There needs to be a SEPERATE forum for producers only

[Morgoth]

Dont really see the point in having a DJ/Production forum, its so hard to sift thru to find good production tips etc. really feel this is the only part of the board thats lacking .. who needs to discuss djing that heavily anyways, just practice ! my 2 cents

[original2k]

maybe this should be in the dj/producer section........

[Wickity]

I don't think there's enough posts to justify the split. Besides, who needs to discuss producing that heavily anyways, just practice ! my 2 cents

[Muramasa]

I don't think there's enough posts to justify the split. Besides, who needs to discuss producing that heavily anyways, just practice ! my 2 cents

Stop taking the wit out of my mouth.:shady:

[/slowonthedraw]

[the sex molesters]

:shrug:

whatever, who cares?

[Morgoth]

well when your a producer which i take none of you are , it really helps to share tips on the basics and stuff, of course everyone needs to practice to get good, but its not like djing becasue its sooo much more in depth and complicated. im mainly curious just to see some of the techniques some of the house/trance/whatever peeps use cause ive only been exposed to d&b wisdom. maybe the dj forum is well needed , but cant the 2 be seperate? if you dont care, dont reply.

[badkitty3804]

Try to get more producers on the website and you may see some type of split. Right now there just aren't enough threads and posts to justify another forum. Nothing wrong with wanting to get tips of the trade. :shrug:

The board could use more users that are into production IMO.

[Matt Sanborn]

This has come up before and buzzlife does not want to split the forum.

my apologies

[empath]

i agree that we should split it... and I also think we would have more producers talking if we had a seperate forum just for production...

[empath]

Maybe just a 1 month trial on splitting it? See what kind of traffic we get?

[Matt Sanborn]

i agree that we should split it... and I also think we would have more producers talking if we had a seperate forum just for production...

we know you want to split it

you started a thread about it last time and got a firm "no" from the asian

I bet it will be the same this time

[Matt Sanborn]

im indifferent on it to be honest

[Morgoth]

i agree that we should split it... and I also think we would have more producers talking if we had a seperate forum just for production...

:werd:

[Wickity]

well when your a dj which i take you are not , it really helps to share tips on the basics and stuff, of course everyone needs to practice to get good, but its not like producing becasue its sooo much more in depth and complicated. im mainly curious just to see some of the techniques some of the house/trance/whatever peeps use cause ive only been exposed to breaks wisdom. maybe the poducer forum is well needed , but i don't think they need 2 be seperate? if you dont care, dont reply.

[Morgoth]

well when your a dj which i take you are not , it really helps to share tips on the basics and stuff, of course everyone needs to practice to get good, but its not like producing becasue its sooo much more in depth and complicated. im mainly curious just to see some of the techniques some of the house/trance/whatever peeps use cause ive only been exposed to breaks wisdom. maybe the poducer forum is well needed , but i don't think they need 2 be seperate? if you dont care, dont reply.

http://pages.infinit.net/bluefire/Images/gayfight2.gif

[Liftedtrance]

i agree that we should split it... and I also think we would have more producers talking if we had a seperate forum just for production...

my sentiments exactly.

I produce.

[Liftedtrance]

http://pages.infinit.net/bluefire/Images/gayfight2.gif

lol. nice.

[asian]

we have a bajillion forums already and, and there isn't enough of a demand to warrant a seperate producer forum. all you have to do is check the forum and sift out what pertains to you, is that too much to ask?

[Morgoth]

we have a bajillion forums already and, and there isn't enough of a demand to warrant a seperate producer forum. all you have to do is check the forum and sift out what pertains to you, is that too much to ask?

ya, because there are about 10000 threads about "what record bag should i get" and "where can i get cheap records", i really just cant be bothered. i'll take the grid on DOA anyday.. just take note of how many people actually discuss production on that forum, if there was a seperate one it would be much different i assure you. producers in the know dont want to bother with it because theres so much shit they dont care about,..

[asian]

not saying that it can't or won't be done, just that this is the first tim in a while that this has been brought up.

[Morgoth]

not saying that it can't or won't be done, just that this is the first tim in a while that this has been brought up.

props for the reply :)

[BrianArsenault]

just chill on doa or the dsci4 board.

[Morgoth]

just chill on doa or the dsci4 board.

yea the grid is where its at. its just a shame theres not even a rough equivilant on the local you know >?

