ass kissing

[daniella downs]

this thread should be legendary if people are actually honest.

dj's - let me ask you this.

do you feel the need to kiss a promoter's ass if you want to ever play their party? obviously im not talking about friendly chat, and it's pretty obvious what is ass kissing, and what is not. for example - say a promoter is a dj. and they suck balls as a dj. would you big them up to play their party? say the promoter is a douche who throws so-so parties? would you kiss their ass to be considered? say the promoter throws giant off the chain parties - would you kiss their ass to play for them?

to those that are actually honest enough to answer this one - what are the determining factors?


if this was on nsb, it'd get 10 pages between the obligatory tangent that steers the whole thread away about 4 pages in, but given the shit population of this board nowadays, i'm hoping for at least 3.

[| Bass Drop |]

Insomniac dick sucking line starts over there ----->

Complimentary knee pads available.

Wide awake and accepting blow jobs since 1993.

[daniella downs]

what color are the knee pads. these are key elements that you have left out.

[Cortex]

Hell no. If someone throws awesome parties that you want to play at, you're giving the person an honest compliment if you tell them they throw awesome parties, whether or not you even want to be considered.

If someone is a shit DJ, don't tell them they're awesome. But maybe also avoid telling them that they suck :-)

[daniella downs]

Hell no. If someone throws awesome parties that you want to play at, you're giving the person an honest compliment if you tell them they throw awesome parties, whether or not you even want to be considered.

If someone is a shit DJ, don't tell them they're awesome. But maybe also avoid telling them that they suck :-)

you're a good example dave -

when you were with dc skillz, would you have been more ready to book your people who maybe werent as good as others because they kissed your ass more, or the other?

let's just say that both draw the same here.

[Jungle Jessi]

LOLOLOL!!!

oh ian.....is this your way of determining who you should expect gratuitous favors from next time you throw a party? :wink:

[| Bass Drop |]

what color are the knee pads. these are key elements that you have left out.


Glitter & Multi-color Kandi...it's the Insomniac way.

[SCHLiTZ]

if their partys suck, why would you want to play?
if their partys are bangin', promote yourself as a dj that would fit the promoters needs.

leave the dicksucking to speaker ho's.

[empath]

this thread should be legendary if people are actually honest.

dj's - let me ask you this.

do you feel the need to kiss a promoter's ass if you want to ever play their party? obviously im not talking about friendly chat, and it's pretty obvious what is ass kissing, and what is not. for example - say a promoter is a dj. and they suck balls as a dj. would you big them up to play their party? say the promoter is a douche who throws so-so parties? would you kiss their ass to be considered? say the promoter throws giant off the chain parties - would you kiss their ass to play for them?

to those that are actually honest enough to answer this one - what are the determining factors?


if this was on nsb, it'd get 10 pages between the obligatory tangent that steers the whole thread away about 4 pages in, but given the shit population of this board nowadays, i'm hoping for at least 3.

I don't care what everybody else says about you, i think you're the best dj in dc. seriously -- that's from the heart.

[daniella downs]

Glitter & Multi-color Kandi...it's the Insomniac way.

i bet you money that if you sold glitter and multi color kandi kneepads, you would make a fortune.

[daniella downs]

I don't care what everybody else says about you, i think you're the best dj in dc. seriously -- that's from the heart.

LOL.

this seriously has nothing to with me. honestly.

but thank you. i think so too.

[empath]

LOL.

this seriously has nothing to with me. honestly.

but thank you. i think so too.
Can I get a gig?

[john c]

I don't care what everybody else says about you, i think you're the best dj in dc. seriously -- that's from the heart.

you think he's booking Epic Trance djs right now?


LOL.

this seriously has nothing to with me. honestly.

but thank you. i think so too.


joke ->>>>>>
(ian's head)

[konversion]

maybe when i was younger and naive about it all. now, i just want to show that i'm easy to work with and i take pride in what i do. i don't feel the need to kiss ass to get booked. if i don't get booked, then oh well, i guess i'm not as good as i thought =x

[Rican]

in the past yes, definately... I'd be willing to do whatever I had to just about to get into a promoters good graces just for chance to play that 9PM opening slot at their event...

nowadays not so much... it's just not worth it to be honest... I got other more important things to focus on... like helping record labels and doing my weekly radio show on NSB. been burned too many times busting ass promoting and such to get a weak timeslot or endure crappy conditions after driving hours to get there...

There are some great promoters out there that deserve some ass kissing cause they are constant professionals and its always a pleasure to play for them like the Give boys, Stryda and crew, the guys and gals of Transgression Sessions up in PA, and some others. So yeah i'll always big up their events cause I beleive in what they ae doing and if I lived closer I would be attending them on a regular basis.

But just to do so for a booking is no longer in my interests and prob why I haven't played in my own town of Richmond since last year even though I just did a gig in Atlanta with another one lined-up in August plus gigs in Baltimore and DC coming up as well lol

I'll just let my body of work as a DJ be enough to get me booked from now on and if it doesn't then oh, well... I got a steady gig every Sunday from 6PM-8PM to hundreds of people listening in from all over the world. that's good enough for me :)

*Edited for spelling corrections...

[Broken Home]

do you feel the need to kiss a promoter's ass if you want to ever play their party?

I used to feel that need when I started playing out, but not anymore! :)


say a promoter is a dj. and they suck balls as a dj. would you big them up to play their party? say the promoter is a douche who throws so-so parties? would you kiss their ass to be considered?

I do this in the goth community when I try to get guest spots at goth nights. I don't think there's anything wrong with my behavior though, considering the context.


say the promoter throws giant off the chain parties - would you kiss their ass to play for them?

Of course -- Who doesn't want to be a part of giant off-the-chain parties? I mean, I won't l take his mom to her dialysis appointment or whatever, but I'll certainly buy him drinks and go out to his other events etc. to get noticed.*

* But also I am LAZY sometimes. There are a few great promoters here that I haven't played for, and I would love to get their attention, but I'm just too busy or lazy to get in contact with them, go to their parties so that they know who I am, etc. etc. It's hard work.

[Rico Suave]

this thread should be legendary if people are actually honest.

dj's - let me ask you this.

do you feel the need to kiss a promoter's ass if you want to ever play their party? obviously im not talking about friendly chat, and it's pretty obvious what is ass kissing, and what is not. for example - say a promoter is a dj. and they suck balls as a dj. would you big them up to play their party? say the promoter is a douche who throws so-so parties? would you kiss their ass to be considered? say the promoter throws giant off the chain parties - would you kiss their ass to play for them?

to those that are actually honest enough to answer this one - what are the determining factors?


if this was on nsb, it'd get 10 pages between the obligatory tangent that steers the whole thread away about 4 pages in, but given the shit population of this board nowadays, i'm hoping for at least 3.

Kissing ass is a natural part of the game. Burning bridges is not something a promoter or a dj wants to do. So, playing the game and playing nice...even though you know the dj/promoter is a douche bag...is essential to success.

[john c]

I dont kiss ass EVER
and I don't get gigs
CASE CLOSED

[Broken Home]

if this was on nsb

hey if there are legendary threads in progress on that board can you send me a link? I want to become more involved there but it's too much to check every day.

[empath]

I got bookings at buzz because i kissed ass, I'm sure. But it was 99% sincere. Buzz was my church.

[daniella downs]

Can I get a gig?

LOL.

on the for real, i'd book you anyways, but i dont even know what you play anymore.



joke ->>>>>>
(ian's head)

yeah i just realized that too.

i still agree, however.

