Are Ravers the Hippies of the Nintendo Generation?

[Julierose]

I was raised by hippies. I never really thought that I was like my parents till I sat down and thought about what they did when they were my age and realized that there are some striking similarities... What do you think?


YOU ALL KEEP LOOKING AT IT AND NOT VOTING... VOTE DAMN YOU. VOICE YOUR OPINION! DONT BE AFRAID, I WONT BITE...hard.

[sensitiv]

I think there are some definite similarities. But hippies were hippies...there will never be anything quite the same as the first generation hippies.

[binger]

maybe i guess but the hippie back then started as anit war collage kids. we have nothen to be angery about yeah most of are parents are now yuppies. but we have no reason to rebel so i wounld't call my self a hippie. but at late night B hits i ahve been called a dirty hippie. but i don't agree with them.

[Julierose]

I feel ya but how can you say we have nothing to be angry about? Remember that little tiff in Iraq? How about the Crackhouse law? We have plenty to be angry about we just choose not to be...

[badkitty3804]

Anti-rave act movement? ROAR protests?

yeah, that's a political movement. I don't think that it's fair to call us modern day hippies though. While there are some similar ideas, this is a way different group.

[Julierose]

there are political movements going on, this is true, but the majority of the scene is just there to have a good time. (not that there is anything wrong with that) I guess my point is our generation usually chooses to stay out of conflict. I think it may be because we dont think that we can make a difference. Its kinda sad really, not just that the 'ravers' dont stand up and make some noise but that the entire generation is apathetic towards public policy.

[badkitty3804]

ummm...a lot of hippies were just there for the good times too.

Since thier movement is in the past, it's a lot easier to 'glorify' it.

[Julierose]

that may be partially true but my point really is more that we as young people are generally apathetic toward what the government does. Most of us just sit back and complain with out actually trying to do anything about it. How many people you know actually even voted in the last election? I'm really trying to make a comment on the current incarnation of 'alternative' culture, not glorify the hippies of the 60's.

[badkitty3804]

I disagree.

I saw a lot of people at the ROAR protest. There are many people involved in the DP Alliance, and I'm glad that people whom don't follow politics DON'T vote - they can't make informed decisions.

I know just as many people that don't care about politics that aren't in our scene as I see people that aren't "involved" within.

[Julierose]

I'm with you on uninformed people not voting. I just think that people should take it upon themselves to get informed and make a decision. Thats my utopian world though and I realize that.

[badkitty3804]

I still don't see how this makes us like or different from hippies.

We could be associated to any 'social group' from the past with small similarites.

The disco age, Hippies, Flappers, I could go on and on.

We're different. It's easy as that.

[binger]

the war was such a big thang back then the crack house law? i know about it but theres not enough of us to make a stink about it. the war in irag that shit justed started give it alillte bit and then ill tell you more. with a new presdent in office who knows how its going to be. so from there ill state what i have to say. but right now its just like the gulf war but thats just me.


we are not hippies if you ask me were all spoided rich kids that are just a little upset but thats just me. even though i was never raised with the money. i jsut ed wanted to say that becasue i think its true in a way

[badkitty3804]

SOME are spoiled rich kids bing :wink:

Some are college students...
Some are working thier asses off to afford the next party...

[binger]

right true true. but being a partykid and a hippie are to different things we'll tallk about this over lunch ok

[badkitty3804]

:yes:

[Julierose]

Originally posted by binger
right true true. but being a partykid and a hippie are to different things

and that was the question to begin with...

[The Logic Theorist]

Maybe Ravers were the "hippies of the Nintendo generation" when that was the group that was going to clubs, like 5 years ago maybe more. Now Ravers are just people who have a Hot Topic in their suburbs instead of a hip hop clothing store or a skate shop.

It's a cliche.

There are plenty of people who are involved in the electronic dance music scene, either as performers or partakers (of the performance, don't get any idiotic thoughts), but I haven't met anyone in a long ass time that I would call a "Raver" I could ramble on about what that means to me, both positive and negative connotations, but that's probably a whole other thread.

