Soulseek Cru

[RickyRicardo]

Mr. Sandy Vagina sez:
:angel: "But isn't file-sharing over the intar-web illegal???"

my response:
:hitwithrock: "SHUT UP BITCH!!"


Soo...post up your Soulseek names. I wanna find some new shit to listen to, and I trust (most of) your tastes.


Mine iz:
"remarc_is_god" -- I'm at work right now, but I'll fire it up when I get home in about 2 hours or so.


...and b4 anyone says anything.....yes...Mazzy Star

[***Junglist***]

WOah....Mazzy Star is good shit bro. I get crap all the time because I listen to "Potishead". But i could care less......BTW this Was Posted On D&B ARENA STRAIGHT FROM *TRACE"S* MOUTH.....

Those people that don't see DJ's from the UK often, make the most of it. Sound systems in UK and EU are of a high standard, the only club in USA I have played in the last year with a first class system is Sonar in Baltimore MD.

[SCHLiTZ]

Trace is awesome like that.

[ransom]

R4NS0M - that is a zero, and my name is all caps.

Give me mix sets and obscure bands.

[Winterman]

Mr. Sandy Vagina sez:
:angel: "But isn't file-sharing over the intar-web illegal???"

my response:
:hitwithrock: "SHUT UP BITCH!!"


Soo...post up your Soulseek names. I wanna find some new shit to listen to, and I trust (most of) your tastes.


Mine iz:
"remarc_is_god" -- I'm at work right now, but I'll fire it up when I get home in about 2 hours or so.


...and b4 anyone says anything.....yes...Mazzy Star


I do nothing of the sort..!http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/images/icons/badteeth.gif

j/k

Actually I make a point to buy everything I really like at least eventually or only downloading stuff I already have so I can have a strong case when they sue me.:specialed:

I could talk about that stuff for days, but thats enuff for now...

When I'm not listening to D&B/Hip-Hop/Reggae I like to listen to chill music & a little rock....

Here are my suggestions:

Meshell Ndegeocello - "Comfort Woman" or "Bitter" [album titles]
Massive Attack
The Deftones
Fiona Apple
Bad Brains [I had some old worn out tapes of theirs]
Tricky - ChristianSands
Bjork [search for her remixes too]
Everything But The Girl - Tracey In My Room [Deep Dish Remix]
Cinematic Orchestra - All That You Give
Japanese Cinema and Good Anime Movies
Search for Ali G Videos [Uk shows are the funniest]
Dave Chapelle Show Episodes

I cant share them because of my network here @ work... http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/images/icons/dunno.gif

But they should be pretty easy to find....

I need some good new rock bands to listen to [no EMO please..heh] let me know if you listen to any good ones....Ez! :cheers:

[***Junglist***]

THE DARKNESS.......Great Sound. Reminds me of ALL 70's Rock! GREAT GREAT GREAT Stuff....Check em' out Mo & Harry

[darkenetiks]

Give me obscure bands.

munch on this:

as i lay dying - forever (video) (http://66.221.48.11/forevermusicvideo.wmv)

:kick:

[ncrawla]

if you guys want TV rips, learn how to use IRC. p2p networks suck for that kinda shit. i pull down every new chappelle show from IRC at like 300-500Kbps at work...

http://www.ircspy.com and http://www.packetnews.com

irc.rizon.net is the place to find all of the latest TV rips. the new chappelle show is on-line within only minutes to hours after it's broadcast...

[Bioteknik]

damn filesharin mofos :-P

[punkassmark]

damn filesharin mofos :-P
lol....

guess I'm behind the times.... I don't belong to or have any filesharing programs....

actually i just don't care to use them...

[Bioteknik]

hehe.. some people try and trade .mp3's in the breaksfm chatroom while those artists are playing a set.. silly spaniards.

[punkassmark]

that's funny.... takes a lot of damn gall (sp?) or stupidity to do that...


I always figured that if something was meant for all to "share" it would be mass posted on public forums, such as this....

[Winterman]

oh yeah , cant forget futurama... Truly a classic show that can be found online.....

