IS ANYONE OUT THERE? THEY ARE TRYING TO SHUT DOWN OUR PARTIES!!

[Tybaltcap]

If this is already up in another section, Im sorry but damnit this makes me so upset! :falatic:

http://inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=322_0_2_0_C

[Nquire]

If they tried that shit to me.. I would make them restrain me

[proxxy]

"Let's go break open that glowstick and pour it in homestarrunners mountain dew"...."I heard they have to pump your stomach for that kind of thing" - SB =)

[Charran]

I guess that soon there will be a ban on candy bracelets, visors and UFO's too.

[Tybaltcap]

I thoght glowsticks were nontoxic...I had a friend sho chewed on one till it burst in his mouth...it was kinda odd cuz it was red...very freaky!

[Article One]

Originally posted by Tybaltcap
If this is already up in another section, Im sorry but damnit this makes me so upset! :falatic:

http://inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=322_0_2_0_C


shame on them for passing that awful law.

and shame on us for allowing it to slip under our radar.

[Muramasa]

Originally posted by Article One



shame on them for passing that awful law.

and shame on us for allowing it to slip under our radar.

If by "slip under our radar" you mean "Watched it walk slowly by and didn't get involved because everyone seemed to think someone else would take care of it(generally, not everyone)", then I completely agree.

:dammit:

[nyhope]

can a someone change the title to this thread... more people need to read this article

IS ANYONE OUT THERE? THEY ARE TRYING TO SHUT DOWN OUR PARTIES!!

"The incident was the first use of the controversial new law, which extends the federal “crackhouse law”—which makes it a felony to “knowingly” and “intentionally” allow property to be used for the purpose of drug dealing, manufacturing, or use—to cover temporary use of property, such as a rave in a rented warehouse. Originally introduced as the “Reducing Americans’ Vulnerability to Ecstasy Act” in 2002 by Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Delaware), it stalled that fall after Congress received more than 40,000 letters of opposition. However, it was enacted last April, when Biden tacked it on to the “Amber Alert” child-kidnapping bill, after excising its “RAVE Act” title and rhetoric about “loud, pounding dance music.” "

[Muramasa]

People can still throw house parties, and they should... more of them.:yes:

[LOGO]

Originally posted by tigerjunglist
People can still throw house parties, and they should... more of them.:yes:

:raveon: I agree. And I'm available! :D

[Article One]

Originally posted by tigerjunglist


If by "slip under our radar" you mean "Watched it walk slowly by and didn't get involved because everyone seemed to think someone else would take care of it(generally, not everyone)", then I completely agree.

:dammit:

that is essentially what i meant. and honestly, i may be included in that group man...i had no idea the law was passed until it was already a done deal. i thought we had defeated the whole fuckin thing, and one day i turn around and the fuckers just tacked it onto another bill.


Originally posted by nyhope
can a someone change the title to this thread... more people need to read this article


:thumbsup:

[zartan]

yeah but people throwing house parties are just as liable.

and if you think people aren't working to change this, you've been ignoring dcnc.org and the political action part of this board. dcnc and ROAR are fighting as hard as we can against this and are glad to keep you updated. Please, please, please, join us at www.dcnc.org and *read* our monthly newsletter to keep up to date on what is going on locally and nationally to attack our scene. we've got a lot of dedicated people working very hard on fighting and keeping you informed and IMO the dcnc is one of the best lobbying organizations of its type in the country right now (pats self - and barrett, and all the others - on the back)

Also come to the ROAR event on 9/6!

[LOGO]

:falatic:

Here's the thing: What about concerts? These gatherings are filled to the ceilings (literally) with drug users. Are the Feds targeting concerts as well? Doesn't seem that way. Why? Because concerts encourage record sales, merchandizing, vendors, which are all cogs that help keep the American Corporate Machine chugging along. Raves and house parties, devoid of corporate sponsorship, do not feed this Machine, and are thereby targeted for the clean & sweep action.

Think about it.

[Article One]

well, for as into this shit as i am, i have to admit that i am one of the guilty parties as to not staying as politically active as i should.

i intend to be alot more proactive and involved w/ dcnc once i get down there in october. kinda hard to do from up here.

[cleophite]

ugh ... and its even got those lovely loopholes: "makes it a felony to “knowingly” and “intentionally” allow property to be used for the purpose of drug dealing, manufacturing, or use."

what bullshit. i hate how easy this nonsense is for the authorities to get around, citing legal verbiage for actions that in implication go way beyond what they should. *sigh*

definitely going to ROAR this weekend.

[empath]

just fyi, the DEA admitted that this was a "mistake" and attributed it to an over-zealous agent who misunderstood the law.

[Article One]

Originally posted by LOGO
:falatic:

Here's the thing: What about concerts? These gatherings are filled to the ceilings (literally) with drug users. Are the Feds targeting concerts as well? Doesn't seem that way. Why? Because concerts encourage record sales, merchandizing, vendors, which are all cogs that help keep the American Corporate Machine chugging along. Raves and house parties, devoid of corporate sponsorship, do not feed this Machine, and are thereby targeted for the clean & sweep action.

