Help me achieve the following DJ goals

[Broken Home]

So here's what I want to accomplish:

1. Get a chart on Beatport
2. Play a good slot at a good party out of state
3. Get a really impressive affiliation (doesn't have to be like "Def Jam" but something that people recognize)
4. Monthly residency somewhere like Fur, Love, Ibiza, other smaller club side rooms.

So help me -- what do I need to do to get there? I know there are people on this board that had a Beatport top 10 (Sleaze for example), I know people here play out of state, I don't know if anyone here has an awesome affiliation but maybe you do and I just don't recognize it. But either way, I want to come up with a concrete SMART GOAL. As you know, SMART means:

Specific
Measurable
Attainable
Relevant
Time-bound
I think #2 I could get within the next 12 months easy. #1, I just need to get in on that somehow, probably relies on me getting #2 and 3 done. #4 is probably easy if I butter up the right people (:ramiro:? :D) #3 probably requires me to start producing (not interested).

[zarbizarre]

1. you need to be well known in the DJ world, and for the most part a well known producer too....
2. See #1
3. See #1
4. Play hip hop.

[Broken Home]

1-3 So let's talk about how I can get there
#4 that's no problem, I love playing hip-hop

p.s. I would absolutely love advice from people who've actually accomplished any of these

[Master Miguel Lush]

i think the easiest way to get a beatport chart is to have tracks on beatport for sale....
the out of state gig, is not THAT hard to accomplish.... and the affiliation... the easiest way to do that, is make a list of which affiliations would you like, and then start working from there....
that, or tap a supermodel and tell brit tabloid that you are a DJ

[zarbizarre]

1 - 3, write tunes, get signed, have them released, get reviewed in big magazines (DJ Mag etc), get airplay on Radio1, etc

4. suck promoter cock

[zarbizarre]

1. Get well known
2. ????
3. ????
4. PROFIT!

[MURAMASA]

Support other parties.

Don't get frustrated when you don't get your way. Be grateful for the opportunities you're given and work hard to make them shine.

Don't expect things to happen on a timeline. You're in a long waiting line of DJs, and no matter how good you get there's always going to be someone in front of you with more experience, more brains, and/or more talent. Figure out what makes you different from others and push that.

Don't start threads on the buzzboard twice a year asking for everyone to help you and then not offer anything in return, lol. Most (but certainly not all) people in this scene are sitting in the same boat as you, and will not genuinely help you unless you have something to offer them in return... so start throwing parties that people want to get booked at, start making tracks they want to play, etc.

Accept that there is no rulebook for getting what you want, and that even if you do everything right you may still not get these things. What one person gets rewarded after 10 years of hard, honest work sometimes gets matched by someone else who tells the right joke at the right time to a group of coked-up promoters at an afterparty. Accepting this, resolving not to get bitter about it and maybe learning some new jokes will greatly help your chances at making better contacts and getting noticed.

[Broken Home]

Man I hate that everything involves me writing tunes. That makes me genuinely sad.

Charly, about the starting threads on buzzboard -- look, of course nobody is going to publicly come here and outline for me the step-by-steps, but I think these are good topics to discuss especially since a lot of people are in the same boat as me. So why not talk about it? :)

I also don't buy the "no rulebook" thing. I'll bet we can come up with a formula that works (almost) every time.

But back to the first thing: looks like I should start a PRODUCTION CREW and have someone produce and just let me put my name on it, and I'll pay them off like 50%.

[zarbizarre]

So you want to become a superstar DJ? Make it to the big time? You want you're name to be embroidered in that super club in Ibiza or Miami? Getting bored of just jockeying in your bedroom? Well, here are some tips for the perseverant newbie that wants to break out of the bedroom and into the club atmosphere.

1) Learn to Mix if you already haven't (Obvious tip I know, but some people don't know how to mix songs and want to DJ). Check out Beat Matching Tips. (http://www.motionselect.com/2009/03/9-tips-on-how-to-beat-match.html)

2)Network. Go to your favorite clubs, bars, lounge, and chat up the people. Be friendly and get to know the staff or promoters. Notice if your style of music would match the vibe of the place.