[Synthetikid]

SynthetiKid here- you'll find lots of porn...

[THE BLACKEST]

Deinfamous_dj is mine. My take on the whole P2P thingy, if you're downloading tunes for the purpose of putting them on your laptop and using Final Scratch you are a herb and I will destroy your laptop and piss on your timecode vinyl! :falatic: I mainly have mixes. Breaks, House, Techno, Hiphop, and a little bit of Drum n bass(yeah right). I have about 14gigs of 1xtra stuff so check it out. You have to get my permission to be added tho.

[punkassmark]

if you're downloading tunes for the purpose of putting them on your laptop and using Final Scratch you are a herb and I will destroy your laptop and piss on your timecode vinyl! :falatic:
now that's a funny image....

[Morgoth]

soulseek = :lame:

[djilleffect]

soulseek = :lame:

fuck that, soulseekis hotness. I have certainly not seen anything better - if you know of something id love to see it.

anyway, mine is cleverly enough... "djilleffect" - i dont' share too much though cuz im a greedy fuck head. but if you want something that you know i have, let me know and we can arrange it.

[bbjohnson]

i have ftp server setup at home. I got roughly 40-50 hours of dnb. if anyone has an ftp client like flash fxp and wants access let me know

http://www.zippyimages.com/files/19391/dnbmp3s.jpg

[bbjohnson]

oh... i actually have another cd full of mp3s that i will load on tonight

[Morgoth]

fuck that, soulseekis hotness. I have certainly not seen anything better - if you know of something id love to see it.

anyway, mine is cleverly enough... "djilleffect" - i dont' share too much though cuz im a greedy fuck head. but if you want something that you know i have, let me know and we can arrange it.

its not that its not "good", its that file sharing #sour nerds are destroying record sales and dubplate culture

[***Junglist***]

its not that its not "good", its that file sharing #sour nerds are destroying record sales and dubplate culture

Actually.....I think that file sharing is a good thing. But it can be very bad. Obviously someone had to purchase or be given a dubplate by the artist.
NOW.....I know that if you are given a dub by the artists...ONLY YOU WERE GIVEN IT! Not 30 million people worldwide....but if you want people to anticipate your release a little more..hell...alot more.....you may like that fact that people are sharing your stuff....especially D&B. Seeing as how the music itself is underground (in the U.S.), and it was founded on people giving out Mix tapes...do you think that they cared back then?....not alot of people know about it and use the internet and file sharing programs to find out about it. I have found out about ALOT of "lesser known" (to me) artists through file sharing. Plus...If you produce D&B...people can find out about your toons the same way. Thats just a little elaboration on the subject from me...I might go deeper later :hypnotized: I can't see straight...work sux balls!

[Morgoth]

Actually.....I think that file sharing is a good thing. But it can be very bad. Obviously someone had to purchase or be given a dubplate by the artist.
NOW.....I know that if you are given a dub by the artists...ONLY YOU WERE GIVEN IT! Not 30 million people worldwide....but if you want people to anticipate your release a little more..hell...alot more.....you may like that fact that people are sharing your stuff....especially D&B. Seeing as how the music itself is underground (in the U.S.), and it was founded on people giving out Mix tapes...do you think that they cared back then?....not alot of people know about it and use the internet and file sharing programs to find out about it. I have found out about ALOT of "lesser known" (to me) artists through file sharing. Plus...If you produce D&B...people can find out about your toons the same way. Thats just a little elaboration on the subject from me...I might go deeper later :hypnotized: I can't see straight...work sux balls!

Yes, its a very touchy situation because it can be a good or bad thing. Its good to have the ability to promote your music as an up and coming producer worldwide simply by uploading a file or 2 to a p2p, but the wishes of producers that dont want their music on there should be respected. How would you like to be pendulum for example and have almost all your unreleased tunes on 320 mp3 monthes and monthes before they come out? another thing is , in the case of unreleased tunes that will never be coming out, if a producer wants to have a tune like this on the internet he should be able to . im sure their are other things i cant think of right now, but filesharing's definitely a mixed bag.

