you rarely see me at nation, the staff and management see a black and white with nary a gray zone in between. You owe your livelihood to the party, it isn't the other way around.

[BgBlkGuy]

I have not only worked security but I have managed nightclubs. And you better believe that if anybody on my staff (and there have been some) had your attitude they would have received their walking papers. Make no mistake about the fact that you are in a service industry. In that respect you are no differant than a waiter or any other service personel. And yes you are expected to do your job with respect and courtesy to the paying patrons of the establishment. This is why you rarely see me at nation, the staff and management see a black and white with nary a gray zone in between. You owe your livelihood to the party, it isn't the other way around.


How does what I wrote reflect my attitude? I really want to know what I reflects my attitude. No different than a waiter? I think you have this completly incorrect. Yes they are in service industry, but a waiter's duties and security's duties differ greatly. Don't take this wrong way, but you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Chicago]

Have you read what you wrote? There is nothing in your job discription that says you have to be friendly? If not then it's time Nation revised its code of conduct.

[RYU]

I have bounced at DREAM and @ nations for CODE. I can tell U security deals with alot of drunk pricks or BS. Nations staff has always done a good job in my opinion. Couple of my boyz work there and shit I have had to be kicked out for being to drunk in the past. So they don't play favorites from that aspect. I think they do a fairly good job. U want to go to a dress to impress club and see how security treats U? NOw that is some funny shit. At those parties it's more of an elitist trying to keep up the bouncer persona and they want certain type of clientel + they R going for a different image.
Most people come to Cubik to dance and for the VIBE. I've seen security have to throw out plenty of people there and I feel they do a good job. Mad propz to U guyz for holding it down!

And yes anyone that thinks they have a attitude do a day in there shoes. It's not hanging out but a job like any other. That also makes the party less appealing by the way. At least for me it did.

[maynard]

Have you read what you wrote? There is nothing in your job discription that says you have to be friendly? If not then it's time Nation revised its code of conduct.

Just to play devil's advocate -

When you're kicking someone out for starting a fight, are you supposed to be chipper with them?

[Liftedtrance]

Just to play devil's advocate -

When you're kicking someone out for starting a fight, are you supposed to be chipper with them?

i really dont think he is referring to throwing someone out for a fight.

i really think he is just referring to in general, in dealing with the patrons, not when dealing with ones that have become unruly

[maynard]

I think Fani was talking more about the enforcement aspects of the job.

As someone who has never worked in security or whatever, I personally don't give a fuck if the bouncers are terribly friendly or not. As long as they do their jobs and otherwise leave me alone, I could really care less. I don't think a bouncer should be considered "service staff." They're not really serving you anything, unless they're serving your ass onto the sidewalk.

[BgBlkGuy]

Where I have worked before I was never friendly. I wouldnt hand out hand jobs and hot towels. That's not what I'm there for. I'm there to work and make sure shit doesn't get out of hand, and that's what I did.

[BgBlkGuy]

Just to play devil's advocate -

When you're kicking someone out for starting a fight, are you supposed to be chipper with them?


You put that motherfucker into orbit right up there with the Hubble!!!! :D

[Chicago]

The only reason I chimed into this conversation was because a newbie was being flamed for noticing a heavy security presence. And he was being flamed for nothing. Then the issue of how invasive the security procedures and policies are and I happened to agree that they are VERY invasive. I don't care if the goddamned United States Army raided the club. Good or bad the procedures suck for someone who is only out to have a good time. You kids are obviously used to it and thats ok for you. But it doesn't make the process any less shitty wether it's called for or not.

[maynard]

Dude, do you REALLY think security measures at Nation are that invasive? Are you serious?

Ooooooh, they make you empty your pockets and they pat you down. They don't make you take off your shoes. They don't make you remove any articles of clothing. I've been to clubs where the security is much more stringent. And even IF the Nation search were the most rigorous in the country, they've been shut down twice, don't you think that's somewhat warranted? I guaranee that I value my personal space/privacy/whatever every bit as much as you do, and I have yet to have anything remotely resembling invasive happen to me at Nation. Now the DC Tunnel, that's a different story...

[Chicago]

Warranted or not for people coming from other parts of the coutry where this type of security is unheard of it is very invasive. That is the point I'm trying to make here. And as for the ball cupping it has happened to me more than once and I have seen others complain about it on the board as well. You can doubt it all you like but it happens.

[Liftedtrance]

scrotums need luvin too! :(

[maynard]

It's never happened to me. It's never happened to any of my friends.

Which is not to say that it never happens, but it would seem that it doesn't happen very often at all. How long have you lived in this area? How familiar are you with Buzzlife @ Nation's history? Do you realize how scrutinized the EDM scene around here is?

