should i start buying techno-industrial?

[the sex molesters]

so after hearing all the djs at alchemy, who don't really mix at ALL, i decided that i could probably be pretty popular at goth/industrial clubs, since i can usually beat-match and my mixes are pretty decent..... i like techno-industrial as music, but it's not really my scene.... the people remind me too much of myself in an earlier, much more depressive time.... i think however that i could do so much by adding some techno-industrial and even straight industrial records to my electroclash/trance mixes.... the question is; should i spend the time and money involved in doing so? i can't decide, so i'm posting a poll.

[Shawn_E]

Ugh you wanna be popular??? :uhhok:

[Shawn_E]

Im only kiddin yet again, but for real, if that's not really your scene, then don't waste your time or money in it, it's just that simple.

[The Logic Theorist]

Beatmatching won't make you popular, I used to DJ for that scene so I know. You'll go through months and months of headache trying to explain to people why what you're doing is better, and just get branded an asshole. Then, if you don't play everyone's favorite Skinny Puppy or Nitzer Ebb track from 1986 every single week, you'll get branded an elitist.

[DNAgirl]

I thought you were suppose to DJ the music you love, not because you want to be popular. Just a thought.

[retail]

:werd:

[El Magnifico]

Where did you get money?

[Layla]

i go to alchemy cause i like that style of music a lot. i got over the not mixing thing a long time ago. and, i admit it, i like those skinny puppy and nitzer ebb songs too. it would go well in your sets probably, but don't try to break into the goth/industrial scene unless you like it. cause it's true, most of those kids don't necessarily care if their djs can mix...

[the sex molesters]

hmmmm.... i think i like Layla's idea.... fuck the goths. hehe j/k i have some good friends who are goth. but they are the ones who would appreciate a good dj. heard of a jaded goth? those are my friends. haha. we all sit around and joke about how if i djed at alchemy, i would be required to drop "another world" at least twice in my set. then my friend jamie proceeds to admit that he actually listened to that track the other night at home..... jeez. the goth scene is getting almost as bad as the rave scene during the trance explosion.... "you're dropping sandstorm again?" "yeah the crowd loves it." "but you've already played it 6 times!"

[the sex molesters]

Originally posted by El Magnifico
Where did you get money?

.... ask me no questions, i tell you no lies.

[Ejay]

spending money on industrial is financial suicide. why waste good money?:lame:

[the sex molesters]

hahaha, ok. well i like industrial so chances are i'm gonna buy some, but i doubt you'll see me spinning at the goth clubs!

[kidantonio]

Where I come from, we always post this in the bathrooms:
write a name for the penis.
"AF"...but when it gets big..."ANTONIO FUENSALIDA SERRANOF":nuke:

[the sex molesters]

what the hell--?

[djtetreault]

Originally posted by kidantonio
Where I come from, we always post this in the bathrooms:
write a name for the penis.
"AF"...but when it gets big..."ANTONIO FUENSALIDA SERRANOF":nuke:

:uhhok:

[the sex molesters]

yeah... no thread hijacking on my time, goddammit! now, back to techno-industrial. and mr. "i'm trying to post 10 times so i can get my discount" can possibly find something useful to post about.

[empath]

'going goth' will not make you popular. Goth's hate popular people anyway. And they hate unpopular people. And they hate each other. And they hate you.

[the sex molesters]

hahaha.... :haha: fucking goths.

[DJShaunCox]

yeah dude... the only way youre gonna be popular is if you look and act like Jason Miller
http://www.godhead.com/images/jason_miller.jpg
http://www.godhead.com/photos/publicity/2003_jason_02.jpg

do you really want to look anything like this 'mo?
hehe

"im so depressed... nobody likes me... waaaa"

[candypink]

back to music....i vote yes! i love a lot of the stuff they play at alchemy. the fact that i spend my time in the rubik room when there's d&b playing just proves that, for me, it is and always has been more about the people than about the music.

hey, if they can play ferry corsten's rock your body rock every week, no reason you cant play some industrial :D

[spiggums]

we all sit around and joke about how if i djed at alchemy, i would be required to drop "another world" at least twice in my set.
uhh, sorry bout that...

that's my fault.

I take full responsibility.

(and, no, I'm not joking)

but then... if you spin the right kind of music it can still work out...

I mean, shit... You'll catch me dropping anything from X Marks the Pedwalk to Nitzer Ebb to Front 242 to Covenant in my sets... but what Phill said is true... they don't appreciate good mixing. I was actually surprised last thursday, I heard a DJ who actually beatmatched. Had to give her props for it, but the people there for the most part had no idea why that was cool... especially since in the main room, you could hear fucking Tribby play tired old Der General, let there be a long bit of beatless space and then bring in Emerge... and speaking of which, the concept of new music is entirely lost on them. I mean, seriously, when we had a new band that we wanted to break back at Tracks we would play the shit 3 times in a night to force it down their throats...

seriously, DJ'ing for the g/i scene is a bad idea... the only reward you can hope for is to get laid by goth sluts who think that DJs who push play are somehow status symbols... and that's not really a reward.

[spiggums]

and I just noted that this is an OLD ASS THREAD that was resurrected...

doh

[PYVND]

I think if you want to DJ, you should go with the record collection you have put together (vinyl and/or CD) and try and find a place and a crowd that will react to what you have, and have loved.

I think the reason much of DJ culture kinda sucks these days, is that people go out and buy records to play at an event with a certain music policy. Instead of being patient and trying to find a place where they can share the music they love with others.

This is why I have respect for people like Spiggums (even though I have never heard him play). Because he seems to play what he himself loves and would listen to at home and stuff. Hopefully, we will become more open to various types of music (including non-beat matched) as things mature. We need pre-club bars really bad around these parts.

[Nquire]

No offense to this Andy so please dont take it the wrong way. Over the past year or so, I read your post about how much you love Djing and how you want to be popular and recognized. Dont spin anything for the wrong reason. Being a DJ isnt about being popular or famous. It would just seem to me that you would do this for the wrong reason and not for the love of the muzic. Those are just my thoughts. And again, please do not take it the wrong way. I have heard your mixes and you mix well:thumbsup:

[the sex molesters]

donnie, you are correct... i should not dj for the wrong reasons, e.g. wealth, fame, sex....

but it has been my lifelong goal to make a living playing music. unfortunately it is the sad state of the scene that in order to make a living, one must be at least fairly popular, unlike most other occupations.

[spiggums]

but it has been my lifelong goal to make a living playing music.two words for you: wedding DJ

otherwise, DJ'ing is better off as a hobby... if you happen to make good money off of it, great... but the odds of making a decent living off of it are really along the lines of the odds of breaking into professional sports.

And even there... you'll find that people end up making it not because they wanted to make money doing it, but because it consumed their life so much, it was all they could do.

[the sex molesters]

perhaps i should qualify that statement with "...playing music that i love"

[the sex molesters]

maybe it's an unrealistic goal. but it's not impossible, and if i can, i will.

[Liftedtrance]

maybe it's an unrealistic goal. but it's not impossible, and if i can, i will.

I'm totally with you on that goal.

ppl are so stuck on the whole "oh, you have to do it for the
love of the music" kick......

being a DJ is about playing music for other ppl.

you don't have to love the music.
if you can rock a room full of ppl playing out music you
don't even like, then props to you, IMHO.
you are providing entertainment for ppl.

sure you should do it for the love, and usually, when a DJ is
doing it for the love, then it's apparent, and their positive vibes
get transmitted to you, and you have a great time when they are playing.

but I think it's kind of a self centered idea that you have to love every
track you spin.........
it's more important that the ppl you are playing it for like it.
I think that's how "DJs" started out.
it seems to be "evolving" into something different tho.....

[ao125]

Heh... I've got spare copies of PTP - Rubber Glove Seduction and Nitzer Ebb - Lightening Man on vinyl that I can off load to ya...

[spiggums]

I'm totally with you on that goal.

ppl are so stuck on the whole "oh, you have to do it for the
love of the music" kick......

I don't think you have to necessarily do it for the love of music... However, those that don't and are more concerned with making money off of it will ultimately be weeded out... because the likelihood of that happening, and the time it will take to get there if it were to happen will frustrate those who aren't in it purely for the joy of it.

[not applicable]

i agree.


you dont HAVE to love it.

you dont HAVE to barely be able to walk by your decks without stopping for an hour to just mix records.

you dont HAVE to spend countless hours studying your mixes to find what works and what doesnt and get inspiration.


you dont HAVE to do any of these things.





you can play records cause you think it makes you cool. or cause it makes people like you or wanna hang out with you or get you in places or get you free drinks or chicks or dudes whatever the fuck youre into. you can do it cause you always got made fun of and you always wanted to be in control so youre gonna dj and all those assholes will have to listen to what you want to play. you can even do it because you want to be the next fucking tiesto.







but some shit is gonna happen. youre not gonna get that vibe. youre not gonna get lost in a mix. youre never gonna be out of your fucking mind when you hear that hook from that new track you just bagged up riding over the sick ass baseline from that raw tune youve had for awhile. your not gonna fucking bob your head uncontrollably when you play back a mix you just made and you made that cut and brought in the second tune with the first after that ill ass drumbreak adn just smile. these things are never gonna happen for you. i could go on for days about the rewards of djing purely for yourself and no one else. but that doesnt matter cause its just for me and you dont have to agree or ever experience those things for yourself. thats not what this post is about.



this post is about one thing:



if you dont do it for the love, you will NEVER be a great dj. NEVER.

and to add to this. great does not mean how many cds you sell or how many magazines you make the cover of or how many gigs you get. everyone knows its not what you know its who you know and everyone can confess that they know that theyve gone to see at least one big name dj live and theyve sucked. funny thing is people buy these commercial mix cds from bigname djs and think that its just them spinning. people dont realize that shit is made in a studio. THATS why its perfect. THATS why its so incredible.

okay im done.

carry on.

[ao125]

I do it for the chicks...

[FunkTribe]

If it sounds cool .. play it ..

if not … http://home.comcast.net/~joey.muniz/shoot.jpg


next thread ...

[RAMIRO]

joey .. you're a dork!!

[FunkTribe]

joey .. your a dork!!

:yes:

[ao125]

I've got an assload of industrial if you are in the market:

Some are out of print... Some are just plain crap... All are being sold in one big lot.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4025562626

cds, not records....

[badkitty3804]

What would an industrial dj need records for?

[the sex molesters]

well you see emily... that's the whole point. they just haven't got a clue how much better their sets would sound if they actually mixed them. yea, i could mix with cds... but i don't really like cds. but the whole point is to improve the goth/industrial scene... if for no other reason than to entertain myself better at the clubs.

[spiggums]

no... it's not that they don't know how much better... it's that they don't care... and, further more, many will start bitching cause you didn't "let them hear the whole song"...

it's a lost cause.

[antimusic]

well you see emily... that's the whole point. they just haven't got a clue how much better their sets would sound if they actually mixed them. yea, i could mix with cds... but i don't really like cds. but the whole point is to improve the goth/industrial scene... if for no other reason than to entertain myself better at the clubs.

hehe. i wish you luck.

[ao125]

improving the goth/industrial scene would ivolve shoving it into a time machine and sending it back to 1985 where it came from.

[the sex molesters]

hah. i disagree.... i've got quite a few goth/"graver" friends.... (hey, i do work at denny's...), and they all have a fairly good appreciation for electronic music, in general. yea, they prefer the darker stuff.... but whenever any of them hear me spin records, they are usually impressed at how good of a dj i am. i do have a fair enough sense of when to mix out of a record..... if it's a vocal track, and there are particularly good vocals near the end, i'll let it play till the vocals are done.... but if i'm playing a track and i see the dancefloor clear, i'm gonna mix outta that bitch! that is why i think i'd do a much better job than the djs at alchemy do.... in fact i'd go so far as to say i'd probably never get booked there because i'd "threaten" their status.

on a side note, my goth-y friends seem to be liking my new music a whole lot..... i wonder what the ravers and the club kids think.....

[spiggums]

hah. i disagree.... i've got quite a few goth/"graver" friends.... (hey, i do work at denny's...), and they all have a fairly good appreciation for electronic music, in general. yea, they prefer the darker stuff.... but whenever any of them hear me spin records, they are usually impressed at how good of a dj i am. i do have a fair enough sense of when to mix out of a record..... if it's a vocal track, and there are particularly good vocals near the end, i'll let it play till the vocals are done.... but if i'm playing a track and i see the dancefloor clear, i'm gonna mix outta that bitch! that is why i think i'd do a much better job than the djs at alchemy do.... in fact i'd go so far as to say i'd probably never get booked there because i'd "threaten" their status.
.
you're forgetting though... your sample group is MUCH smaller than mine and Rob's...
there will always be a handful of people who appreciate it... but I stress "handful"...

as long as people like Caroline can count fans among their ranks... none of the Alchemy DJs are going to feel threatened (even if she recently stopped spinning there)

but hey, what do I know... right? I mean, I only spun for the g/i scene for like 7 years... and was a "major player" in the DC scene (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean) for at least 4 of those 7...

on a side note... Tribby made an interesting booking decision for later this month... so I'll be interested to see how the goth kids react to this one... (actually, I'll be interested to see how the actual set turns out...)

[the sex molesters]

once i get my new album completed, do you think you could pass it on to somebody up there for me, ed? (it's getting real close to that time.... i've been working on this shit for like a year now...)

[spiggums]

one of the Alchemy crew?

they all hate me... but I can try to help ;)

[the sex molesters]

why do they hate you?

[spiggums]

a variety of reasons:



because I tell it like it is... i.e. I call them out on the fact that they play primarily old tired out shit that's been played most every week for the last ten years (I mean, really, do people NEED to hear Der General for the hundred thousandth time? Although on that note, "Solaries" leaving definitely was a plus)
because they can't understand my sense of humor...
because I'm constantly wishing (and stating aloud) that the crowd would actually allow itself to be challenged by a DJ
because the last time I played for a goth night I refused to keep a playlist
because I once fucked their girlfriend
although I'm sure some hate me more because they're forced to play synthpop now :neener:

[the sex molesters]

hahaha that's great. and you're probably the best thing that happened to them, too.

[the sex molesters]

....come to think about it.... my new album will be mostly breakbeats, making me eligible for alias.... maybe i should shoot for that instead... hmm.

[Mike Vicious]

ive never heard of those tracks....lol

[the sex molesters]

heard of what tracks?

[djmasamune]

personally I play VNV Nation and Assemblage 23 in my sets all the time. Industrial, meh, but I really dig ebm. It's basicly trance with dark vocals. Apoptygma Berzerk IS TRANCE.

[the sex molesters]

apop is ebm, yo. straight up.

[the sex molesters]

ebm is sometimes referred to as techno-industrial. the term can also cover stuff like darkwave, dark trance, rythmic noise, etc.... pure industrial is way more rock-influenced.

[spiggums]

apop is ebm, yo. straight up.
older apop is... newer stuff varies a bit... but a lot of it is definitely in the "futurepop" realm... and, well, futurepop is nothing more than a term given to trance that industrial kids like so that they don't feel like they're listening to "techno"

[ao125]

NONSTOP

[ao125]

VIOLENCE

[djmasamune]

ebm is sometimes referred to as techno-industrial. the term can also cover stuff like darkwave, dark trance, rythmic noise, etc.... pure industrial is way more rock-influenced.

I've never heard the term 'techno-industrial'. I was an intern for metropolis, and I never heard the term. I've heard futurepop, ebm, industrial, darkwave, and power noise. Thats about it. nd, well, futurepop is nothing more than a term given to trance that industrial kids like so that they don't feel like they're listening to "techno"

LOL! It's so true!! It sounds JUST LIKE TRANCE ... but it's not trance.

btw, wtf is this----> :sok:

[iminxtc]

hey andy, just spin house music ok

[iminxtc]

I've never heard the term 'techno-industrial'. I was an intern for metropolis, and I never heard the term. I've heard futurepop, ebm, industrial, darkwave, and power noise. Thats about it.

LOL! It's so true!! It sounds JUST LIKE TRANCE ... but it's not trance.

btw, wtf is this----> :sok:

it means... it ok.

[spiggums]

I've never heard the term 'techno-industrial'. I was an intern for metropolis, and I never heard the term. I've heard futurepop, ebm, industrial, darkwave, and power noise. Thats about it.

LOL! It's so true!! It sounds JUST LIKE TRANCE ... but it's not trance.

btw, wtf is this----> :sok:
the bottom line is that the industrial crowd is afraid...

afraid of new music
afraid of trance
afraid of swords (but not <strike>Ronan Harris</strike>Simronan... he's not afraid... and not unhappy either)

on a tangential note: I looked at your website and am kind of amused that you refer to br0d et al in your "influences" (mind you, I've got a lot of respect for him... I mean, if nothing else, he's one funny muthafucka)

[ao125]

Who hasn't been influenced by b001e!?