[Bioteknik]

http://pages.infinit.net/bluefire/Images/gayfight2.gif
holy crap that smiley rocks!! LOL

[original2k]

that was actually quite clever of u wickity lol, and yes bio, that smiley is ownage incarnate

[Subzeroprod]

I produce but I dont bother looking in the DJ/Producers section because like what was said earlier its to hard to sift though and see what you want to see....I mean for real how many of us care about were you can buy cheap vinyl? if you looking for cheap vinyl then you shouldnt be spinning just my .02 cents :thumbsup:

[spiggums]

.I mean for real how many of us care about were you can buy cheap vinyl? if you looking for cheap vinyl then you shouldnt be spinning just my .02 cents :thumbsup:
I'm missing something in your logic chain here...

I'd rather find records as cheap as I can... but that's because I generally spend anywhere from $600 to $1000 a month on records, so I'd like to be able to find the place that I can get the best deals on the records with decent service... I fail to see how that makes me unfit to spin...

[Liftedtrance]

I'm missing something in your logic chain here...

I'd rather find records as cheap as I can... but that's because I generally spend anywhere from $600 to $1000 a month on records, so I'd like to be able to find the place that I can get the best deals on the records with decent service... I fail to see how that makes me unfit to spin...

Yea, I was wondering about that logic too.
mo records - mo records!
FOR LESS MONEY = GOOD

[designer]

I think it's a great idea to split the forums. It will make finding posts so much more easier. I have done a web design course and was taught that relevance is key! Producers don't want to spend hours searching through posts for relevant topics, and DJ's don't want to spend hours looking for tips and tricks. Seems stupid not to do the split to me.

Come on guys don't make bad practice - split the forums. :)

[Wickity]

Yeah, listen to this guy.. He took a course!

:wickity:

[Muramasa]

DJ's don't want to spend hours looking for tips and tricks

Hours? You're kidding, right?

[designer]

There's always someone that takes a post so literally trying to be witty. No wonder people spend hours looking for damn posts!!

[Subzeroprod]

I'm missing something in your logic chain here...

I'd rather find records as cheap as I can... but that's because I generally spend anywhere from $600 to $1000 a month on records, so I'd like to be able to find the place that I can get the best deals on the records with decent service... I fail to see how that makes me unfit to spin...
not saying that you shouldnt get records for cheap but how many different people have to post a topic about it I mean if you guys would look back a few pages and see the same guestion post on it instead of making a new one I mean is it so hard I guess so...It didnt really mean if you look for cheap records and spend 1000 dollars a month that your unfit to spin...the people who spend 50 bucks a month are the ones i was referring too....Just remember sometimes while cheaper vinyl is cheaper it is also warped...or something wrong with it....but then sometimes you can find good cheap vinyl you just have to get the right place :puppydog:

[deejayclutch]

I don't think there's enough posts to justify the split. Besides, who needs to discuss producing that heavily anyways, just practice ! my 2 cents


who needs to discuss djing that heavily anyways, just practice ! my 2 cents

[not applicable]

if you produce and youve never djed.


i can guarentee your shit sucks.


thats all. it just sucks.

if you have no idea how records interact with each other, the only bombs youre gonna be droppin are in your toliet.



anyone can mash together a bunch of sounds together and call it producing a track.

just like anyone can mix together records right after another without making them play together for longer than 4 bars and call it djing.





anything takes time to get good at and you need to learn ALOT.


saying either one is harder than the other is nonsense.

no producers = no records to play
no djs = no reason to produce


its interchangable.


but imo, djing comes first. you get good at that.

THEN once you have a solid understanding of musical structure, you develop the sound you want to bring, genre rules, etc.....you can start producing halfway decent shit.

[Wickity]

.. who needs to discuss djing that heavily anyways, just practice ! my 2 centsI don't think there's enough posts to justify the split. Besides, who needs to discuss producing that heavily anyways, just practice ! my 2 centswho needs to discuss djing that heavily anyways, just practice ! my 2 cents
Read it all, then understand the bitter tasting humor, then post. :traviswork:



if you produce and youve never djed.


i can guarentee your shit sucks.


thats all. it just sucks.

if you have no idea how records interact with each other, the only bombs youre gonna be droppin are in your toliet.



anyone can mash together a bunch of sounds together and call it producing a track.

just like anyone can mix together records right after another without making them play together for longer than 4 bars and call it djing.





anything takes time to get good at and you need to learn ALOT.


saying either one is harder than the other is nonsense.

no producers = no records to play
no djs = no reason to produce


its interchangable.


but imo, djing comes first. you get good at that.

THEN once you have a solid understanding of musical structure, you develop the sound you want to bring, genre rules, etc.....you can start producing halfway decent shit.

