1/12 @ SONAR - DJ CRAZE & more TBA

[Marisol]

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In the Club:
DJ CRAZE
more TBA
8pm - all ages - $10

[cyberpillz]

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[Dank325]

so does craze spin hophop sets and/or dnb sets or does he just spin craze sets (does that make any sense).

Ive went out and seen at him some events where he plays like 80% hiphop with some dnb dropped in and seen him other times where its just the opposite. Does he just play whatever he/crowd is feeling or is he booked to spin specifically one style?

[| Bass Drop |]

I think it is by the booking with some improv mid-set.

[CausedConfusion]

Roc raida had said the week prior that he was not going to be showing up to this event but we talked to him a few days prior to the event and urged him to show up.

[CausedConfusion]

pedx, steez promo, and deuce are also not involved in this

[Marisol]

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[Wicked Sway]

so does craze spin hophop sets and/or dnb sets or does he just spin craze sets (does that make any sense).

Ive went out and seen at him some events where he plays like 80% hiphop with some dnb dropped in and seen him other times where its just the opposite. Does he just play whatever he/crowd is feeling or is he booked to spin specifically one style?


Who cares. IMO. His sets are complete wank. His DNB selection is less to be desired. He can scratch and thats entertaining for like 2 minutes. If this is what we get when Steez and Evan leave then this Club is gonna be a sad state of affairs...

[| Bass Drop |]

I like Craze. His track selection (albeit mainstream) is nasty and he incorporates some turntablism that is top knotch. Craze had the DnB tent going the fuck off last year @ Starscape.

Opinions vary.

[Marisol]

I like Craze. His track selection (albeit mainstream) is nasty and he incorporates some turntablism that is top knotch. Craze had the DnB tent going the fuck off last year @ Starscape.

Opinions vary.


yes he did!!!!

HAPPY HUMP DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3 more days :-)

[Taishou]

Who cares. IMO. His sets are complete wank. His DNB selection is less to be desired. He can scratch and thats entertaining for like 2 minutes. If this is what we get when Steez and Evan leave then this Club is gonna be a sad state of affairs...


Everyone's got different tastes, I absolutely love Craze and have thoroughly enjoyed every show of his I've been to, never been dissapointed... And you're talking about a 3 time world DMC champ (and then some) being entertaining for 2 min? That's just crazy talk right there...

[Marisol]

:cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:

[Mark85]

I think it is by the booking with some improv mid-set.

so the question is what did sonar book him for?

and which locals are opening?

[CausedConfusion]

sonar didn't book him, we did but they kept the show.

[Beliz]

any chance of dnb?

[CausedConfusion]

any chance of dnb?
who knows

[nOdoze]

he prob gonna be playn alotta of florida steez....like bass, freestyle and bass and hip hop of course....sticking with his roots which is dope....sucks about raida tho its all good i guess....

[bboyneko]

wait wait..the sonar web site lists roc raida as playing?? hes not?? shouldnt they change this??

[Dustin]

lol wut is goin on with this event?

[Maffew]

$10 ey?

[CausedConfusion]

wait wait..the sonar web site lists roc raida as playing?? hes not?? shouldnt they change this??

i dunno, but I do know raida is gonna play the lupe fiasco show

[Marisol]

i dunno, but I do know raida is gonna play the lupe fiasco show

which is when and where?

[Wicked Sway]

Everyone's got different tastes, I absolutely love Craze and have thoroughly enjoyed every show of his I've been to, never been dissapointed... And you're talking about a 3 time world DMC champ (and then some) being entertaining for 2 min? That's just crazy talk right there...


Meh all that scratching is less to be desired for me. I'm more into rolling beats then a full on ego assult. I aint saying he doesnt have skillz, I am saying his 'DNB' beat selections are whack. For about 2 minutes I enjoy Craze and then walk away guffed at the level of commercialism. Obviously he pulls heads, as they relate to his hiphop and makes crowds intune with his DNB. But just because his Hiphop elements get the crowd into it doesnt mean his DNB is as good as his original rooted sound. IMO I enjoy his DMC style of play(for about 2 minutes), I hate his DNB.