[Broken Home]

I hate everyone at Bridges but I act like I'm friends with them so that they'll book me twice a year.

[john c]

LOL.

on the for real, i'd book you anyways, but i dont even know what you play anymore.




yeah i just realized that too.

i still agree, however.

every DJ by definition thinks they are the best DJ since they pick their own favorite music. Think about it (said in Demetri Martin accent)

[daniella downs]

But just to do so for a booking is no longer in my interests and prob why I haven't played in my own town of Richmond since last year even though I just did a gig in Atlanta with another one lined-up in August plus gigs in Baltimore and DC coming up as well lol

and that is sad, really.



Kissing ass is a natural part of the game. Burning bridges is not something a promoter or a dj wants to do. So, playing the game and playing nice...even though you know the dj/promoter is a douche bag...is essential to success.

yes and no. while i do agree with you, i'll put it to you this way - 3D for example, booked the same breaks people, sometimes more than once. did i ever play for them? no. would i have if i kissed their ass? maybe. probably more of a chance than not, and i'm doing more shit than any other local breaks dj they booked. between them and steez, it pretty much proves my point.

[daniella downs]

every DJ by definition thinks they are the best DJ since they pick their own favorite music. Think about it (said in Demetri Martin accent)

SHUT UP JOHN. YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE.


(but really, you are right)

[empath]

LOL.

on the for real, i'd book you anyways, but i dont even know what you play anymore.




yeah i just realized that too.

i still agree, however.
i had no idea you even had a party, tbh. i don't keep up with anything anymore, really.

(i play electro/breaks/bmoreclub/hipster shit, probably, i don't know anymore, i play gigs so rarely)

[daniella downs]

i dont have a party of my own, i just throw them with other people now, really.

[empath]

Honestly, if i'm booking locals for a party, I'd book based on the following criteria in order:

1: Draw
2: Enthusiasm (ie, ass-kissing)
3: Talent


As long as the guy can beatmatch, anyway.

[daniella downs]

Honestly, if i'm booking locals for a party, I'd book based on the following criteria in order:

1: Draw
2: Enthusiasm (ie, ass-kissing)
3: Talent


As long as the guy can beatmatch, anyway.

sad that 1 an 2 are above 3 here, but in this economy i spose it's the case where people would rather have shit that aint so good sometimes over the latter.

and that's not me saying that anyone sucks, moreso just commenting on jon's point.

[john c]

Talent has always been at the bottom lets be honest. This isn't a result of the Recession lulz

[Rican]

Honestly, if i'm booking locals for a party, I'd book based on the following criteria in order:

1: Draw
2: Enthusiasm (ie, ass-kissing)
3: Talent


As long as the guy can beatmatch, anyway.

I would do 1, 3, then 2. I don't care how enthusiastic a person is if they don't have talent I'm not booking them. I've seen hyped guys trainwreck every mix yet still get booked and I have no idea why.

Also, if the most talented guy doesn't bring anyone out, then that's a wash as well or I would pair that DJ up with maybe a less talented but more popular DJ so you get the best of both worlds.

[Rico Suave]

and that is sad, really.




yes and no. while i do agree with you, i'll put it to you this way - 3D for example, booked the same breaks people, sometimes more than once. did i ever play for them? no. would i have if i kissed their ass? maybe. probably more of a chance than not, and i'm doing more shit than any other local breaks dj they booked. between them and steez, it pretty much proves my point.

I guess it really depends on what you would classify as ass kissing. I think it's a fine line.

I'm not into having my ass kissed for a booking. In fact...it may turn me off. I'll book a so-so dj simply on draw and attitude alone. And I don't mean attitude as in this dj is more willing to stroke my fuckin goad. I hate being patronized, and I feel like ass kissing is patronizing. Just be straight up with me. And, on the other side of the thing as a dj, I would never kiss ass to get a booking. And, im a so-so dj. BUT, there is a certain level of egg shell walking that you MUST do.

[Rican]

BUT, there is a certain level of egg shell walking that you MUST do.

Unfortunately, this is more true than not...

[InkChic78]

HEY! I'm a promoter -

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE KISS MY ASS?



haha. :)

[daniella downs]

I guess it really depends on what you would classify as ass kissing. I think it's a fine line.

I'm not into having my ass kissed for a booking. In fact...it may turn me off. I'll book a so-so dj simply on draw and attitude alone. And I don't mean attitude as in this dj is more willing to stroke my fuckin goad. I hate being patronized, and I feel like ass kissing is patronizing. Just be straight up with me. And, on the other side of the thing as a dj, I would never kiss ass to get a booking. And, im a so-so dj. BUT, there is a certain level of egg shell walking that you MUST do.

tbh, i am exactly the same way. i would much rather people be straight with me and then let me think about what i am going to do (be it book them, or send them promos, or whatever). i butter people up all the time, but it's obviously a joke, and not to be taken seriously 99% of the time.

[Cortex]

you're a good example dave -

when you were with dc skillz, would you have been more ready to book your people who maybe werent as good as others because they kissed your ass more, or the other?

let's just say that both draw the same here.

Definitely not. If they both had the same draw, the person with the better skills would get the booking.

Besides skill and draw, the other deciding factor in a booking would have to be the person's professionalism and attitude.

As advice to DJ's, I would say instead of ass-kissing, treat the promoter as an equal. They will respect you more, and will have more confidence in you. Persistance helps too, but only if presented in a professional way. When someone seems desperate for a booking, it makes the promoter less likely to book you IMHO.

[empath]

I think 'talent' is an over-rated commodity with local djs. Honestly, one beatport dj is the same any other to 90% of the people going to parties. Having a lot of friends that show up to gigs is a bigger deal than being a better than average local, in terms of having a successful party.

I've got this theory about party throwing, that the promoter is the real artist of the party, NOT the DJ, and that the artistic product is NOT the music, but the crowd itself, and the mood of the crowd.

The promoter decides on the theme, the location, the decor, the music policy etc, which audience to market --- all of the IMPORTANT artistic decisions are made before the front doors even open. The DJ's job is to just not fuck things up. I don't care if you have the best DJ in the world at your party, if the vibe/crowd/club/venue isn't right, then the party is going to be a failure.

Witness 3D booking Armand Van Helden and managing to throw a lousy party anyway.

So, my point is that if you want a party to go well, you're better off booking a DJ that agrees with your personal artistic vision (sincere or not) than a 'talented' dj that doesn't respect you, or the party.

[daniella downs]

I think 'talent' is an over-rated commodity with local djs. Honestly, one beatport dj is the same any other to 90% of the people going to parties. Having a lot of friends that show up to gigs is a bigger deal than being a better than average local, in terms of having a successful party.

I've got this theory about party throwing, that the promoter is the real artist of the party, NOT the DJ, and that the artistic product is NOT the music, but the crowd itself, and the mood of the crowd.

The promoter decides on the theme, the location, the decor, the music policy etc, which audience to market --- all of the IMPORTANT artistic decisions are made before the front doors even open. The DJ's job is to just not fuck things up. I don't care if you have the best DJ in the world at your party, if the vibe/crowd/club/venue isn't right, then the party is going to be a failure.

Witness 3D booking Armand Van Helden and managing to throw a lousy party anyway.

So, my point is that if you want a party to go well, you're better off booking a DJ that agrees with your personal artistic vision (sincere or not) than a 'talented' dj that doesn't respect you, or the party.

you just said something, and then said something completely opposite (i can't remember the word for that right now - fuck off)

wouldnt the talented less drawing dj be the one who you would WANT to book in your concept?