Think about it.


we know this. but its not a good stance to start pointing fingers elsewhere. that doesnt solve anything and it makes us look like retards.

[Article One]

Originally posted by empath
just fyi, the DEA admitted that this was a "mistake" and attributed it to an over-zealous agent who misunderstood the law.


oh, thats perfect isnt it. i can see promoters standing in front of the judge now, "But your honor, even the DEA says this law was a mistake."

:rolleyes:

very convenient.

[LOGO]

Originally posted by Article One



we know this. but its not a good stance to start pointing fingers elsewhere. that doesnt solve anything and it makes us look like retards.


Not pointing fingers elsewhere...just making observations. But yeah...I hear ya.

[maynard]

Originally posted by LOGO
:falatic:

Here's the thing: What about concerts? These gatherings are filled to the ceilings (literally) with drug users. Are the Feds targeting concerts as well? Doesn't seem that way. Why? Because concerts encourage record sales, merchandizing, vendors, which are all cogs that help keep the American Corporate Machine chugging along. Raves and house parties, devoid of corporate sponsorship, do not feed this Machine, and are thereby targeted for the clean & sweep action.

Think about it.

:stupid:

[Article One]

oh, i hear YOU too...its one of the first things that came to mind. but you could never make an intelligent argument out of that, ya know?

[empath]

Originally posted by Article One



oh, thats perfect isnt it. i can see promoters standing in front of the judge now, "But your honor, even the DEA says this law was a mistake."

:rolleyes:

very convenient.

They didn't say the law was a mistake, just that applying it to this particular event was a mistake.

[LOGO]

Originally posted by maynard


:stupid:

:fu:

[Article One]

Originally posted by empath


They didn't say the law was a mistake, just that applying it to this particular event was a mistake.

either way, the point is, talk is cheap. you can say whatever you want, but the fact remains that they still DID it.

and i see a statement such as "this was a mistake" as a horrible attempt at placating people who might get upset. because what that statement implies is that "we're sorry and we wont let it happen again", except the MAJOR problem is, they NEVER DID SAY THAT, DID THEY?

my response to that comment by the DEA,

FUCK YOU.

[maynard]

I don't feel very comforted by that "apology."

Truth is, once you do something once, it's exponentially easier to do it again... and you know damn well that won't be the last "misinterpretation" of this law.

[LOGO]

Originally posted by Article One
oh, i hear YOU too...its one of the first things that came to mind. but you could never make an intelligent argument out of that, ya know?


Yup. It just really irritates me to be a part of something that is perpetually targeted for activity that has been going on (and tolerated) in other "scenes" for decades. But you're right...we need to find an intelligent angle.

[Bioteknik]

well we can only hope that people out there do know the limitations of the law and tell the unscrupulous agents to fuck off.

[zartan]

its not the actual enforcement that's a problem, its the chilling effect. you will never know how many events are never even planned because people are afraid of prosecution.

[maynard]

The problem with that is, even if the promoter doesn't have ANYTHING to do with drugs, they could still SAY he did and it's the government's word against a civilian's.

[tigermomma]

I think the majority of leaders will realize that this is similar to jailing parents when their children do bad things, or blaming certain music artists for spree killings, or video games for violence.

Everyone is looking for a scapegoat.

However, you do have to take into consideration the amount of young/ sometimes underage kids that come out to "raves" or EDM parties for the specific intention of getting fucked up.

The minority always sets the tone for the majority. While fighting for our rights, we should also be educating the kids that come in to our "scene". There needs to be some change working from the inside out and from the outside in. :shrug:

[zartan]

werd on the responsibility thing.

but i disagree about the majority of leaders. this is an easy political point to score - you're being 'tough on crime.' there is no sympathy for a hapless NORML organizer or rave promoter.

[empath]

I think we need to recognize that our parties really are dangerous to the status quo, and it has nothing to do with drugs and everything to do with the fact that we're operating outside of the established consumerist system.

Buzz and Glow, etc, are somewhat protected because they are ultimately for-profit institutions and thus support consumer society, but 'real' raves (as per our other discussion) are dangerous because they're spontaneous social organization that isn't organized or controlled by a corporation.

40,000 people at a baseball game-- fine.

3,000 people in a field-- dangerous.

The Rave Act is just one aspect of creeping Corporate fascism. The DMCA is another, the Patriot Act is another, the War on Terror is another.

They want you afraid, they want you docile, they want you controlled. They want you to sit there and take orders and buy all the meaningless bullshit news and media that they're spoon-feeding you and smile and ask for seconds. And it all depends on broadcast media tightly controlled by a few corporations.

Open-source software, peer-to-peer file sharing, raves (advertised by word of mouth), creating flash mobs, reading blogs, instant messaging, anything that allows people to communicate directly with each other on a massive scale , without having to pass through the corporate controlled broad cast media threatens the top-down control of culture, and ultimately threatens the entire power structure of the country.