3) Make a mix CD. When you network, you obviously need a calling card. They won't just let any hibbity-whoo spin in their club without hearing any of their stuff. Make sure you keep it in your style. If you've never made a mix CD don't throw in every song you've ever liked (Unless of course that is your style).

4) Practice anywhere. Well almost anywhere that will let you. If you can't get into the clubs, how about friends' parties, maybe even work parties, or show openings. Some of these will probably be painful, but sometimes it's an experience to learn from(ie: "Do you have the new Britney?"). You'll start to notice which songs hit and which ones don't (even when you have to drop a very annoyingly cheesy song to get the crowd going). Remember, you are a DJ because you want to liven the crowd not necessarily to go off and do your own thing. Or at least you are not there yet.

5) Produce and remix songs. Do you know a superstar DJ that doesn't produce his or her own music? Exactly. Get down with the programs, and start learning how to create or remix music. Making a great remix is a surefire way to get noticed. When I mean great, I mean maximum exposure great. Look at Tiesto, his remix of that Delerium/Sarah McLachlan song shot him straight to the top. As for producing, Justice's Cross album made them a phenomenon. Now, they are booked across the board, DJing tons of events. I saw their name top billed in Southern California like 5 or 6 times this past year. Acidplanet (http://www.acidplanet.com/) holds contests all the time. You can also do bootleg remixes, I am not telling you to do this, but there have been many famous bootleg remixes that were so great that labels signed off on it (after some agreenment over payment of course). Danger Mouse did a bootleg remix of that entire Jay-z album. Some say, it became more popular than the actual album, thanks to the digital age.

6) Attend major events like NAMM or Winter Music Conference and network your balls off. Make sure you have your marketing material with you. After all, you are spending all that money to be there, it would be retarded if you didn't bring any promotional items.

7) Niche. Niche. Niche. There's a billion trance DJs and house DJs. What sets you apart from the others? Make sure you have a definitive style, not just trying to be a clone of someone else. Especially make sure your style brings people to the dance floor (bedtime sleepy music isn't going to cut it).

8) Get on the internet. Promote yourself, blog, Myspace, Facebook get the promotion going.

9) Get on the air. If you can get your material to radio DJ's like BBC's Radio One, or even internet radio would be a huge step. If you are in Los Angeles, KCRW might be worth a try.

10) Perseverance. If you still haven't made it big after being successful in all these tips. Then well, it's either your DJing sucks or your music does. It's time to hang up those turntables. You just have to keep working harder to get to the audience that suits you. You have to gain an audience over time, not over night.

That's all the tips I have for now. Now get out there and become a Superstar DJ. Just give me my 10 percent for following my advice. That's all I ask.

Bonus: Once you make it, you have to work on your signature hand move. You can do the god-like hands in the air, or the one finger in the air, or maybe make a heart with your hands together. Oh wait that's all taken.

[Master Miguel Lush]

Bonus: Once you make it, you have to work on your signature hand move. You can do the god-like hands in the air, or the one finger in the air, or maybe make a heart with your hands together. Oh wait that's all taken.

THIS IS SO FUCKING IMPORTANT!

I need to start working on mine

[MURAMASA]

Man I hate that everything involves me writing tunes. That makes me genuinely sad.

Charly, about the starting threads on buzzboard -- look, of course nobody is going to publicly come here and outline for me the step-by-steps, but I think these are good topics to discuss especially since a lot of people are in the same boat as me. So why not talk about it? :)

I also don't buy the "no rulebook" thing. I'll bet we can come up with a formula that works (almost) every time.

But back to the first thing: looks like I should start a PRODUCTION CREW and have someone produce and just let me put my name on it, and I'll pay them off like 50%.

I was being facetious. The trick to the 'formula' thing is that this is an ever-changing industry. By the time someone figures out a 'formula' for making it big, they're usually on the way out. Adaptation is important.

[Broken Home]

FUCK, I forgot about going to WMC and all those. I never go to the big things. I gotta get on that.

[Broken Home]

I was being facetious. The trick to the 'formula' thing is that this is an ever-changing industry. By the time someone figures out a 'formula' for making it big, they're usually on the way out. Adaptation is important.

How is making it big today different from making it big five years ago? Is it that today you have to be a producer and five years ago you didn't have to be?