When you take all those factors into consideration, I don't feel the search is invasive. Maybe in the occasional case of ball-cupping, but what if the bouncer's hand slips or something? Maybe your nuts have been jocked but someone else might take contact to mean "cupping." If we were in some podunk town where the entire political community wasn't against "raves" it would be a different story. But with all the shit that's gone down at Nation in the past, you're bound to encounter a more strict search than most other cities.

[Chicago]

I have been in the area for a couple of years now and yes I know the history of the club and the news and all that other stuff. And no matter how much you think it is justified it doesn't make it any less invasive. You choose to accept it and I applaud you for your fortitude. I on the other hand don't accept it and this is why it is on such rare occassion you see me there. Am I doing anything wrong? No, but like any other person I don't like being treated like an inmate because I have the capacity to do wrong.

[RYU]

Um I have noticed at Nations how Ur dressed they check U more stringent. Like if I get off work and go in dress cloths they don't really check me as hard VS if I were a visor some candy or whatever. I think that's funny but don't have an issue with it.

Yes DC Security is Damn tight. Have U been to anyother venues? Like the 1s with the metal detectors...lol

[Chicago]

Ive been to some other places like five and stuff and everywhere else I've been everyone is pretty much at ease. More like every other club I've been to in the country.

[RYU]

Ive been to some other places like five and stuff and everywhere else I've been everyone is pretty much at ease. More like every other club I've been to in the country.
Try DREAM or Platinum. I don't really think there more stringent but they R worried about knives and guns.

But yeah I feel ya bro! And the ball cupping better not happen to me or I will get thrown out for fighting.

[larrylove]

security is great there ive been to clubs where security is everywhere ,they take away glow sticks and stuff and ive had been to clubs when they have have security follow you into the bathroom its like the fucking army is in the club it totaly sucks like the clubs in virginia beach they have more security in the club then friggin people in them and i still see people pass drugs in those clubs even with the army of security thats why i love nations they keep everybody under controll and there not there in army force

[Chicago]

I went to Platinum once when I first got here. Never again. There was no search or anything the club just blew chunks.

[LordOfThePance]

What exactly is "too much fun?"

[LaZyCrZy]

I went to Platinum once when I first got here. Never again. There was no search or anything the club just blew chunks.

Amen

[maynard]

I have been in the area for a couple of years now and yes I know the history of the club and the news and all that other stuff. And no matter how much you think it is justified it doesn't make it any less invasive. You choose to accept it and I applaud you for your fortitude. I on the other hand don't accept it and this is why it is on such rare occassion you see me there. Am I doing anything wrong? No, but like any other person I don't like being treated like an inmate because I have the capacity to do wrong.

Who is treating you like an inmate? Are we even talking about the same club?

I'm not "accepting" invasiveness, I simply don't think it's invasive. I've never had my balls touched. I've never been kicked out when I wasn't doing anything wrong. I've never been hassled by security when I wasn't doing anything wrong. I've never felt nervous in the club before. All this = not invasive. At least to me. Maybe you view it as invasive, but that's your opinion so don't state so mattter-of-factly that it IS invasive, because you're in the minority.

[phunkphreaker]

This is a problem I have with most of the board. No disrespect to each of you individually, I know most of you and you are good people. But this person came on here with an observation that he made and offered comment. At no time was he disrespectful to the club, the party, or the people in it. And yet again anyone who offers any sort of critical observation is met and dealt with extreme prejudice. Sik Bug, I know of you through others and have met you and you seem like a really cool guy. But at no time did he mention drugs or illegal activity, yet you paint him out to be all of these things because like most people he feels that the security at nation has gone from watching over the patrons to just watching the patrons. Lighten up people, justified or not the security at nation is pretty militant. It doesn't mean that everyone who notices it as such are hardened criminals.

well said!

[plur2all]

At this point all I can say is, if you have such a problem and feel like the security is so much worse then other clubs, go to other clubs. Security at Nation is actually a kick-ass group of people. We wouldn't expect anything less from the best party out there.

[SweetTea]

I haven't been to nation in a couple of years, but I can see both sides of this. Personally, I don't want a huge creepy guy following me around all night because he thinks I might be doing drugs or sucking my man off in a corner or whatever. I just think it's inappropriate. However, after having partied in ATL for awhile (and if any of you kids, esp. DnB purists, have ever been to ATL, you'll understand what I mean), and seeing the 2 types of people who go to parties with no security (drug dealers/users, and violent peeps looking for trouble), I'd much rather be at a safe party.