[binger]

theres too many words for me too type so...........that and im lazy so its better for me to work teh strongest muscle in my boddy

[badkitty3804]

What is a raver? thread # 875347598347534759347534753758375375734759347957397583476594689576385947537 458734590834583476876589854754760548094809348583475347658476857464576045609 48506840

[The Logic Theorist]

Yeah well I musta missed all the ones before ;)

[binger]

there are no new raves read my lips half of you arn't even ravers. more than half of you haven't even been to a rave aaaaawwwwwwwwwwww im sorry im gettting coffie now ill stop don't mind me

[badkitty3804]

It's a question that will never be answered because the word "raver" has so many different context's to each person.

[Julierose]

nevermind... I think ya'll are reading way too far into this, analizing every word and such. It was just a question that everyone would rather bitch about than answer. I guess I am just an old-head who remembers when raver was not a disparaging term.

[binger]

i see your new to the buzzboard? this what we do we argue about it go off th subject and arouhnd 58 post on the thread we get back on target and it gets figured out SOMETIMES IT goes that way but not much but hey. i understand what your saying but i don't have the typing abilyt or the time to do so and say what i want to hell we might at the club and talk about it then

[badkitty3804]

It's simply a discussion.

I think that amost all past 'social groups' could be compared to ours (disco, hippies, etc.).

No one is over analyzing or getting bent out of shape. I can assure you that.

[Julierose]

well i cant help but be a little disappointed in the emphasis we put on using the term raver. I have been part of the scene since the early 90's. back then, we were ravers, case closed. We were in it for the party, we were in it for the vibe, we were in it for the people we met there and how we felt at the end of the night. I think that we dont get involved enough and that was the point of starting this thread. I would have done it in the Political Action forum but I thought that would defeat the purpose of the poll. I understand that threads get hijacked around here all the time, thats the nature of messageboards and is not unique to buzzboard. I just think you guys were taking it more to heart than I ment you to. I thought it would give way to a fun discussion about drum circles and flowers in your hair. I didnt mean for everyone to start getting upset as if I had dropped the n-bomb. Sorry if i offended anyone by calling them a raver.

[badkitty3804]

I don't see where anyone said that it was a negative term?

They simply said that they don't know any ravers. Most likely pulling off of the facts that the mainstream nature of it has pulled it away from the 'raver' and more towards the 'clubber'.

I myself have only been to like 20 'true raves', ie. illegal, in a hidden spot where you find out from a friend and have to do a near scavenger hunt to find the location.

[Julierose]

Well if you didnt know any true ravers before, now you do. Regardless of if I am going to a club like Nation or a party in some old barn in the middle of nowhere that is what I am. It seemed like people were getting bent out of shape over the use of the term. I guess I took it the wrong way :slap: sorry...

[iminxtc]

a raver. its agreed that the meaning of this term varies. but no offense was taken here. im very very new and i dont classify my self as anything. i enjoy the parties and the people but mostly the music. so what i am, im not sure. and as for the whole hippy thing i never really put too much thought into it. yes i agree that we could be identified within many past (sub)cultures.....i think in the end there will be no comparison.

[badkitty3804]

Originally posted by Julierose
Well if you didnt know any true ravers before, now you do. Regardless of if I am going to a club like Nation or a party in some old barn in the middle of nowhere that is what I am. It seemed like people were getting bent out of shape over the use of the term. I guess I took it the wrong way :slap: sorry...


Like I said before - It's just a word. One that has many meanings to many different people.



:smooch:

[iminxtc]

werd.

[Julierose]

I was just checkin out some birthdates of the people who have been posting on this thread... god i feel old..:crying2:

[iminxtc]

im a baby.

[badkitty3804]

Julierose, what's your bday?

[Julierose]

lol yeah i noticed:plur:

[SCHLiTZ]

I don't think that ravers are like hippies at all.... we really don't have any political sense, and the personal beliefs of ravers differ substantially...

[Julierose]

yay for schlits, way to vote!

[badkitty3804]

Originally posted by Schlitz
we really don't have any political sense

:no:

Generalization like whoa.

Just as many people that aren't in the scene have no political sense. In my opinion, I think that there is a VERY large portion that follow politics more so than the general population.

[SCHLiTZ]

i meant this by saying that there is not one unified goal of ravers in the political sense.... hippies were hippies because of their belief systems, not just by what kind of music they listened to or the clothes they wore. That part of being a hippie was secondary in nature.

[badkitty3804]

I don't define myself as being a 'clubber'. That's secondary in my nature.