[Cortex]

Start your own regular party. That will easily take care of everything except for #1. Number 1 is very difficult to do unless you are a producer with tracks on Beatport.

[Cortex]

How is making it big today different from making it big five years ago? Is it that today you have to be a producer and five years ago you didn't have to be?

Five years ago, being a good producer was a GUARANTEED way to get big. Now, it only helps a little.

But for local gigs (and a lot of out-of-town ones), the best way is, and has always been, to have your own party. Trust me on this.

[john c]

you can forget about #1 for now Amitai. Plus why do you care? Unless you are a highly esteemed producer, nobody will even look at your chart

[Broken Home]

Good call on starting a good party Dave. As much as I don't want to do that, it looks like I have to.


you can forget about #1 for now Amitai. Plus why do you care? Unless you are a highly esteemed producer, nobody will even look at your chart

It's just a status thing for me. I want shit to brag about (for real) and that sounds like a cool thing to say.

[zarbizarre]

But for local gigs (and a lot of out-of-town ones), the best way is, and has always been, to have your own party. Trust me on this.



QFT. You dont even have to be a good dj if you throw parties. You can mix dubstep with electrohouse and book yourself in prime slots at your events...

[Catalyst]

beatport charts are lame, seems like every dipshit has one nowadays.

As for playing out of state, the easiest way to do that is to have your own party and do booking swaps. Otherwise, it helps to be in the scene for awhile, because when people you know move to other cities in the world you suddenly have an "in".

[Broken Home]

OK so sounds like having my own party is what's good. Got it :) Perhaps that can tie in to goal #4? If I have a monthly takeover someplace like Martini room, I could probably count that as "my own party" -- or is that too small?

[spiggums]

Start your own regular party. That will easily take care of everything except for #1. Number 1 is very difficult to do unless you are a producer with tracks on Beatport.

*points to signature*

*points to obvious lack of Spiggy tracks*

*profit*

[john c]

well i meant to say either produce tracks or be affiliated with a label that puts out tracks
I got a chart once cause of a remix I did for a label

Amitai: all your goals are simply about demand. People won't do you favors. You need to get noticed on some level whether via superior dj mixes, immensely popular parties you throw, tracks put out, etc. Theres no magic bullet. Just work and see what happens. Plus you should be doing music stuff cause its in your blood, not just to achieve your to-do-list

And if you want a room at Ibiza or Fur, thats only going to happen if you are bringing in signficantly more people to the room than currently

[Broken Home]

ok it's been 90 minutes since I started this thread and already I'm tired of the entertainment industry. Fuck this shit tbh :(

[zarbizarre]

i can get you a chart on beatport, all I have to do is submit it to them thru my distro...

however, for me to do so, you need to answer the following question:

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[john c]

you know what we can do? Remember how in Tranceaddict, they got so fed up with the bullshit DJ mag poll, they voted some random dude on their board into the top 100? Lets do that with Amitai.

Dan, you would be happy with that accomplishment?

[zarbizarre]

we'd need to get anon involved in that for it to work properly

[Broken Home]

LOL.

That would be lulzy so yes, but I don't think it would help with any of my actual goals.

[Broken Home]

we'd need to get anon involved in that for it to work properly

anon would only vote for me if I was something like "DJ What Has Science Done" and even then they would probably vote with proxies and get me disqualified.

[zarbizarre]

lol


DJ BOXXY IS OUR QUEEN

[john c]

well the dude who got into the charts got several gigs out of it

[Broken Home]

well the dude who got into the charts got several gigs out of it

hmmm....

[Cortex]

Amitai: all your goals are simply about demand. People won't do you favors. You need to get noticed on some level whether via superior dj mixes, immensely popular parties you throw, tracks put out, etc. Theres no magic bullet. Just work and see what happens. Plus you should be doing music stuff cause its in your blood, not just to achieve your to-do-list


This *is* the magic bullet right here. Like all things in life, the more you put in, the more you get out. Just keep working your ass off until you hit the tipping point.

[The Logic Theorist]

The booking swap thing does work, but only one of the out of state gigs I played in Texas was an actual swap. Otherwise, I got out of state gigs from being on a nationwide email list for the music I played (2 Step) and fronting my own transport costs.