[Cortex]

I think 'talent' is an over-rated commodity with local djs. Honestly, one beatport dj is the same any other to 90% of the people going to parties. Having a lot of friends that show up to gigs is a bigger deal than being a better than average local, in terms of having a successful party.

Yes and no. A good DJ makes a major contribution to the enjoyment of the crowd, sometimes on a subconscious level where it's not really apparent. For instance, it's fun to be at a party with your friends, but a DJ that knows how to keep the energy steadily building is going to subconsiously make you have an EVEN better time with your friends, even if it's not fully realized.


I've got this theory about party throwing, that the promoter is the real artist of the party, NOT the DJ, and that the artistic product is NOT the music, but the crowd itself, and the mood of the crowd.

Absolutely. Although, the DJ also plays a big role in the mood of the crowd.

[john c]

I think 'talent' is an over-rated commodity with local djs. Honestly, one beatport dj is the same any other to 90% of the people going to parties. Having a lot of friends that show up to gigs is a bigger deal than being a better than average local, in terms of having a successful party.

I've got this theory about party throwing, that the promoter is the real artist of the party, NOT the DJ, and that the artistic product is NOT the music, but the crowd itself, and the mood of the crowd.

The promoter decides on the theme, the location, the decor, the music policy etc, which audience to market --- all of the IMPORTANT artistic decisions are made before the front doors even open. The DJ's job is to just not fuck things up. I don't care if you have the best DJ in the world at your party, if the vibe/crowd/club/venue isn't right, then the party is going to be a failure.

Witness 3D booking Armand Van Helden and managing to throw a lousy party anyway.

So, my point is that if you want a party to go well, you're better off booking a DJ that agrees with your personal artistic vision (sincere or not) than a 'talented' dj that doesn't respect you, or the party.

this scenario is true when the higher talent is booked as a one off. BUT make the talented person a resident, give him room to grow and develope, and then maybe u can craft an actual nite with a purpose and vibe that will slowly draw more and more people with the help of a talented promoter. but in dc thats not how it works. the rotating pool of infinite djs guarantees that empath's opinion will hold true. and thus, low incentive to attend parties until your best friends are playing them

[john c]

Besides skill and draw, the other deciding factor in a booking would have to be the person's professionalism and attitude.
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of which the perception of those metrics are directly attributed to the degree of ass-kissing

[john c]

I've got this theory about party throwing, that the promoter is the real artist of the party, NOT the DJ, and that the artistic product is NOT the music, but the crowd itself, and the mood of the crowd.



ok fine. the people show up. then the music is average at best. their incentive to go back is meh. Then guess what? the Newer-newer promoter whos working for the New-new hotspot in DC is now going to pull the next big crowd and those people will leave for that. theres no consistency.

[konversion]

HEY! I'm a promoter -

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE KISS MY ASS?



haha. :)

heh, bend over =x

[daniella downs]

CONTRADICTED.

that was the word.






sorry.

[empath]

you just said something, and then said something completely opposite (i can't remember the word for that right now - fuck off)

wouldnt the talented less drawing dj be the one who you would WANT to book in your concept?
you caught me, i'm really just thinking out loud here.

I do agree that ideally you book talented residents and give them room to grow, but you have to mix it up with name DJs, and just people who have a lot of friends that will show up to support. I'm just saying, there's a place for people who ass-kiss to get gigs despite a lack of talent -- i guess it depends on the motivation. If they support the vision of the party, and aren't just doing it for ego, then they contribute to the overall vibe, even if they aren't technically as good as a lot of talented locals are that don't support the party. Growing talent can be better than importing talent.

Like, for me, I ass-kissed at Buzz because I believed in Buzz like the Pope believes in Jesus. I made some half-assed attempts to ass-kiss with Glow because i really just wanted to play there, but I didn't really respect the party (and still don't).

[john c]

yes you are right Jon
ideally:
successful party: the most talented djs given residencies, allowed to grow. while the best promoters work to sell those djs. for this, you need a club owner with vision and patience. the pool of djs in DC needs to shrink. way too many fucking djs. many are redundant unfortunately.

[daniella downs]

i agree with a lot of what you said.

here's an example i just used in an email.

take john c.

that dude is doing it right now. he's putting out tunes that are getting played by people that are big in his genre. but he's an afterthought (sorry john) when people think about the bigger locals in the area. why - cuz he doesnt play out all that often. why - cuz he doesnt kiss people's asses. people should be coming to him, not the other way around.

agree?


(sorry john, you were just my example there)

[Jungle Jessi]

BUT, there is a certain level of egg shell walking that you MUST do.


Unfortunately, this is more true than not...

but isn't that the case in any profession?

i mean....i definitely don't support the idea of being fake and kissing ass to get ahead....but walking on eggshells seems like it's just part of being in business. your boss might really irk you but you don't go out of your way to tell him that. it would be unprofessional. same deal with getting bookings. if you want to work with someone then there is a certain level of respect that you should show them....not bending over backwards to give them the reach around kind of respect....but definitely a level of professional respect.

just my $0.02.

[D ain't famous]

Everywhere that I've wanted to play I did it without kissing anyone's ass. No promoter(or person) is worth doing that for. Unless you got a woman as fly as mine. Thats another topic though. ANYWAYS, yeah if you can't get a spot at that promoters' party no worries, I'm sure you have better things to do.

[Cortex]

of which the perception of those metrics are directly attributed to the degree of ass-kissing

Maybe, but I did book people who presented themselves in a professional and positive manner, with zero ass-kissing. I've also refrained from booking a lot of people who totally kissed my ass, but also displayed a negative attitude and complete lack of professionalism.

Here's an example:

"I'm really impressed by the parties you throw. I'm a DJ, and I would love for an opportunity to play at your events. Here's a list of my accomplishments and what I could bring to the table..."

vs.

"I THINK YOU THROW THE BEST PARTIES EVAR! ALL THE OTHER PROMOTERS OUT THERE SUCK REALLY HARD, BUT YOU ARE AWESOME! PLEASE LET ME PLAY AT YOUR PARTIES, I WOULD DO A MUCH BETTER JOB THAN SO-AND-SO DJ THAT YOU BOOKED FOR YOUR LAST PARTY!"

[john c]

i agree with a lot of what you said.

here's an example i just used in an email.

take john c.

that dude is doing it right now. he's putting out tunes that are getting played by people that are big in his genre. but he's an afterthought (sorry john) when people think about the bigger locals in the area. why - cuz he doesnt play out all that often. why - cuz he doesnt kiss people's asses. people should be coming to him, not the other way around.

agree?


(sorry john, you were just my example there)

nothing to apologize. you hit the nail on the head. i just didnt want to say it myself. and theres others like me. then again theres guys who r huge in dc and spinning everywhere but buzzboard has no clue who they are. but i understand all this and cool with it. if i wanted gigs above all else, i would sacrifice studio time and be at clubs every nite meeting people and handing out demos. my goal personally, is to make much better music than what ive put out so far and let bookings come to me beyond dc. we will see how it works out. ive gotten a few cool gigs at WMC and such. but ass kissing just isnt in my blood. :)

ps: I will say, I am not helping myself being lazy as fuck with promos. I just feel like my music isnt quite up to its potential. in due time, i will be much more out there. so part of the blame really is on me. i cant deny that

[djoctane]

this thread should be legendary if people are actually honest.

dj's - let me ask you this.

do you feel the need to kiss a promoter's ass if you want to ever play their party? obviously im not talking about friendly chat, and it's pretty obvious what is ass kissing, and what is not. for example - say a promoter is a dj. and they suck balls as a dj. would you big them up to play their party? say the promoter is a douche who throws so-so parties? would you kiss their ass to be considered? say the promoter throws giant off the chain parties - would you kiss their ass to play for them?

to those that are actually honest enough to answer this one - what are the determining factors?


if this was on nsb, it'd get 10 pages between the obligatory tangent that steers the whole thread away about 4 pages in, but given the shit population of this board nowadays, i'm hoping for at least 3.