This was not meant to be a political movement. It is a musical/nightscene movement. People need to remember that.

[SCHLiTZ]

exactly.... that's why i say that ravers are not like hippies... the foundation for each is far different.
ravers defined by music.
hippies defined by politics and ideologies.

[badkitty3804]

I think it could be compared more so to the 'disco generation'

[SCHLiTZ]

yes.... modern clubbing is just the next generation of disco. music oriented escape from general society.

[badkitty3804]

Yet different in so many ways.

Hence the reason that I think it's silly to compare apples and oranges.

[SCHLiTZ]

but people will just to make conversation....

[SCHLiTZ]

there needs to be another answer that says, "No. Don't compare apples to oranges."

[badkitty3804]

:yes: I concur.

[SCHLiTZ]

Did anyone notice, but a few years ago there was a surge of hippies becoming clubber/ravers??? I remember in 2000 a lot of new ravers being ex-hippies...

[badkitty3804]

A lot of goths turn raver too.

[SCHLiTZ]

I think maybe its a way to loose an affiliation (i.e. dirty hippie or stupid goth) but still be able to go out and escape from reality.

[Jim]

Whats a raver? Oh yeah, back in the early 90s, I remember them. Dont.... hold..... on.... to...... the ......past....

[badkitty3804]

We've already covered that silly :slap:

[SCHLiTZ]

I try not to the use the term "Raver" after its connotations with the media.... in the true sense of the word, a raver is anti-establishment in nature.... kids who party now, and even most that did then were not in this frame of mind and are not ravers....

Ban the term "RAVER"!

[badkitty3804]

Well, since this is a 'written media', there needs to be a term for the 'scene'. No matter what word you use to label it someone is going to have issues.

[Synthetikid]

hippies didnt start out with a cause either, they fell into it after stupid policy... hmmm... i think we are VERY similar.

[SCHLiTZ]

Party-kid is what I use more often than not.... clubber also sometimes works, but when I hear "clubber", I think of people that live at Glow or are on the commercial for the MTV special.... shirtless dudes and skimpy dressed chicks.

[SCHLiTZ]

Originally posted by Synthetikid
hippies didnt start out with a cause either, they fell into it after stupid policy... hmmm... i think we are VERY similar.

I think you have your history mixed up.... hippies are hippies b/c of their political and ideological views.... it just happened that the music and social culture followed.

[A.J.]

I thought hippies started out as kids who were rebelling against a conservative life style, to be different so to speak.

The cause came to them, they did not go to the cause :shrug: maybe:gotme:

[SCHLiTZ]

exactly.... then this spawned the what we call stereotypical hippies, with the clothes, music and free-lifestyle.... it was an anti-establishment movement. party goers though, i believe do not share this a motive to the culture... EDM culture is music first.

[A.J.]

Originally posted by Schlitz
EDM culture is music first.

Isn't that VH1's slogon? Music first

We should sue for rights :D

[SCHLiTZ]

Originally posted by A.J.


Isn't that VH1's slogon? Music first

We should sue for rights :D
:haha:
Dammit, it is. Fuck.

[DaMetroGnome]

Hippies smell like garlic, too, not just patchoulie.

[teknostate6]

hell no ravers or club kids or whatever are defintly not the new hippies. the hippie scene is still flourishing and having experinced both (the rave scene an the "hippie" scenen)the "hippie" scene is way more blown up than the rave or club scene. theres still a whole culture of kids who go on dead tour, phish, string cheese, widespread, ect ect. and the rainbow family (hippies who live in the woods and dont beleive in $ and have gatherings all over ) is still raging pretty hard. and most of the kids hardcore into the hippie scene dont have alota money alota kids live in the street on in the woods and are just straight struggling, at least true family kids (not the custies ie rich colleage kids ). i think there are more rich colleage type kids in the club scene. but having been apart of both i gotta say the hippie scene is nothing like the rave scene. unfortuantly ive sold out and grown to love parties more techno jus rocks so much harder than blue grass, i wish the kids where as chill though.

[Jungle_Love]

Yeah, I was a quasi-hippy B4 i started going to parties and stuff. I used to go to hippy festivals and listen to phish and rusted root. I learned over time that hippies and ravers are essentially the same thing, just different times.