I used to go to those "underground" parties. Yeah, the vibe was great, but ppl died because there was no running water, or the capacity was breached and someone overheated, or someone got some bad drugs and there was no one watching to call for help, or police came and took everyone to jail. Suddenly, the "vibe" didn't matter. I'm reminded of a massive in the desert in Cali. (where the security was understaffed and incompetent) when my friend Matt wandered into the desert tripping on acid and died of exposure..... 'nuff said.

It's a trade off. Security could learn to be more personable (if they act the same as they used to, they could be ALOT more personable), but I'm awefully glad they're there.

-Tea

[Wickity]

Show me your hands.

[giftgirl]

I haven't been to nation in a couple of years, but I can see both sides of this. Personally, I don't want a huge creepy guy following me around all night because he thinks I might be doing drugs or sucking my man off in a corner or whatever. I just think it's inappropriate. However, after having partied in ATL for awhile (and if any of you kids, esp. DnB purists, have ever been to ATL, you'll understand what I mean), and seeing the 2 types of people who go to parties with no security (drug dealers/users, and violent peeps looking for trouble), I'd much rather be at a safe party.

I used to go to those "underground" parties. Yeah, the vibe was great, but ppl died because there was no running water, or the capacity was breached and someone overheated, or someone got some bad drugs and there was no one watching to call for help, or police came and took everyone to jail. Suddenly, the "vibe" didn't matter. I'm reminded of a massive in the desert in Cali. (where the security was understaffed and incompetent) when my friend Matt wandered into the desert tripping on acid and died of exposure..... 'nuff said.

It's a trade off. Security could learn to be more personable (if they act the same as they used to, they could be ALOT more personable), but I'm awefully glad they're there.

-Tea
I do not think security is there to babysit those people who come to a party to do drugs. Their responsibility is to not let the drugs into the club in the first place. It seems like you are saying that parties were bad b/c people did not have security to watch out for them or to call for help. I just do not think that is their job. They are there to make sure that the club is a safe place.

That really sucks that your friend died when he wandered into the desert, but is that the responsibility of security to make sure he didn't.?How would have security helped in this matter? I do not think that it would be the responsibility of nation security to make sure people who are on acid do run out in the street and get hit by a car.

I don't know, this is just my personal observation after many years of partying.

[elad]

maybe they should deploy a "security blimp" in there...





:smurf:

[Chicago]

Who is treating you like an inmate? Are we even talking about the same club?

I'm not "accepting" invasiveness, I simply don't think it's invasive. I've never had my balls touched. I've never been kicked out when I wasn't doing anything wrong. I've never been hassled by security when I wasn't doing anything wrong. I've never felt nervous in the club before. All this = not invasive. At least to me. Maybe you view it as invasive, but that's your opinion so don't state so mattter-of-factly that it IS invasive, because you're in the minority. in·va·sive http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dinvasive) ( P ) Pronunciation Key (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ibreve.gifn-vhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/amacr.gifhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gifshttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ibreve.gifv)
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Of, engaging in, or given to armed aggression: <cite>an invasive military force.</cite>
Marked by the tendency to spread, especially into healthy tissue: <cite>an invasive carcinoma.</cite>
Of or relating to a medical procedure in which a part of the body is entered, as by puncture or incision.
Tending to intrude or encroach, as upon privacy.
See number four. Maybe you think having yourself searched at the door doesn't meet the definition but infact it does. You think it is warranted and don't have a problem with it. Some of us do. But the point is, wether you think the intrusion is warranted or not doesn't make it any less of an intrusion.

[bboyneko]

I'm reminded of a massive in the desert in Cali. (where the security was understaffed and incompetent) when my friend Matt wandered into the desert tripping on acid and died of exposure..... 'nuff said.

It's a trade off. Security could learn to be more personable (if they act the same as they used to, they could be ALOT more personable), but I'm awefully glad they're there.

-Tea


why the fuck do people do drugs jesus

[plur2all]

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adj.

Of, engaging in, or given to armed aggression: <CITE>an invasive military force.</CITE>
Marked by the tendency to spread, especially into healthy tissue: <CITE>an invasive carcinoma.</CITE>
Of or relating to a medical procedure in which a part of the body is entered, as by puncture or incision.
Tending to intrude or encroach, as upon privacy.
See number four. Maybe you think having yourself searched at the door doesn't meet the definition but infact it does. You think it is warranted and don't have a problem with it. Some of us do. But the point is, wether you think the intrusion is warranted or not doesn't make it any less of an intrusion.
You don't like the fact that they pat you down looking for weapons? Go somewhere else in SE where they don't do a pat down (a light one at that) and see how safe you feel. Or go somewhere where they do a heavy pat down (i.e. DC Tunnel) Security is there for your safety, not to get all up in your shit. In fact, they hate having to deal with people causing problems, and that's the only kind of people they do approach. If you are so self-absorbed or paranoid to think they are all watching you, you have issues.