[***Junglist***]

I feel for Pendulum.......I had a couple of their tunes WAYYYYYY before they came out! i.e. - "Back To You", "Spiral", "Still Grey" & THE MIGHTY "Vault". A Buddy of mine gave them to me and told me not to give them out...SO I burned them on to a CD and Deleted them. THen I started hearing them...I was like...WOAH! I allready got these....these f*cking guys are BLOWING THE F*CK UP!
Also guys like Plejik, Psidream and even Gridlok.......They all had alot of shit on P2P befor they "MADE IT". You know?
But Stuff like VIP remixes and un released and NEVER 2 BE RELEASED....that sh*t annoy's me like hell. I just don't like the fact that people are greedy. Also i don't like people that record live sets when a DJ comes over form the UK or Europe and doesn't ask them...or asks them and they say NO but they do it anyway. DJ'S HATE THAT SH*T! Ak1200 gets pissed when people record and don't ask, same with Tech Itch, Red One, Dylan and a couple other guys I can't hink of right now.....But I am done for now!

[DjAmP]

I wouldn't know half the artists I know, if it wasn't for file sharing. Plus if I download a good song, and find it at a record store. I’ll buy it.

[THE BLACKEST]

I'm against downloading unreleased music. Maaaad peeps on slsk do that, but I'm not going to say slsk is lame. It happens ya know? Its not killing the whole dubplate culture thing. People are still making tunes and people are still getting sorted out w/ mp3s from producers. Record sales aren't going down or anything like that. If they were BBS, Chemical, Red Eye, and any other major record store you can think of would've closed down already. Anyways, like I said before and I'll say it again, if anyone wants some bangin mixes, hit me up! I have DnB, House, Techno, Hiphop, and Breaks mixes. All of em are top notch shit too. TRUST!

[Morgoth]

I'm against downloading unreleased music. Maaaad peeps on slsk do that, but I'm not going to say slsk is lame. It happens ya know? Its not killing the whole dubplate culture thing. People are still making tunes and people are still getting sorted out w/ mp3s from producers. Record sales aren't going down or anything like that. If they were BBS, Chemical, Red Eye, and any other major record store you can think of would've closed down already. Anyways, like I said before and I'll say it again, if anyone wants some bangin mixes, hit me up! I have DnB, House, Techno, Hiphop, and Breaks mixes. All of em are top notch shit too. TRUST!

its important to look a few years down the road tho as well. at the rate CDRS, final scratch, and all that are catching on, what will be the incentive to buy vinyl at all ? if the people of SOUR and the others that rip tunes from vinyl made them low bitrate material that couldnt be played out it would be no prob but they insist on polluting the market with these 192+ vinyl quality or better promos,dubs,and releases. producers dont intend for their music to be played out this way, if you ask them most will say no so I would say its at least harming the way dubplate culture was intended to be if not killing it

[punkassmark]

BBS & Chemical haven't gone out of business...

but they have raised their prices... so has Nemesis... I'm not too sure if ALphamagic has... regardless, prices aren't raised arbitrarily... there are reasons... These are things to look for on the horizon...


anyway, soulseek is a tool, like a hammer... in the correct hands a it can be used to build something, in the wrong ones, it can destroy the same thing...

[djilleffect]

its not that its not "good", its that file sharing #sour nerds are destroying record sales and dubplate culture

I find that hard to believe when we got dubpolice out the ass in this area. THeres no hesitation on callin people out... a certain mix cd and Hospital records comes to mind...

[punkassmark]

I find that hard to believe when we got dubpolice out the ass in this area. THeres no hesitation on callin people out... a certain mix cd and Hospital records comes to mind...
lol...


there may be dub police, but if a complete track is availible online in very high quality the chances are very great for the average joe DnB enthusiast to not go out and by the record.... yes an enthusiast, not a DJ.... what's happened to them??? you know the guy/girl who really loves the music & has a turntable & just likes to listen at home ... I don't see to many in my area.... it's become a thing of the past... why go to the trouble of buying the vinyl or CD... just download it... doesn't matter, it's not like they are playing it out to anyone.... Well that thought process is another factor in the decline of sales.... with decline in sales comes decline in # of pressed records.... decline of avalible records offset by an increasing number of DJs = higher prices... higher prices coupled with unscrupulous morals = lesser vinyl/CDs purchased.....