As Al Gore said, this country is in the middle of a Civil Cold War, and like it or not, we're on the front lines.

And the only way to fight this is to get organized.

ROAR should be only the beginning. You need to get together with every group that's fighting the fight against corporate tyranny.

Join the ACLU, join Adbusters, Join the EFF, get involved in politics. You can protest all you want, but if you don't get active, if you don't VOTE then you're just making a lot of noise for no reason.

[tigermomma]

I didnt look at it from that angle, you're right. Its not so much tough on crime, but tough on drugs though. Thats the bigger "war" imo

However much I dont agree with the WAY they are going about stopping youth drug use and abuse, there has to be something that can be done. It IS rampant, and when I see 16 and 17 year olds out, faced, it makes me worry about the climate that my kids will be teenagers in.

I mean, we can fight this legislation til the cows come home, but if we dont, as a society, find a way to deal with drug use the government is going to continue to try to find a scapegoat....if its not our scene, it will be another.

However, "fixing" that is near impossible, so I guess our only option is to fight and hope that it will spread to another scene next....??????

*sigh*

[empath]

The entire war on drugs has never been about drugs.. its about control.

We've got 2 million people in prison. 1 in 3 black men in this country will spend some time in prison during their life time.

There are PROVEN methods for reducing the damage caused by drugs, for reducing criminality, for reducing the prison population that don't increase crime rates, but no one is willing to try them because it would require the authorities to give up their police state and engage with people as human beings.

Imagine spending all the money we spend on the drug war on education and child care instead. Imagine what kind of country we could have in 10 or 15 years when we have a generation of kids that have been cared for instead of abandoned.

[Muramasa]

Originally posted by empath

And the only way to fight this is to get organized.

ROAR should be only the beginning. You need to get together with every group that's fighting the fight against corporate tyranny.

Join the ACLU, join Adbusters, Join the EFF, get involved in politics. You can protest all you want, but if you don't get active, if you don't VOTE then you're just making a lot of noise for no reason.

VERY good pont... I think the problem for some is time. Some people live this lifestyle, fighting for other people by getting involved with ACLU and Adbusters AND EFF AND getting into politics AND going around promoting or whatnot for Roar AND... well, it's a long list. I know personally, I don't have the time and energy to do all of these things. I do some, I show my support, sometimes even donate money or a little free time... Maybe this isn't even aimed at people like myself.

:shrug:

That's my thought, anyway... if you don't support this scene, it matters. We don't have the luxuries of such a widespread popularity that it supports itself, we have to fight for it. For me, when you fight for something to make it work, that puts a lot of value in it, and will make it better down the road even if it doesn't work out. At least you can say you tried your best...:shrug:

[tigermomma]

:werd: I agree with most of your points, and at least recognize others. I vote, and come to demonstrations when I can, yet I cant help but feel an intense hopelessness at the whole situation.

And as much as I concur that these new laws are for control, I do also see a large part of it as a war on drugs...

My opinions greatly swayed once I had children, even though I myself was guilty of use/ abuse. To be honest, unless my children had an intense love of EDM (which they probably will, growing up in my household), I doubt I would knowingly let them go to a "rave" type event...BECAUSE I know what goes on there, especially for kids that are easily mislead into thinking that that aspect of going out is the norm or cool.

I would like to say before I get assaulted by your response that my opinions vacillate on this alot...between mother and "club kid"...and in no way does this mean that I am a proponent of Bush or his administration.

[empath]

If you don't have time, donate some money. Don't buy 2 records and instead give $20 to the ACLU. It does make a difference. Organizations like the ACLU may be fighting for us now, but ultimately, they have to fight for the groups that support them financially. If you don't reward them for speaking for us, they'll have to eventually speak for groups that will support them.

It's sad, but the only way to win the game is to play the game. And that either costs money or time.

[Muramasa]

:thumbsup:

Unfortunately, this week it's "Don't buy records and instead scrape by and be able to pay your rent, phone bill, etc...."

[Tybaltcap]

wow, Im so glad that my thead has generated so many awesome points and ideas, thanks for making the points you all have! My kid sister wants to come to raves now, and wants to try some of the things that I might be guilty of, and I dont really want her to, but then at the same time Im mad at myself for being a hypocrite... I like that term corprate fashism, the Jenifer Government I think is a book which points in a way to where we are going with this, and as much as I know some of you disliked Bowling for Colombine, Fear is huge in this "free" state. Control of money is to america the way contol of education and speach has been for many devoloping countries that are striving for freedoms. its odd though that every time prices go up, it is in a way a stab on the war for drugs becuas if you have less disposable income you have less ability to buy drugs...but at the same time it is a loss in the war on drugs because its more insentive to use drugs to make your money...sorry this is just brainstorming/stream of conciousness but its stuff I think about and am not very good at writing down

[Moebius]

I am posting this on the ACLU Forum, they might be able to do something. We should all join the ACLU forum. We could make a difference.