I also had a press kit I would mail out to people, and hand out when I was out of town. I did pull at least one gig off this press kit, and it was a pretty big one.

Networking is the really big thing. Apparently, for instance, there's a group on the Serato forum that does a rotating internet radio show, and people have gotten bookings and done booking trades based on that.

You will probably have to front your own travel costs at first. It's much easier to get a gig out of state as a "no name" if you're going to "be there anyway".

I don't think you -need- to make tracks.

[nonchalant]

OK so sounds like having my own party is what's good. Got it :) Perhaps that can tie in to goal #4? If I have a monthly takeover someplace like Martini room, I could probably count that as "my own party" -- or is that too small?

Having your own event is a huge pain in the ass IMO but on the flipside you get to spin on a regular basis and usally end up making good contacts which can lead to other opportunities.

[JacobDaniel]

#3 probably requires me to start producing (not interested).

Before I give my response to this, let me say first I am NOT a producer.

With that being said, if you really want to accomplish a lot of things as a DJ these days(esp with EDM), it's a really good idea to start producing. Every headliner that we've brought to Digital Invasion has been a producer.

Face it, DJ's are a dime a dozen these days, and if you're not doing anything more special than other DJ's, you're kind of limited.

If you start producing, and your tracks go on beatport, and you crack say the top 100 of your specific genre, people from all over the world will know your name, and therefore will make these goals you want to achieve both attainable AND realistic.

/.02 cents

[TZEECH]

So here's what I want to accomplish:

1. Get a chart on Beatport
2. Play a good slot at a good party out of state
3. Get a really impressive affiliation (doesn't have to be like "Def Jam" but something that people recognize)
4. Monthly residency somewhere like Fur, Love, Ibiza, other smaller club side rooms.

So help me -- what do I need to do to get there? I know there are people on this board that had a Beatport top 10 (Sleaze for example), I know people here play out of state, I don't know if anyone here has an awesome affiliation but maybe you do and I just don't recognize it. But either way, I want to come up with a concrete SMART GOAL. As you know, SMART means:

Specific
Measurable
Attainable
Relevant
Time-bound
I think #2 I could get within the next 12 months easy. #1, I just need to get in on that somehow, probably relies on me getting #2 and 3 done. #4 is probably easy if I butter up the right people (:ramiro:? :D) #3 probably requires me to start producing (not interested).





MONEY!!!!!
do what the big names do, have someone hand you a hit track and put you name on it so you become the next "it man".
oh, don't forget to manhandle alot of meat!

[Haach]

MONEY!!!!!
do what the big names do, have someone hand you a hit track and put you name on it so you become the next "it man".
oh, don't forget to manhandle alot of meat!

this

[Broken Home]

How much money do you think I'd need to get a good track?

[Haach]

How much money do you think I'd need to get a good track?

tree fiddy
dont foget the meat massage

[lupitanahsee]

Bonus: Once you make it, you have to work on your signature hand move. You can do the god-like hands in the air, or the one finger in the air, or maybe make a heart with your hands together. Oh wait that's all taken.

TOP SHELF TYPWRITER IS WHERE ITS AT!

[dubsteptim]

how many "big" djs are left that DONT produce?

i can think of a couple "bigger" name dubstep djs that dont, but seriously that list is only about 3 ppl (joe, n-type [who does produce sometimes] & youngsta) and they are big cuz they play 100% dubplates

[Broken Home]

yeah I'm not playing 100% dubplates. I will start producing!!!

[DJ STEEVROCK]

What you need is a Manager!

1. Dont believe the hype about the so called "producer" route. Many well known so called "producers/djs" are merely just "directors". They hire real producer, tell them what they want, and they take all the credit for it. The industry calls them Ghost writers/producers.

2. Networking=Ass kissing. Thats what your manager is for. Let that person build your hype and build relationships. More then likely if you do it on your own you will become "the dj that kisses ass for gigs"

3. Fuck that "building your own party". You're a DJ not a PROMOTER! Building a successful party takes LOTS of hard work, dedication, and PROMOTING! Promoting=marketing=gimmicks. Leave that shit to the real event coordinators. Most djs that create their own nights/residency are ASKED by clubs/promotion companies. Build a product first...the rest will follow.