I could be wrong, but that's the way I see it...

[Morgoth]

I find that hard to believe when we got dubpolice out the ass in this area. THeres no hesitation on callin people out... a certain mix cd and Hospital records comes to mind...

true , but im not just talking about this area. im talking about the unknown DJ from Lithuania or whatever that spins a CD set of all 320 unreleased dubs to an unknowing audience. when this happens, dubplate culture effectively becomes obselete.

[***Junglist***]

lol...


there may be dub police, but if a complete track is availible online in very high quality the chances are very great for the average joe DnB enthusiast to not go out and by the record.... yes an enthusiast, not a DJ.... what's happened to them??? you know the guy/girl who really loves the music & has a turntable & just likes to listen at home ... I don't see to many in my area.... it's become a thing of the past...

See....Thats what I DO now! I got sick an tired of playing little parties and small clubs for a FREE BAR TAB and $50. I mean...I could've played out a couple of places...but I had such a bad experience playing in little places that it kinda ruined it for me.
I order ALOT of records online....sit in my crib...spin them....maybe I'll put a mix together to listen to @ work or in the car.....but that is it. I used to use...Audiogalaxy and Kazaa....but I gave those up. I used them to get the Older tracks that I didn't have on 12''. I basically had about 2000 D&B Mp3's....THen I burned them all onto CD's...and Put them on my Zip Drive disks. It is basicallyt for my own personal enjoyment......I have songs that I heard....IN FULL...on my cpu.....but i still bought the record. Some shmo's like myself don't like to spin CD's or use "crutches" like final scratch.......If you want to Dj...GET TEH F*CKIN RECORD! This is why people like Metallica have a point in their file sharing argument. BUT I DON'T AGREE With paying to download shiot........weird huh? :shrug:

[THE BLACKEST]

Just like what Dylan said to me once, "Its gunna happen anyways so fuck it". When people play 320s that they are not supposed to they get dealt w/. Simple as that.

[bbjohnson]

i dont mean to be stupid or anything but when you say 320s . are you referring to like the bit rate or wtf?

[Winterman]

the best solution to this IMO is for artists to share their work at a lower but reasonable quality for people to preview it, then the honest listeners, that can afford it, will buy their work for a [reasonable] price.....

It amazes me how people try to portray the image that they do music for the love of it, but when they see a few record sales figures, they want the most they can get.....

Apparently the days of being a rich musician are over :/

But an artist can always make maad money from live performance, you can't bootleg that....

I see good words from all of you in the discussion! Biggups!

[Winterman]

true , but im not just talking about this area. im talking about the unknown DJ from Lithuania or whatever that spins a CD set of all 320 unreleased dubs to an unknowing audience. when this happens, dubplate culture effectively becomes obselete.


But these kinds of unknown DJs rarely get bookings anyway, and if they do, its never for a big audience...right? I don't really know anyone who has gotten [positively] famous and paid to play bootleg dubs... This world is too large to worry about who is playing your tunes on other continents, ya know?;) If these bootlegging DJs were to play for a big crowd, they would have to have a reputation that would link him to having permission for playing the tunes... which wouldn't work realistically....