[koolaidluva]

DANCE WHILE U HAVE THE CHANCE!!! 1984????

[zartan]

believe me, the ACLU is very aware of this. you should join the ACLU e-mail action list if you are interested in this issue. i personally am a card-carrying member.

[Happy Child]

:raveon:

[rajdeep]

All that means is that Eric is the 1st to get locked up!! :D

[koolaidluva]

“It was a classic violation of the First Amendment,” says Harry Williams of the American Civil Liberties Union’s drug-law project. “The government targeted an event because it disagreed with the political views of its organizers.” - From the article

I roughly quote Mary Anarchy- yes drugs are in clubs/raves, yet drugs are in Prisons, which have maximum security and strip searches, the government cant even keep these things out of its own institutions....
and punishing a promoter for the actions of his/her patrons, when the promoter took actions @ the door to stop infiltration is just wrong, the person should be punished not the promoter. This discourages promoters from throwing parties, and in effect closes down a culture, which is exactly what the government wants.

[JStephenson]

Originally posted by LOGO
:falatic:

Here's the thing: What about concerts? These gatherings are filled to the ceilings (literally) with drug users. Are the Feds targeting concerts as well? Doesn't seem that way. Why? Because concerts encourage record sales, merchandizing, vendors, which are all cogs that help keep the American Corporate Machine chugging along. Raves and house parties, devoid of corporate sponsorship, do not feed this Machine, and are thereby targeted for the clean & sweep action.

Think about it.

Wow that is the first time I ever thought of it that way. Way to go with making me think, that is incredible insight! :thumbsup:

[koolaidluva]

WERD TO WHAT LOGO SAID ......so so true i also havent thought of it like this..THANKS KID!

RAVE AGAINST THE MACHINE!!!:raveon:

[latinoheat]

okay someone give me a number that i can call (senator)? to bitch and complain, im want TO CALL RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!

[latinoheat]

For those of you that live in the alexandria area here are some so called "important people" that we can contact to urge them to oppose the "rave act"

Sen. George Allen
Russell Senate Office Building, Room 204
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: (202) 224-4024
Fax: (202) 224-5432

Sen. John Warner
225 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510-4601
Phone: (202) 224-2023
Fax: (202) 224-6295

Rep. James P. Moran
2239 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515-4608
Phone: (202) 225-4376
Fax: (202) 225-0017
Gov. Mark Warner
Office of the Governor

Gov. Mark Warner
Office of the Governor
Richmond, VA 23219
Phone: (804) 786-2211
Fax: (804) 371-6351

Honorable Richard Saslaw
Senate
Room 613 General Assembly Building
Richmond VA 23218
Phone: (804) 698-7535
Fax: (804) 698-7651
Honorable Robert Hull
House of Delegates
Room 422 General Assembly Bldg
Richmond VA 23218
Phone: (804) 698-1038
Fax: (804) 786-6310

[Muramasa]

Very wise words in this thread...:yes::bowasian:

[jagdjade]

The passionate words by everyone is giving me goosebumps!

[PuRnOcEnSe]

Ya know all I can say is this- I saw a bunch of adorable lil kids on Saturday doing some mad crazy things with glowsticks, does that mean they get arrested for presumably using drugs?? Ugh, it's just sad.. and it makes me sick, the ignorance of people in our country.

[rajdeep]

A question: what comes to mind when you think of Goths?

[Tybaltcap]

black leather, pale, blood, pain, I know this is a sterotype but of the ones that I know and call friends, it holds true...wait what the hell does this have to do with the rave act stuff...are you hijacking my thread?!

[rajdeep]

Just stressing how a stereotype could easily distort reality for those ignorant of the scene or the people. It's about education, keep educating all those who miscontrue what EDM events are really about.

[Happy Child]

It's time for everyone to stand up to those idiots who make way to much money and don't know jack about what's really wrong with the world.

[dj intreeg]

We all just need to run for office. :p

[iminxtc]

or become lobbyist

[Tybaltcap]

or make sure there are no drugs....

[ImRaving]

Politicians don't really care about crazy ravers doing drugs and dancing to loud music all night long. They don't really care about the harmful effects of E and other drugs, either. They are concerned about re-election, and that's about all. They are blatantly losing the "war on drugs" (drug traffic has not decreased...despite the ads, the increase of DEA funding, etc), and the economy has fallen, so they're desperately searching for "good news" for the American public (which, as we all know, consists of middle-class white people from the midwest...or something), such as shutting down "raves," which has the appearance of cracking down on the drug traffic, and, in turn, cracking down on the un-taxable part of the economy. They're also jealous that we're having more fun than they are...
Since the Act has already passed, all we can do is write letters (yay), VOTE (for the reps. who don't hate people like us), and spread the word about American constitutional rights, since this act blatantly violates several principles upon which this nation was founded.:touchmymonkey:

[feelfree]

vote while u still CAN!!