[LizE]

I went to Platinum once when I first got here. Never again. There was no search or anything the club just blew chunks.

Amen. Platinum does suck balls (IMO). If I wanted to listen to shitty music played on 99.5, I'd fucking stay home and listen to 99.5. At least I wouldn't have to pay the $15 cover...

[DelawareKids]

screw anyplace that doesnt check peeps for weapons

[Chicago]

You don't like the fact that they pat you down looking for weapons? Go somewhere else in SE where they don't do a pat down (a light one at that) and see how safe you feel. Or go somewhere where they do a heavy pat down (i.e. DC Tunnel) Security is there for your safety, not to get all up in your shit. In fact, they hate having to deal with people causing problems, and that's the only kind of people they do approach. If you are so self-absorbed or paranoid to think they are all watching you, you have issues.
Or just don't party in the most dangerous part of the country?

[L00p33]

You know, I support them on the board here, because MOST of the security at Nation are GREAT!! I did have a few run-ins. Once I was assaulted, they never stopped to ask me what happened, I was pushed because of a "she said" incident. Clearly, that is NOT the norm. Sometimes they have to make a quick judgement call...it doesn't always land in your favor - unfortunately. My husband and I have also had several small incidences with untrained or unexperienced security there. But those have been minimal (maybe three in two years?) I think they try to do what they are trained to do...the younger, and newer ones seem a bit zealous at times, but they will learn. (I don't like when they "learn" on me...but they will learn :D ) I would say the security do a pretty good job at keeping bathrooms safe, the dancefloor safe and the DJs safe. It really IS a thankless job.
S

[L00p33]

Okay...damnit.
I had to go and read all the dumb postings...Damnit.
I have been "frisked" almost every Friday, a few Saturdays and some Thursday nights for two years. My many friends, and my husband also have experienced the pat-down. NEVER have I EVER heard of anyone getting a "feel-up". I would question what you consider "cupped". Maybe you just haven't been touched in that special way in a long time? Maybe it felt a bit too nice?! - My suggestion: next time PAY the bouncer that makes you feel "special", instead of feeling guilty about the feelings later on and posting how they suck. I have been "raped" (pulled over for a pat-down) at the airport and no one ever does a thing about it!! I STILL feel personally invaded and it was over a year ago!!
I already posted that I think anyone trying to enter the club under-age or un-frisked disturbs me. There are rules for a reason.
I DID post about a few run-ins...but hey, it's a club and I go there A LOT!! I have a personal issue with one of the security staff there, but I avoid him/her and have never had a problem since. As a whole, they never lerk over my shoulder. They have been quick to help me the few times I have been sick in the bathroom and helped me get out and to my husband. They have had my back when jack-asses are being stupid and aggressive. When I have noticed a fight breaking out or shit going-down, I usually just get out of the way. Why? Because the Security will be there in two seconds flat and have it under control!! AlwAYs!! I have NEVER seen differently.
As I posted before, I have actually had my life saved by the security there! I didn't post the incident, but I will let you know, Six followed our asses to the corner that night. My husband and I didn't know he was even there behind us. We walked up the sidewalk and within 3 min. were caught up in a VERY serious fight that came from another club. A man was literally getting killed in front of us.I freaked. About that time, Six showed up and "fixed" things. Real Quick!! He saved that man's life, I am quite sure he saved mine. He took control of that situation in 2 seconds flat, and he did it ALONE. He commanded attention, and demanded respect. THAT is what I want from security...not warm fuzzy feelings.
Nation security has always heard my complaints, when there were problems. I haven't always agreed with everything and the way it was handled, but sometimes when you don't know what's going on (in security's defense), you just need to remove both parties or the party involved. Sort out the problems later.
I have gone to clubs less secure... Club 5 was mentioned. Yes...great. I also have been pick-pocketed there and had my purse taken right off my arm. Security there wouldn't help me. Period. They wouldn't even stop people going out, or ask them to open their coats for me. I have had men physically assult me there...nothing was done. The guy that did the assulting worked at another club in the area and was security there. Apparently when you are at five? If the guy that keeps grabbing you works at a near-by club, they get a warning and you get told to dance on the other side of the dancefloor. NICE. Needless to say, me and the husband don't make it to CLUB 5 like we used to. They lost our business. We used to go EVERY Saturday. Not because we hate the bartenders, or the DJs, we hate the lack of security there. Period.
Again, I applaud the security. Six and Aaron do a great job. Scott is the nicest mean guy I know and there are many other guys and girls that deserve a round of applauds.
Nothing is flawless, running a club and keeping it safe is not easy. I think the only problems either way come from a lack of respect. When patrons don't respect the security or when the security lack respect for the partons - then there are problems.
I applaud them for keeping Nation up and running, for getting my back when I needed them, and listening to me when I have had a problem.