4. Ive heard your shit...you have a distinct sound and your creativity is awesome. There are many djs in this game..but creativity is one key element that most lack and keep them "local". Keep up the good work! I think my boy (Colin) asked you to spin at his Sunset party. Probably see you out there! Ill holla.

[Broken Home]

Cheers dude. Thanks for the compliments and the advice. I actually just hired a manager last week (believe it or not!!) and we are working out the details right now.

[john c]

What you need is a Manager!

1. Dont believe the hype about the so called "producer" route. Many well known so called "producers/djs" are merely just "directors". They hire real producer, tell them what they want, and they take all the credit for it. The industry calls them Ghost writers/producers.


thats true of the guys who became the big djs when the scene blew up and took them with it. so they had to hire guys to stay relevant. but basically all the newer wave of people getting bookings are the guys who made their own music that was in demand. Also, the ghost writers make a good deal of money and eventually get their respect eventually and usually go solo. See Matt Nordstrom and others

[DJ STEEVROCK]

thats true of the guys who became the big djs when the scene blew up and took them with it. so they had to hire guys to stay relevant. but basically all the newer wave of people getting bookings are the guys who made their own music that was in demand. Also, the ghost writers make a good deal of money and eventually get their respect eventually and usually go solo. See Matt Nordstrom and others

Totally agree with this. Just giving the kid some options. Although most djs nowadays are getting booked solely because of there tracks doesn't mean ghost writers don't exist. I would keep this in mind especially if producing is not your strong point.

Also there are Djs that are huge and don't produce shit...i.e. Eddie Halliway. Enferno, Zabiela etc. What sets them apart was their djing skills.

A BIG QUESTION FOR YOU AMATAI IS....

Do you want to be known for your tracks or your djing skills/performance?

[Broken Home]

I want to be known primarily for my huge wang.

[nonchalant]

I want to be known primarily for my huge wang.


Need a manager for that one too .

[Broken Home]

My dick is so big it has its own manager.

[john c]

my guess: Amitai just wants to get laid and DJ-ing helps in that regard for him

[Quannum Logic]

Dan, Ive said it before and I'll say it again...you are who Serato was invented for....you mix some of the most random shit together durring a set, and you do it very well....I would use that fact to your advantage.

also, put out mix CD's as often as possible, and contact producers (like the large quantity of producers you are friends with here in DC) and ask if you can use some of their new tunes on your Mix exclusively (adding, of course, some sort of sample over the tune to ensure it is not ripped from the mix....much like the constant "R-R-R-R-R-R-RADIO 1 EX-EX-EX-EX-EX-CLU-CLU-CLU-CLU-SIVE-SIVE-SIVE!!!" you hear on those broadcasts)"

also, get your head out of your ass....nobody makes a living off being a DJ or producer anymore. All the money your people (Im referring, of course, to your fellow joos who control the entertainment industry, Dan) have alloted for people to be able to make as a DJ is taken. ;P

[spiggums]

Totally agree with this. Just giving the kid some options. Although most djs nowadays are getting booked solely because of there tracks doesn't mean ghost writers don't exist. I would keep this in mind especially if producing is not your strong point.

Also there are Djs that are huge and don't produce shit...i.e. Eddie Halliway. Enferno, Zabiela etc. What sets them apart was their djing skills.

A BIG QUESTION FOR YOU AMATAI IS....

Do you want to be known for your tracks or your djing skills/performance?

While I'll agree that his Djing is really what sets him apart...

Zabiela totally produces... some of the best bootlegs I have came from him... not to mention the fact that Robophobia will always be a fucking awesome tune..

[john c]

https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/track/catalog/?performerId=155&contextType=artists&contextEntityId=155&orderBy=trackPublishDate%20DESC%2C%20releaseId%20DESC

[Broken Home]

EZ alec and thanks for the compliments etc. I'm not trying to make a living djing, since (like all Jews) when I turn 30 I automatically inherit a bank and a law firm, so I'm pretty set financially. Ya I guess I need exclusives. That's how the dubplate guys do it, right?

[john c]

why not just be DL of Weinstein's Wedding DJs Inc? Pay is great. And you get to spin anything you want. Being dead serious here. Id do it if wedding parties wanted to hear warehouse techno. I know a guy who makes 2-4k per wedding. He is about to quit his job and just do wedding DJ-ing for a living. He can work 2 weekends and relax the whole rest of the month.