[Jungle_Love]

Originally posted by teknostate6
i think there are more rich colleage type kids in the club scene. but having been apart of both i gotta say the hippie scene is nothing like the rave scene. unfortuantly ive sold out and grown to love parties more techno jus rocks so much harder than blue grass, i wish the kids where as chill though.

I completely agree. I did the same thing. But the vibe at a fesival is definently more chill than at a rave. Sorry. Ravers are all about the plur, but hippies actually LIVE that way and its such a great environment.

But Im still all about the Jungle Love.

[badkitty3804]

ravers != hippies

Just try comparing a junglist and a hippie. :afterbuzz: :no:

[Jim]

How about EDM community? Or do you actually need to affix a label to yourself?

[tinkerbelle]

Some thoughts on the subject...

Ravers are not the new hippies. Being a hippy was a lifestyle, being a raver *usually* isn't. Hippies were much more politically active. They were also a much larger and louder presence in society than ravers have ever been. Their message was so much bigger than the music. They fought against the Vietnam war, civil rights violations, and inequality. Ravers just want the right to listen to the music they love.

This isn't meant to take anything away from ravers. It would be cool if they could unite under a strong political movement. However, I don't think that's ever going to happen.

Also, in the late 60s/early 70s, there was really only one counter-culture. One big underground. Today, society is too fragmented for their to be enough ravers to actually make a difference.

[badkitty3804]

Originally posted by Jim
How about EDM community? Or do you actually need to affix a label to yourself?

:yap:

I'm not affixing a label to myself. It’s a quick word to describe ‘the edm community’. People need to chill out about being labeled. It’s just a frikkin’ word.

[Julierose]

Originally posted by Schlitz
I try not to the use the term "Raver" after its connotations with the media.... in the true sense of the word, a raver is anti-establishment in nature.... kids who party now, and even most that did then were not in this frame of mind and are not ravers....

Ban the term "RAVER"!

get over it already

[Julierose]

Originally posted by badkitty3804


:yap:

I'm not affixing a label to myself. It’s a quick word to describe ‘the edm community’. People need to chill out about being labeled. It’s just a frikkin’ word.

:werd:

[ravetildawn]

there is a bunch of stuff written on this topic. i do believe that ravers are direct decendents of hippies. lots of similarities, definately. although we don't stand, as a whole sub-culture, for/towards any particular political movement....
though we do stand for the same cultural beliefs...

[badkitty3804]

<-still disagrees :D

[Julierose]

Originally posted by ravetildawn
there is a bunch of stuff written on this topic. i do believe that ravers are direct decendents of hippies. lots of similarities, definately. although we don't stand, as a whole sub-culture, for/towards any particular political movement....
though we do stand for the same cultural beliefs...

:werd:

[Julierose]

Some food for thought...

In the 1950's there were the Beats. They brought society poetry and new outlooks on the world. In the 1960's there were the Hippies and they brought love and peace. 1970's there was disco, and it showed people how to move. In the 1980's there was hip-hop and hair bands who showed people how to party, and in the 1990's there were ravers who brought on a whole new type of music and a whole new spirit. The rave culture, in retrospect, is just like any other movement and should be viewed as a positive step forward for society; as known, the only thing constant is change. When one examines any cultural movement, it is always useful to examine the roots of that movement. It is the history of the movement that gives us some understanding as to why we are now. It is only when we first trace the roots that we can see the leaves clearly. Rave culture can be traced back as far as you want to trace it. It can be traced back to Native American religious ceremonies. (Stiens)

http://www.lumonics.net/stephanie.htm

[Julierose]

This guy has some interesting thoughts
http://charon.sfsu.edu/hippiesandravers.html


This guy can fuck off :fu:
http://www.i-mockery.com/antirave/faq.asp

[Julierose]

Originally posted by Jungle_Love
Yeah, I was a quasi-hippy B4 i started going to parties and stuff. I used to go to hippy festivals and listen to phish and rusted root. I learned over time that hippies and ravers are essentially the same thing, just different times.

:werd: rusted root is awesome... I like phish too though...