[T to the asha]

I have never had a problem with security...

and i usually am doing something wrong.

[Chicago]

Loop, I have to say it. You clearly are a fucktard. Why do you feel the need to turn every single thing you don't personally agree with into a personal attack on the poster? I'm happy you haven't had the same experiences I have, that doesn't however negate the fact that I've had them. And others on the board have complained about the same shit. So until you are being searched by the same staff as the men are you basically don't know shit. So sit back and put a sammich in that big gaping maw of yours and kindly shut the fuck up!

[T to the asha]

There is definately middle ground here.
Any club someone will have their woes with security and such, but honestly they must run a certain way to STAY open.
Nation has had problems before (mostly due to drug usage) and they are just trying to prevent the club from shutting down again.
Security is just doing their job, EDITED FOR CONTENT

But I can see both points of views. The bottom line is if you don't like it, don't go.

[Mystical Sins]

The reason why the light toys, party kids and candy kids are mostly gone, is because security will follow us around all night if we have any candy on or dance with lights. I know I'm gonna get reamed for saying it, but ever since they got shut down and then re-opened it's not the same. Guess that's the point. Anyway, I don't go anymore, I find other "raver friendly" places to go. I'm not gonna change who I am just to go to Buzz or Cubik whatever.

[The Jezereck]

Scott is the nicest mean guy I know.

havent seen scott around lately, where's he hiding?

[The Jezereck]

Loop, I have to say it. You clearly are a fucktard. Why do you feel the need to turn every single thing you don't personally agree with into a personal attack on the poster? I'm happy you haven't had the same experiences I have, that doesn't however negate the fact that I've had them. And others on the board have complained about the same shit. So until you are being searched by the same staff as the men are you basically don't know shit. So sit back and put a sammich in that big gaping maw of yours and kindly shut the fuck up!

gonna have to defend l00p33 here man, shes def..ly no fucktard, shes one of the greatest people i've met from the club, very down to earth and caring person. She also stated that her husband and friends (me included) havent had those expieriences, which we havent. I've been goin to the club since 99 every friday i get patted and believe me if i wasnt gettin groped people would def..ly be knowin about it. And as for keepin her mouth shut I like the things she has to say so darlin jus keep a postin. Not tryin to attack ya man, but you clearly have never met L00p33 to know what kind of person she really is.

[T to the asha]

The reason why the light toys, party kids and candy kids are mostly gone, is because security will follow us around all night if we have any candy on or dance with lights. I know I'm gonna get reamed for saying it, but ever since they got shut down and then re-opened it's not the same. Guess that's the point. Anyway, I don't go anymore, I find other "raver friendly" places to go. I'm not gonna change who I am just to go to Buzz or Cubik whatever.


I dunno, I always dance with glowsticks, give light shows, wear candy, pass out candy and security never has a problem with me. Then again I just enjoy myself I dont really worry about security... even if i should

[Liftedtrance]

There is definately middle ground.......
you should edit your post. those kind of references shouldnt be on the board. thanks

[Mystical Sins]

Well to be honest, neither have I. But several of my friends have. And due to the overall change in people at the club, a bunch of us stopped going.

[Kidskeptic]

Just enjoy the party who cares about everything else.

[The Jezereck]

Just enjoy the party who cares about everything else.

mos def..ly

[antimusic]

serioulsy you dont appreciate having security there till you need it! and the staff i know personally are really nice. they're just people for heavens sakes, its not like there are police men with ak47s in the club (THAT would be disturbing)

[PunkRSteve]

serioulsy you dont appreciate having security there till you need it! and the staff i know personally are really nice. they're just people for heavens sakes, its not like there are police men with ak47s in the club (THAT would be disturbing)


in certain countrys, they actualy have that, and I'm not talking about commie/fascist countrys either.
however this thread at least gave me a good idea about what I should for a holloween costume.

[Chicago]

gonna have to defend l00p33 here man, shes def..ly no fucktard, shes one of the greatest people i've met from the club, very down to earth and caring person. She also stated that her husband and friends (me included) havent had those expieriences, which we havent. I've been goin to the club since 99 every friday i get patted and believe me if i wasnt gettin groped people would def..ly be knowin about it. And as for keepin her mouth shut I like the things she has to say so darlin jus keep a postin. Not tryin to attack ya man, but you clearly have never met L00p33 to know what kind of person she really is.
Then tell her to stop putting shit like this into what would otherwise be an intelligent discussion and there isn't a problem.