[Broken Home]

2-4k per wedding?!

Don't say these things to me John, it's going to take all day to rub those dollar signs out of my eyes.


Heeeeeeeeeey Macarena

[DJ STEEVROCK]

https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/track/catalog/?performerId=155&contextType=artists&contextEntityId=155&orderBy=trackPublishDate%20DESC%2C%20releaseId%20DESC

Yeah I know James Zab produces tracks...but I think he focuses his attention more on the dj side rather than producing tracks. His bread and better is his djing abilities.

[john c]

i am NOT joking. He is Persian and specialized in the Persian wedding scene. Every Persian books him and he plays commercial EDM too and mixes it with hiphop and rock, etc. You seem like you'd be the perfect Wedding DJ for hipper younger couples. At first he was making 500 but he quickly got the rate raised as he got more clout. And these couples spend $100k on weddings. They don't notice the $1k-2k for the DJ. Also, he's not even NEARLY as skilled as Djs on here. He's not in the EDM scene. He does half ass mixes, etc.

[DJ STEEVROCK]

You dont need to do weddings. Link up with any of the clubs today. Guaranteed they have a smashup night. They play everything from rock to dubstep. From experience, they pay anywhere from 250-500 a night..not as much as wedding. But get 2-3 per weeks and you're in the money! Plus weddings require you to MC, bring your own sound and lights, and is a balancing act of music you think is terrible with even more terrible music. lol

[RAMIRO]

lol


DJ BOXXY IS OUR QUEEN


BOXXY!
* types and deletes something very inappropriate *


:ontome:

[Broken Home]

ok ok but guys this isn't about money, it's about me being super famous and then I can pull strings to get you VIP at Club Love and shit!!

[Perpetuum]

So here's what I want to accomplish:

1. Get a chart on Beatport
2. Play a good slot at a good party out of state
3. Get a really impressive affiliation (doesn't have to be like "Def Jam" but something that people recognize)
4. Monthly residency somewhere like Fur, Love, Ibiza, other smaller club side rooms.

1. Be a producer.
2. Kiss ass and drive there.
3. Kiss ass.
4. Kiss ass.

[Quannum Logic]

EZ alec and thanks for the compliments etc. I'm not trying to make a living djing, since (like all Jews) when I turn 30 I automatically inherit a bank and a law firm, so I'm pretty set financially. Ya I guess I need exclusives. That's how the dubplate guys do it, right?

lol, I totally forgot about the bank and law firm deal...

yea, Im about to do a mob barley promo mix, and Im planning on hitting up alot of producers (12th Planet, Trill Bass, Numbernin6, Genr8, etc...) for dubs to put on it in addition to our tunes....it won't be for sale or anything, but just a mix to showcase all the new mob barley stuff and other up-front dubstep.

also, ask big name DJ's and Producers if they would be willing to do a shout out for you to put in your mix (e.g. "This is [insert big name] and you're in the mix with Amitai")...sounds cheezy but it helps.

on a related sidenote, I was Ted Koppel's personal service tech for his home theater and A/V systems at a company I used to work for, and he has a Vocal recording booth in his house where he records his NPR radio broadcasts...I had asked his wife if he would be willing to do a shout out for a Headhunterz Inc. mix (something along the lines of "This is Ted Koppel...our top story tonight, Headhunterz Inc. is about to rip up the dancefloor...stay tuned!") and she said she didn't think he would mind, and next time I am over to do work and he is not too busy I should ask him............well a week later I had a major dispute with my new boss's total incompetence and quit....I still regret not staying on untill I got that shout out.

[Broken Home]

Dude a golden opportunity LOST! Personally if I could get a Kojo Namdi shoutout I would retire. Or the hot chick from Washington Journal.

[Quannum Logic]

Dude a golden opportunity LOST! Personally if I could get a Kojo Namdi shoutout I would retire. Or the hot chick from Washington Journal.

lol it was awesome...Ted speaks exactly like he does during the news...he would be telling me the issues with his system, and would do so with the exact inflectons he uses during broadcasts....