Small talk should be a common duty of any DJ that's trying to be pro-active. networking and being humble goes far. Supporting a continueing party modestly is to some extent as well.

Ass kissing to any smart DJ/Promoter/Club owner should be identified and brought to justice because of fakeness or alterior motives. A lot of people who do this suck at spinning and/or don't have many gigs.

[Rican]

but isn't that the case in any profession?

i mean....i definitely don't support the idea of being fake and kissing ass to get ahead....but walking on eggshells seems like it's just part of being in business. your boss might really irk you but you don't go out of your way to tell him that. it would be unprofessional. same deal with getting bookings. if you want to work with someone then there is a certain level of respect that you should show them....not bending over backwards to give them the reach around kind of respect....but definitely a level of professional respect.

just my $0.02.

Yeah but if your boss did that I'm pretty sure most people would start looking for a new job at some point... lol

[Cortex]

i agree with a lot of what you said.

here's an example i just used in an email.

take john c.

that dude is doing it right now. he's putting out tunes that are getting played by people that are big in his genre. but he's an afterthought (sorry john) when people think about the bigger locals in the area. why - cuz he doesnt play out all that often. why - cuz he doesnt kiss people's asses. people should be coming to him, not the other way around.

agree?

Sadly, it's because John isn't in the inner-circle of any big promoters in the area. That is it.

I don't think most people in this area even give a crap about talent. The focus is on the social aspect - most people's favorite locals are also people that they are good friends with. If you're not networking socially, you don't get gigs. Trust me on this, I got way less gigs once I stopped being a scenester for a few years, even though I was getting my tracks charted in DJ Mag and being signed to big labels and wide-release CD compilation mixes. People get excited about that when it happens to their friends, not to someone they don't know.

[daniella downs]

Sadly, it's because John isn't in the inner-circle of any big promoters in the area. That is it.

I don't think most people in this area even give a crap about talent. The focus is on the social aspect - most people's favorite locals are also people that they are good friends with. If you're not networking socially, you don't get gigs. Trust me on this, I got way less gigs once I stopped being a scenester for a few years, even though I was getting my tracks charted in DJ Mag and being signed to big labels and wide-release CD compilation mixes. People get excited about that when it happens to their friends, not to someone they don't know.

i completely agree, but i also think that we're all in the same big circle (albeit in smaller different ones).

ie: i think it should translate to more bookings for you. but it doesnt.

[john c]

also Dave, our styles are more geared for European circles, or bigger cities, and in bigger clubrooms, etc. Like, I don't care if I charted top 10 on Beatport, a Nysus or Daniella would be able to move a room with a Buzz crowd over my sets any day. Demographics come to play. DC's dance scene is very much fractured because its so small. The people who come to parties are VERY specific about their music taste. Look at the Prog section here on Buzz compared to Breaks.

[daniella downs]

btw, i'm on page 2. one more page until the obligatory tangent which changes the direction of the thread, and spurns on 4 more pages of arguments.

[Rican]

also Dave, our styles are more geared for European circles... Like, I don't care if I charted top 10 on Beatport, a Nysus would be able to move a room with a Buzz crowd over my sets any day. Demographics come to play.

So are you saying European crowds are smarter than dumb Buzz crowds?

[| Bass Drop |]

How many times have you witness a gig swap? I have seen it countless times over the years.

I book you, you book me.

Promoters that are also DJ's hold a hand full of trumps regarding their DJ'ing career.

[daniella downs]

How many times have you witness a gig swap? I have seen it countless times over the years.

I book you, you book me.

Promoters that are also DJ's hold a hand full of trumps regarding their DJ'ing career.

isnt that what the last throttle was? one giant gig swap?

agreed on your second point. and im not even saying there's anything wrong with gig swapping at all.

[john c]

So are you saying European crowds are smarter than dumb Buzz crowds?

umm no. I am saying the genres me and Dave tend to spin, are much more prevalent in other areas. And they don't work well in loungier, hip venues. More for big room clubbing type events. (Although lately its changing as I am spinning a lot of techno, but thats besides the point). Dave was booked in Brazil b4 it fell through solely on his releases. They eat that style up over there

I am good friends with a semi big dj who can't get shit for bookings in the US but is the best drawing dj at Pasha Argentina, spinning to 5000 people on the regular. Diff areas like different styles. I know another huge DJ whos one of the biggest stars in Asia yet fading quickly in the USA.
Another Q: would Dion be as popular if he only spun Mnml?

[daniella downs]

david hasslehoff?

[Jungle Jessi]

Yeah but if your boss did that I'm pretty sure most people would start looking for a new job at some point... lol

lol....well yeah if it gets to the point where it really bothers you. but i am sure that most everyone here has a boss that annoys them at least SOMETIMES. that is more the context that i was talking about.

like i said, i am not advocating kissing ass to get ahead. i think that you sell yourself short on so many levels when you do that. i mean...if you don't respect someone, then why would you want to be associated with them?

but i think that dave hit the nail on the head earlier, so i won't go reinterating his points.

[empath]

umm no. I am saying the genres me and Dave tend to spin, are much more prevalent in other areas. And they don't work well in loungier, hip venues. More for big room clubbing type events. I am good friends with a semi big dj who can't get shit for bookings in the US but is the best drawing dj at Pasha Argentina, spinning to 5000 people on the regular. Diff areas like different styles. I know another huge DJ whos one of the biggest stars in Asia yet fading quickly in the USA.
Another Q: would Dion be as popular if he only spun Mnml?

Dion would be pretty much as popular no matter what he plays, because of his personality.

[john c]

so you're saying his success is entirely based on his personality and not his DJ skills?

[Rican]

umm no.

psst, John... this doesn't work very well if you say no... I ask something controversial and then you say yes and go on a tirade about it... get with the program :)

[| Bass Drop |]

isnt that what the last throttle was? one giant gig swap?

agreed on your second point. and im not even saying there's anything wrong with gig swapping at all.

I dunno, was it? lol

Point being, if you have decent skills and a bankroll and wanna get booked...

Throw a few parties! * lightbulb *

[Rican]

How many times have you witness a gig swap? I have seen it countless times over the years.

I book you, you book me.

Promoters that are also DJ's hold a hand full of trumps regarding their DJ'ing career.

unfortunately way too often...

[Rico Suave]

but isn't that the case in any profession?

i mean....i definitely don't support the idea of being fake and kissing ass to get ahead....but walking on eggshells seems like it's just part of being in business. your boss might really irk you but you don't go out of your way to tell him that. it would be unprofessional. same deal with getting bookings. if you want to work with someone then there is a certain level of respect that you should show them....not bending over backwards to give them the reach around kind of respect....but definitely a level of professional respect.

just my $0.02.

I agree... a lot of people lose sight of the fact that this IS a business. Sure, you're making friends. And, you totally picked that guy up and took him to the club once. You're a shit dj...but you took that cat to the club and smoked a joint with him...he should owe you something...like a booking :-)

Unfortunately unicorns don't actually fart rainbows.