[***Junglist***]

Good Point MO. Do you remember Remedy...aka Kevin...with R3? He would ROCK ALL OF THE UNRELEASED Dubs....when Fierce was there....Red one....J Smooth....Ak.....Freaky Flow....I don't know why he did it....but alot of them were like "WHo is this guy...and why is he playing those tunes...I DON'T EVEN HAVE THEM!" You know? That KILLED ME! But he would put the tunes on CD's for me! (I would never give them out...just for personal use and collecting purposes)
An Example 4 you all

[darkenetiks]

@ chris...

is he the same kid who played that kemal tune "hostile" one night? who remembers the DCDNB list drama that insued after that one :afterbuzz:

[***Junglist***]

hahahaha....I don't know but that is pretty funny.....seeing as how that tune is SOOOOOOO not coming out. I can't believe dieselboy got to put it on his mix CD! Um......
Did he kinda look like me??? Blonde Hair, 5'11 - 6'0....kinda lankey???? If it is...That is TOO funny! Don't get me wrong, thats my man....but he makes RETARDED calls when he is dj'ing and he is drunk. I think thats why he does it......so he can show of....but who the f*ck cares....ALOT of people that go to D&B shows, (unless they are DJ's) DON'T KNOW what is, and what isn't released, on Dub, Forthcoming, or Soon to be released....all they care about is the MUSIC! YOU FEEL ME?

Mike,
We had Red One.....a couple of months before the Screamer LP came out, and what did he do...PLAYED F*CKING SCREAMER! WHAT AN IDIOTO! Red One was like....where the F*CK DID HE GET THAT!

[darkenetiks]

not sure what he looks like...just remember hearing about it on dcdnb a few years ago. somebody @ cincinatti played it...and people's ears who are "in the know" perked up.

i'll never play a tune i wasn't given permission to play, plain & simple. i have tons of "dubs" on CDs & mp3...but i won't even play them out @ a gig.

[***Junglist***]

I am pretty Sure It Was Him. He does thast sh*t. Thats pretty funny that he used that track.....becasue anyone who is in the know...would know NOT to play that! HAHAHAHA! \
We had MANY a fun time @ The Cincinnati Cafe. Have you beent here mIke? i think you told mne you were...I don't remember!

[U][I][B]HAPPY 4/20 EVERYBODY! PUT YA LIGHTAH'S AND YA SPLIFF'S IN DA AIR FOR ME 1 TYME!

[Morgoth]

people like this that dont ask the producer should be confronted about it imo

[Morgoth]

i dont mean to be stupid or anything but when you say 320s . are you referring to like the bit rate or wtf?

yeah

[darkenetiks]

more than likely...if i hear a local DJ (who i know, or know of) play a tune that i KNOW isn't released, i'll say something to them about it. i asked somebody once upon a time where they got BC's "torpedo" before it was released. they didn't have much to say.

[***Junglist***]

more than likely...if i hear a local DJ (who i know, or know of) play a tune that i KNOW isn't released, i'll say something to them about it. i asked somebody once upon a time where they got BC's "torpedo" before it was released. they didn't have much to say.

WOW! Once upon a time is Right!
TORPEDO WAS MY TUNE! That is some real PROPPA )EIB( tunage right there. I would say it is a classic of theirs. Not a Classic tune...but one of their classics...along with the Nine *DUH*, The Pulse, Tritrons Universe (Spacehopper), PLanet Dust, Snowcats, Spider, Rush Hour, BLind *my Favorite tune with vocals* and they also did a tune under the Digital Nation guise called "Asile 13". NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT THIS TUNE! I don't know why...IT IS MY FAVE!!!! It's got Vocals and an AWESOME GUITAR RIFF! :siihp: :eddie:

[Winterman]

I think people who do that should be left to do their thing, a lot of people my not understand or care about the rules held by the D&B society, as it grows, its guaranteed to get out of hand....

You also can't prevent a person form disrespecting someone else through their actions... The Dub plate rules work well on an island like Jamaica, but worldwide? Its almost guaranteed, especially in the D&B scene, and never worth fighting over, especially if its not music that YOU produced...

It happens a lot, a lot of new producers and even some of the old ones give out copies of their tracks for promotional purposes and when they're on the road, to generate a "Buzz" about it, then once they get signed, the tunes are off limits to non VIPs until they are re-released? There is no easy answer to it, and don't get me wrong, I am not into having open season in dub wars.... but people "patrolling" what people play is kinda silly to me, much better things to waste time on, like PlayStationII....Ez.