[teknostate6]

everyone is so confused as to what the hippie scene has become. yea everyone knows about the 60's and an the communial living and the protest and blah blah, but sumtime between the 70's and 80's all the old heads sold out for the most part and went to live regular lives leaving a whole new generation of kids to find themselves. in an increasingly harsh, violent, materlstic world, most of the kids following shows an living in the woods quite beleiving whole heartdly in the ideals of "peace and love" they started beleiving in "family" , part orgainzed crime and part social support structure. the actualy "hippie" movement has actualy becoming more on focusing towards the day to day survival (which in most cases involves the trafficiking and distrubtion of things i cant mention). the peace and the love are only shared amungst those kids who are really "family" and who are really down. sum kids have guns, on tour ive seen many fights , shady kids disapear, dozens of freinds hauled off to jail and i have no idea whats happened to em, kids od ect ect. the true hippie life style is alot harder to live than the spoiled club kid life style. alot of family kids i know actualy dont like the club scene at all. i think on showtime theres a show called "the street" that takes a more in depth look at the workings of "the hippie mafia" . it just bothers me people still think hippies are the people from the 60s an 70s. and even different than tour is the rainbow family. they have local gatherings year round (communial living in the woods with free voluntar donation run kitchens, free partying, and basicaly runs on trade and barter) ive also spent a few months living rainbow and on farms and its defintaly much different than the club scenen. u go to the bathroom in the woods, i caught staph and most of my freinds have lice, u cut wood, help run the kitchens ect ect, alota times u have to hitchhike to get around another thing im sure "ravers" never will or have to do. so i still have to say a big fat NO ravers and "hippies" (which is now family ) are nothing alike!

[badkitty3804]

separate paragraphs please :FUBAR:

I'm blind and that kills my eyes to read. :puppydog:

[Julierose]

Originally posted by badkitty3804
separate paragraphs please :FUBAR:

I'm blind and that kills my eyes to read. :puppydog:
:werd:

[teknostate6]

puncation and pargraphs are for suckas and communist , quite trying to oppress my freedom to ramble free from periods and commas and spaces whooooo

[teknostate6]

all and all 2 years straight in the scene was more than enough for me i miss it lots somtimes but im glad to be out at least glad that im not in crazy deep anymore. its really nice to have a warm cozy bed and food and be able to go to skool and do sumthing more with life. though i dont see the simliarties i still think parties are great , theirs nothing like getting down an finding your inner groove.

[Mokey]

A hippie stole my purse at the "All Good Festival" three years ago, Im still bitter.

[Julierose]

damn hippies...

[Someoneonthenet]

Whats a raver? :shrug:

[Julierose]

we've been through this already... open yer eyes and read...

[Someoneonthenet]

So then people that listen to EDM and go out to clubs/parties/"raves" are immediatley labeled as "ravers"?









:majorBS:

[Julierose]

I used the term raver because that is how we refered to 'party kids' when I entered the scene. Dont get caught up on semantics.

[Someoneonthenet]

:lame:

[Julierose]

deal with it...

[Jungleluv09]

we do fight a cause, ever heared of ROAR? What kind of ravers are you anyway?

[Julierose]

Originally posted by Jungleluv09
we do fight a cause, ever heared of ROAR? What kind of ravers are you anyway?
sheesh.. they're not ravers they're party kids... better watch or they will bite your head off...

[badkitty3804]

Originally posted by Jungleluv09
we do fight a cause, ever heared of ROAR? What kind of ravers are you anyway?

Our scene wasn't BASED on politics though.

Music.
Music.
Music.
Music.

[Someoneonthenet]

Originally posted by badkitty3804


Our scene wasn't BASED on politics though.

Music.
Music.
Music.
Music.


:wave: :booty: :thumbsup:

[Someoneonthenet]

Originally posted by Jungleluv09
we do fight a cause, ever heared of ROAR? What kind of ravers are you anyway?


"we"?

[Milkman John]

Originally posted by Jungleluv09
we do fight a cause, ever heared of ROAR? What kind of ravers are you anyway?


yeah, heard of 'em....ravers are far too politically diverse to get together and do shit....there should have been a SICK turnout for the roar protest, yet quite a few people didn't go.....and quite a few didn't go because of their beliefs.....which i'm not going to get into....anyways, i'm just here for the music, the fun times, and the boobies.....besides, ever notice how no raves were targeted, yet other mass gatherings were? this bill was designed to broaden the FBI and DEA's power over non-conformist events.....and raves were used to prove as an "example" as to why it needed to go through....much like terrorism is being used to pass all sorts of ridiculous shit....