NEVER have I EVER heard of anyone getting a "feel-up". I would question what you consider "cupped". Maybe you just haven't been touched in that special way in a long time? Maybe it felt a bit too nice?! - My suggestion: next time PAY the bouncer that makes you feel "special", instead of feeling guilty about the feelings later on and posting how they suck.
I'm not the one starting the personal attacks here.

[T to the asha]

you should edit your post. those kind of references shouldnt be on the board. thanks

What are you talking about? I didn't say anybody in specific... plus the 1st amendmant is still in practice, right?

Anyways, it's kind of naive to think that everyone who goes to cubik just sticks to the alcohol.

[juicyjay]

What are you talking about? I didn't say anybody in specific... plus the 1st amendmant is still in practice, right?

Anyways, it's kind of naive to think that everyone who goes to cubik just sticks to the alcohol.

any drug references.

[FutonBunny]

i honestly think people need to watch what they say to people they don't know a little more closely.

[Qubit]

This is exactly the kind of shit this whole post is talking about, not being safe at a club.

"Watch what you say" "You shouldn't say that" "You shouldn't do that" bullshit.

Some people just remember a country when people were FREE to do what they wanted and not be really bothered or told what they should or shouldn't do.

Security at Nation is not bad compared to say GLOW, or other places in DC. But that IS THE POINT.

Nation is under SEVERE SCRUTINY, and that does in turn spill over into SCRUTINIZING THE PATRONS of the club.

As far as I know, Nation on Friday nights hasn't ever really had a problem with violence. And yes, security checks ARE AWESOME FOR THAT POINT. But give me a break, search me and let me be. If I'm not harming anyone else, LET ME BE, and let everyone BE WHO and WHAT they want to be.

The problem is bigger than Nation, and YES Fairfax County is a perfect example.

WE USED TO HAVE RIGHTS PEOPLE!!!!

And GOOD PARTIES NEVER USED TO BE ILLEGAL.

The fact that drug use is such a problem is NOT because there aren't enough people looking over everyone in society making sure they're doing the "right" thing, it's because we don't teach kids and other people the REAL dangers to drugs and their effects, physiologically, psychologically, and sociologically. Drugs are bad because people abuse them and it causes negative drains on "society" at large, not just because people shouldn't do them. Responsibility is the problem, and if the government wanted us to be more responsible they would support and encourage such behavior. They would EDUCATE people about the effects of drugs NOT suppress ANY research on the subject. They only fund studies that will definitely show detrimental effects of drugs (i.e. use human does on a rat, etc). That's not science or education. That's promoting irresponsibility. And why? Because they stand to make TONS, BILLIONS of dollars.

DC/VA has the most REGULATING police/military force in the country and one of the highest crime rates (i.e. DC) goes to show they are not REGULATING CRIME OR DRUG USE.

They are making more money for their organizations, and creating more jobs. Same goes for DUIs. They don't care if you're drinking and driving, THEY are drinking and driving as much as anyone else (if not more based upon cops that I've known).

Nation security has NOTHING to do with this shit. They are just doing their jobs, but the fact is THERE IS A DEMAND for them to do their jobs as they have been, and VIOLENCE is not the reason.

The government OVERregulation is, and in that sense the Newbie is right. It doesn't really affect the party too badly, but the fact is, yes their presence (in the form of Nation security) is known INSIDE the venue. That is not the norm in the scene around the country. Yes some places are worse than others. For example, I'm from the South side of Chicago (born and raised), and do understand the issues of security and protection. Yet, Spundae and Crobar in Chicago don't search (not that I agree with that at all, but they don't). These parties haven't had problems with violence. Yet, Sound-Bar in Chicago (pretty new) is TOTALLY NAZI!!!! And that's were Sasha, PVD, and the likes have been playing. Nothing like Nation. Go there and feel like shit, for real.

So, yes there is a middle ground, but Nation security is not the issue, it's really the club scene and more generally FREEDOM.

If we want to see changes in our lives, clubs, schools, work places, security in these places is not the place to start making changes, it's by petitioning the government, VOTING FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!!

NOT JUST FOR PRESIDENT, but for SENATORS and REPS alike! KNOW what's going on, and make sure POLITICIANS know what you think.

Because again, Politicians are NOT in the business of repression, they're in the business of RE-ELECTION. They make the laws they do because WEALTHY lobbyists and friends want laws certain ways. If politicians are held to the issues and forced to listen to "THE PEOPLE" things will get changed if we VOTE those changes in. Its OUR VOICE. So speak up. But NOT TO NATION SECURITY.