[Fishy]

1. Dont believe the hype about the so called "producer" route. Many well known so called "producers/djs" are merely just "directors". They hire real producer, tell them what they want, and they take all the credit for it. The industry calls them Ghost writers/producers.


Not trying to jack threads or anything but fyi I am a freelance engineer/producer/ghost-writer/whatever you wanna call it.

I'm more specialized in 4x4 stuff though :(

[mojojones]

[
QUOTE=amitai;3245911]

But back to the first thing: looks like I should start a PRODUCTION CREW and have someone produce and just let me put my name on it, and I'll pay them off like 50%.[/QUOTE]

are you serious about that?

I have produced a track before for some one and he paid the money to press it, so we put both names on it although he didnt do much production, but just offered opinions

if you would be willing to pay for someone well known to remix it we could do the something like that, I could get it on out on beatport (also probably any other producer in the area would be interested as well if you were offering something like that)

[Broken Home]

how much does it cost to pay someone well known to mix it?

[PaulieWalnuts]

Do you know what the dance music scene needs? It needs a Baltimore club mix of the fish heads song. Rolly-polly fish heads, fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum.

[mojojones]

how much does it cost to pay someone well known to mix it?

really varies from producer, but for me, and the music im into, if was going to do something like that I think I would try to budget 500 to 1000 or so (depending on the project and style of music I would try to go with my contacts or referrals from some one I know to try to get a 'friend' price).

but then again I recently was able to get a well known producer to remix my upcoming release for free, so I guess anything is possible,just depends on the circumstance and situtation

[MINDPHUQ]

Do you know what the dance music scene needs? It needs a Baltimore club mix of the fish heads song. Rolly-polly fish heads, fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum.

YES.

[Broken Home]

really varies from producer, but for me, and the music im into, if was going to do something like that I think I would try to budget 500 to 1000 or so (depending on the project and style of music I would try to go with my contacts or referrals from some one I know to try to get a 'friend' price).

but then again I recently was able to get a well known producer to remix my upcoming release for free, so I guess anything is possible,just depends on the circumstance and situtation

Do you think I could get $500 worth of gigs out of paying $500 for a tune? I wouldn't mind dropping $500 or even a grand if I had a good chance of breaking even.

[mojojones]

Do you think I could get $500 worth of gigs out of paying $500 for a tune? I wouldn't mind dropping $500 or even a grand if I had a good chance of breaking even.

maybe? its an investment in your own business, but no garauntee like any small business,

though I think personally if you were spending money like that is to establish your own label, and devolp it, your sound and your style as its own "brand" rather to put money in somebody elses label.

though it depends on how you want to approach the distribution aspect of your label, if you play in a genre where vinyl is still prevelant then that is an option, but if digital, as a new label start-up its virtually impossible to get on beatport unless you have connections or a proven track record, but sites like stompy, juno, turntable lab, maybe itunes would be an option (also depends on what music your doing, for some styles beatport is the end all by all,some dont even care about it)

getting a digital distributor would help with getting the music to the proper channels, I think the aproach of using connections, your hired artists clout, and money would get your foot in the door in esatablishing your business

even if you dont produce, take someone like James Amato, whose label is one of the premerie us-based fidget lables, and releases track of all the biggest names in that scene, and he plays all over the world. for example

[Broken Home]

Yeah see I don't want to start my own label. I'd much rather get on someone else who's already on beatport. So like if I could pay Diplo to remix my track and release it on Mad Decent, that would be great (of course that would cost me way more than $500)

[MINDPHUQ]

L O L




Dan Amitai (http://amitai.net) (Freeform DJ Kolektiv (http://freeformdj.com), Berlin (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115116))

[mojojones]

Yeah see I don't want to start my own label. I'd much rather get on someone else who's already on beatport. So like if I could pay Diplo to remix my track and release it on Mad Decent, that would be great (of course that would cost me way more than $500)

yeah its alot of work
probably better to find an up and comer that is blowing up that you can get a rate more suitable to your budget
then either shop to labels or get it on a label from someone you know
I am curious though if you could pay somone to remix it and put it out on their label? (if that is common practice? its like your buying your way into their label.)