[Exolite]

IF people are so worried, why weren't there more ravers at the ANTI-RAVE ACT PROTEST LAST WEEKEND, and why were there a few people there who were fucked up? how fucked up is that? This scene is about the music, dancing, and friendship/family and we have shitheads trying to ruin it all! We need to fight harder.

[brkbt junglegrl]

werd....

[Tybaltcap]

wow, people got messed up at ROAR! bad form!

[A.J. Inx]

I don't think people know how to fight anymore.

[keokikim02]

I'm still dancin'~~~ :D

they can't fuggin' stop me~~ :angryasian:

[A.J. Inx]

They'll never stop me. Ever.

[keokikim02]

Originally posted by Exolite
IF people are so worried, why weren't there more ravers at the ANTI-RAVE ACT PROTEST LAST WEEKEND, and why were there a few people there who were fucked up? how fucked up is that? This scene is about the music, dancing, and friendship/family and we have shitheads trying to ruin it all! We need to fight harder.



:werd: it was funny coz people were following me around... and watched me very closely.... haha... they thought i was dealing... and i would hear people call their friends... "hey there's a rave right next to the capitol building" which only sounds to me... yeah.. let's roll our faces off... *narf* damn those stoopid mofos ruining our scene... :angryasian:

[A.J. Inx]

The only people I see ruining our scene right now are politicians and white, middle class conservative america.

[Tybaltcap]

KeokiKIM!!! I havent seen you in sooo long!

[keokikim02]

yeah... and harder to see.. now coz i moved back in with my parents~~~ argh!!! but gotta get settled and get ready to go back to school in the spring...

yeah.. coz the last time i saw you was at roar... or splash... can't remember.. but it was one of those two.... :D

[keokikim02]

Originally posted by A.J. Inx
The only people I see ruining our scene right now are politicians and white, middle class conservative america.




we should give them some special tea... like in Ali G in da house~ dat movie fuggin' rocks~

[Tybaltcap]

splash- starscape?

[punkasschikadee]

"Glow sticks, too, are a gateway to hard drugs, according to a New Orleans court."

im not much into glowsticks really but
:plzdie:

[keokikim02]

Originally posted by punkasschikadee
"Glow sticks, too, are a gateway to hard drugs, according to a New Orleans court."

im not much into glowsticks really but
:plzdie:




i know furreal... seriously~~ :rl:

[GooglyMoose]

Ok, I guess this is my time to make a half assed comment about this.

I've never really been a raver, but I'm a huge fan of Dance Music in general. I have never done any hard drugs and I havnt done anything in over a year. To put me at risk of getting in trouble over merly being in a place where someone may do drugs is just idiotic. Whatever happened to holding people accountable for their own actions?

Besides the point, this all brings me back to shit childhood moment number 8, a trip to see the Richmond Braves with my dad when I was 13. It was free hat day and I was excited to get my first baseball cap. I was a child and I loved free stuff so perfect match all the way. I got up to the lady and she refused to give me a hat. Why? The hats were sponsered by Budweiser, with a giant slogan printed right on the back of the hat. I had to be 18 to get one. I was distraught. I sat down at the top of the stands and looked down. Every single one of the hats were on someones head and the Bud symbol stared at me across thousands of heads. It's still disturbing to see the lengths companies can go to advertising. And its sad that this culture is deemed aceptable while I cant listen to beats above 90 BPM.

I guess the only way I can dance in peace is to be a ballerina.

I'm a guy so I guess its a ballerine.

[Ravingirl116]

we're just gonna have to break into warehouses again and party that way, europe is doing it and they are having the best parties now, i want to give a shout out to my friend EVAN who is in germany right now during oktoberfest, lucky bastard.

[VINYL ORBIT]

Best Excuse Ever - Euröpè is dôing et!¿

[citylightdc]

All the real parties will survive...Little plurred out raver parties might die off...thank god...

[Sarawithanh]

Originally posted by Article One



shame on them for passing that awful law.

and shame on us for allowing it to slip under our radar.

we couldnt exactly do anything about it. correct me if i'm wrong but i do believe this version was passed in the Senate. The Senate differs from the House in that they are allowed to tack on random laws into bills they present even if the one law has nothing to do with the other. This is what Biden and others tried to do last year. But I guess after years of trying to do this, they finally succeeded. boohiss.