-john, former member of roar.....

[Someoneonthenet]

I definatley think "ravers" took/take the whole R.A.V.E. Act thing a little to personally. Kinda incriminating if you ask me.

[badkitty3804]

Be a promoter. Risk having you whole lively hood taken away for a party. THEN see if you take the RAVE ACT personally.

[Jungleluv09]

Originally posted by badkitty3804


Our scene wasn't BASED on politics though.

Music.
Music.
Music.
Music.

:yourock: You really do, I love my music


Originally posted by Fingerprint



yeah, heard of 'em....ravers are far too politically diverse to get together and do shit....there should have been a SICK turnout for the roar protest, yet quite a few people didn't go.....and quite a few didn't go because of their beliefs.....which i'm not going to get into....anyways, i'm just here for the music, the fun times, and the boobies.....besides, ever notice how no raves were targeted, yet other mass gatherings were? this bill was designed to broaden the FBI and DEA's power over non-conformist events.....and raves were used to prove as an &quot;example&quot; as to why it needed to go through....much like terrorism is being used to pass all sorts of ridiculous shit....

-john, former member of roar.....

I was at the first protest! I stand by my beliefs. I stood by Dieselboy when he rocked out the first roar!

[Jungleluv09]

Originally posted by SomeOneOnTheNet



&quot;we&quot;?


I'm sorry, "us." (Not you in the LEAST!)

[Someoneonthenet]

LoL, ANAL.

[A.J. Inx]

...this is the dawning of the age of aquarius....

[ravetildawn]

ROAR was in protest of keeping our scene alive and our parties legal. ravers as a community do not stand for or protest any particular political beliefs, as hippies did. the rave scene, as badkitty said, is about music. our scene IS music.
we are like hippies, though, in that we WILL fight for our freedom to indulge in our music and culture. if those rights are infringed upon, then, yes, we protest...but not for much anything else (as a group, anyway).

[Julierose]

When the moon is in the seventh house and jupiter alines with mars then peace will guide the planet and love will rule the stars...

sorry, i had to do it...

[junkie79]

if pacman affected us as kids , we'll all be munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music in dark rooms .

yes I believe so , only that is a lot more complicated these days with all the laws that seem to appear every day .:fu:

[Julierose]

Originally posted by junkie79
if pacman affected us as kids , we'll all be munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music in dark rooms .


hahaha!!!

[jrob]

Originally posted by SomeOneOnTheNet
I definatley think &quot;ravers&quot; took/take the whole R.A.V.E. Act thing a little to personally. Kinda incriminating if you ask me.

I definitely think you need to read up a little bit, dude. I don't have the time right now to list the stuff you should realize/know in order to formulate an intelligent argument, but I can point you to DCNC (http://www.dcnc.org). The RAVE Act is no good, and if you have a doubt about that, then I am not sure what to say.

Your post is a pretty LARGE blanket statement, and an incorrect one, IMO.

[teknostate6]

all good is tight but asides for the bigger ones like vibes or boonaroo i prefer hookaville or smile fest though theres alot fedies at smile fest, jerry bday bash was the only event i made it to all year though. djloic is onea the only djs that regulary played the circuit i think he mighta opened for phil but i cant quite remember.

[cleophite]

Originally posted by jrob


I definitely think you need to read up a little bit, dude. I don't have the time right now to list the stuff you should realize/know in order to formulate an intelligent argument, but I can point you to DCNC (http://www.dcnc.org). The RAVE Act is no good, and if you have a doubt about that, then I am not sure what to say.

Your post is a pretty LARGE blanket statement, and an incorrect one, IMO. right on.

hon, you should probably read up on what this law entails, what its designed to do and how its been utilized. if you're a part of the EDM scene, it effects you and its worth "taking personally."

[jmutechnogirl21]

i really do think so. there are so many similarities, whether people want to admit it or not. free spirits unite!

[Julierose]

Originally posted by jmutechnogirl21
free spirits unite!

:werd:

[Jim]

Originally posted by badkitty3804


:yap:

I'm not affixing a label to myself. It’s a quick word to describe ‘the edm community’. People need to chill out about being labeled. It’s just a frikkin’ word.