This IS a business....a pretty cut throat one at that.

[daniella downs]

Dion would be pretty much as popular no matter what he plays, because of his personality.

i disagree very much, tbh.

[empath]

He'd have different people going to his gigs, but whatever he got into, i can almost guarantee he'd find an audience.

[john c]

david hasslehoff?

you win the the thread L O L


He'd have different people going to his gigs, but whatever he got into, i can almost guarantee he'd find an audience.

what different people? This is a small scene. and yeah, I disagree. I think the music he plays has to be a factor. At least I fucking hope it is.

[| Bass Drop |]

Ian and his controversial Friday thread starting!!!

*in till 4:30pm*

[empath]

you win the the thread L O L



what different people? This is a small scene
the people that go to muse are not the same people that go to transit. The scene is bigger than you think. There's just lots of small scenes.

[john c]

right but you are making the assumption that the MNMLIfe crowd would go to Dion's shows based on his personality alone.

[Broken Home]

http://www.memeticians.com/2008/01/26/pulp10807sk.jpg

Personality goes a long way.

I've gotten more than a few gigs from promoters that never heard me play, because I am awesome. (This is a true fact)

[daniella downs]

He'd have different people going to his gigs, but whatever he got into, i can almost guarantee he'd find an audience.

i dont argue that he could find an audience. he's very creative, and that goes a long way. but it's because of his personality that he might find it more difficult in an area where he didnt have as many freinds.

take it from me, that does indeed happen.



Ian and his controversial Friday thread starting!!!

*in till 4:30pm*

yeah seriously, im subscribing to my own thread till 5pm, and then im done. i gotta keep my friday entertaining some how.

[john c]

this is def the most entertaining thread in a while on here
my workday is flying woot

[daniella downs]

mine is too.


YOU'RE WELCOME.

im just sayin.

you're welcome.

[john c]

you're welcome. happy? :D














ok ok. thank you for starting this precious thread Ian

[daniella downs]

also - since i've created such an entertaining thread, i'd like to plug our newest release in the hopes that i'll get more than the 18 views on the other thread. my thread, i can promote in it if i damn well choose.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/brokenbeatnik/DF16_banner.jpg] (https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/release/detail/171431/You%20Are%20Right%09%09%099)

Fisso & Spark - You Are Right (w/ Remixes by Andrea Lai, Eshericks, LuQas, Wasabi, & Hyx) [DF16]
OUT NOW :: at Beatport (https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/release/detail/171431/You%20Are%20Right%09%09%09) & Addictech (http://www.addictech.com/store/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=fisso&atech_id=bebff05aec197f764287243971770497&use_keywords=true)

Having alerted the masses to our return with the well received White Line / Robots, Dead Famous is now getting down to the business of maximum techfunk destruction. This installment sees the first release on Dead Famous for the new to the game Italian duo, Fisso & Spark - in the form of the all out techno assualt "You Are Right" . Taking influences from a wide variety of places, Fisso & Spark craft a raw number that is reminiscent of older Chemical Brothers in the way it brings out the emotions that dirty warehouse rave techno should. This is not for the faint of heart, and should be played very loud.

First up on duties is recent superstar of the universe, Andrea Lai. Melding nuskool breaks, techno, and dubstep, This remix is a complete aural twist on what you think you know reality to be - Much like a musical translation of a Clockwork Orange. While not overt, the energy levels on this remix are outstanding, and it shows why Andrea is one of the most in-demand producers about right now. Next up we have Wasabi. The Erase Records front man has delivered something that holds a special place in the hearts of the Dead Famous camp. Taking the bang of the original, Wasabi has crafted a tech house mix that hits the spot just perfectly. Brighton's LuQas sent us over his remix, and the moment we heard it, we jumped and signed him immediately. Crossing the vibes of producers like Break the Box, and Introspective, LuQas is making quite a name for himself in the breaks community as of late. This remix is definitely something for the 3am out of your mind sessions.

Washington DC's own Hyx gives us something new to Dead Famous. Taking the DF vibe, and mangling it into Drum and Bass, Hyx shows on this remix why his tunes are regularly found in the bags of well known dnb dj's such as Ed Rush and Robot Death Squad. Lastly, but surely not least, En:Vision's recent signing, Eshericks, does exactly what he's known for - Peak as they come techy breaks with a hint of progressive. This remix is LARGE, and definitely not one to be missed. Expect to hear this remix blasting from speakers this Summer.

General Midi "Eshericks for me- if you ain't dancing you're dead"

Si Begg "Andrea Lai mix....*booooooom*"

Robot Death Squad "The Hyx mix is pretty massive sounding, those atmos. are great"

Cut la Roc "Full support on this, Eshericks remix for sets but all remixes are nice, good work :D"

Robosapiens "Absolutely love the original. Definitely will rock dancefloors"

Kickflip "Andrea Lai's remix is firing! Broken up but held together well, plenty of variation with a fresh sound. Eshericks mix is a massive big room thumper loaded with energy, and LuQas' tech-funk rejiggle ticks all the right boxes

Attack Release "Wasabi mix is exactly the kind of stuff i've been feeling recently."

Vital Substance "All about the LuQas mix for me...absolute banger!! Loving those sneaky little glitchy edits on the break! Quality"

Krone "I love the progressive intro nice vibes on the Hyx mix. The drums are sweet!"

Lee / Dusted Breaks" Great Package there dude! It's all about the eshericks mix for me. Pure broken disco Filth!!!"

Kraymon "Andrea Lai one is my favourite of these."

Hexadecimal "I think the Eshericks mix and LuQas mix are my favourite tracks from the package, probably more likely to play the Eshericks mix, seems to tick all the boxes"

EK "Digging the Eshericks remix. very nice work!"

Steve Maccabe "Really like the Eshericks & Luqas remixes! Great package all round."


Watch this space next month for the long awaited release of Break the Box's "Rock the Mic", with a host of remixes.

Keep it Evil.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/brokenbeatnik/deadfamouslogosmaller.jpg (http://www.myspace.com/deadfamousrecordings)

[dj nysus]

so you're saying his success is entirely based on his personality and not his DJ skills?

Ill do you one better .. Not even on personality .. Ask any promoter that has booked me .. I dont just kiss ass .. I GIVE OUT BROJOBS

[robhyx]

: haha : GENIUS @ IAN

[konversion]

SPAM!!!

[InkChic78]

heh, bend over =x


haha!

[daniella downs]

Ill do you one better .. Not even on personality .. Ask any promoter that has booked me .. I dont just kiss ass .. I GIVE OUT BROJOBS

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL @ BROJOBS.

that is really the winner post of this entire thread.

[daniella downs]

SPAM!!!

go listen to the drum and bass mix. it's not liquidy, but it's good i reckon.

and i createth, i promoteth as well.

[Rican]

also - since i've created such an entertaining thread, i'd like to plug our newest release in the hopes that i'll get more than the 18 views on the other thread. my thread, i can promote in it if i damn well choose.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/brokenbeatnik/DF16_banner.jpg] (https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/release/detail/171431/You%20Are%20Right%09%09%099)

Fisso & Spark - You Are Right (w/ Remixes by Andrea Lai, Eshericks, LuQas, Wasabi, & Hyx) [DF16]
OUT NOW :: at Beatport (https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/release/detail/171431/You%20Are%20Right%09%09%09) & Addictech (http://www.addictech.com/store/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=fisso&atech_id=bebff05aec197f764287243971770497&use_keywords=true)

Having alerted the masses to our return with the well received White Line / Robots, Dead Famous is now getting down to the business of maximum techfunk destruction. This installment sees the first release on Dead Famous for the new to the game Italian duo, Fisso & Spark - in the form of the all out techno assualt "You Are Right" . Taking influences from a wide variety of places, Fisso & Spark craft a raw number that is reminiscent of older Chemical Brothers in the way it brings out the emotions that dirty warehouse rave techno should. This is not for the faint of heart, and should be played very loud.