[zarbizarre]

Do you think I could get $500 worth of gigs out of paying $500 for a tune? I wouldn't mind dropping $500 or even a grand if I had a good chance of breaking even.


pay me $500 and ill ghost write you a song or two and put it out on scrape lol, ill even give you 50% royalty of the song sales/publishing too

[mojojones]

pay me $500 and ill ghost write you a song or two and put it out on scrape lol, ill even give you 50% royalty of the song sales/publishing too

lol there you go Dan, you got your hookup

so your thread was useful after all

although not sure that its public knowledge of how you got your hookup would help your cred / reputation
I wouldnt pay no mind myself, but theres a lot of haters out there, lol

[Broken Home]

Alan who could you get to remix my tune? I don't just need a tune, I need someone to remix it.

[FrankieBass]

How can I get my Tracks on BeatPort. I already have mass amounts of shows and starting to play out further and further every month... I need to get some tracks signed to get some recognition, I already have clout in the tristate area with out selling my soul... Check out my mixset of 6 tracks I made "Let Me Be Frank" http://www.tribalistix.com/frankie

[zarbizarre]

Alan who could you get to remix my tune? I don't just need a tune, I need someone to remix it.


i can get anyone u want for the right amount of cash...

[zarbizarre]

How can I get my Tracks on BeatPort. I already have mass amounts of shows and starting to play out further and further every month... I need to get some tracks signed to get some recognition, I already have clout in the tristate area with out selling my soul... Check out my mixset of 6 tracks I made "Let Me Be Frank" http://www.tribalistix.com/frankie


i got your pm, ill check ur stuff when i get back from FL.... lappy speeks are crappy speeks

[Broken Home]

i can get anyone u want for the right amount of cash...

well let's talk about that. What's the right amount of cash?

[zarbizarre]

depends on the artist u want to remix... money talks...

the bigger the name, the more it costs...

[zarbizarre]

anyway, im off to orlando for a bit, lets talk this stuff when i get back to md on tue

[Broken Home]

OK. I'd like quotes for the following levels:

- Armand Van Helden
- Skream
- Diplo
- Crystal Method
- Apparat
- Stupid Fresh
- Calculon and Eric Yo!
- datashat
- future signal

[Perpetuum]

How can I get my Tracks on BeatPort. I already have mass amounts of shows and starting to play out further and further every month... I need to get some tracks signed to get some recognition, I already have clout in the tristate area with out selling my soul... Check out my mixset of 6 tracks I made "Let Me Be Frank" http://www.tribalistix.com/frankie

Send them to labels and pray that you get lucky.

[Perpetuum]

OK. I'd like quotes for the following levels:

- Armand Van Helden
- Skream
- Diplo
- Crystal Method
- Apparat
- Stupid Fresh
- Calculon and Eric Yo!
- datashat
- future signal

Are you serious with some of these names? Look, cuz...doing ONE tune and getting it signed ain't gonna get you nearly as many bookings as you think. People will appreciate the tune and play it out, but that's about as far as it goes. In order to get more bookings, you need to be prolific and continue to release material and become a name known throughout the community. So unless you feel like paying Armand Van Helden several thousand dollars to remix or to ghostwrite for you every single time you want to write a new tune, I'd suggest you either start producing yourself, find a new angle to achieve what you want or not have such lofty goals.

[Broken Home]

Are you serious with some of these names? Look, cuz...doing ONE tune and getting it signed ain't gonna get you nearly as many bookings as you think. People will appreciate the tune and play it out, but that's about as far as it goes. In order to get more bookings, you need to be prolific and continue to release material and become a name known throughout the community. So unless you feel like paying Armand Van Helden several thousand dollars to remix or to ghostwrite for you every single time you want to write a new tune, I'd suggest you either start producing yourself, find a new angle to achieve what you want or not have such lofty goals.

I'm not serious about all those names, but Alan seems to think he can get me anyone for the right price, so I'm just curious about the price.

[Stitch]

Dan i think getting on beatport is going to be the hardest of all of your goals. The reason i say that is because at WMC this year the Beatport president was there and talked about how beatport has implemented a new quality control standard and aren't accepting any new labels. They are making it where only established labels can get their tunes on their site. So not only will you need someone famous to remix your tune but also get it picked up by a big label that matters.

[Broken Home]

Thanks Stitch, that's very useful information.