I have to disagree with you here. There are plenty of people out there who can take musical theory classes and just listen to music and begin producing outstanding tracks. The two fields are definitely highly interdependant, but I wouldn't say that you statements are true except on a truly amateur level.

Also, many people write songs whether they get played or not.. they just do it because they love it. So, they don't really need DJs... :gotme:

[spiggums]

if you produce and youve never djed.


i can guarentee your shit sucks.


thats all. it just sucks.

I couldn't possibly disagree more!

Some of the best producers I've heard are crap DJs (or don't DJ at all)... in fact, I would argue that by DJ'ing first and then producing you're less likely to do anything new or original... Not saying that there aren't DJs turned producers who put out some innovative music... just that there's an extra obstacle to overcome in the process...

[not applicable]

i dont see how you can be good at creating something for something you have never done.


it doesnt seem logical to me.


if you dont know whats gonna rock the floor, how can you sit back and pretend like your track is gonna slam?

i just dont understand your idea of this.

and musical theory is all good and nice. but nothing beats actually learning what works behiend the decks.

[spiggums]

i dont see how you can be good at creating something for something you have never done.


it doesnt seem logical to me.


if you dont know whats gonna rock the floor, how can you sit back and pretend like your track is gonna slam?

i just dont understand your idea of this.

and musical theory is all good and nice. but nothing beats actually learning what works behiend the decks.People who create something so that it can work in a certain kind of set are limiting themselves before they even begin...

If you're creating something because you know it will work behind the decks... chances are you're working on something that's formulaic and done already...

[Bioteknik]

everything's been done before..

[buzzboy]

Dont really see the point in having a DJ/Production forum, its so hard to sift thru to find good production tips etc. really feel this is the only part of the board thats lacking .. who needs to discuss djing that heavily anyways, just practice ! my 2 cents

i have always agreed with this idea, in fact when empath brought it up a while ago i thought it was a great idea, besides i dont really think it is fair to clump the dj's with the producers when what they do is so different.

vote for the split +1

[spiggums]

everything's been done before..
There's always a way to, at least, put a new spin on something...

just saying "everything's been done before" sounds like one is throwing their hands up in the air and resigning themselves to a career of mediocrity.

[Bioteknik]

mediocre or great, it's probably already been done before. dance music = making people dance, that is all.

[Liftedtrance]

if you produce and youve never djed.

i can guarentee your shit sucks.

thats all. it just sucks.

if you have no idea how records interact with each other, the only bombs youre gonna be droppin are in your toliet.

anyone can mash together a bunch of sounds together and call it producing a track.

just like anyone can mix together records right after another without making them play together for longer than 4 bars and call it djing.

anything takes time to get good at and you need to learn ALOT.

saying either one is harder than the other is nonsense.

no producers = no records to play
no djs = no reason to produce

its interchangable.

but imo, djing comes first. you get good at that.

THEN once you have a solid understanding of musical structure, you develop the sound you want to bring, genre rules, etc.....you can start producing halfway decent shit.

you are falling into the trap of thinking that the way you are doing
something is the only/ right way.
You'd be surprised at how much someone who doesn't DJ can
know about music.

[spiggums]

mediocre or great, it's probably already been done before. dance music = making people dance, that is all.
if that was all then I wouldn't be as passionate about music as I am...

(or obsessive, depending on who you ask)

[not applicable]

i see what youre all saying.

you might be able to know a great deal about music. but make slammin tracks for the floor??? i dont think so.

and as for everything being done..........its true.


everything is like that.


everything.

but that doesnt mean you cant still create something original.

everything has influences.

to deny that is the same as denying it even exists.


and im not thinking i only do it the right way.

im just stating what i think.

i will take back what i think the day i hear a slammin ass track that i would bump in a set made by someone who has never djed.


i dont understand youre logic and i really cant understand your argument about that part of the discussion.


note: i DID say before that not all djing i really consider djing, too. just to put that out there, so im not all against the producer individuals here.


i am gonna get into producing eventually. but i need to learn alot more first. then i will create tracks that I would want. you see? that I could drop. not for anyone else. then i KNOW its gonna be slammin. at least for my set. cause i know what i need. you see?


if you dont know what you want in terms of what you want it to do in your set, how can you make a truly moving slammin track? it might be a nice piece by itself. but djing is NOT ABOUT PLAYING ONE SONG AND THEN ANOTHER. its not. atleast what ive grown to define djing as.

ok, im done now.