First up on duties is recent superstar of the universe, Andrea Lai. Melding nuskool breaks, techno, and dubstep, This remix is a complete aural twist on what you think you know reality to be - Much like a musical translation of a Clockwork Orange. While not overt, the energy levels on this remix are outstanding, and it shows why Andrea is one of the most in-demand producers about right now. Next up we have Wasabi. The Erase Records front man has delivered something that holds a special place in the hearts of the Dead Famous camp. Taking the bang of the original, Wasabi has crafted a tech house mix that hits the spot just perfectly. Brighton's LuQas sent us over his remix, and the moment we heard it, we jumped and signed him immediately. Crossing the vibes of producers like Break the Box, and Introspective, LuQas is making quite a name for himself in the breaks community as of late. This remix is definitely something for the 3am out of your mind sessions.

Washington DC's own Hyx gives us something new to Dead Famous. Taking the DF vibe, and mangling it into Drum and Bass, Hyx shows on this remix why his tunes are regularly found in the bags of well known dnb dj's such as Ed Rush and Robot Death Squad. Lastly, but surely not least, En:Vision's recent signing, Eshericks, does exactly what he's known for - Peak as they come techy breaks with a hint of progressive. This remix is LARGE, and definitely not one to be missed. Expect to hear this remix blasting from speakers this Summer.

General Midi "Eshericks for me- if you ain't dancing you're dead"

Si Begg "Andrea Lai mix....*booooooom*"

Robot Death Squad "The Hyx mix is pretty massive sounding, those atmos. are great"

Cut la Roc "Full support on this, Eshericks remix for sets but all remixes are nice, good work :D"

Robosapiens "Absolutely love the original. Definitely will rock dancefloors"

Kickflip "Andrea Lai's remix is firing! Broken up but held together well, plenty of variation with a fresh sound. Eshericks mix is a massive big room thumper loaded with energy, and LuQas' tech-funk rejiggle ticks all the right boxes

Attack Release "Wasabi mix is exactly the kind of stuff i've been feeling recently."

Vital Substance "All about the LuQas mix for me...absolute banger!! Loving those sneaky little glitchy edits on the break! Quality"

Krone "I love the progressive intro nice vibes on the Hyx mix. The drums are sweet!"

Lee / Dusted Breaks" Great Package there dude! It's all about the eshericks mix for me. Pure broken disco Filth!!!"

Kraymon "Andrea Lai one is my favourite of these."

Hexadecimal "I think the Eshericks mix and LuQas mix are my favourite tracks from the package, probably more likely to play the Eshericks mix, seems to tick all the boxes"

EK "Digging the Eshericks remix. very nice work!"

Steve Maccabe "Really like the Eshericks & Luqas remixes! Great package all round."


Watch this space next month for the long awaited release of Break the Box's "Rock the Mic", with a host of remixes.

Keep it Evil.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/brokenbeatnik/deadfamouslogosmaller.jpg (http://www.myspace.com/deadfamousrecordings)


and now we get to the true motivation of the thread... stir up some controversy to sell your goods...

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[lupitanahsee]

CONTRADICTED.

that was the word.






sorry.

lol stop smoking at work dood

[daniella downs]

you're my cabana boy, you should be the one doing this, btw.

i needed the thread to be heftily going before i could do that, lol.

[daniella downs]

lol stop smoking at work dood

i so wish i could.

[Cortex]

so you're saying his success is entirely based on his personality and not his DJ skills?

Locally, personality and social skills are probably 90% of what contributes to bookings.

To the rest of the world, they don't really get to know you as a person, so the music is far more of a factor. (although, social appeal can still come from interesting blog postings, etc)

[john c]

Ill do you one better .. Not even on personality .. Ask any promoter that has booked me .. I dont just kiss ass .. I GIVE OUT BROJOBS

see. this kind of humor is why you get booked [according to empath]

[Rican]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL @ BROJOBS.

that is really the winner post of this entire thread.

i tend to concur.

[dj nysus]

once people get to know you I think personality can "make" or "break" you .. but I always used to get gigs before I "knew" anyone at all ... HUNDREDS OF DEMOS .. tapes tapes tapes

Dave knows what I am talking about .. We have exchanged tapes a couple times back in 98/99 ..

[Cortex]

i completely agree, but i also think that we're all in the same big circle (albeit in smaller different ones).

ie: i think it should translate to more bookings for you. but it doesnt.

I meant social circle more as the group of people you see every weekend, and probably even hang out with each other outside of clubs on a regular basis. The direct social circle of any promoter usually gets the bulk of the bookings.

[john c]

i needed the thread to be heftily going before i could do that, lol.

genius. for my next release, I will start a thread with "FUCK U 3-D PRODUCTIONS"

[dj nysus]

i tend to concur.

LMAO you sound like a magic 8Ball

[john c]

I meant social circle more as the group of people you see every weekend, and probably even hang out with each other outside of clubs on a regular basis. The direct social circle of any promoter usually gets the bulk of the bookings.

so then, time to go eat Gyros with Pete Moutso. It will boost our careers

[daniella downs]

genius. for my next release, I will start a thread with "FUCK U 3-D PRODUCTIONS"

you should

now you saw my promo spam, and you might not have clicked on the thread i actually started.

creative marketing that doubles as a day filling blast of entertainment wins really.

[john c]

i would click anyway cept Beatport is now blocked here sometimes. Depends on the day. Have to demo songs at home :(

[Rican]

LMAO you sound like a magic 8Ball

My sources say no

[mojojones]

Sadly, it's because John isn't in the inner-circle of any big promoters in the area. That is it.

I don't think most people in this area even give a crap about talent. The focus is on the social aspect - most people's favorite locals are also people that they are good friends with. If you're not networking socially, you don't get gigs. Trust me on this, I got way less gigs once I stopped being a scenester for a few years, even though I was getting my tracks charted in DJ Mag and being signed to big labels and wide-release CD compilation mixes. People get excited about that when it happens to their friends, not to someone they don't know.

if i where you or John C i wouldn't worry about it in the slightest . . . because you're creating music that people all over the world feeling it, and even people here recognize that and have respect . . . i know personally its a lot harder thing to do is to create art (music) and have it be successfully . . . then just to be out in the clubs every night promoting and getting your friends to come to your parties

DC seems to favor in bookings moreso the promoter / DJ rather then the artist / DJ . . .
i think its because the scene is so small . . .

my .02

[dj nysus]

alright boys ...

have fun with your circle jerk ummm I mean circular convo

gonna go play some video games !!!

[konversion]

go listen to the drum and bass mix. it's not liquidy, but it's good i reckon.

and i createth, i promoteth as well.

i'm just bustin' your chops. i do the same when i can... although i haven't written shit in months. i need to get back on that.

which mix? and just because i prefer liquid over most others doesn't mean i don't like most others :)

[MURAMASA]

Maybe, but I did book people who presented themselves in a professional and positive manner, with zero ass-kissing. I've also refrained from booking a lot of people who totally kissed my ass, but also displayed a negative attitude and complete lack of professionalism.