[chlorie3]

stay clean save our scene

[LiQUid iLLinja]

:ohmygod: nuf said ..... or not said....:redfu:

[EurotrashEve]

The only reason they are trying to shut down our parties is because, there is a lot of really inconsiderate kids out there that are using and distributing substances at our favorite venues and don't really care about the music there but of substance and profit..I believe in dancing hard and good music w/o the use of drugs and meeting really cool ppl who can actually hold a conversation. There is a time and a place to do those things for ppl who use (like house parties)..and it shouldn't be clubs. Club Owners are getting arrested b/c of these kids, so are innocent ppl. The reason bouncers/security at cubik target more kids w/ visors, UFO's and glowsticks is b/c some of those kids they remember from 2 years ago at buzz ( and they have pics of them) who caused problems..therefore they ruined it for most ravers out there that still dress in UFo's and visors..the ones who are there to dance. Come on ppl do you want the same thing that is happening in NY to happen to us in DC?.. I went to a club in NY, there was a dj and a dancefloor..music, all ppl at bar drinking..went to go dance and turns out a lot of danceclubs there you can't dance at now b/c they have this thing called a "cabaret license"and they are expensive to obtain..and you can't smoke cigs either.. the bouncer asked us to leave..just another way the govt. is breaking down on our favorite danceclub venues by adding more taxes/ expenses therefore, door charges go up. If you go out to a club get drunk whatever, dance your ass off..meet cool ppl/ watch them.enjoy the music...have fun..just don't ruin other ppl's fun time by dragging drugs into the mix and getting another venue shut down or giving the govt.just another reason to crack down and tag another bill to the anti-RAVE ACT/ Amber-alert act.

[qtwitabooty]

I'm sorry I missed ROAR
I just heard about it in the message board, tell me when the next event is being held, when, and what time. ~thanks qt

[jmutechnogirl21]

Originally posted by proxxy
"Let's go break open that glowstick and pour it in homestarrunners mountain dew"...."I heard they have to pump your stomach for that kind of thing" - SB =)

"THE CHEAT is GROUNDED! we had that lightswitch installed for you so that you could turn the lights ON and OFF, not so you can throw lightswitch raves!"

www.homestarrunner.com-sb emails-"techno":haha:

[bennyhana13]

I hate this nonsense - why does the govt have to get so invloved anyway!?

[Jim]

Originally posted by EurotrashEve
The only reason they are trying to shut down our parties is because, there is a lot of really inconsiderate kids out there that are using and distributing substances at our favorite venues and don't really care about the music there but of substance and profit..I believe in dancing hard and good music w/o the use of drugs and meeting really cool ppl who can actually hold a conversation. There is a time and a place to do those things for ppl who use (like house parties)..and it shouldn't be clubs. Club Owners are getting arrested b/c of these kids, so are innocent ppl. The reason bouncers/security at cubik target more kids w/ visors, UFO's and glowsticks is b/c some of those kids they remember from 2 years ago at buzz ( and they have pics of them) who caused problems..therefore they ruined it for most ravers out there that still dress in UFo's and visors..the ones who are there to dance. Come on ppl do you want the same thing that is happening in NY to happen to us in DC?.. I went to a club in NY, there was a dj and a dancefloor..music, all ppl at bar drinking..went to go dance and turns out a lot of danceclubs there you can't dance at now b/c they have this thing called a "cabaret license"and they are expensive to obtain..and you can't smoke cigs either.. the bouncer asked us to leave..just another way the govt. is breaking down on our favorite danceclub venues by adding more taxes/ expenses therefore, door charges go up. If you go out to a club get drunk whatever, dance your ass off..meet cool ppl/ watch them.enjoy the music...have fun..just don't ruin other ppl's fun time by dragging drugs into the mix and getting another venue shut down or giving the govt.just another reason to crack down and tag another bill to the anti-RAVE ACT/ Amber-alert act.

I could not agree more. I remeber Buzz in the Cap Ballroom days and there would be people just laid the fuck out on the silver bleachers where the patio is now. Tent parties, people laid out every where on the ground. I have said it many times before and there is always someone turning 18 or whatever age who wants to go party for the first time and then makes an ass of themselves in the venue. Kick those people out! No back rubs, no sitting in corners, etc. GO HOME if you need to PLURize yourself. If you wear the raver gear, expect to be targeted. We can bitch all we want but you have to adapt and overcome.

[Julierose]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Glowsticks are a gateway to hard drugs!!!

oh well, you better take the glowsticks away from all the trick-or-treaters next week or they could end up doing hard drugs!!!


LMFAO!!!!!

[KimmyMeow]

so those kids with the la gears do e

[KimmyMeow]

Originally posted by chlorie3
stay clean save our scene

i dont do drugs, i just like the music

[KimmyMeow]

Originally posted by Ravingirl116
we're just gonna have to break into warehouses again and party that way, europe is doing it and they are having the best parties now, i want to give a shout out to my friend EVAN who is in germany right now during oktoberfest, lucky bastard.

i was suppose to go to oktoberfest.. didn't happen tho:sadblue:

[Julierose]

Originally posted by GooglyMoose
Ok, I guess this is my time to make a half assed comment about this.

I've never really been a raver, but I'm a huge fan of Dance Music in general. I have never done any hard drugs and I havnt done anything in over a year. To put me at risk of getting in trouble over merly being in a place where someone may do drugs is just idiotic. Whatever happened to holding people accountable for their own actions?