Right, a word that has got us all in trouble over the years with the negative connotations associated with it. Call people what you want, Raver, Candy Kid, Idiot, etc.


Originally posted by Julierose


get over it already

Young padawa, you will learn in time.


Originally posted by Julierose


:werd:

Again grasshoppa, you will see the ways of the truth.

[Julierose]

Dude, freakin deal alright. I'm not the nieve little kid you think I am. I've probably been in the scene just about as long as you have and sorry, but when I started going to parties, we were all ravers. nobody bitched about it, it just was. Sorry I worded it the way I did. If you would have taken the time to actually read the thread you would realize that entirely too much time was spent on semantics. I didnt mean it that way. I was attemping to find out if anyone else saw the parallels between todays 'club' :redfu: culture and the culture of the 'flower children 30 years ago... THATS ALL... Why everyone finds it necessary to get hung up on one word is beyond me. You anal retentive bastards. READ BEFORE YOU TYPE.

God, I think i am beginning to find out where Anil gets all the hostility.

[DizzyB]

It depends on where the ravers are from. The scene is very diffrent in diffrent places, when I was in DC i'd say that ravers are more like hippies than most places because it was like a big family, it was about the love. In other places you have thug ravers that think they are gangsta rappers.......

[badkitty3804]

wow.

People, chill.

It's just a word. This is a message board. There is no way to get away with not labeling the scene with a word. Let it go already.

[Cherish]

<------works my ass off till next party

[ravetildawn]

i'm a raver :eddie:
i like to rave
rave rave rave
yo soy una ravador
raver raver raver raver raver raver raver
i am a raver who likes to rave
rave rave rave
rave on rave on
rave rave

:eddie:

[Julierose]

Originally posted by badkitty3804
wow.

People, chill.

It's just a word. This is a message board. There is no way to get away with not labeling the scene with a word. Let it go already.


Originally posted by ravetildawn
i'm a raver :eddie:
i like to rave
rave rave rave
yo soy una ravador
raver raver raver raver raver raver raver
i am a raver who likes to rave
rave rave rave
rave on rave on
rave rave

:eddie:

:werd:

[mike48ride]

They commented this on the Fox 5 Buzz investigation: listen to mojo jones' mix

[KTlovesbuzz]

i never thought of us like that before.....but i like it. and i think we are the same kinda revolutionaries that the hippies were. i can't wait to see what our kids think of us

[Cherish]

my kids think im cool :thumbsup:

[Detrimental]

Music without words, story without words...It comes from your experiences and your life. I dunno.

[RITMGuy]

Hippies, like stated before, had a cause that they were fighting for. our generation has no cause. We have no unjust war, we have noting to fight for. We just be ourselves and who we ant to be. I think that is what makes us different. We are united under music, they were united under a cause. But I think ravers have, overall, less political views more sociological views. But just my $.02.

[empath]

the difference is there is no draft. You can bet your ass that if people were getting drafted to fight W's bullshit war, you'd see a bunch of ravers become war protestors.

[method]

i think everyone has pondered this question before; there's definitely similarities on a variety of levels (enough so that this is a commonly discussed topic), but i think there is a key difference.

hippies were committed to causes that didn't center around their own good time. they had an agenda for reform that stemmed from their own lifestyle (i.e. civil rights, women's lib. et al.), but had far-reaching sociological implications. ravers only seem to protest to threats to their own good time.

if you take away that dogma of extracommunal reform, then you're left with comparable similarities between any two demographics; at least so far as i can see...

[Julierose]

Originally posted by RITMGuy
. We have no unjust war

:slap: :inergy: :beaker:

[feelgoodbabe]

When I went to Budapest Years ago I found out that everyone over there raves. There was no
hippie generation in hungary because of communism so when it ended in 89 everything changed my
friends told me. Parties started people from 60 to 12 were dancing under the stars together. Everyone was accepted like the hippie generation. No one cared

[iminxtc]

no....

[Amalthea]

hippies will always be hippies ... ravers are the new disco junkies

[kali]

ravers - hell no... goa/psy cats - definitely!!!

[xpierence]

a lot of us are the indigo generation some of us are a little to old but yes, our generation is the new generation of hippies. And with that said :spliff:

[badkitty3804]

hippies will always be hippies ... ravers are the new disco junkies
This I can get down with.