[CausedConfusion]

which is when and where?

lupe is at sonar jan 27th. Its the steez promo farewell show

[sprklqueen]

wait wait..the sonar web site lists roc raida as playing?? hes not?? shouldnt they change this??

no need to I guess since he def played tonight :shrug:

big up Dan/Sonar for keeping things going during all the changes that are going on & for planning to keep dance music alive there. Look forward to many more great nights!

[CausedConfusion]

no need to I guess since he def played tonight :shrug:

big up Dan/Sonar for keeping things going during all the changes that are going on & for planning to keep dance music alive there. Look forward to many more great nights!

Yeah we talked to raida and told him to show up after some things got settled. I dunno how many more dance nights they will be having that aren't taxlo though.

[sprklqueen]

Hopefully many! :thumbsup:

It would be a shame to lose Sonar as a venue for dance music for it's size, sound system, vibe & history here & from what I heard last night, it's going to continue there. Maybe not as often & it may take awhile to sort out but I have hopes of it remaining a viable dance music venue as well as live acts.

I realize of course you guys aren't going to be involved in the shows there, but I think with the move you're making & bringing in new venues for dance music (although pre-existing.. new to EDM), there's plenty of room & talent to go around & just make Charm City an even better scene (if you will :wink:)

Perhaps it's the "Pollyanna" in me that thinks this way but here's hoping!

[Dustin]

Hopefully many! :thumbsup:

It would be a shame to lose Sonar as a venue for dance music for it's size, sound system, vibe & history here & from what I heard last night, it's going to continue there. Maybe not as often & it may take awhile to sort out but I have hopes of it remaining a viable dance music venue as well as live acts.

I realize of course you guys aren't going to be involved in the shows there, but I think with the move you're making & bringing in new venues for dance music (although pre-existing.. new to EDM), there's plenty of room & talent to go around & just make Charm City an even better scene (if you will :wink:)

Perhaps it's the "Pollyanna" in me that thinks this way but here's hoping!

qft :bow:

[CausedConfusion]

Hopefully many! :thumbsup:

It would be a shame to lose Sonar as a venue for dance music for it's size, sound system, vibe & history here & from what I heard last night, it's going to continue there. Maybe not as often & it may take awhile to sort out but I have hopes of it remaining a viable dance music venue as well as live acts.

I realize of course you guys aren't going to be involved in the shows there, but I think with the move you're making & bringing in new venues for dance music (although pre-existing.. new to EDM), there's plenty of room & talent to go around & just make Charm City an even better scene (if you will :wink:)

Perhaps it's the "Pollyanna" in me that thinks this way but here's hoping!

I guess theres plenty of artists available but I don't know how many of them make sense financially.

We've got our heavy hitters and we're going to continue to bring them to Baltimore and we've got our up and comers like Evol Intent, Krafty Kuts, and others that we will continue to bring too. I guess only time will tell.

[sprklqueen]

I guess theres plenty of artists available but I don't know how many of them make sense financially.


Ha! If we could all figure that one out we'd all be making the big bucks! :wink:



We've got our heavy hitters and we're going to continue to bring them to Baltimore and we've got our up and comers like Evol Intent, Krafty Kuts, and others that we will continue to bring too. I guess only time will tell.

Good on & glad to hear! I'll just be keeping positive thoughts that everything will go well for everyone. :grouphug: :plurstick: and all that good stuff :D

[bboyneko]

yeah im pissed cus this thread stated Roc Raida was not playing this night anymore and based on that I didnt go to sonar, until friends called me and said he WAS playing so I only caught the last 20 minutes of his performance.

[CausedConfusion]

yeah im pissed cus this thread stated Roc Raida was not playing this night anymore and based on that I didnt go to sonar, until friends called me and said he WAS playing so I only caught the last 20 minutes of his performance.

Sorry about that. We were told he wasn't going to show up.

[CausedConfusion]

RAIDA IS GONNA PLAY THE LUPE FIASCO SHOW AND WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE HIM OUT AT MORE EVENTS SOON.

[proxxy]

RAIDA IS GONNA PLAY THE LUPE FIASCO SHOW AND WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE HIM OUT AT MORE EVENTS SOON.


Rock Raida = Unofficial Steez promo resident :mandaba:

[Wicked Sway]

Rock Raida = Unofficial Steez promo resident :mandaba:


Most def. What a retarded hand of cards Sonar has put into play. Scary to think whats gonna happen to that place without Steez handling the EDM. Big ups Steve & Evan, keep it moving forward lads.