Sorry folks, but you're voices are falling upon deaf ears. The effects at Nation are a REACTION, not an ACTION. So to change things, people need to go to the source, not keep reacting to the reaction.

Anyways, my two (three, four????) cents.

Peace and much love to EVERYONE

[plur2all]

Wow, way to voice your opinion.

[Chicago]

Whaaah he made fun of Rhonda the fucktard, give him negative rep but don't sign it cuz then he'll know who the other fucktards are. Cry me a fuggin river but please at the end, get the fuck over it.

[Chicago]

I have said it once and I will say it again. I am about the pluriest person you meet. However if you start shit with me I'm also the most likely to call you on it. If you don't want your friend insulted tell her to step the fuck up off me. Pretty simple really, if someone starts up with one of my friends I will step up in a second, but if my friend is starting shit they better be able to stand up for themselves.

[T to the asha]

I still don't understand why drug references are "bad", or I "shouldn't say them". What are you gunna do? Lock me up?

Damn, for party kids you sure are close minded and overly sensitive. That's quite lame.

[i licked JOEYd]

a quick recap of this thread brings up the old addage:

THE SCENE IS DEAD!

:ohmyfuckinggod:

*criesincorner*

[i licked JOEYd]

please

[i licked JOEYd]

LOCK

[spiggums]

of course it's dead... I killed it...


now whatchoo gonna do about it?

[badkitty3804]

I have said it once and I will say it again. I am about the pluriest person you meet. However if you start shit with me I'm also the most likely to call you on it. If you don't want your friend insulted tell her to step the fuck up off me. Pretty simple really, if someone starts up with one of my friends I will step up in a second, but if my friend is starting shit they better be able to stand up for themselves.
*hug*

We usually disagree, but you're not a bastard. :ANden:

People have different opinions...that's life. :shrug:

[Qubit]

The scene is not DEAD, just a little battered.

"gives Joey a hug in corner"

I'm sure Kandi Kid night will be the best night EVER. MUCHO PLURINESS!!!!! And that is the point of my last post, Nation security DOES NOT ruin Buzzlife parties. Many other places have that problem, but Nation is not one of them. Let the PARTY CONTINUE!

Peace and much Love

[Qubit]

I LOVE FRIDAY NIGHTS AT NATION!!!!

They are my godsend.

[larrylove]

155 ?????????

[T to the asha]

What's kinda funny to me is that my friend got thrown out yesterday (the 8th) ... ironic since I just stated i never had a problem with security... But they are just doing their job.

[larrylove]

what did you do ?

[T to the asha]

what did you do ?


I didn't do anything, I just had to leave cause she was my ride... but basically she was holding her bf's drink (and most likely sipping from it) with two huge black xes on her hand.

Even though we had to leave abruptly, they are just doing their job.. SO if you get caught doing something you aren't supposed to be doing you just have to suck it up and realize it's on you and not Security's fault.

Some people don't seem to get that.

[larrylove]

oh ok

[T to the asha]

What were you expecting me to say, out of curiousity? haha.

[spinal cracka]

the security at nation is no joke ive seen them beat the s*** out of this one dude, he was asking for it tho.

i dont mind a lot of security as long as they are polite and unintrusive.

[LordOfThePance]

Going to Five a few times and seeing fights run there course before the BARTENDER finally comes in to break it up gives you a better appreciation for the security at Nation.

[spiggums]

Going to Five a few times and seeing fights run there course before the BARTENDER finally comes in to break it up gives you a better appreciation for the security at Nation.
or some of the fucking shady ass shit that's been known to happen in that dark room behind the dancefloor that you have to go through to get to the DJ booth...

[Chicago]

original poster did talk about illegal activity......

Where do you see illegal activity in this post?

Seriously, I have never seen so much security in a club. EVER. I drove 3 hours to get there and then felt like I was in a jailhouse. Granted the music was great and Goldie and Photek just ripped it up, but come on, how can you relax when you feel like you're being watched to make sure you're not having too much fun. Also, I was a little sad to see so few party kids and so few light toys. Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me that the scene there is a bit rigid. If anyone decides to do a real party ie.underground, little security, no cops, w/map points, filled with fun people and good psyvibes, give me a heads up.
Peace and Tranquility.

Why didn't you sign your name and own your opinion? Thats what I thought, just another jackass with a keyboard!
:beaker:

[Bioteknik]

how many legal parties need map points to keep the location secret?

/devils advocate.

[KiKiXOXO]

It's more fun to have a secret!

[Bioteknik]

plus the 1st amendmant is still in practice, right?