Fuck some hippie shit...

[Kif]

This I can get down with.

Fuck some hippie shit...
some people just don't get it...i guess i'm cool with that.

[badkitty3804]

:shrug:

:neener: Why keep trying to compare apples and oranges?

[apple]

of course
they both are "centered" on music but were really born of drug culture
they both dance like idiots
they all dress alike in their respective subcultures
they both smell

[Synthetikid]

this shit has been bouncing around the email lists for years, yes, ravers were, but there are no ravers round here. at least, no raves to attend.

[proximity]

this thread seriously makes me weep for humanity

[irishp1mp]

:cheerleader:
:cheerleader:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/ce25ef85dc.jpg

It just sorta felt fitting.

[JacobDaniel]

:cheerleader:
:cheerleader:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/ce25ef85dc.jpg

It just sorta felt fitting.

:werd:

I used to have a shirt that said that. No pics or anything, just the writing was in kind of like a computer text style. I wish I knew what happened to that shirt.....

[decoy]

junglists are metalheads of the nintendo generation.

[spiggums]

why the fuck would anyone want to be a raver OR a hippie?

[proximity]

why the fuck would anyone want to be a raver OR a hippie?

i thought being a raver was cool until i figured out you didn't have to be a raver to enjoy a certain kind of music :idea:

self-described ravers annoy me probably even MORE than hippies at this point because they are basically posers 95% of the time, people trying to be cool, fit in, or whatever. or just some tards with some UFOs that like pills. both hippies and ravers served their purpose, now people realize they have become shit so they can go away :raveon:

now if only the 80s would go away :grumble:

[PaulieWalnuts]

I vote 'no'

Hippies were generally anti-establishment and lived with an ethos of do-it-yourself... DIY clothing, DIY food preparation, DIY in general. Hippies could clothe and feed themselves without hitting up Safeway every week and Starbucks every other day. Ravers suck off the established tit as much as everyone else.

Hippies also chose to "drop out" of society and sometimes did this in totality (see the Manson girls). What was cool in the 60's is not the cool of today; anyone dropped out of society today doesn't use text messages and email and cell phones, and ravers universally use these tools.

Ravers buy synthetic fabrics (indeed, synthetic fabrics are a raver trademark) and buy bottled water, hardly fitting in the hippie's general code of minimal environmental impact.

No, ravers are just that, ravers of "the Nintendo generation," resembling hippies only in that they tend to carpool to their musical concerts.

Being a raver seems to me to mean following specific trends but being at least marginally inclusive of, and in, society. Being a hippie, to me, seems to mean living a completely full lifestyle, trends included, and if hippies 'drop out' of society altogether, well, that's completely okay with them.

[Legba]

ummm...a lot of hippies were just there for the good times too.

Since thier movement is in the past, it's a lot easier to 'glorify' it.

Old hippies like to pretend as if every single one of them were politically involved. The political consciousness of certain members of that generation was more due to the historical forces going on. In Europe, they were about ten gazillion times more radical and hippie culture never really took root. In 1968, everyone in Western Europe was listening to jazz.

Same thing with ravers. In Europe, a pretty sizeable chunk of the ravers are also anarchist squatters.

Which is very weird for me because here, all the anarchists I hang out with are sXe hardcore kids.

[Legba]

why the fuck would anyone want to be a raver OR a hippie?

Because they aren't bourgeois trash who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes, you proletariat-bashing scumbag.

[JacobDaniel]

:spliff:

[spiggums]

Because they aren't bourgeois trash who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes, you proletariat-bashing scumbag.
i love it when you whisper those sweet nothings into my ear ;)

[ChicoMDK]

I like to rave so hard i plur all over the place

[Neptune]

but do you think in 30 years there will still be people that look like ravers all burnt out cause they never could 'come down'?



























yes

[PaulieWalnuts]

If they burn out it's because they were too immature to know when to quit the drugs, just like burnt hippies.

[Ademaro]

I like all sorts of music

[EmmaK]

but do you think in 30 years there will still be people that look like ravers all burnt out cause they never could 'come down'?



yes
One can only hope.

They'll provide fodder for endless jokes for the next generation of kids.

[PaulieWalnuts]

Yup. Look at Eiffel 65: dead sober and they're a joke today.