Here's an example:

"I'm really impressed by the parties you throw. I'm a DJ, and I would love for an opportunity to play at your events. Here's a list of my accomplishments and what I could bring to the table..."

vs.

"I THINK YOU THROW THE BEST PARTIES EVAR! ALL THE OTHER PROMOTERS OUT THERE SUCK REALLY HARD, BUT YOU ARE AWESOME! PLEASE LET ME PLAY AT YOUR PARTIES, I WOULD DO A MUCH BETTER JOB THAN SO-AND-SO DJ THAT YOU BOOKED FOR YOUR LAST PARTY!"


I've never gotten an email like that last one. Usually it's the first one, with a mention of how long they've been playing and who they've opened for, and then why they feel like they deserve the gig. I'm not sure why, because there are DJs out there that:

- Have been playing for 10 years (always practicing, playing big gigs, researching new equipment and tracks, spending their time networking, etc)

- Have been 'playing' for '10 years' (Never practice, play 5 gigs a year at bars, have no personality or ability to work with other people, never pick up new tracks, download most of their tunes via P2P, and are as dumb as a bag of rocks)

...and it's usually evident just by looking at the tracklisting on their latest demo.

[john c]

alright boys ...

have fun with your circle jerk ummm I mean circular convo

gonna go play some video games !!!

COUSIN! Vant tu goh shoot pool?

[Rican]

have fun with your circle jerk ummm I mean circular convo


both go round and round until everyone runs out of juice...

[daniella downs]

i'm just bustin' your chops. i do the same when i can... although i haven't written shit in months. i need to get back on that.

which mix? and just because i prefer liquid over most others doesn't mean i don't like most others :)

the hyx one.

god damn i am a good label manager.

[MURAMASA]

both go round and round until everyone runs out of juice...

Loser eats the cupcake?

[konversion]

Loser eats the cupcake?

gross

[daniella downs]

ahhh charly, i eagerly await the time when you are my roomate. im going to piss on you so many times while you sleep.

[Rican]

- Have been 'playing' for '10 years' (Never practice, play 5 gigs a year at bars, have no personality or ability to work with other people, never pick up new tracks, download most of their tunes via P2P, and are as dumb as a bag of rocks)


LOL

I had one guy actually tell me that he downloads all of his tracks illegally... i just gave him a look and walked away...

[konversion]

the hyx one.

god damn i am a good label manager.

yeah, i need to download that. i always see it at work but the speaker (just one and it's IN the computer) sucks ass but i am seldom on my computer at home because i work on one AND my computer likes to randomly shut off. that'll get fixed soon so i'll be able to give it a listen.

[MURAMASA]

ahhh charly, i eagerly await the time when you are my roomate. im going to piss on you so many times while you sleep.

So help me, if you ever do something like that, I will clean my ass hairs with your toothbrush, and then I'll fucking kill you.

[daniella downs]

LOL.

lock your door at night.

[Cortex]

I've never gotten an email like that last one.

Well that was a bit of exaggeration to force the point. And a lot of those interactions happened in person. But I'm sure you know what I'm talking about with regards to professionalism.

[Cortex]

so then, time to go eat Gyros with Pete Moutso. It will boost our careers

LMAO! I love gyros :-)

[Cortex]

if i where you or John C i wouldn't worry about it in the slightest . . . because you're creating music that people all over the world feeling it, and even people here recognize that and have respect . . . i know personally its a lot harder thing to do is to create art (music) and have it be successfully . . . then just to be out in the clubs every night promoting and getting your friends to come to your parties

DC seems to favor in bookings moreso the promoter / DJ rather then the artist / DJ . . .
i think its because the scene is so small . . .

my .02

Thanks bro. I could say the same about you!

And yes, I got waaaaay more bookings back when I was a promoter vs. an established artist.

[empath]

So, in conclusion, all of us agree that we're all awesome.

[konversion]

sure, i'll go with that :)

[daniella downs]

ok this is where someone says something that spurns an argument and keeps me entertained till 5pm.

and GO.

[zarbizarre]

LOL.

lock your door at night.


<img src="http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/11/char.jpg">

[GiveMeFunkyBeats]

So, in conclusion, all of us agree that we're all awesome.

im gonna go ahead and state that you all suck.

[empath]

shut up, whore.

[daniella downs]

<img src="http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/11/char.jpg">

OMG THAT IS AWESOME.

[| Bass Drop |]

It should say I'M RAPING CHARLY !!!

[john c]

no. cause its a parody of the "you gone get raped" meme

[MURAMASA]

Well that was a bit of exaggeration to force the point. And a lot of those interactions happened in person. But I'm sure you know what I'm talking about with regards to professionalism.

Absolutely. It was more a statement of surprise/disappointment (lol) because I'm sure we can all picture a few DJs we've met that seem capable of that kind of asshattery.

Y'know, like Amitai. ;)

[daniella downs]

exactly like amitai.

uh oh. what's that?

i think it's time for a graph!

hold please.

[MURAMASA]

<img src="http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/11/char.jpg">

We barely know each other, and you can spell my name correctly. Bravo sir.

[djoctane]

Let's not open the can of worms about P2P buti guess i will.

I have some promos coming to me but damn i wish i had a ton more.

I Download P2P which sometimes is not sold yet here but in Europe it's been out which is in my own interest to do as well as listen to unknown songs/artists that aren't on music websites that i can easily delete after hearing them if it sucks. Oh... and it's free.

Also i respect local/nat'l/int'l artists and buy a nice wav while im surfing different music sites to get it quickly and is quality efficient (eventhough i've bought shitty sounding 320's online).

[Broken Home]

exactly like amitai.

uh oh. what's that?

i think it's time for a graph!

hold please.

http://i44.tinypic.com/11ki5jo.jpg

[john c]

lol. thats even funnier given we spun back to back not too long ago. JEW

[Broken Home]

lol. thats even funnier given we spun back to back not too long ago. JEW

haha respect. tell lee to put you on the lineup for 7/15 we can do an all-prodigy megamix.

also I wasn't paying attention to your set, was too busy buying ramiro drinks.

[john c]

haha respect. tell lee to put you on the lineup for 7/15 we can do an all-prodigy megamix.

also I wasn't paying attention to your set, was too busy buying ramiro drinks.

codeword for: your set was meh
no worries hehehe

[MURAMASA]

http://i44.tinypic.com/11ki5jo.jpg

This would actually be a really fun lineup for an event.

p.s. Suck like a fox

[daniella downs]

http://i44.tinypic.com/11ki5jo.jpg

lololol!!!!!

[zarbizarre]

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[Broken Home]

codeword for: your set was meh
no worries hehehe

Actually, "nice track selection" is codeword for "your set was meh"

:)

[zarbizarre]

Actually, "nice track selection" is codeword for "your set was meh"

:)



mickey nightrain always has a nice track selection

[decoy]

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/54000/Matt-Damon-54447.jpg

[empath]

I don't understand why all the DJs in this thread can't get a club night going together.

[decoy]

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oooooohhhhhhh, girugamesh. I get it now.

[decoy]

ok, so 30 seconds into a youtube girugamesh and I can say without a doubt that shit SUCKS.

[elad]

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[RAMIRO]

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at first glance .. i thought that was a younger Andrew Flint.. lolol

[housecat]

bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaaaa. I did too.

Also, on the "nice track selection"= meh.... it is true!

Dammit. I was hoping I was the only one that did that.

[stormryder]

LOL at this thread.