[Wicked Sway]

I have hopes of it remaining a viable dance music venue as well as live acts.


Its ok to hope. The fact is. You dont turn into a DNB promoter overnight. It takes years to figure out that type of promotion. Not many can gurn out the type of turnouts Steez did. You dont wake up one morning and say I am gonna be a EDM promoter, fuck over the professionals and then pin "PRO" on my chest. It doesnt work that way and is a clear cut path to disaster. In the state of mind that the local scene is in: Its a blessing to have top notch talent buyers for a venue. Its a shame most clubs dont get this. Regardless toss the hopes away and know that Steez is gonna continue to do their thing. Thats just how professionals roll, they make things happen - simple as that.

[Dustin]

Its ok to hope. The fact is. You dont turn into a DNB promoter overnight. It takes years to figure out that type of promotion. Not many can gurn out the type of turnouts Steez did. You dont wake up one morning and say I am gonna be a EDM promoter, fuck over the professionals and then pin "PRO" on my chest. It doesnt work that way and is a clear cut path to disaster. In the state of mind that the local scene is in: Its a blessing to have top notch talent buyers for a venue. Its a shame most clubs dont get this. Regardless toss the hopes away and know that Steez is gonna continue to do their thing. Thats just how professionals roll, they make things happen - simple as that.


Ok. So how do I become a successful club promoter?:freakout:

[sprklqueen]

Its ok to hope. The fact is. You dont turn into a DNB promoter overnight. It takes years to figure out that type of promotion. Not many can gurn out the type of turnouts Steez did. You dont wake up one morning and say I am gonna be a EDM promoter, fuck over the professionals and then pin "PRO" on my chest. It doesnt work that way and is a clear cut path to disaster. In the state of mind that the local scene is in: Its a blessing to have top notch talent buyers for a venue. Its a shame most clubs dont get this. Regardless toss the hopes away and know that Steez is gonna continue to do their thing. Thats just how professionals roll, they make things happen - simple as that.

I think I know all that & agree with ya but I appreciate your enlightening everyone else :wink:

I've known Steve & Evan for years & know what they're capable of, wish them the best & have offered any support to what they're doing BUT.... I also hope Sonar can remain, as I said, a viable venue for the dance community. It may mean they have to hire a new talent buyer, a new promotion staff, etc but as a venue.. it rocks, so I hope it can do well.

And as I also said, maybe it's the Pollyanna in me and maybe it's wishful/hopeful thinking... but either way :shrug: that's how I roll :plurstick:

[CausedConfusion]

It may mean they have to hire a new talent buyer, a new promotion staff, etc but as a venue.. i

HAHAHAHAA
I cant go on the record with what I know but re assured if you knew what I did you'd be laughing too

[Wicked Sway]

Ok. So how do I become a successful club promoter?:freakout:


Start by throwing a party and then I'll talk you thru it from there.

[CausedConfusion]

Start by throwing a party and then I'll talk you thru it from there.

Start with a small fortune, lose it on a few events. Then repeat steps 1 and 2 atleast 2 more times. Then figure out what you did wrong, and start making money.

[Marisol]

yeah im pissed cus this thread stated Roc Raida was not playing this night anymore and based on that I didnt go to sonar, until friends called me and said he WAS playing so I only caught the last 20 minutes of his performance.


thats your own fucking fault! Craze is the shit! and you should have been their regardless!!!!!


as for the promoters, love you guys!!!!!!!!! and thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

[Steez Promo]

Honestly this is just funny. At the end of the day the top notch talent That ultraworld and Steez Promo books knows me personally and are not willing to work with anyone else but maybe LG.

Most of the dj's we book have become personal friends / associates and we book them most of the time over the phone and then through their respective agents.

If you think anyone is going to step in and bring the level of events such as any of the 100's of UW events we threw at the venue as well as Drinko De mayo. POTD. Turn Back The Clock and so fourth then you have another think coming.

POTD is happening in baltimore and we are booking it
Turn Back the clock is already tentatively confirmed at a new 2 room venue.
We have also been offered serious DNB events but because of the fact that we are still in between decisions on where to place the edm we have not been able to confirm these events.

These events that we dont book are not then turned over to Sonar. Someone at the venue would need the knowledge and know how to bring them there and then they would have to fight my history and my relationships to get them away from me.

Thats pretty much how its going to work.

[dj intreeg]

Midnight Sun blog for the Baltimore Sun web page, doesn't inspire a lot of faith that those in control @ Sonar now are seasoned vets like the Steez Promo crew.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/midnight_sun/blog/2008/01/changes_at_sonar.html

[CausedConfusion]

Sonar on East Saratoga Street is in the middle of some pretty big changes.

Previous owner Lonnie Fisher left the warehouse club last June to become a project manager for a real estate developer.

Dan McIntosh, who opened the Talking Head Club, took over Sonar.

Things stayed pretty much the same until recently, when McIntosh parted ways with Steez Promo, one of the club's key promoters.

McIntosh said he wants to take matters into his own hands.

"I basically decided that I think I can do it better," McIntosh said.

Last week, I spoke with Seth Hurwitz, who co-owns the 9:30 Club and I.M.P., a promotions agency that has booked shows at Sonar for years. Hurwitz sounded a little uncertain about his future with Sonar.

"I'm not sure where we're lined up there," he said. "Right now, we're doing shows at Sonar."

[Roach]

Honestly this is just funny. At the end of the day the top notch talent That ultraworld and Steez Promo books knows me personally and are not willing to work with anyone else but maybe LG.

Most of the dj's we book have become personal friends / associates and we book them most of the time over the phone and then through their respective agents.

If you think anyone is going to step in and bring the level of events such as any of the 100's of UW events we threw at the venue as well as Drinko De mayo. POTD. Turn Back The Clock and so fourth then you have another think coming.

POTD is happening in baltimore and we are booking it
Turn Back the clock is already tentatively confirmed at a new 2 room venue.
We have also been offered serious DNB events but because of the fact that we are still in between decisions on where to place the edm we have not been able to confirm these events.

These events that we dont book are not then turned over to Sonar. Someone at the venue would need the knowledge and know how to bring them there and then they would have to fight my history and my relationships to get them away from me.

Thats pretty much how its going to work.


Wow.


That's pretty goddamn conceited.

Go ahead with your bad ass selves. I was GOING to give you the benefit of the doubt and support you and your new ventures, but with comments like:
"Someone at the venue would need the knowledge and know how to bring them there and then they would have to fight my history and my relationships to get them away from me. "
...I have reconsidered.


You have been displaying incredible malice and unprofessionalism. I would think that STEELZ would yes, want to continue doing great business ELSEWHERE WITHOUT having to shit upon the organization that springboarded it/you to where you are. Disagreements happen, business alignments split, but I hate to see previously allided factions burning bridges, causing divides b/w the fans of the music & the clubs and starting scene "wars".

I wish you guys success, don't get me wrong.

But as a fan of the venue itslef, I hope the next person in there tears the ever-lovin' ROOF off that place with the talent & schedule he/she/it brings in.

That's my worthless $.02.

[| Bass Drop |]

Wow.


That's pretty goddamn conceited.

Go ahead with your bad ass selves. I was GOING to give you the benefit of the doubt and support you and your new ventures, but with comments like:
"Someone at the venue would need the knowledge and know how to bring them there and then they would have to fight my history and my relationships to get them away from me. "
...I have reconsidered.


You have been displaying incredible malice and unprofessionalism. I would think that STEELZ would yes, want to continue doing great business ELSEWHERE WITHOUT having to shit upon the organization that springboarded it/you to where you are. Disagreements happen, business alignments split, but I hate to see previously allided factions burning bridges, causing divides b/w the fans of the music & the clubs and starting scene "wars".

I wish you guys success, don't get me wrong.

But as a fan of the venue itslef, I hope the next person in there tears the ever-lovin' ROOF off that place with the talent & schedule he/she/it brings in.

That's my worthless $.02.


Ummm...should you be telling that to "McIntosh" and not Steez? I mean McIntosh is the one that thinks he/they can do better than Steez/UW ever did.

Promoters work hard to build a rep and to have solid standing with Agents, booking agencies and supporting patrons. So for McIntosh to come in and think he is gonna run shit better than UW/Steez, to me, is conceited.

I think your rooting for the wrong team girlfriend.

[CausedConfusion]

Wow.


That's pretty goddamn conceited.

Go ahead with your bad ass selves. I was GOING to give you the benefit of the doubt and support you and your new ventures, but with comments like:
"Someone at the venue would need the knowledge and know how to bring them there and then they would have to fight my history and my relationships to get them away from me. "
...I have reconsidered.


You have been displaying incredible malice and unprofessionalism. I would think that STEELZ would yes, want to continue doing great business ELSEWHERE WITHOUT having to shit upon the organization that springboarded it/you to where you are. Disagreements happen, business alignments split, but I hate to see previously allided factions burning bridges, causing divides b/w the fans of the music & the clubs and starting scene "wars".

I wish you guys success, don't get me wrong.

But as a fan of the venue itslef, I hope the next person in there tears the ever-lovin' ROOF off that place with the talent & schedule he/she/it brings in.

That's my worthless $.02.

The organization that spring boarded steez promo was Ultraworld and Sonar (under Lonnie). The organization that time and time again saved Sonar in '06 and a good part of '07 was Steez Promo and the events created by myself and Steve. The sheer fact is, Sonar can't continue to produce the events that we've established at that venue over the last 5 years without us.

[Roach]

The sheer fact is, Sonar can't continue to produce the events that we've established at that venue over the last 5 years without us.


Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I know you guys have worked hard.

With that last sentiment, however, I completely disagree.



Ummm...should you be telling that to "McIntosh" and not Steez? I mean McIntosh is the one that thinks he/they can do better than Steez/UW ever did.

I think your rooting for the wrong team girlfriend.



I refuse to take "SIDES" - that's my whole point. I think STEEZ should approach the opportunity of being on their own to prove themselves as a new independent entity (pardon the pun) WITHOUT trashing their replacement. The replacement - whomever that may be...I have no idea nor do I know - should be given equal opportunity to prove THEMSELVES at the venue without having to step into a shit storm of ill-will. OF COURSE some1 new is gonna say they can do a better job - that's their angle and their goal. I say, sit back and SEE what happens...then throw your darts and arrows if it is warranted.

[CausedConfusion]

I refuse to take "SIDES" - that's my whole point. I think STEEZ should approach the opportunity of being on their own to prove themselves as a new independent entity (pardon the pun) WITHOUT trashing their replacement. The replacement - whomever that may be...I have no idea nor do I know - should be given equal opportunity to prove THEMSELVES at the venue without having to step into a shit storm of ill-will. .

What was being said was, that history and the relationships that we have with these acts and these agents is not going to stop just because we're at a different venue. POTD isn't just going to happen at Sonar because we put them there every time they were in town. They're going to follow us to another venue.

Also, knowing who the replacement is, while he does have a lot more knowledge on the indie rock scene and some other musical genres, he certainly has no where near the knowledge and experience with EDM as compared to his predecessors, us. Therefore the statements made are true in the sense that events on the level of Turn Back the Clock and Drinko De Mayo aren't just going to happen at the venue like they did in the past, because thats not how things in this industry work.

When buzz got shut out of nation that first time I don't think nation could have stepped in and produced events at the level that buzz produced their events. Its just not feasible with out the experience, history, and relationships.

[CausedConfusion]

Nobody is throwing darts or arrows at the new person booking the venue. We are just stating the facts about how things in this industry work. The owner thinks he can do a better job and we wish him luck with that. Its hard to establish new relationships and history when someone already has history and relationships with the same artists.

LG had a lot of history and relationships with artists through Ultraworld and Sonar and as soon as he had his own room, i.e. Mosaic, you didn't see those artists at Sonar anymore.

[eric m]

i dunno. sounds like they are taking it in a different direction. to me, it doesnt sound like you guys will have to fight sonar over potd, or any other edm act.

good luck moving forward.

[CausedConfusion]

i dunno. sounds like they are taking it in a different direction. to me, it doesnt sound like you guys will have to fight sonar over potd, or any other edm act.

good luck moving forward.

I definitely think you're right. One quote from the owner/new person booking at the venue in a meeting was something to the effect of making the venue more rock n roll, but I've also heard other things related to them trying to continue the dance events at the caliber that they had been at.