[***Junglist***]

Mo....
I understand what you are saying.....but why can't we say something to them about what they are doing? Disrespecting the scene is a big issue to me. If I here dj X play Gridlok - Vampires VIP....and Dj Y knows it's not coming out and he shouldn't have his greedy little mits on it...why shouldn't dj Y say something to the effect of..."Hey man...you shouldn't be playing that tune...I know Gridlok didn't give it to you.....please save the DUBS for personal use ok?"?

BTW....what PSII game are you stuck on right now......I'm stuck in Final Fantasy X and Max Payne II: THe Fall of Max Payne. FUCKING HARD GAMES RIGHT THERE!

[Winterman]

Mo....
I understand what you are saying.....but why can't we say something to them about what they are doing? Disrespecting the scene is a big issue to me. If I here dj X play Gridlok - Vampires VIP....and Dj Y knows it's not coming out and he shouldn't have his greedy little mits on it...why shouldn't dj Y say something to the effect of..."Hey man...you shouldn't be playing that tune...I know Gridlok didn't give it to you.....please save the DUBS for personal use ok?"?

BTW....what PSII game are you stuck on right now......I'm stuck in Final Fantasy X and Max Payne II: THe Fall of Max Payne. FUCKING HARD GAMES RIGHT THERE!

Ey bro!

I'm not saying don't say anything, I think that the cool people with heart will come up. People that do bookings in the scenes around the world pay attention to who crowds like mostly. If the crowd supports the honest and hard working DJs, then the ones that don't really have heart in it will fall to the bottom. More a "karma" philosophy I guess, but I've never been anyone to tell another man what to do ya know... :bandito: I'm always chill on tings...EZ!

[ransom]

BTW....what PSII game are you stuck on right now......I'm stuck in Final Fantasy X and Max Payne II: THe Fall of Max Payne. FUCKING HARD GAMES RIGHT THERE!

Hopelessly addicted to Final Fantasy XI right now... must. level. more.

DNB-related: New mixes for the summer, working on the studio set-up soon. :woowoo:

[Winterman]

oh yeah, I am still on the old school Driver 2 and GTA3 thing. I only dig the driving and flying games, because I have no dicipline to get back to production if I start a deep RPG.... :(

[Bioteknik]

the best solution to this IMO is for artists to share their work at a lower but reasonable quality for people to preview it, then the honest listeners, that can afford it, will buy their work for a [reasonable] price.....

!
actually i think the best way is for labels to start offering cd sales along with records, something like $1 or so a song and then the non-record buying public can still support the artists. the songs are going to end up online no matter what, but if you make it easy for people to pay a small fee for the tunes at least they'll be seeing some more money.

[Morgoth]

I think people who do that should be left to do their thing, a lot of people my not understand or care about the rules held by the D&B society, as it grows, its guaranteed to get out of hand....

You also can't prevent a person form disrespecting someone else through their actions... The Dub plate rules work well on an island like Jamaica, but worldwide? Its almost guaranteed, especially in the D&B scene, and never worth fighting over, especially if its not music that YOU produced...

It happens a lot, a lot of new producers and even some of the old ones give out copies of their tracks for promotional purposes and when they're on the road, to generate a "Buzz" about it, then once they get signed, the tunes are off limits to non VIPs until they are re-released? There is no easy answer to it, and don't get me wrong, I am not into having open season in dub wars.... but people "patrolling" what people play is kinda silly to me, much better things to waste time on, like PlayStationII....Ez.

interesting you should bring up jamaica, the originators of the dubplate and dj culture as we know it .. stealing dubplates and playing them back in those days would have you shot on sight, it has always been just always been part of the culture and understood that you dont play someones new music without their permission and have at least a little respect for the artists's wishes and people should really be called out when it happens

[RickyRicardo]

digital media killed dubplate culture..... Producers either need to adapt (a la online sales), or get left behind.

[Morgoth]

heres an interesting quote from gridlok taken from DOA:

"i for one would be glad to see sour gone. you can argue whether its ok to trade tunes all day long, but there is no arguement thats its wrong to illegally distribute other people's work. most of the labels in drum n bass are small operations ran by the artists, "organizations" such as sour are a direct middle finger in the face to all of us that love this music and put the effort in to pushing the sound further.