1st amendment holds no water here.. remember those rules you agreed to when you registered? you are supposed to follow them.

[T to the asha]

1st amendment holds no water here.. remember those rules you agreed to when you registered? you are supposed to follow them.

Wow. That was like a week ago.
It's over with. :)

[larrylove]

who gives a shit about security ill see you all at RITM>>>>>>>>

[Samsara Camp]

I totally agree, the security is way too tight. ive been coming to nation since 1996, when the club use to actually get packed out and the real rave vibe was alive. Yes this meant candy ravers, drug dealers, xtc, and "danger". but thats wut made going to a rave so much fun. the parties are now filled with :monopeeright: suburban kids, scared of urban realities. and im sorry to say the rave experience no longer exsists in the metro area. Hopefully one day life will again be sparked in the party scene and we will all realize that everyone has the right to party in their own way wheither it be gettin high, enjoying the music, dancing, or feeling the excitement of the underground or all of the above. Maybe those who dont wanna experience a rave should stay home.

keep it real
Rob murphy
SRC-PRO (http://www.SRC-PRO.com)

P.S. - If you don't think im about the music then go to any Record store in Dec and pick up the promo copies of my 2 newest 12" releases imported from LONDON (Audiotroopa- "Street Gangs with Missiles"ep & Robert Thomas- "the Summoning")... I've actually been producing for over 6 years nows and helped throw one of DC longest running parties (Sunday Night Sessions). But i guess im not about the music huh...

[spiggums]

:yap: someone care to explain how this post has been up for nearly 10 hours and no mod has edited it yet?

(note: not trying to tell the mods how to do their job... but talk about someone reinforcing the worst negative stereotype about this "scene"... cause he obviously is all "about the music")

[Liftedtrance]

someone care to explain how this post has been up for nearly 10 hours and no mod has edited it yet?

(note: not trying to tell the mods how to do their job... but talk about someone reinforcing the worst negative stereotype about this "scene"... cause he obviously is all "about the music")

i *think* anything goes in this thread, for some reason..... i noticed a questionable post earlier, and pointed it out, but i think it's been up for liek a week w/o being edited. :shrug:
maybe i'm not clear on the guidelines. :banana:

*edit - i just went back b/c i quoted the questionable material and i was gonna take it out of my quote, but then saw that it had been edited. :D (even in my quote) cool

[fracta1001]

The only good line in that entire movie.

corniest one:

I do it for "da nod"

[fracta1001]

security is good i will say. hell, i got caught with a drink and they escorted my ass outta there. can't complain, it's just their job.

plus, i've seen some REALLY messed up ppl there, and at least they have the courtesy to take them in the back out of sight.

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

ive never had problems with security...and its b/c i dont create problems or do bad things...when i get in line to be patted down i have my cigarette pack open, everything out of my pocket...its quick, its easy...i dont know what youre talking about...security is not too tight, or rigid or whatever...its safe

[DeAtHmOnGeR bEaR]

I would like to point out that I've never had a problem with security at Nation....

Unless you count that big blonde guy who used to scream at people up on the second floor duing Buzz days....... "MOVE OUTTA THE WAY!"

[Chicago]

As most of you know, I have always been critical of the security at Nation. I have never caused a problem at Nation and I have never been ejected from Nation by security. Perhaps it is because I am from other parts of the country, like Chicago, Florida, and Louisiana mainly, but I am not used to such a heightened security presence at a club and I have never been to another club that makes you turn out your pockets at the door. You guys are used to this and you accept it thats great. But the last I checked Buzzlife and Nation were two completely seperate entities. So why do people get so bent out of shape when people who are obvious supporters of Buzzlife speak critically of Nation and it's security. I have seen some of you defend your own mothers less passionately. It's pretty silly when you step back away from the conversation and look at things as an outsider.

[larrylove]

it does not matter if they search you or not cause girls have vaginas and guys have assholes and thats the way most things get in that they are not supposed to what do you want them to do get you naked squat a cough 2 times leave the security issue alone and lock this shitty thread

[BizarroCub]

You know...and then when somebody sneaks in a gun or something or they get shut down because dumb asses are sneaking in drugs or some other such nonesense, I bet a lot of the ones bitching about security would be he first ones bitching that Nation got shut down because security fucked up.

[larrylove]

exactly they should pat you down i totaly agree you can find wepons real easy that way but the drugs its impossable for any club in the united states to stop them from getting in look even in prision you can get drugs so the way nations is set up is fine the govt should never think about closing down a club cause of a couple of assholes get into the club with drugs if that would be the case they need to close down the prision system !!!!maybe the security should take the icons advice :jeffrey: