Producing!!!

[n-root]

Are you interested in producing EDM?

[Kuro]

yes.

[n-root]

Have you taken any classes for it? Or would you?

[shyann266]

yes

[Unfeign]

producting is really the natural progressing after DJing. as Danny Tenaglia put it when asked what advice he would give to up and comers "get into producing as soon as possible." look at Satoshi Tomeii, guy was barely anything until he started putting out quality tracks on his own lable, now he's top notch.

the only problem? $. equipment costs, and it takes time to learn. with fruity loops and reason and those programs, laptop producing is much more feasible these days, but it is the commitment factor.

but i think the more producers, the better quality sounds that will come out of this genre. the bar gets raised every time and it really makes people put out the best they can.

[evey]

Originally posted by n-root
Are you interested in producing EDM?

Carlo and I will be producing a track soon, Roman.

[Tails]

It's hard, but yeah, I'm producing a little bit. I agree that it seems like the natural progression after DJing... and let's face it, it's another way to get tunes that are uniquely "yours" -- not only because they're distinctly your sound, but because no one else has them..

[Tails]

Oh, and I'd consider taking classes for producing if the classes were focused on composition rather than learning particular software... manuals are pretty good, but I still have trouble laying down good drum patterns, for instance. Haven't found any good resource for that except for the advice most producers get: "experiment!"

[n-root]

Originally posted by evey
Carlo and I will be producing a track soon, Roman.

I can't wait man. I bet it's gonna rip.

[n-root]

Originally posted by Tails
Oh, and I'd consider taking classes for producing if the classes were focused on composition rather than learning particular software... manuals are pretty good, but I still have trouble laying down good drum patterns, for instance. Haven't found any good resource for that except for the advice most producers get: "experiment!"

When I think of a class so to speak I am not meaning for particular products as much as fundamental concepts. Whether your sequencer is reason, cubase, or Performer the fundamentals of using a GUI tracker for instance is going to be the same. The same (basically) will hold true for synthesizers they all consist of a few basic parts (osc, EG's, LFO's, etc) that when used correctly in unison give us the "patches" that we've grown to love. so understanding these fundamentals one could theoretically use almost any synthesiser. Then theres sampling, roll programing, and the list goes on. In other words I think we all have a shitload we can talk about while not focusing on a particualr product for any other reason than example. No pun intended!

"Experimentation" ok experimentation is good. When it's guided, and the expirementer has an idea of whats going on. If you let a n00b into a chem lab and they leave the top off the ether and blow the place up there is no more "expirementing". The reason I say thin is because I've seen countless newbies attempt to use a Moog and fail. They're testy pieces of equip. and the kid got discouraged etc etc. Nobody likes that feeling. ..
Would you guys be interested in a MIDI FAQ? Maybe little mini-faq's on sample editing and things of the like. I'm really just attempting a massing of the heads here. DC has the potential to blow the f*&^% up musicwise!!! I'd personally like to be right up front when it happens :D

[Tails]

Originally posted by n-root
"Experimentation" ok experimentation is good. When it's guided, and the expirementer has an idea of whats going on. If you let a n00b into a chem lab and they leave the top off the ether and blow the place up there is no more "expirementing". The reason I say thin is because I've seen countless newbies attempt to use a Moog and fail. They're testy pieces of equip. and the kid got discouraged etc etc. Nobody likes that feeling. ..
Would you guys be interested in a MIDI FAQ? Maybe little mini-faq's on sample editing and things of the like. I'm really just attempting a massing of the heads here. DC has the potential to blow the f*&^% up musicwise!!! I'd personally like to be right up front when it happens :D

Def. agree with this -- any kind of a guide is good as a starting point. There are a number of good places to learn about synth patch programming (the manual is a good place to start, and the Access Virus Analogue Synth Programming Guide is good -- can be downloaded for free in PDF from their site), but nobody talks about drums. :shrugs: Learning general principles means you can apply 'em in any situation... :thumbsup:

A production site sounds like a good idea. I've been thinkin' about writing up something on the basics of spinning (with input from other people on the forums, if possible)... it'd be hot to see something like that for production, too, since it might be even harder to come to grips with than spinning.

:smurf:

--t2

[n-root]

Drums.. ok .... heres my take on drums.... In my opinion programming drums can be one of the most fun and most frustrating things. I personally like to program drums in a few ways depending on what I am looking for. I prefer to start with a K2500 sampler with the orchestral patch expansion. I think quality drum samples rock. Then to actually begin programming them I step sequence in all the beats that I want to use as the tempo locks (ie there maybe various _slight_ variations in quantization however the snare WILL hit on 2). Mind you every channel in the sequencer is dedicated snare kick etc for versatility later in the mixdown (there is no pattern on redrum 1" the way I like to do things however there may be 5 redrums :) anyway then I begin to sequence in overdub mode actually playing the beats on the controler into the sequenser (using the clicktrack as a guide) now I do this because it adds human timing into things, which human ears actually enjoy! then I take that measure (I do this one measure at a time working my wqay into bars, working with bars helps you phrase naturally within the track.) and quantize things _slightly_ getting things right where I need them. I wanna keep this short so Im just gonna say "Lather, Rinse Repeat"

[Tails]

Word... I used to always sequence my drums in by hand, and as soon as I started playing them on the keyboard -- especially congas/bongos -- things got a lot more real and funky. I think triplets are understated too, and make great fills, either with a kick, tom, or hand percussion... something throaty with a mid-range attack. =.) trip-a-let-THOOM.

I think hats are my biggest problem... I either go overboard or they sound thin and like the stereotypical 4/4 house beat (UNFsshUNFsshUNFsshUNFssh...). Usually when I'm listening to tunes I like I can pick out all the instruments/melodies/etc., but can't hear the individual drum patterns. Gotta train my ear, I guess.

Ever find that you have a kickin' drum pattern and nothing actually fits with it? That's real frustrating... all my productions are overblown anyway so I guess that's a lesson to me.

[n-root]

triplets arent underestimated... were just openly discussing a subject usually guarded by studio walls and engineers with tricks they don't want to share.... anyway triplets are ESSENTIAL to roll programming!

[Tails]

*laughs* Oh, true... I mean "understated" as they're not mentioned very often, but I think they're essential. =.)

[n-root]

If you have reason 2.0 you can check out this progressive roll I just threw together. notice that there is another track that comes into play when we hit our 32'nd notes also make note of the velocity changes (VERY important especially when working with tripplets and especially handy when your playing the drummer for some stupid band {you did expect this to be steady employment right :})

Pm me for example...


*edited to remove static link*

[n-root]

hahaha this software is gonna be the death of me!!!!! ::delirious:

[Tails]

Arr, I'm still on Reason 1.01, but hopefully someone can find this useful. =.) Thanks!

Are there any places with examples of drum loops with notation? I've seen some for standard drumming styles, but few for electronica, even fewer for specific genres -- be it progressive, breaks, DnB, etc.

--t2

[n-root]

damn man that sucks.... so i take it it wouldnt open? thats good to know for future ref. at least

[empath]

I changed the forum title. Does this make people happy? :)

[n-root]

Originally posted by empath
I changed the forum title. Does this make people happy? :)

Cool!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

it's :dabomb: :slap: even!!!

[rajdeep]

Originally posted by empath
I changed the forum title. Does this make people happy? :)
Very slick monkey boy!! :touchmymonkey: :D

[Tails]

Awright Empath! We're already on a roll. :thumbsup:

[n-root]

Originally posted by n-root
damn man that sucks.... so i take it it wouldnt open? thats good to know for future ref. at least

I should rephrase.... Did you attempt to load it at all?? It has no new machines in it so I was kinda currious if the file format was goig to be backwards compatible....

[Tails]

The file format isn't backwards compatible, unfortunately. Everything has changed -- this is partially because people learned to crack the "protection" on published Reason songs, so they changed the way they were encoded. (Naturally, the new format has been cracked, too, so RPS files aren't really safe from being ripped off.)

I get an Unsupported Format error when I try to open it.

--t2

[n-root]

thx

[n-root]

wonder who answered "no" in the poll :shrug:

[matchnbpm]

I have reason 2.0.1 but mainly use Ableton Live.. would love to do a colaberation with someone.. or just do a live jam session...

[n-root]

I miss Digital Performer's "Performance Mode." It's sooo cool you really need 2 17" monitors to make the best of it but it was amazing. As far as reason goes I need to work on some preliminary MATRIX loops before I can really "jam" for more than a few minutes without things getting monotonous.

[madeofwires]

i want to make music

[n-root]

Originally posted by madeofwires
i want to make music
doooo eeeet!!!!!



Why do I have a feeling your beats would have an industrial edge ??? hmm

[Nquire]

I have been wanting to for awhile now. I think i could learn on my own in time. But i think classes would be pretty cool!!

[snotbubbl1]

producing all the way

[rajdeep]

Actually I'm one of the 2 who answered with a "No". I suppose I should qualify that - since I'm a newbie and very new to music theory altogether (actually analyzing the structure etc. as opposed to just enjoying the sounds) I feel I'd be very premature in wanting to produce any sort of EDM. I haven't ruled it out though. This is how I feel right now. I have a long way to go while I explore all sorts of sounds out there before I realise how I want to express myself creatively.

Sometime back I stated that being a DJ makes me act as a salesman - playing different tunes from varied producers so as to expose them to the mainstream public. I'm focussing on this apsect and one never knows where this might eventually take me... :D

[retail]

i would love to get into producing... my last semester @ school i took a course called "electronic & computer music" (which was incredible) and got to hear an amazing array of electronic music. what was fascinating is that this was in no way related to EDM, but it was easy to pick out how these sounds evolved into EDM. the final project was to create our own piece, but unfortunately it wsan't allowed to be "dance." I used sound edit and created a piece that sounds like something you would find on l&b's "nightworks" or sasha's "airdrawndagger"... i've been creating pieces like that since and am looking forward to getting some real software to get this addiction rolling even further :D

[n-root]

Originally posted by rajdeep
Actually I'm one of the 2 who answered with a "No". I suppose I should qualify that - since I'm a newbie and very new to music theory altogether (actually analyzing the structure etc. as opposed to just enjoying the sounds) I feel I'd be very premature in wanting to produce any sort of EDM. I haven't ruled it out though. This is how I feel right now. I have a long way to go while I explore all sorts of sounds out there before I realise how I want to express myself creatively.

Sometime back I stated that being a DJ makes me act as a salesman - playing different tunes from varied producers so as to expose them to the mainstream public. I'm focussing on this apsect and one never knows where this might eventually take me... :D

:thumbsup: thx for putting your point of view out there. I def. see what you saying.

[madeofwires]

doooo eeeet!!!!!



Why do I have a feeling your beats would have an industrial edge ??? hmm

i don't know how to :sadblue:

they just might lol

[breaks princess]

I am very interested in learning how to produce. I downloaded Acid Pro, and haven't a clue where to even start.

I'm glad this forum was created though. SCHOOL ME!

[Mitaic]

I have used loop-based software like Acid before. It's obviously way too limited. Has anyone ever used Buzz machines (http://www.buzzmachines.com/)? Care to share insights?

And to respond to the poll, I remember Guyver was saying that he found DJ'ing too hard so he ventured into producing right from the beginning?

[n-root]

That software looks pretty cool

[hue-e]

Originally posted by madeofwires
i don't know how to :sadblue:

they just might lol

the only way to learn is by trial and error. I wrote 50 or so tracks before I ever even let someone listen to the first track that I would consider finished, and hell, that track's not all the way done yet, but it will be my first release.

and who gives a shit if someone laughs out loud. do you think your favorite producers busted out quality work the first time around? I dought it.

be creative, have fun, and most of all...:raveon: rok!

[madeofwires]

thanks for the encouragement. i am sure i will ty it out one of these days

[Advocatus]

I am very interested in producing some DnB tunes. Reason 2 is looking awfully good. Producing is where its at!

[n-root]

Originally posted by Advocatus
I am very interested in producing some DnB tunes. Reason 2 is looking awfully good. Producing is where its at!

reason is great for getting the track punched out in demo form but I think it needs to be said that its not something you want to use _exclusively_ in a full fledged production. The sequencer is lacking at best however it gets the job done.

[hue-e]

Originally posted by n-root
reason is great for getting the track punched out in demo form but I think it needs to be said that its not something you want to use _exclusively_ in a full fledged production. The sequencer is lacking at best however it gets the job done.

if you haven't checked out the 2.5 beta, leaps and bound man, nuff said. You still need other programs to master yo shit, but they have taken that program to new hights!

[n-root]

Originally posted by evile
if you haven't checked out the 2.5 beta, leaps and bound man, nuff said. You still need other programs to master yo shit, but they have taken that program to new hights!

unfortunately beta testing code that I actually PAY for is against my grain (Im a software developer of free software) but I cant wait till they relese it officially. I personally prefer something along the lines of cubase or digital performer though

[Jimmy 4]

It will take considerable time to fund the studio I want for this!! :D

[n-root]

Originally posted by Jimmy 4
It will take considerable time to fund the studio I want for this!! :D

It's all good though man! Project studios are so modular that all you need to work are a few pieces and it all gets better as you go. Hell I just picked up a midi controller today at lunch but I have been step sequencing solidly without it. You just make your way with what you got when you got it I guess :D

[Jimmy 4]

Originally posted by n-root
It's all good though man! Project studios are so modular that all you need to work are a few pieces and it all gets better as you go. Hell I just picked up a midi controller today at lunch but I have been step sequencing solidly without it. You just make your way with what you got when you got it I guess :D

Yeah, that is what I plan on doing, (kinda am doing), but Wont really be able to achieve what I want without the finished set up, tizz all good, I have an entire lifetime!

[doug_sonic]

92+ percent lol . we are musicians , don't let anyone tell you different .

[djliquidice]

I have tons of people complain about the redudancy of our music. LOL, i love the redundancy. :) Hell, when i was younger, I could sit for HOURS listening to the Megaman Trax while playing the NES, which I still play.

[n-root]

Originally posted by doug_sonic
92+ percent lol . we are musicians , don't let anyone tell you different .

In this world you will find Symphony conductors who do not compose.... You will also find Dj's who donot produce. One creates differently than another but they still shape and form music into a performance, they are equally musicians even though they dont bang out arpegios on synths all day.

[Shakey]

i already do produce my own stuff. www.eastcoastdnbtrooperz.com

[nickn]

man there is some serious time traveling going on here.