Besides the point, this all brings me back to shit childhood moment number 8, a trip to see the Richmond Braves with my dad when I was 13. It was free hat day and I was excited to get my first baseball cap. I was a child and I loved free stuff so perfect match all the way. I got up to the lady and she refused to give me a hat. Why? The hats were sponsered by Budweiser, with a giant slogan printed right on the back of the hat. I had to be 18 to get one. I was distraught. I sat down at the top of the stands and looked down. Every single one of the hats were on someones head and the Bud symbol stared at me across thousands of heads. It's still disturbing to see the lengths companies can go to advertising. And its sad that this culture is deemed aceptable while I cant listen to beats above 90 BPM.

I guess the only way I can dance in peace is to be a ballerina.

I'm a guy so I guess its a ballerine.


OMG I think that that is the saddest thing I have heard all day.... Have you considered therapy regarding this incident or have you adjusted since then?

[Capital Zero]

hehehehe yes yes spread the anger!

[Julierose]

:evilred:

[Milkman John]

How about this

we send our speaker ho armies to capital hill, have them sleep with all of our leaders, then blackmail them into repealing it

sounds good to me, atleast the speaker monkeys will have a purpose in life

[KTlovesbuzz]

:rl: :redfu: :falatic: :catfight: :curse:

Not much pisses me off more than the government not understanding that our culture has changed. they're trying to ruin our lives and our weekends at buzz!!!

i've called my senator and written to them as well the last time they tried to pass the RAVE act. i'm going to do it again and i suggest that you all do the same!

[Fizzuct]

dress codes , can't do this can't do that, fuckn nazifacation

[particlefreak]

Originally posted by Tybaltcap
I thoght glowsticks were nontoxic...I had a friend sho chewed on one till it burst in his mouth...it was kinda odd cuz it was red...very freaky!

I got red glowstick juice in my eyes over the summer (don't ask) MAN did that sh*t burn! I thought I was gonna go blind!

[Tybaltcap]

longest lasting thread EVER!

[missa bear]

glow sticks are the devil... I swear, if they break, they leave a mark on your soul and Satan will have your ass when you die... at least, that is what I told some kid who smacked 'em and cracked 'em and got that shit all over me...

[ravetildawn]

once i left some glowsticks in my car and the sun melted them and they burned through part of my gears....

[anya]

those fuckers better not be doing that again...i just started going back to "Buzz" again....itll suck if they close that mofo again

[znrg3k]

lame shit ;P

[miss becca]

Originally posted by proxxy
"Let's go break open that glowstick and pour it in homestarrunners mountain dew"...."I heard they have to pump your stomach for that kind of thing" - SB =)

sweet jesus. anyone who quotes strongbad rocks TO ZEE MAX!

YAY RANDY!

[multivitamin]

Don't worry about it, guys. I blew up Senator Biden's dog.

[BestBoardHooker]

Originally posted by Tybaltcap
longest lasting thread EVER!

and aren't you just so proud of your lil self...

[candypink]

Originally posted by Fingerprint
How about this

we send our speaker ho armies to capital hill, have them sleep with all of our leaders, then blackmail them into repealing it

sounds good to me, atleast the speaker monkeys will have a purpose in life


:haha:

[RoboSka]

Every day I witness more and more shadow being cast on our private lives in the name of blind patriotism and homeland security. I can't help but have more and more faith in democracy and conservatives with each passing day.

[method]

it just goes to show...everyone should vote for DEAN!

i mean...VT & NH are the more permissive than CA!!!

[Tybaltcap]

I would rather have risks and freedom than live in a sealed off 'safe' locked box

[BestBoardHooker]

Originally posted by Tybaltcap
I would rather have risks and freedom than live in a sealed off 'safe' locked box

one piece of advice for ya then...don't move to Utah!

not like you ever would or that the thought would even cross your mind but I just figured I'd throw it out there anyway...I mean, useless as it is!

[OrderofTheDank]

Until our government realizes how inherently wrong it is to have prohibition on life choices we will remain an unevolved society. PS. John Ashcroft is the Devil

[Jet Pilot]

you know what the problem is right...
there are too many stupid wanna be ravers out there that got to the club/parties and just do drugs... the have no understanding of what do do and what to expect and they end up getting hurt or DEAD and then everyone gets grouped in with them as "stupid drugies"
personally the first time i did i was with 5 other people who were all looking after me and making sure everything was "coshur" <--not jewish...
and now i do it for other people to but those people just piss me off.. Royally...
My Ex is like that and it pisses me off to no extent when i see her there and i KNOW she doesn't even like th music... BITCH

Lata

[BestBoardHooker]

bitter much?!?! hehe!

but I totally agree with you sweety! (on all accounts!)

[Jet Pilot]

yea i am a little bitter cause i thought i could get someone there for the music but on E you really know ther person and that's when you find out weather they are their for the music or to screw your friend <cough, back stabbing bitch, cough>

[Blue_Kitten]

I'm glad someone is finally making a fuss about all of this, someone needs to stand up for us.