[Liftedtrance]

i see what youre all saying.

you might be able to know a great deal about music. but make slammin tracks for the floor??? i dont think so.



will you stop ignoring the fact that it already does indeed
happen?
some producers don't DJ and they make "slammin" tracks
for the floor.

you keep saying the same shit.
"oh, if you've never DJed you don't know how songs go together..."

yes you fuckin can!

yes, DJing could add quite a bit of insight into production, but is in no
way a necessity in order to make quality music that can be mixed with
other music.

making a track is, in a way, like DJing.
except instead of basically mixing the beginnings and endings
of songs together, you are mixing sounds together within a song.

They are similar in some ways, different in others, but you don't
need to be a DJ in order to be a producer, or vice versa.

[Wickity]

i will take back what i think the day i hear a slammin ass track that i would bump in a set made by someone who has never djed.
http://www.btmusic.com/

Produced long before he started DJing, and even if you don't like the tracks, you can't deny that they've moved a *lot* of bodies along the way.

[Liftedtrance]

http://www.btmusic.com/

Produced long before he started DJing, and even if you don't like the tracks, you can't deny that they've moved a *lot* of bodies along the way.

perfect example.

thank you.

[badkitty3804]

I know people that have been djing for years now and probably couldn't create a good track no matter HOW much technical help they got. They may have an excellent ear for being able to recognize a good track or the creation of an amazing set. But being able to make a song that 'moves people on the dancefloor' isn't necessarily something you learn from djing. Nor do you learn every element that a musician needs to know for the composing of a song.

so why can't that argument work in reverse?

Why can't someone that has NO experience DJing, but the ear for sound and an imagination for it, be able to because they haven't fiddled with turn tables? Some solid education in music theory and composition, mixed with the technical knowledge and experience with the music genre (ie. BEING the one on the dance floor moving) - and I think you have someone that's as capable as any other.

:shrug:

Then again, I'm a newbie at all of this...so :shrug:

[Bioteknik]

if that was all then I wouldn't be as passionate about music as I am...

(or obsessive, depending on who you ask)
you're taking what I'm saying too literally. i tend to be a bit vague though.

different people have different levels of quality they expect, but in the end, it's still dance music. :D

[Bioteknik]

I know people that have been djing for years now and probably couldn't create a good track no matter HOW much technical help they got. They may have an excellent ear for being able to recognize a good track or the creation of an amazing set. But being able to make a song that 'moves people on the dancefloor' isn't necessarily something you learn from djing. Nor do you learn every element that a musician needs to know for the composing of a song.

so why can't that argument work in reverse?

Why can't someone that has NO experience DJing, but the ear for sound and an imagination for it, be able to because they haven't fiddled with turn tables? Some solid education in music theory and composition, mixed with the technical knowledge and experience with the music genre (ie. BEING the one on the dance floor moving) - and I think you have someone that's as capable as any other.

:shrug:

Then again, I'm a newbie at all of this...so :shrug:
I agree, it's not a pre-requisite, but it certainly could help. a hook is a hook no matter who made it. just because someone doesn't spin doesn't mean they don't know the ins and outs of how to make a track for the floor. they could be someone who is an avid listener and is writing tracks they'd like to hear.

[spiggums]

http://www.btmusic.com/

Produced long before he started DJing, and even if you don't like the tracks, you can't deny that they've moved a *lot* of bodies along the way.
fucker... I was gonna cite him as an example!!!!!

I will cut you!

[spiggums]

you're taking what I'm saying too literally. i tend to be a bit vague though.

different people have different levels of quality they expect, but in the end, it's still dance music. :D
ok... cause like... seriously... the way I read that... I was all... wait... this muthafucka DJs... and someone who DJs in an underground scene and isn't passionate about the music... well, there's something drastically wrong there :wink:

[not applicable]

ok.

maybe you can do it.

i dont think its the way to go however.

i still feel my way, but its senseless to argue cause apparently im only saying the same thing anyways, which was actually MY FUCKING POINT. but you know, i guess youre only suppoesed to hold your view for one post and then change it.



well.

no.


i dont care what you all say. you have to know what the fuck is going on.

[not applicable]

and, btw, bt does not count for your argument.


he is a freak of nature.

[badkitty3804]

:hitit:


But seriosly, are you even trying to look at it from another point of view?

Are you saying that someone that is just an avid music fan/has knowledge about music in a technical sense (a person that 'gets down on the dance floor') has no ability to produce good bangin' music?

[spiggums]

and, btw, bt does not count for your argument.


he is a freak of nature.
Fine... what about Basement Jaxx...

I don't believe they were DJs before they started making music (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)... they've since started DJ'ing (and the time I caught them, they weren't technically all that good... but they did play a lot of good tunes)

[not applicable]

fine, this is how much im gonna look at it from a different point of view.....







i quit djing.



fuck it.

thanks you all.


jesus christ.



i hate breaks and i hate all of you. im never coming back to the decks.......NEVER!!!!!




no stfu. i dont care. maybe you can produce music without being a dj. there are exceptions to every rule and you all are gonna point out all the little exceptions and im talking general, so in that case. youre right.

but i am still gonna not produce for awhile.

[badkitty3804]

DJ Rap started as a producer. She was a classically trained pianist.

[not applicable]

yea-------------------------h.


dj rap.


theres a solid canidate right there.






tell her to pm me.

[badkitty3804]

I'm not a fan of her dj sets, but she's produced some awesome tracks. :shrug:

[not applicable]

maybe the difference is just our taste in what is good and what isnt.

[badkitty3804]

So what you're saying is:

What you like is good, what you don't like isn't.

There's a lot of music out there that I don't like personally, but I can at least recognize that it's good.

[not applicable]

why would i not like it if i thought it was good.

and why would i like it if i thought it wasnt good?

isnt that kind of opposite?

[Liftedtrance]

why would i not like it if i thought it was good.

and why would i like it if i thought it wasnt good?

isnt that kind of opposite?


you can think something is good without liking it.

for me, classical music is an example.

I don't like classical music, but I can appreciate that it's good
music. In fact, very good music, much of it has stood the test
of time more so than any music I currently like.
Classical music is definitely good, but I don't like it.

[not applicable]

im not like that.

if i think its good....i like it.

it doesnt matter what genre it is.

if its good i appreciate it for its quality and value as oposed to whether or not i would choose to bump it in my car.


quality is something i admire. so obviously i am gonna like it if its good.

[mattb]

n/a , are you certain every record in your bag was produced by individuals with 2+ years djing experience prior to becoming involved w/ production? I wouldn't think that could possibly be the case.

[PYVND]

I can see both points of view.

On the one hand, if you don't DJ, but enjoy producing, then having a separate forum may be better. It may grow more quickly, than if it were mixed with DJing stuff.

At the same time, for someone like me that enjoys techno but does not DJ, reading from DJs is a good thing. I like to hear from producers as well, but honestly, I'd rather read something from a good DJ that lays down some real knowledge, than from a newbie producer. Overall, there are better places to learn about production, than buzzboard. Hopefully that can change, but until then, I'm happy to see the forum be a mixed environment.

[not applicable]

actually i dont know.


and im just talking shit.

this should really come as no suprise to anyone.

i really dont know anything about producing.


:ontome:





but i do know that IM not gonna get into producing until i have gotten good at djing.

[Liftedtrance]

actually i dont know.


and im just talking shit.

this should really come as no suprise to anyone.

i really dont know anything about producing.


:ontome:



but i do know that IM not gonna get into producing until i have gotten good at djing.

Well, I guess we shouldn't expect any original production work
from you in our lifetime.
:woot:

[not applicable]

Well, I guess we shouldn't expect any original production work
from you in our lifetime.
:woot:


thats probably true cause i suck at djing.


i have a long ways to go.




the good always die young anyways.

[Liftedtrance]

thats probably true cause i suck at djing.

i have a long ways to go.

the good always die young anyways.

So did you say if you thought the producers should have a separate
forum, or do you not even care?

[not applicable]

oh you mean the actual point of this thread???




yeah we dont worry about that kinda shit on this level.












truthfully i dont care one way or the other.

[mattb]

oh you mean the actual point of this thread???


yeah we dont worry about that kinda shit on this level.



truthfully i dont care one way or the other.



I figured as much......jackass. I'm all for splitting the two forums in the hopes it'll encourage meaningful discussion.

[Morgoth]

You all are missing the point and this thread has strayed hopelessly off topic. Have you ever seen a professional looking production forum?> this dj/production thing does not even compare in the slightest. where are the local producers sharing tips? where are the crucial threads useful enough to bookmark for reference?> where,where,where.. its no secret that producers around here dont want to waste their time

http://www.dogsonacid.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=4

^^^^^^^^^ why would we when we have resources like this?

[not applicable]

you can def blame that on me.

if that place is good, then why do you need to look here?

[Morgoth]

you can def blame that on me.

if that place is good, then why do you need to look here?


because..... as ive already said it would be nice to have a place to share tips with LOCAL producers, to get a feel for the local production scene. that forum is worldwide and hopelessly massive

[not applicable]

well i know nothing about producing.

so yeah.