I'd say around here 75% of my gigs have been because a friend thought of me (networking, personal skills, hearing me before, knowing my music), 15% have been through just hearing me before or someone randomly handing my CD to them and the last 10% because I threw the damn party.

The concept of me kissing someone's ass for a gig is so foreign that it boggles my mind. I can't say as that I've ever had that much "drive" to want to play a specific event or party.

Plus, quality, not quantity is more my motto. I'd rather play a couple key times than try to be out every weekend.

A lot of this however, has to do with what part of my life I've allocated DJing too vs. my other pursuits.

[DJKean]

been burned too many times busting ass promoting and such to get a weak timeslot or endure crappy conditions after driving hours to get there...

There are some great promoters out there that deserve some ass kissing cause they are constant professionals and its always a pleasure to play for them like the Give boys, Stryda and crew, the guys and gals of Transgression Sessions up in PA, and some others. So yeah i'll always big up their events cause I beleive in what they ae doing and if I lived closer I would be attending them on a regular basis.


But just to do so for a booking is no longer in my interests and prob why I haven't played in my own town of Richmond since last year
...


this.

[Rican]

LOL at this thread.

Yes, this thread has provided some serious lulz...

[daniella downs]

and some sales!

[smootsmack]

you caught me, i'm really just thinking out loud here.

I do agree that ideally you book talented residents and give them room to grow, but you have to mix it up with name DJs, and just people who have a lot of friends that will show up to support. I'm just saying, there's a place for people who ass-kiss to get gigs despite a lack of talent -- i guess it depends on the motivation. If they support the vision of the party, and aren't just doing it for ego, then they contribute to the overall vibe, even if they aren't technically as good as a lot of talented locals are that don't support the party. Growing talent can be better than importing talent.

Like, for me, I ass-kissed at Buzz because I believed in Buzz like the Pope believes in Jesus. I made some half-assed attempts to ass-kiss with Glow because i really just wanted to play there, but I didn't really respect the party (and still don't).


Maybe Glow thinks you have no talent?

[Abduction]

I don't understand why all the DJs in this thread can't get a club night going together.

$$$ among other things...

Ian's got it sort of correct, the question should be would you kiss ass to the establishment that is allowing you to host your party?

Most people answer "no" and hence why their parties fail.

I decided a long time ago (10 years ago) that I was never going to be serious (career) in this scene/business because of so many bad variables. One of them being that you're either sucking the guy's dick or stabbing him in the back...that line is pretty thin now-a-days.

[john c]

Lee: what is your email? I totally forgot to shoot you one that last time we talked

[Abduction]

leeberdick at gmail dot com

Rami and I have been working on a night that includes you, we're just trying to get all the times and specifics locked down.

[maynard]

sad that 1 an 2 are above 3 here, but in this economy i spose it's the case where people would rather have shit that aint so good sometimes over the latter.

and that's not me saying that anyone sucks, moreso just commenting on jon's point.

You also have schmucks like me who can't tell the difference between a very good DJ and a great DJ (from a technical perspective) because they've hardly ever touched a turntable and are relatively ignorant on some of the nuances that differentiate the two. If DJ A has a better "sound" than DJ B but is less talented, then non-DJs like myself who don't notice the little things are going to prefer them. And this is the majority of people who attend any given party. Money talks son!

I know I'm way late to the party, but at least I'm not trying to make a point related to the original topic lol.

[spiggums]

goddammit why didn't I see this thread on Friday so I could have properly contributed?

[daniella downs]

goddammit why didn't I see this thread on Friday so I could have properly contributed?


you can still feel free to leave a douchey remark. in fact, i encourage it.

[empath]

Maybe Glow thinks you have no talent?
Maybe your mom thinks I do.

[BrianArsenault]

Everywhere that I've wanted to play I did it without kissing anyone's ass. No promoter(or person) is worth doing that for. Unless you got a woman as fly as mine. Thats another topic though. ANYWAYS, yeah if you can't get a spot at that promoters' party no worries, I'm sure you have better things to do.

basically. i mean the person who's ass needs kissing probably isn't someone who was going to book you anyway - or am i wrong(?).

someone who's ass doesn't need kissing and actually wanted you to play their party would likely be approaching you.

[daniella downs]

jon, that is not the proper way to kiss his ass.

[spiggums]

you can still feel free to leave a douchey remark. in fact, i encourage it.

lol... I mean... at best I'll not call someone out for being a douchebag... but in general, my opinions on individual promoters/DJs is pretty well known... but there would have been more fun saying that earlier in the thread in a much douchier way...

I also don't get booked much anymore... these things may be related... or it may just be that I haven't cared as much in the last year or so... not that I don't enjoy gigging out... it's just the hassle of tracking people down to book me isn't really something I enjoy/am necessarily good at (see above re: inability to keep my opinions to myself)...

[spiggums]

I SPEAK IN CIRCULAR LOGIC..

er um hi!

[Killary]

This thread needs more lolcats.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/funny-pictures-fake-fish-was-taunting-cat.jpg

[DJ ZeroAlpha]

lol @ ass kissing

[ardkorejunglis]

If someone is doing a good job I'll let them know. However, I would never kiss ass for a gig and I hate it when a dj tries to kiss my ass for a booking--ain't gonna happen. Bookings for me are based on talent period.

[john c]

would you allow ass kissing if it involved a hot chick promoter though?

[spiggums]

would you allow ass kissing if it involved a hot chick promoter though?

:siihp: ???

[DJKean]

would you allow ass kissing if it involved a hot chick promoter though?

if shes hot, ill kiss her ass. ;)

[Rican]

would you allow ass kissing if it involved a hot chick promoter though?

Dude, you know the hot chick card trumps all in the EDM business...

[2rip]

Hey all. I will try to read the full thread eventually but wanted to add my thoughts from a promoters standpoint that is also a dj and can see both sides.

As a dj, asskissing often comes off as asskissing. As a promoter you cannot take me out to eat every day of the week and give me handjobs when I wake up in order for me to feel OBLIGED to give you a gig. And I think I speak on behalf of 90% of promoters.

From a selling perspective... there are ways to sell yourself to a promoter. Often times that takes persistence. But persistence does not equal the following:

- bugging the shit out of the promoter
- thinking you are better than everyone else (there's a difference between this and knowing what you are worth. those who are "above" certain gigs simply shouldn't request to play those type of events... and vice versa)
- never showing support but expecting gigs anyway

Things that help in selling:

- being marketable in the first place.
- having an established following/demand. this can vary. i happen to throw parties in venues where certain people are hesitant to go to. this means that either the dj asking for a spot needs to be able to be interesting to the people that are regulars or be interesting to the people willing to go... or have a demand which commands a following. otherwise, what's the point? i like to be a risk taker and introduce people to knew music and dj's who push the limits so there are times where there are certain exceptions. but thinking that you are pushing the limits is really only up to judgment in the eye of the beholder which is either the fans (who should be talking about how awesome you are, preferably in person and not under a troll account on a messageboard) or the person paying you to do the job.
- being present at events. there are some people who i never thought i'd hire for gigs because they were noobs or because they didn't have an immediate following. they networked long and hard enough and made sure i knew what tracks they were playing every month and gave me new cd's to listen to all the time. and they hung around enough that i was aware that they knew how to work my crowds. if they were shit dj's i wouldn't have offered but they were decent and proved themselves along the way. that equals a booking or a chance to me.

Hope that adds to the convo!

[john c]

you mean they kissed enough ass?

[daniella downs]

pretty much john.

also - i've already promoted in this thread. there's no need to bump it till the 17th, when i have my next release.