-ryan/gridlok"


I agree 100%

[***Junglist***]

See I agree with gridlok on the SOUR thing....But....my theory is.....If you are getting the music for COLLECTING purposes ONLY (which is what I do)......and not distributing purposes...i see not that much harm in it. But you also have to realize that NOT everybody downloading files download the "Newest Dubs" or "Unreleased" tunes. ALot of poeple download tha old stuff and back catalouge stuff that is almost impossible to find here in the states. That is how i downloaded files. I think that last tunes that I got that were still on DUB @ the time were the entire "Music Maker EP" by Fresh.
ANYONE REMEMBER THAT? It had my favorite Fresh tune on it......."Elm Street". Anyone that can make a cool song outta tha Freddy Krueger music from the 1st one....when he chases Tina down the alleyway...then DRAGS HER ACROSS THE CEILING in front of her man...thats cool. Plus it is just a great concept overall. Thats my 2 cents for the day....lets hear yours. PEACE

[Winterman]

but if there are no distributors, then there is no way to collect the tracks....

I think setting fairer prices for music is the best route. It is amazing how the prices for D&B singles are rising while the ammount of records being sold in D&B is rising as well. The average UK distributed D&B single on vinyl now costs nearly 12$, up from about 10$ in 2002. Its not the local record shops doing this. It seems like the D&B heirarchy is watching the RIAA's war on Mp3s and taking cues on how to operate, I think we should examine whats BETTER as a policy to the problem rather than just taking these cues from big industry. The current plan is to sell Mp3s, even without the packaging and physical shipping and distribution costs, at 1$+ per track, thats not quite fair when you look at the volume of tracks sold at those prices increasing as new people get int D&B....

I am speaking about this form a listener's perspective, not from a DJs perspective here, thats a whole other discussion.....:specialed:

[***Junglist***]

Ok...I don't really have the energy to re-iderate what I (probably) have said allready, and in the act of not being repeditive about this.......ugh.........I'll get back to you on this subject.

[Winterman]

ez Chris,

I download too, nothing wrong with that IMO as long as its responsible But I was just saying that someone has to share the files to let people hear them.. People don't have the time to stay in a record shop for hours sorting through records and previewing them anymore. Thats where Mp3s come in well. Producers also need to realize the value of the local DJs that play their work and stop trying to nickel & dime them. The local DJs get a producer's music to the ears of listeners which in turn are the people that will buy their Mp3s.... There is value in that.

I think that if live performances are priced right, along with the record and Mp3 sales at reasonable prices as well, hard working DJs can be well paid. The lazy cats that just want to make 4 tunes a year, keeping 2 on dubplate for most of it, and never touring won't get paid like they used to tho...

Okay, I've talked too much in this thread, I promise, I'll stop...heh

[***Junglist***]

See...I totally agree with your comment about the rercord store. I used to spend 2-4 HOURS in the shops...listening to records, trying to pick up on certain producers sounds....and they vibe that thier tunes give off. For example.....Q Project: ILL! Ruff Distorted beats and serious b-lines. same goes for Total science...together with Spinback...AHH, unstopable.
But thats where MP3's are good....cuz if your a DJ, and you download a track that you just can't get enough of.....then you buy the record....I do at least. Then when I play out...I can drop that tune WHENEVER I WANT! Becuase I heard it first...and liked it......It all goes back to what Moe was saying. But the price of Tuhnes are SO high now a days...nobody wants to f*cking buy anything. Ebay is where it is @!!!! I get record for next to NOTHING! I got the t-10 remixes on white for $5.50! HA! The Tooled Up Remixes for $3.50.....Baron's Virus single "the Way it Was" b/w "Redhead" for $4! I am all over it...and If you choose to "BUY NOW".....you may be able to save alot of $$$ cuz your not bidding against someone! Check it out....plus I have not been "JEWED"...no offense if your jewish......by anyone on ebay (yet). PEACE!

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[Just Charlie]

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[djnumb]

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