[BestBoardHooker]

Originally posted by Blue_Kitten
I'm glad someone is finally making a fuss about all of this, someone needs to stand up for us.

you'd think we could all get together and do something constructive with our time...but we're all too strung out from the night before! and we've successfully killed too many brain cells!

[Jet Pilot]

Speak for you self there MA... some of us have plenty left :thumbsup:

It's just shinny objects that give us the most trouble when we are trying to do something.

[BestBoardHooker]

Originally posted by Jet Pilot
Speak for you self there MA... some of us have plenty left :thumbsup:

It's just shinny objects that give us the most trouble when we are trying to do something.

no, just flashing strobe lights thank you very much my sweet!

[Jet Pilot]

actually it was only one strobe light... the miror you were looing at it through was crooked so you saw a bunch of them.

[CttnTailKty21]

Originally posted by Charran
I guess that soon there will be a ban on candy bracelets, visors and UFO's too.

Just my 2 cents but......I think taking pictures of people with green/blue eyes when they're not "straight" (if you catch my drift) should stop as it's quite obvious and makes everyone that says they go for the music look like hipocrits.

[Wickity]

God, can someone please kill this old ass thread!?!?
I'm so sick of seeing it's all caps title popping to the top of the list.

[movement]

Originally posted by Tybaltcap
I thoght glowsticks were nontoxic...I had a friend sho chewed on one till it burst in his mouth...it was kinda odd cuz it was red...very freaky! There is glass inside those that is how the chemicals mix and the glowstick glows break the glass and u get the glow so dont chew those anymore at least I wouldn't.

[movement]

Originally posted by Wickity
God, can someone please kill this old ass thread!?!?
I'm so sick of seeing it's all caps title popping to the top of the list.

[housecat]

Why do you people keep bumping this up? Die thread DIE!!!!

[LetsGoBud]

whoa.. the intensity and feeling sthat goes with the scene..

[Wickity]

OMG!!! Have you guys heard that the scene is dying?!?
I mean, they're gonna shut down all of our parties?!
This is so not fair... :crying:


:wickity:

[The Drifter]

Its a sticky

[tranKwilized]

Originally posted by housecat
Why do you people keep bumping this up? Die thread DIE!!!!

I was JUST about to post that you bitch!!! :shadyfu:

&nbsp;

I've managed to ignore it for a long time. But just 2 Fridays ago at my house after Buzz (hehe :afterbuzz:) I was telling a few people how sick I was of seeing this thread get bumped back up bi-weekly. Can't miss it with the big bold letters lol.

[Wickity]

But.. but...
if you don't see this message, the scene will die!!!!!!

:wickity:

[tranKwilized]

and so will the thread if we bump it over 150 tonight :D

LEZZ DUUU EEE'T!

[The Drifter]

Helping DUUU EEE`T

[Wickity]

No!!!! it must live forever! We totally need to make room for people to say this over and over.. It can't be stressed enough how the scene is dying.

[The Drifter]

Wait, the scene is dying? *goes back to read thread*

[tranKwilized]

http://www.danger-island.com/die.jpg http://solar-center.stanford.edu/magnetism/thread.jpg

[Wickity]

Seriously, don't joke..

:wickity:

[Wickity]

Originally posted by tranKwilized
http://www.danger-island.com/die.jpg http://solar-center.stanford.edu/magnetism/thread.jpg


Beautiful Matt, just awesome. :D

[tranKwilized]

Thank you, thank you.. Going to add that one to my arsenal :D

[Wickity]

:werd:

[tranKwilized]

I'm gonna chill for a minute and watch the trains go by..

[tranKwilized]

http://www.transportation.anl.gov/images/train.jpg

[Wickity]

You have trains where you work? I'd love to be around them.

[tranKwilized]

Hey look! It's a metro train!

http://www.commuterpage.com/graphics/train.jpg

[tranKwilized]

Two trains are better than one!

http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/images/stateline/Two-trains-meet-at-Stateline-Lauser.JPG

[tranKwilized]

Rap artist JZ has too trains :yes:

http://www.amybphotography.com/3%20Trains.jpg

[Wickity]

http://speakout.com/newspics/library/amtrak.jpg

[tranKwilized]

Oakenfold at a massive:

http://www.dupontalumni.org/images/trainwreck.jpg

[Wickity]

http://www.editpros.com/train.gif

[The Drifter]

:haha:

[Wickity]

Originally posted by tranKwilized
Oakenfold at a massive:

http://www.dupontalumni.org/images/trainwreck.jpg

bwahahaha

[The Drifter]

You slpit me.

[Wickity]

It's ok, you'll live... This thread must now die. :D

[tranKwilized]

150 Posts!

:byebye:

http://www.cccoe.k12.ca.us/abomb/images/cover_romeo.jpg

We had to do it -&nbsp;for&nbsp;a greater good. :patriot:

[housecat]

w00t

:klondike: